glues a bead, threads a thread, and this is only one petal of one flower, and there are also stamens, more fabric flowers that go behind, all this is painted, decorated with aerosols, it’s just a work of art, so you had a very beautiful costume, and apparently, it’s really worth spending so much time, if morusya and i remembered, i also understood what we were talking about, and what’s your favorite costume, right? yes, yes, yes, but in fact, recently i opened the closet and started sorting through dresses, which i performed, and i looked, i think, most of the dresses are simply incredibly beautiful, yes, that is, somehow in the moment you put it on, you go out, you don’t think about it, and then after a year you realize that it’s just, well, that’s the luxury i have here, yes, yes, in general, dialogue with the whole country. dialogue with everyone.

results of the year with vladimir putin on december 14 at 12:00 moscow time. this is not liking sports, blogging, cinema and of course fashion. we are discussing all this today with evgenia medvedeva and your marusya. which ones designers, if you imagine hypothetically that you would now need to order a suit for a performance. which designer would you order from today? we have special costume designers for figure skating, well, they’ve already made costumes for you, is there anyone new? well, who's new? we are all trusted people, i’ve only had one sewing for years, well, maybe someone famous scooter designer? you know, other skaters experimented with what to take, for example, to sew a dress.

i think akhmadulina sewed there for lenka radionova someone made it at yudashkin’s, it turns out beautifully , but not functionally, that is, they are uncomfortable to skate with, i always really liked vera voong’s costumes, and by the way, they made olympic costumes for olympic champion nathan chen, but it’s just like that green turtleneck. she also made a very beautiful blue velvet dress for the american figure skater, michelle conan, well, they do it on request, it’s important for me that the costume is fancy, has a lot of stones, but at the same time is very light, because i need to jump, that is , i have a maximum of two layers of mesh, so that nothing shows through anywhere, that is, in two layers of mesh, a beige and... and a colored mesh

is placed on top to cover it, here are the stones, the pattern , that’s all, that is, the costume weighs a maximum of 300-350 grams, god forbid the skirt is a little heavier, it immediately starts chattering in the air like this, there were stories when the costumes became really unhappy and ruined the whole performance of the french figure skater, gabriela damn, i remember that unlucky surname, her dress began to fall down during you. it came unhooked , and it turned out very strange, in short, she had a clasp on her neck, yeah, and we always make hooks, that is, it turns out that the loop is a hook, and the bottom one is in the other direction, that is, so that in no way at all side , she had these six hooks, that is, here, here, there, here, there, here, they somehow came undone at the olympics, she was very worried, but these are exactly the same guys who for the next one

the olympics 4 years later came out entirely in bordovoye, skated the program and won the olympic games. they realized that it was better to have a laconic suit, where nothing would get caught, everything would get caught. well, by the way, fabrics are of great importance, because the specific thing here is that the suit should be comfortable. a very popular material in figure skating is beflex, matte, glossy, it doesn’t matter. no, for me, it doesn’t stretch or whatever, it stretches, it’s tight and restricts movement very much, that is, i need a mesh so that the skin can breathe, so that it stretches comfortably, and a shawl skirt , which is not felt at all, not during rotation , during jumping, it still develops beautifully, this is how it adds lightness, there is a point that some colors are prohibited, there is no such thing as not to blend in with the ice, for example , no

, everyone is skating, why it can be very beautiful , if you play there, i heard that the shade of the dress is somehow white, if they choose it very strictly, there is no such thing, no, no, there is no such thing , there is no such thing, well, of course , super naked is not welcome, that is, if there put on a beige net and cover it with stones, and sprinkle stones on it, yes, no, someone had those, no, well, they did, this was later discussed very much and somehow, you also said such a phrase that modest suits are not welcome, but what else is not welcomed by the judges? it is forbidden by our rules to have detachable elements, that is, for example, if we... want to take off a glove there, we are not allowed to do this, why? because this is a theatrical element, if we want to ride with a hat, we can’t wear hats, that is, i’m small when was, i skated charlie chaplin , i was very little, i was 10, 11 years old, i had

