it’s easy and nothing serious will happen, that’s it, but everything turned out to be completely different, everything turned out to be much more complicated, harder, and of course, the test that the novelist and i faced for our whole family, we... go through it, live it, try to accept it the way it is now, and, of course, this requires great internal strength, and i am very proud of the novel, how it goes through this most difficult path, i don’t know whether you remember or not, but this summer, when i i saw romka for the first time, we first met with you, and you

told me where roma was, and i said, but how to to approach him, and how he is, and you said, you will be surprised, but this is absolutely the same, roma , who was before all this, it was like that right away, or did he still have some period of accepting his new self, well, he still hasn’t fully accepted himself and generally accepted the whole situation, so, but nevertheless he... tries to live, tries to start living his past life, and of course, uh, well, you remember this situation , you approached him, and he is actually the same roma who was before, he has not changed internally, and this is a great happiness for us, for the family and in general for everyone, and for friends, i somehow

relaxed, i realized that it is possible and necessary to live, everything seemed to be much more prosaic somehow for me, or something, because before that, well, i admit honestly, i was even there one moment i was just sobbing at home, and tan calmed me down, he said, why are you crying, and i said, well, i just know how romka loves life, and for me it was also such a drama, so it’s difficult for me to even imagine what ’s going on in the family this moment, and you were the only one... knew from the very beginning, or romina’s mother was also dedicated right away, no, of course they knew, well, as they knew, my mother knew , my brother knew, of course , they practically knew about the consequences that would come from the very beginning, that’s why we went through these moments together, it was very, of course... generally difficult about to think about this

and generally think that this is possible, it’s difficult to imagine that this is possible at all, but as life shows, this is how it happens, unfortunately, well, even in this difficult situation, i believed in every day that it will be better, that there will be some small improvements, small steps forward, and of course now... looking back and you understand that this is actually the way it is, because imagining what was there almost a year ago, and what state roman was in, what state he is in now, this is daily work is an everyday step forward, that is, with two wonderful children you are now also helping romka adapt himself, well, yes, roman himself openly says that i am... uh, a big forty-six-year-old

child, yes, that’s true, but mm, if this, this situation happened, this is, well, uh, i, i’m glad to be there and help, how can i help, in my understanding it can’t be any other way, and you told the children that dad will now be, well, not really... that dad will leave the hospital who were there any of them before? i , of course, i said, in fact, i’m very glad that i said this, because when all these stories in the press began about amputations, not amputations, when this wave began, so to say, here i am... i was 100% convinced that i should

talk to the children first, most of all i of course, i was worried about nastya, because she is older, she is at school. they couldn’t come up and say something, and well, that is, as soon as this wave started, i already gathered the last strength i had, and explained the complexity of the situation and the consequences that dad had, well, at the same time, ilyusha and nastya, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, i didn’t separate them, we sat together, because well , it seems to me that it’s right when... both children, despite their age, nevertheless , they they find out everything at the same time, then not they ask questions, they don’t ask questions, mom , why did you tell me, but didn’t tell me, or why did you tell him that, but she said that, so i said right away, at school, when

they went to school, the teachers were like- then they tried to protect them from these unnecessary questions, no, i often asked the children, they ask something, they say something, no, nastya to me. i always said that no, mom, well, everyone knows that dad is in the hospital, but no one ever asked me anything, didn’t go into details, well, ilyusha is smaller, he is 8 years old there, so it is clear that the children , let’s say, especially in general, i think that at his school they are not aware of what is happening with dad, so, well, the teachers there, it is clear that they are aware, but in strength - their own... how to explain this to professionalism, it’s clear that they won’t ask the child anything there, on the contrary, they only helped there, asked for something there, they need help there or something else, well, that is, with lessons there or something else, i have another question, because i am angelica’s dad, and roma, nastya’s dad,

we have a similar situation, that these are daddy’s daughters absolutely, and how nastya reacted and how it was for her, but how could she? react to the girl of her beloved father, of course, in general, in general , the whole situation was very difficult for her, for both of them , but she’s great, she’s probably like... like me, so i mm, probably inspired myself , first of all, in roma, in the children, the hope that everything will be fine, that is, that we will cope with everything there, that everything will be fine,