this hat on a pin, i was leaving a performance, it was in my ratings in the results of the rental, it’s probably because you forgot to put on a mustache, no, it’s because i had a hat on my head, all sorts of little tiaras, maybe some kind of shiny hairpin, which, well, if you fill it with varnish and sew it to the head with threads, but if it’s voluminous, that is, if it reads like it’s a hat, it’s impossible, but what the audience loves, that’s what the audience loves, it seems to me that the audience loves showiness , of course, well, the idea with charlie chaplin is amazing, well, you can’t, you can’t wear a hat, i didn’t tell you that in japan they remembered it, they loved it, now they associate it only with sailor, but you love anime, yes this there was a demonstration performance, like at

demonstrations you can do whatever you want, well, look, the whole audience did it and remembered it, knowing that your friend zhenya loves anime, you decided to introduce a little anime today. how do you feel about the comfort of clothes? i love it, i love it very much, who sits in shorts, now, i ’ll come to this point now, i adore comfort, and most of my life was spent in sweatpants, jeans, some oversized sneakers, just so that i wouldn’t be seen. no one is warm, cozy, you know , under the blanket, but now i realized that i still need to get out of my comfort zone a little, firstly, i’m a girl, and first of all i need to remind myself of this, so here i am i started wearing skirts more often, i don’t know,

corsets, well, that is, i want to be feminine, well, with age, it is necessarily uncomfortable, but femininity can be comfortable, it seems to me that history has developed that way, that it is feminine. equally as uncomfortable as the history of louboutin shoes, this is because corsets used to make women faint, but now corsets are so comfortable, they are so stretchy and yes, it actually stretches for me, it fits my figure, i can hear it , everything is great, that’s it, we ’re calm, but it seems to me that sport-chic just came into our lives because people wanted some kind of convenience, and that’s very cool, sports items now fit very organically into the mix, but how are things going with this sporty chic style? how often do you use elements in your wardrobe ? how comfortable is it for you? let's take a hoodie, it's a universal thing, wonderful , i don't know, no matter who you look at now, everyone always

wears a hoodie, but this is a sport, this is a sports thing, initially, and how do hoodies go well with skirts, yeah, especially now, now in general chic and something else, but i also wanted to say about the gaiter that the gaiter skirt is worse and i love some kind of platform shoes and sneakers in general, i love sneakers, that is, you love sneakers, hoodies, you love sportswear, i love just that, right now my simple love is cashmere suits, cashmere - terribly capricious material, terribly capricious fabric, i bought so many things, that is, i get such a kick out of cashmere and then i take off my cashmere sweater, it’s all in pellets, and i take a special brush, sit here and comb it out in the evenings, how she loves this one

, i love you very much, well, when mash is not an animal, you just described him like this, you ’re talking to him, zhen, you didn’t forget about your dogs with him, no, you didn’t, i also feel the same about them. this is a brush, what breed, french bulldogs, i have, but what about scratching a french bulldog, you can use these, on the sofa you can clearly see everything that can be combed. how is your relationship with sneakers? the most comfortable shoes, well , sneakers and sneakers, sneakers are not so comfortable, plus, but sneakers are cold in winter, sneakers yes, but if you wear three pairs of wool socks, you don’t notice, and now there are winter ones sneakers, on top, yes, now everything is completely in order, smear, but still, now everyone has switched to uga, ugi - these are not sports, these are just sports, because they came. to us from australian surfers, yes, they, yes, because

the water in the ocean is cold, when they get out of the water, they are cool, they always put on their ugs, so initially those ugs that had just appeared, and reached our russian winter, everyone broke their legs in them, because their soles were not suitable for ice and snow, they they were designed to only be worn on sand, but now they naturally make such a sole. yes, so that it doesn’t slip, and before there was a very kola thing about the soles , i just have two masawas this winter, i have cashmere suits and all kinds of ugas with very high soles, with elastic on the heels, they are all so fluffy, very warm, very comfortable, tell us how to combine sporty chic and femininity with jewelry, accessories, of course, but what can you wear uggs with? wear oogi with dresses, oogi with leggings - this is now a skirt with a short

skirt, you can have high leggings, you can have low knitted leggings, high leggings, and it’s cool to have long leggings that straighten up and you can pull them on so that it’s warm, and then you can bundle them up like that, they’re so very cool, my leggings recently saved me, i was wearing jeans , high boots, leggings, well , i put on the leggings just for beauty on top, so i ’m like this: i’m cold, i just pulled them on, that’s it, in general, complete comfort, this is not a lymshete, sports, blogging , cinema and of course, fashion, all this today we are discussing with evgenia medvedeva and your marusya how you generally select things for events, for going out, zhenya said that she used the services of a stylist at the premiere, is this always the case? i ’ve been doing a lot of filming lately, for which i always have some kind of specifications for clothes

, no, for filming, of course, but for myself, for life, no, for myself i have quite a bit, but a small capsule of my things that i i wear, and i try to wear those things that i take, i put them on, and i love them, then i like it, i’m comfortable, i feel it right, now there will be a story about something else, well, something like that, that is, the thing should evoke some kind of emotion in me, that i ’m looking at it, i’m holding it and i i really like it, i just can’t, and every thing i have has to be like this, that is, i can’t afford it - well, purely humanly, i ’ll feel sorry for myself if my wardrobe is filled with all sorts of different things for filming that aren’t bring me no emotions, these are the emotions, by the way, these are the things that we see? in the film medvedevo vs. medvedeva, what things evoke such vivid emotions in you? well, the costumes in which i competed

, of course, but some are special, well , special, i really like the dress of my olympic short program, i have the milky way laid out with stones right on the costume , it’s very beautiful, remember, but there are such jumpers here, it’s also very it’s beautiful, there are a lot of stones that sparkle in the light, and it sparkles beautifully, if it sparkles, it means it’s beautiful, together with the designers, based on the program, we came up with this outfit, i was completely it doesn’t matter what to skate in, it was the trainer and the designer who came up with it, and i went to skate in it, and by the way, the creation of a costume happens, first a number is invented or music is selected, first the music is chosen, then the program is put on, then lastly the costume is sewn, and sometimes such that you have to redo something , oh, yes, for example, the bride doesn’t like her dress for the wedding, she will wear it or will remake it, of course, she will... remake it, and there you go to the world cup when you go out, you don’t know, you’ll get in again

for one world championship or not, brides have a lot of signs, by the way, but do figure skaters have signs? i don’t have it, but for others, some people fly only with their right foot, they touch the distance, like communication, well, lyoshka yagudin kissed the ice with us, well, after he won the olympics, marus, tell me how you collect your wardrobe, do you use the service? stylist, no, i’ll repeat, i ’m getting ready myself, although i used to often use the services of a stylist because i didn’t fully understand what and how, but i always...' dissatisfied, i didn’t understand what the problem was, but i was dissatisfied, they brought me a bunch of things, i measured, measured, measured, i understood that i didn’t like it, there was something missing here, something was missing here, and then i just got disappointed and started going through my wardrobe, i realized that i have a lot of clothes that i bought, wore once, never touched them again, i realized that i

can improve them, make them the way i want, i often sit i look at some... i get inspired by the same fashion houses, and just i adapt it all to myself, or it happens that i see some thing, i like it very much, but as if i could make it myself, rather than give a very large sum of money, i ordered myself a table, a chair, everything is worth it at home, everything is so littered, i just show up, there’s almost a sewing machine. this is a needle and thread, no, well, of course, wait, but this is how many fashion houses started, do you have something like that in your plans? in general there is, but for the distant future, i’m not sure of this yet, i’m only on the way, firstly, i want to completely understand myself, specifically , what i want and how i want it, for now i’m just doing everything for myself, but i