dad will cope with everything, and we will cope with everything together, so these ones, she probably came from me i somehow adopted these words, and even when my dad had already left the hospital, well, roman left the hospital. she started saying something there, that it was hard or bad or something else, she, yes, to choke, she, she, of course, experiencing all this inside, she still supported and supports him, and we all support him, so there was no moment when she fell into some kind of deep sadness - she will be 13, that is, she is still basically a child, yes, yes, although she is tall, like her mother, yes, yes, but you are very similar to her, the last one the times we saw each other, it’s just like i’m returning to childhood and seeing you as a child, well, maybe, yes, well, her figure

is exactly mine, mine, her face is a little bit, of course , a mix with dad, so, i want to remind to our tv viewers that oksana domnina and i are practically. age, we are neighboring cities , i am from the city of perem, oksana is from the city of kirov, vyatka, at all children's competitions we of course crossed paths and maybe we were never friends, because boys and girls there are not always friends, but we have known for a long, long, long time each other, yes, come on let's get back to sports, max shabalin, your partner of many years, you have been skating together for so many years, and it seems to me that you are generally the friendliest couple i have ever... in my life, you continue to be friends to this day, just like that , well, i can’t say that we are direct friends, we are friends outside, off the ice, but we treat each other very well, i generally adore maxim, i don’t know how, as a person, as a partner, as well, in general, and

about being friends, yes, it seems to me that in all our time that we were skating, i don’t remember that we argued with him at all. even when we we were arguing, it was like that, for 5 minutes, we went to different corners, that’s it, we came together , we drove on, that is , maxim and i never had any yelling or screaming. hysterical, and somehow we found, without words we found this compromise, well, i want to remind you that oksana domnina paired with maxim shabalin, two-time european champions, world champions, bronze medalists of the olympic games in vancouver in 2010, 2009 was a long time ago , and in general 2009, los angeles, the world championships, yes you are on... lines, then this fight with max’s knee, well, the struggle with the knee

continued, it happened even before this, and well, in fact, this is already our last year before the olympics, this is already maxim’s knee, it seems to me, they held it like a feather in their arms, everyone around and the main thing is to get there and fly to the olympics, in fact... i ’m very happy that we won bronze, because it was all about how we trained, how many operations maxim had, how he got to the olympics practically on one leg , metal artez skated the olympic games, i remember this the locker room, the way we all looked at him , of course it was such a test, in maxim’s life... you only had to support him morally, you

’re just a specialist, a specialist in moral support, maybe some kind of dark humor, but yes , somehow yes , in life this is how it turns out, well, nothing, they took bronze, but you never wanted, maybe, to change your partner and try another olympics, but they offered me with a novel, of course. yes, yes, yes, of course they offered me and roman, and they offered roman, so, but we are sensible people, yes, we we understood that, that is, it was not at the level of rumors, that is, it was downright serious, no, yes, yes, yes, it was, and, but we actually didn’t think for a long time, because we understood that and a wonderful couple, tessourt and scott moyer, they certainly were difficult to fight with at that time, that’s why, and no one would go out and win, well, first

of all, roman certainly didn’t want to, not in the traditions of roman kostamarov, not in traditions of roman kostamarov, he likes to leave gracefully, that’s why he won the olympics, everything, why, and this is correct, in fact. well, for those who have just joined us, let me remind you that this is a free program podcast with oksana domnina as a guest. was it worth it for a little girl from kirov to go to odentsovo for her to have such a bright life, or could she have stayed with her mother? and, of course, it was worth it, of course it was worth it, and not only that, i want to say a huge thank you to my coach in kirov, irina filippovna fedorovykh, for letting me go. how old were you? 14, well, that is, quite already, no, 15, 15, yes,

i was 15, 15 years old, yes, and she let me go, and i’m incredibly grateful to her for that, it’s generally the most, most brilliant thing, it seems to me, that a coach can do when he understands that the athlete needs to be released further, you they are also such an ordinary proletarian family, yes, yes, of course, and how did they let you go, well, mom, of course. i cried there, but they let me go completely calmly, to be honest, i can imagine it now, i don’t understand, i also need to say a huge thank you to this mother for taking me, let me go to moscow, but before there were no phones, nothing, no means of communication , they put everything on a train, they left, how does the girl live there, what happens to her there, in general, yes, that is, i remember that... i went to the post office , called my mother there once a week, there and to