give jewelry to the guys, so i saw, by the way, i watched how you make jewelry, and what else do you have there is. which you make yourself, the same story , i saw the bag, i really wanted it, i realized that the price was not justified, i ordered less material than the cost of this bag and i did it all myself, and i do it until i get it perfect , well, this is a very cool hobby, because firstly, it psychotherapeutic, yeah, secondly , it can become commercial, that’s true, that ’s true, thirdly, despite any difficulties, you can always... dress yourself up, some exclusive things that no one else will have, yes, i decorated a jacket for myself for katya adushkina’s performance, i had to wear white there, i had a white dress, but i didn’t feel completely comfortable and i had a jacket, but it was black, and i made it under it small bows all over the jacket, i glued them on,

quickly, effectively and efficiently, you’re okay you don’t make a woman with your own hands, i sculpt from clay. dishes and then eat from them, and you sculpt from clay, well, that means you do something with your own hands, i have a muffle oven at home for baking clay, hello, mash, come, i see your friend doesn’t know , what is your hobby, she just appeared now, not a friend, so you’ve already made a vase, three cups, four plates, two spoons, so this is a whole set? girls, you already have a whole store you can open, jewelry, bags, dishes, a very interesting feature of zhenya, the fact that a figure skater who is allergic is to artificial ice, to artificial ice , a person skates and snot, because it is chemical, there is a chemical reaction of evaporation,

but the gas that evaporates, it can cause allergies, in most cases... .all skaters have this allergy and that’s why we are all the time, and it’s harmful to health, but no, well, for real’s sake, that ’s what the coaches tell you, it’s not nonsense , it’s normal, zhenya, tell me, we probably have most of the viewers, of course, haven’t seen the film that was released yet, tell me, what the viewer will still see in this film, the viewer will see my sports path, and since childhood, the most interesting thing is that there are a lot of shots. i was very small, we found a huge film camera, we found, wow, such a healthy one, it was still broken, and it was repaired, then it was digitized, and many of the frames that were included in the film, i myself saw for the first time in my life, my grandmother is holding i’m very little, not yet able to walk in my arms, i

haven’t seen this, but your first steps on the ice are also there, no, there’s no such thing, probably, if my mother would have raised an olympic champion, for example, or a five-time world champion, a six-time european champion, then she would probably have filmed my first steps, but my mother was a figure skater, she just put me on the ice, go, go , when i was 2 and a half years old, these are the skates, like this, that is, you were accompanied by a film crew, and i was accompanied by a film crew of several... people, very taxi guys, i’m very grateful that it didn’t turn into in a reality show that the requests were taken into account, well, i’m sensitive there. the person is very emotional, and it is also important for me that they don’t film me from around the corner in a fit of hysterics, well, i would simply take it personally and i

would feel bad, well, that is, they did not violate the boundaries, despite the fact , that they followed you all over, yes, probably, probably, the audience would be interested in seeing the whole range of my emotions, it’s in any case, yes, but still, as a more introverted person, i... believe that there are things that should be on the screen and there are things that should remain behind the screen, well, tell me what else will be exclusive, the viewer has never seen me in comparison with themselves, the viewer knows zhenya medvedeva, who, well, shot a video, shot an advertisement, that’s something -i won , yes, that is, well, the performances, the viewer sees, sees, sees, sees, medvedev, but the viewer does not see the person, in the film this is very clearly noticeable and i even noted that it is noticeable how differently i began to speak , that is, how much my diction

has changed over time, how i am in sports i was talking like this, it’s generally unclear what i’m saying, i got into the media, my voice is structured differently, how much more open and calm i have become over time, zhenya, i congratulate you on the premiere, thank you very much, i’m sure that this film will be useful not only for beginner athletes , but for all spectators, because who else but you can talk about how to develop your character, how to train, how to prepare yourself for difficult situations and how to always make the right choice and not stop at the most seemingly fantastic achievements, thank you for your friendship, lord, mi-mi-mi, life has been brought together, life has been brought together, right? thank you, thank you, yes, thank you , i think we have fully motivated you today to play sports and upgrade your style, watch nelykomye and the lab podcast, all episodes on

the former’s website. this podcast is a must read. i am aglaya nabatnikov, to discuss the mystical novel master margarita by mikhail bulgakov, i invited today sonya egorova, an esotericist , and alexei kolobrodov, a writer, literary critic. sonya, yes, eight times you read this novel, and every time there was something new, and every time there was something new, and every time the feeling that i was reading a different work, and every time some phrase, sentence, paragraph, and i found there something different, some other meaning, some other depth, and every time i feel it differently when i read it, and every time it affects me differently.

lyosha, i have a question: how did it happen that the author of white guard, notes of a young doctor, became a star due to a mystical novel about evil spirits, there is nuances, as always, but that’s because bulgakov became a star as a playwright, after all, in soviet russia. year, when the days of the turbens were first staged, well, this is actually the white guard only in the form of a play, yes, in a dramatic version, and there are differences, they, yes, yes, yes, it was deafening, it was scandalous, it was incredible , this, this was in the media, in modern terms, yes, that is, it was as if bulgakov really woke up famous, because the white guard was published in a russian magazine in full version, here it is at that time, which is amazing, in general, they haven’t read the play... well, the moscow art theater, it’s like, this, this is theater number one, this is all of moscow, this is an endless number of productions, this is scandal , these are attempts to ban, this is all the revolutionary

phraseology, all the ideological sharpness, it is absolutely, this is not even the thirties, these are the twenties, this is all very radical, this is all very radically revolutionary, suddenly a play comes out that, well, i won’t say, glorifies, but objectively shows yesterday’s, and maybe also today's enemies. and of course, this is terribly scandalous, this is terribly cool, and naturally, the author is doomed to become famous, but nevertheless, master margarita is still a different kind of fame, yes, come on, master margarita pulled buugakov’s prose writer like a locomotive, when it was published, that means, in the eleventh issue of the moscow magazine in sixty-six, then in sixty-seven, the publication continued, by the way, contrary to popular belief, i read and looked through and even compared texts , did a little textual criticism, this... it is believed that with large bills, this is the first soviet edition, the sixties moscow magazine, but no, no, not especially, practically then the magazine came to the soviet reader in an authentic form, then

book editions came... publications invariably in acute shortage in soviet times , but quite numerous, wait, the novel immediately blew up, yes, it absolutely blew up right away, absolutely, absolutely, i just know people for whom it was just something incredible and bulgakov immediately came as a prose writer, white was published guard in the new world, that is, in fact, you want to say that before the master margarita , bulgakov was not popular as a prose writer, that is, he was, well, conditionally by modern standards, well, a screenwriter, yes, he is, well, well, one might say, a famous playwright, a famous playwright, that is, this is the intelligentsia, the elite , the theater public, the cinema audience knew that there was such a great playwright, most of the plays, who were never staged, but who was an absolute genius who also had some kind of prose, this one some prose came and simply changed the absolutely literary situation, the life of the country, the worldview of people, sleepyhead, do you think it was the appeal that mattered.

to this topic for, let’s say, popularity for the name of this author, of course, firstly, pulgakov did not come up with anything from what he wrote there, for people who are engaged, well, people of my profession, this is not just a great novel, it manual, this is the most fundamental - a book about magic, that is , if you want to understand how everything works, read master margarita, seriously, this is it really a textbook on understanding the processes of the universe? he didn’t come up with anything there , didn’t invent anything, people who are given this level of talent from above, they somehow apparently just broadcast it, that is, he just wrote down something that he knew, that he knew, that somehow went through him, he rewrote it many times , there was a lot of torment on this topic, yes, and the novel was difficult to publish, all these difficulties were also for a reason, but as far as i know,

when he was dying just before his death... he asked elena sergeevna to bring manuscript, pressed it to her chest and said: so that they know, then it was important for him that what was there , for people to know, yeah, whether he meant just this literary work, or whether he meant the depth that he put there and that understanding, it’s not very clear, but absolutely exactly, it’s not, it’s just something written like that, something about satan, at that moment it exploded, because well, those were the times, lyosha, you should know the situation with the novel, so i’m an attentive reader and a big fan of bulgakov , i know that the theatrical novel describes a situation about how a writer writes a novel, then he disappears, he has a meeting with the devil, and absolutely the same motive is in the master margarita, at some point the master burns the manuscript, yes,