the telegraph office, and wrote some letters there, and then, when i got a telephone, these were the first calls, these ones, here we lived with a girl in a room, and accordingly, here i trained, it was convenient, we walked to the vodintsovo skating rink, excellent conditions, this is basically my global sports career. all the same, you need to eat something, that is , who, who was involved in all this, food, food, well, who studied on their own, who studied, and for you, well, you, in principle, immediately got into the national team, that is, you immediately some. there was money, like salaries or parents after all, well - the first trip, of course, was to moscow, i remember that there my dad sold a gun in order to have something to go with, and then there was some money , but i remember such moments when i walked from the skating rink and realized that i had no money at all, i had nothing at all, nothing

eat at home, and in general i go hungry, cold in winter. that is, there were such moments , of course, but of course, there was a salary, but at that time, of course, it was not enough, but nothing, we achieved something, salaries appeared, yes, but it seems to me that it’s not without reason that they say that a hunting dog must be hungry, and therefore, probably, when we were traveling from our cold cities, for some dream, character, the steel was tempered, probably, and this is 100%, this is 100%, and of course, now even i am there when i look at my people children, yes, mm, i understand that even in our understanding, we still try not to spoil them, yes, but, but, but this is not possible,

we try, it seems like we want, yes, we want to toughen them up. this steel in your children, but in a different way, in different conditions, they grow up, but you understand, it doesn’t matter that they have a different environment, they still have absolutely this, you still sent nastya to sports, that is, she had a choice in general, no, she had no choice, because, as it seems to us, sport builds character very strongly builds character and discipline, but now we understand that no sport is easy, tennis is also a very difficult sport, physically a very difficult sport, it takes such endurance to endure 2-3 hours of this running back and forth behind the ball , sometimes i sit and think, lord, poor child , where did we send her, of course, even

though i’m an athlete, but of course this maternal pity kicks in, nastya, but she still treats school very responsibly somehow manages to get to training she also has time to do her homework and watch tv, so in general, when she tells me: mom, i don’t have time to do anything, i say, nastesh, no, i say, you don’t have time, you, if you didn’t watch tv, but tv you have time to watch, which means you have time to do everything, so, well, in general, the success of mom and dad motivates the daughter to great achievements, and... well, i don’t know, there’s a twofold situation here, yes, well, that is, i think that of course, on the one hand, it may be morally difficult for her, because after all, there, yes, the bar is very high, and of course, on the one hand, she takes an example in terms of working capacity and achieving some

goals, on the other hand, it can be morally difficult, yes, sort of... but we try for it, well, not put pressure, we don’t have a goal there for her to be an olympic champion, all these months when you were forced to be between the hospital and home, who helped with all these school training, who took on this mother’s work. well, roman’s mother took care of herself, she was completely involved in her grandchildren and that’s what she it was necessary, she needed it, the busier she was, the less sad thoughts she had, so my sister helped as much as possible, and

your sister is also in moscow now, my sister, it turns out, has already been living in moscow for two years. .. dentsova is in my apartment, yes, she lives here, works and helps whenever possible, of course, in the most difficult moments, ilya’s nanny came, who, well, now doesn’t live with us all the time, but at least she’s been with us for 7 years already. like a loved one, a family member, she of course, at some, at some moments, if possible, i came there for... weeks to stay with ilya, because anyway, for ilya she is a very close family member and somehow even just to be there when i’m not there , he was also very... very pleased, so , well, anyway, maria nikolaevna orlova, our godmother,

ilyi’s mother, came to help, so she also came when possible and went somewhere with nastya to training, to competitions, well that is, in general, by universal, so to speak, efforts, we, that is, you understand, who are your real friends in figure skating, this is about... also some kind of test, it seems to me, there was, well, in fact, it seems to me that everyone, everyone, all the people we know are those friends , with whom we now communicate and are friends in the world of figure skating, of course, everyone supported, constantly wrote, called, of course, tried not to bother, but nevertheless, they wrote there, how to help, how to help, but of course the very ... the main thing i always asked, i say, well, just with good thoughts and good wishes, everyone’s prayers, because from the point of view there, i already

said this, from the point of view of medicine, of course , everything possible and impossible was done and therefore only with everyone’s... good wishes roman managed, and you, as a professional athlete, can appreciate that this is something a miracle that happened, that this romkin’s character is athletic, professional, that he also played some role here, that it’s not only medicine, not only prayers, well, i’m 100% convinced of this, in fact it’s... .in general, this is like how it is in our sports, but when a couple is acceptable or the athlete wins and competitions