but then the devil returns this manuscript to him. this is related to the real story of the novel. did bulgakov’s romance really disappear and was restored due to some mystical power, or what is even behind it? obviously the person was very worried about this rather in history. the first story, well, bugakov is simple, it’s just that for him nikolai vasilyevich gogol was absolute, as if literary a beacon, a monument, an example to follow and simply an incomprehensible example of genius. that’s why the story of the burning of the second volume of dead souls, of course, bulgakov, as he naturally knew, worried him, the second such earthly story connected with the special services, because in the twenty-fifth year bulgakov himself had his diaries confiscated from his property by the gpu, then yes , so after this famous, that means, telephone call with stalin in 1930, the diaries were returned, which is amazing, as if usually, as if

went there, listen, well , this is really the level of mephistopheles, that is , if due to stalin’s call this problem was solved, from the stalinist context the novel, and there is one, of course, we will talk about it , so it seems to me that these two stories are missing, returned in a mystical way, yes, the special services are always some kind of mysticism, some kind of secret doctrine, so, of course, bulgakov was extremely worried about this story, and then the history of the creation itself. novel, here, which, in fact, the first manuscripts of which date back to the twenty -ninth year, he was then called a consultant with a hoof, so in general, well, yes, woland calls himself a consultant, a consultant, i generally know all these editorial offices roughly, but in principle there are about five of them, these are where, where where there are textual, plot, plot differences,

and accordingly, of course, this is also a very serious story of finding the final text, because , strictly speaking, we didn’t have the final text, in the literary sense, we had different reactions. we had manuscripts , the last text , the last final, final manuscript was introduced to us by elena sergeevna bugakova, that ’s what we have, we have mikhailovich, if not a co-author, then a very serious, very talented, very very serious editor, yes i do i understand that margarita is based on elena sergeevna, where margarita leaves her rich husband for a writer, that the story is, rather, some kind of external biographical outline, but because... margarita in her in her seems to be like this relaxedness, some kind of sexuality can be seen there in the second wife, lyubov evgenievna belozerskaya, there seems to be such a generalized image, but the external convoy is definitely elena sergeevna, and sonya, but there is

a connection, but the image of margarita has the story of elena sergeevna, in your opinion? in my opinion, yes, but again, margarita is not just her image, but elena sergeevna, it’s more like that. her features, which he also endowed with this witchy inside, but a witch is not, it is impossible for her to become, she can only to be born, a witch is not always the one who sold her soul to the devil, and this is not about that, a witch is simply knowledgeable, knowledgeable, this is wisdom, this is depth, this is strength, power, just internal, and this is a given, yes, a little more, roughly speaking, energy than most people, he probably considered a witch in the good sense of the word, because she was such a support for him, i would like to support, support sonya in the sense that elena sergeevna, of course, of course, had a certain very little, at least she could choose the men of your life, yes, because

this is a very serious story, yes, the fact is that michal afanasvich’s third marriage is her third marriage, that’s because her last name, her first husband was none other than an officer, first, first an officer of the imperial army, then a red officer, yuri nielov, who was the son for a moment, famous at that time, maybe the main superstar in the scenes, an actor so mamondalian, who later became such a showman of anarchism, and also a large figure, then, actually, evgeny shivovsky, the red general, yes , who, amazingly, being close to everyone there to the entire military elite who suffered in the repression, did not suffer from them during the years of great terror, and the great patriotic war, in general, was a major military leader, but less is known after bulgakov history, loyalty, so to speak , elena sergeevna did not bury the deceased, she

had an affair with alexander fodeev, the terrible war year of forty-one, and everything is fine with them and even, even on this occasion , a resolution of the central committee and a personal rebuke were issued comrade stalin, fodeev , fodeev, by the way, with bulgakov, this is an important person for bulgakov and it seems to me, even in the image of the great caesar, yes, who is mentioned in the novel, i personally, purely intuitively , trace precisely the image of this time and the significance of this figure , including terrible significance, yes, because there is a discourse there... executions, well, i mean in the novel, yes, i’m talking now about pontius pilate, about that fragment where they talk about caesar, about what a word spoken against caesar is a forced execution, no, of course, the main one