, he’s not the only one who did it, yes, it’s a huge team of people, it’s the same, yes, it’s the coaches , it’s the choreographers, it’s a huge team of people that guides you, so i mean about... now yes, well, the doctors , yes, yes , that is, this is a huge team of people that leads you to, so to speak, the olympic peak, and my opinion is that it’s the same story in the victory over the disease in roma, because , let’s say, if there wasn't one component, yeah, uh, it wouldn't be there strong athletic character, and his strong heart, yes, then none of this would have happened, because even the doctors, there

are professionals in their field, they said, well , no, there is no chance, the only hope is for his strong heart, for his desire, for his struggle , if he, well, his body can’t handle it, but we can’t do anything, or then, when he ’s already there, you’ve got it, yes, that’s also there if it weren’t for his desire and not his athletic body, yes, not his desire, then nothing would have happened either, he would be lying now, let’s say, but maybe he wasn’t lying, we don’t we know, yes, but what is it like to hear that there is no chance, well, i heard it a little later, that is, of course no one told me in the first days that there was no chance, this... i only found out later, when he escaped when his condition had more or less stabilized , only later, and they told me

that there was only one 1% chance that he would survive, out of, well, not even a hundred, well, let’s say out of 100, that’s who the first roma when i came to my senses, i saw me, do you remember this moment? well , it's hard, it's hard to forget this moment, but i was glad that i could be close to him, and for me, of course, every - every day when i came, it was some kind of small step forward, despite his terribly difficult condition, and... i always i believed that he, he would cope, he couldn’t have it any other way, i also suspect

that you... also not like now, well, far, far away, yes, yes, now, of course, we we see the roma we all know, at that moment, of course, it was a completely different picture, but in terms of emotions, this is the main thing yours in life, it’s comparable to the birth of children, i don’t know, to... the podium of the olympic games, at that moment there were no such thoughts about some kind of victory or happiness, to explain it somehow, but then there was this at that moment - some such

thoughts, because the condition was very complex, very difficult, very scary, so, that is, just like a certain step, but there was a moment, yes, yes, yes, that is, it was like this, i was glad that i saw him, but of course thoughts about some kind of victory over the disease, so to speak, they were not. that is, now, probably, we can already say that roma defeated the disease, and this is probably the most important victory in his life, well, for me, in yours, well, this is your victory too, this is why i started our conversation, our conversation, there is always a great

woman behind us, well, life will show whether this will be our common victory, but how, it seems to me, she has already shown everything, well, there is still to come, at least, i tell roman sergeevich ahead, i still say, here are 46, 46 more, a new life has begun, well, yes, born again, born again, yes, on this journey, what happened with... the worst thing for you, yes, everything was scary, it was scary, what our future life would be like, how roma would accept himself as he is now, how.

.. we will cope with all this, how, well , first of all, how can he mentally overcome all this, because well, knowing, knowing how he treats himself, how he is worried about his little finger or worried about something else for me. of course it was a big question in general how how how well how can he it’s all to survive, to move on, to accept yourself , yes, a new one, well, for those who have just joined us, this is a podcast free program, our guest is oksana domnina

, i honestly can barely restrain myself because i don’t understand what a strong person you are, and you don’t say anything words about the bad, that is, i say that it was the worst thing, you expect to hear anything, i was afraid to be alone, i was afraid, i don’t know, to lose a loved one, and you say that i was afraid, like we let's move on, move on together to move on, that is, you didn’t even have any thoughts, it turns out that no, it’s just... such respect, i don’t know, it’s very cool, i don’t know what would have happened if it had been different , let’s say, yes, but in fact, no matter how bad and hard it was, i believed every day that everything would be fine, i don’t know how to explain this feeling, i don’t know how to explain it . i

don’t, i don’t know, i honestly don’t know how to explain it, well, because, probably, it’s some kind of boundless faith in your man, support, love. well that is when he you well, from this very bottom, from the peak, he climbed out, but i don’t know, i have some kind of inner faith that he will cope with everything, it lived in me every day, and even when in the most difficult, complex, generally morally terrible states... was, i still knew that tomorrow would be better, well, looking back, this is actually the case, i will probably say some incontrovertible thing, but i know, i heard the opinion, and, probably,

somewhere, in some way, i myself thought about this idea: is it worth it further? live, did you have do you or romka have these thoughts? well, of course, roma had such thoughts and sometimes he has them and that’s normal, well, that is, i’ll just interrupt, i see when romka, now i’m communicating with him, i absolutely 100% understand what’s worth, that is, he seems to inspire here’s me, that it’s okay, everything is possible, in general everything is real , that is, like this... the charge goes straight, well , that is, with him it happens a little differently, yes, the blues attack, well, i’ll probably speak for myself, there for roma, yes - athletes, we’re not taught to complain like that, yes, well, somehow,