the addressee of the novel, comrade stalin, to whom bulgakov has an interest and gratitude for the famous telephone conversation, years ago, and how a conservative statist sees in him... the man who revived the russia that bulgakov remembers and loved, in fact revived the empire , yes, that is , this is a huge fusion of respect, interest, fear and the desire to mark the symphony of the artist and the tsar, but why then in romagna, woland came to moscow, why doesn’t he go to stalin, why does he hang out with some workers of the variety show, varenukh administrators, some adelfin buzdyak, some literary people, this is all quite funny, but where, in addition to the fact that stalin is the addressee, this is also a character in the novel, moreover, in the penultimate edition, when vovant’s whole team flies away from moscow , there is also this famous phrase

when vovant says, all matters are left here, now he can handle it, it seems to me that woland is also some kind of personification of stalin, as far as i know, bulgakov was critical of the power of the bolsheviks and even was. there's a beep in the newspaper, where he worked, ilf and petrov, they laughed at him, saying that we expect from misha that he will support the revolution at a time when he has not yet come to terms with the abolition of serfdom, yes, he is, but bulgakov shared, and this is very an important moment for understanding both bulgakov and his work, bulgakov shared the power of the bolsheviks and comrade stalin, for him this is like a fundamental moment, stalin is a man who revives the empire, he is an absolutely conservative man with statist aspirations, who all this vulgar bolshevik phraseology, all this whole revolutionary spirit was essentially destroyed in the thirties, yes, and the bolsheviks, well, these are some kind of wonders, they are running back there, that is, like woland and voonder - these are completely different

stories, yes, if in volenda stalin seemed to be embodied for him, then in shvoonder it’s more like this trotsky-like whole this ultra-revolutionary public, this podcast is a must-read, i’m ogladnikova, my guest today is sonya egorova, esotericist and alexey kolobrodov, writer, literary critic, we are discussing the novel by the master margarita mihai. sonya , please tell us about volenda’s retinue , what kind of characters they are, why exactly they are, that is, there is a cat, a hippopotamus, there is azazella, there is a cow, which is also called a bassoon, and there is gella, and a naked, red-haired, green-eyed, in general, beautiful, assistant, i should probably start with the fact that i don’t agree with the fact that bulgakov sees stalin in woland, this is a volant, he is

quite understandable there, quite concrete, another question is what he is, why he is like that, and this probably the strangest thing for people who read this novel is why a novel about satan, where satan himself and his retinue evoke sympathy, and how is this even possible, and not all these random characters, for a reason, they have such names. azazel , in fact, his name is azazel, this is a completely existing demon that exists, you can practically touch him, but it’s better not to, and he taught people to shoot, he gave people weapons, a rather difficult and harsh character, widely known, let’s say, in narrow esoteric circles, but the majority prefers it don't come close. he is quite

, well, an evil character, so to speak, he taught women seduction, so he gives margarita the cream, not by chance, and as we remember, it can hit any heart from a weapon, yes, any ventricle, from any distance, and margarita admires this, by the way, and margarita admires this, so this is not some made-up character, this is a completely existing person, a hippopotamus, which we see in the form of a cat, in fact he has the head of an elephant, and i think that’s exactly what’s going on here. cat, it was like that rather for beauty, as far as i know bulgakov, there was a cat in the house, from which he copied a hippopotamus, a big black cat that he really liked, and i think that this was done simply to decorate this picture a little, but this the demon of gluttony, and we see how the hippopotamus is doing a great job there, he eats something all the time, yes, so here yes, he generally feels good, such a joker and a cheerful guy, and of course he also causes this directly

warmth, when you read, you don’t have any thoughts, something is wrong here, he is cute, of course, very, very cute, although in reality, well, everything is not so cute, and several times we can hear how woland addresses him dear bassoon, bassoon is a demon of the wind, what is the function of the demon of the wind, in general - then even now in our time , out of all this... here company, he is the most, well, let's say, well-known, to whom practitioners turn in one way or another, in order to throw off illness to the wind, to call some person to themselves, -to arrange something, to destroy something, to create something, well, that is, it’s the wind, yes, figuratively speaking, this is a movement, yes, this is a movement, and he is very cheerful, loves to tease, well, we understand, yes, that they all have an intellect above human, this is such a fierce movement, some kind of constant step - his constant normal state,

despite the fact that he is quite dangerous, but when we read the novel, we understand that they are, well , cool guys, what’s wrong, the only moment when it’s funny, yes, the only moment when - with people usually there is a feeling that somehow not everything is so simple, for me too, it arose once upon a time, when i read this novel for the first time, when the master and margarita sazazela are already getting on their horses, they already have to leave, yes, some woman sees them trying to cross herself, and the zazala screams at her, i’m cutting my hand, then it becomes clear that when the cross . it’s unpleasant for him, to put it simply, i now have the thought that maybe bulgakov even emphasizes this atheistic state of society, because the novel begins with valei’s scene, where two atheists, relatively speaking , convince volend that christ never existed, and that the paradox is that the devil convinces

two atheists that god exists, exists, the fact is that at that moment it’s like the thirties, but it’s already... yes, several spiritual generations, yes, well, here it must be emphasized that bulgakov is from popovich, not just popovich, his father is a teacher at the theological academy, that is, this is a deep theological education and teaching, well, that’s what sonya says, that bulgakov understands the laws of the universe very well, this is also transmitted , thirties, having gone through all the trials of the century and in in general, as if in his own spiritual development, well, one cannot call mikhail afanavich an orthodox christian. orthodox , so, but he is certainly a traditionalist, and as if for him, rather, in this novel , tradition is very important, when tradition, well, one of the paradoxes, when tradition, yes, is protected by demons, easily fits his idea of ​​the world. bulgakov, it turns out, sympathizes with woland, yes, who laughs

at this stupid society, soviet, yes, at these women who... for new they run out onto the stage with their clothes, yes, then everyone turns out to be naked, well, that is , all this funny magic in the form of tricks, yes , let’s say, some kind of a little circus magic, it is connected with the fact that he makes fun of these people, he hates the soviet man in the street, but he hates all this mythology that has grown up around nepo’s life, this kind of consumption of these citizens, on money, on things, on apartments. so in general it seems certain that the revolution, which he deeply does not accept, is his, his probably, it kind of prompted him to think, well , something terrible and grandiose is going to happen, it ’s like the end of the world for him, like this one, as he wrote about the moonshine lake, about this typhus that was mowing down, and about about

the fact that equally red and white fighters go to heaven, this is in the white guard, since then there are terrible global metaphysical pictures, suddenly? life has become even shallower than what it was, even more vulgar, even more insignificant, of course, this man in the street, these building managers, these colsons, all these citizens in berets, all these restaurant snacks, he ’s terrible, the worst thing is these literary critics, who clearly interfered with bulgakov’s own life, there’s this critic latunsky, whose apartment is naked margarita, and smashes it with a hammer, that is, why, personally, was he poisoned life, seriously, but now it looks somehow petty, of course, unworthy , the level of the bulgaks, well, unworthy of such a genius, not worthy of such a plan, not worthy of such metaphysical breakthroughs of goethe, and then suddenly , these are some kind of church performances, of course, this is exactly, this

is exactly the kind of situation that causes some bewilderment, if, again , you don’t understand the context of the era, how much they all got it by that time, just here. well , in fact, of course, he probably didn’t feel very well, i even had the feeling that in the image of the master, well, he was essentially talking to himself, it’s clear that this master looks so pathetic, he is sick all the time, whining about how poor he is, how unhappy he is, and looking at margarita, who is having an affair with sexy in some way, uh, it’s clear that the woman is energetic, exceptional , of royal blood, and as woland talks about her, here she is... so madly passionate about this master, who, oh god, what are you talking about, let’s give you headers, in one of the editions, one of the editions directly talks about the transmigration of souls, when she is called queen margot, that is , i mean margarita nava, now i’m not talking about margarita, i want to talk about the master, sleepyhead, why is such a man in the general category c as he appears in the novel,