therefore - of course, that roma that everyone sees now, this is the top of olympus, so to speak, yes, well, to which he is still going there, but of course, no one from ... knows - and does not see that roma who - when he comes home, yes, what is he like, that’s it, and, of course, when we all see him, he instills hope in faith that, uh, we have to live, well, i am of the same opinion that we have to live, we have to go further, you need to move forward, well, well, if so, then so, you can’t change anything. you can't change anything, you have to just go forward, that’s all, but there is no other way out, so you have to live, go forward,

although of course, well, it’s still difficult for roma, morally that’s all, but nevertheless, with some steps he too... he goes first of all forward , what role do children play now for romka, are they discussing this or, because i heard some funny stories, roma talked about how dad, that your head can’t spin 360 and so on, that is, children help roma should not be discouraged either, but of course they support him morally, they support him very much, of course, he really blossoms in them and bathes. swimming, i don’t know what to call it, but he , of course, it just seems to me that now he gets an even greater thrill from fatherhood than he did before, because he spends more time with them, corny, yes, corny, spends

more time and, of course , they really inspire him, they motivate him very much , they make him very happy and... of course, he is happy that he can see them, see their smiles, love, kiss, hug, finds the strength to be strong in front of them, yes, that too a kind of training, yes, yes, he motivates them not to give up even in the most difficult situations. but not only them , i think that many, many people, and you expected that there would be such attention and such resonance in your story, and it was a whole series that ran for six months, and

it is still ongoing, and that is, every a new video attracts attention, every piece of news attracts a huge number of comments, every public one we were recently at an event, i ate there again, i held back my tears, yes, when we were at the tef together, you presented the awards, i was the presenter with zhenya medvedeva, when the whole hall stood up, when the whole hall stood up. firstly, for a long time he did not dare to appear

, well, in public at all and did not know at all how, well , these are normal, these are normal thoughts and normal experiences in his condition, and of course , when this was probably the turning point, when he... without meeting anyone yet, we posted a video, and he realized how many people, a million people support him and see so much strength in him, and for him it’s somehow like that, right inside inspired and supported, and now, when he , of course... happens in such decadent

moods, well, that’s normal, in his situation, it seems to me, it’s not impossible to not always be in a good mood, but for him, of course, this is universal love, she of course very, very supports him very much, well, of course we - couldn’t even imagine and imagine that in general, just even that story, when we went to performances in sochi every year, of course all the vacationers recognized us anyway, but now it’s just when i remember that people were running across the road, to shake roma’s hand, this, yes, is just some kind of incredible support, well, yes, he even, he even laughs himself, he says, well, i used to say that women were fans, now even men stop and get out of the car. they shake hands and i just want

to say a huge thank you to all the people, let’s talk a little about the future then, what are your plans, you’re both incredibly busy, you’re involved in ice projects, romka is now giving some motivational lectures and so on, events, a lot of filming, but the most the main thing is that just the other day a video appeared where roma is already dissecting full on skates. well, as life has shown, you don’t have to make plans for the future , so we live for today, we rejoice in what we have today, and i’m very glad that roma is now actively experiencing a new round of life, yes, he is invited to speaker for various events, currently filming. a great film about him, about our family, about his

story, and of course, i think that the whole country was waiting for roma to take to the ice, that’s why it’s joyful that he goes forward, strives, achieves, then we we just wish your family friendly, loving only good luck and health. and we will watch not only, i hope, in documentaries made about you, but we will also see you with our own eyes, maybe on the ice together. thank you, oksan, for coming , my interview was not the easiest, but thank you very much, thank you for the invitation, it was a free program podcast, i’m maxim tronkov, our guest was a great woman, oksana domnina.

you are watching the precious stories podcast and we and its hosts, the director of the all-russian pushkin museum, sergei mikhailovich nekrasov and ekaterina varkan, the author of amazingly interesting books that are truly dedicated to jewelry, but jewelry of a dual nature, these are different... such as rings, rings, and so on, but most importantly, they are connected with the heroes of our culture, with our great writers, poets and persons from their... entourage, today our podcast is dedicated to pushkin, and i would like to share sergei mikhailovich’s doubts about whether everyone actually understands exactly who exactly pushkin is, and it seems to me that in the process of our today during the conversation we will try to somehow talk about this, yes, at least we will talk about

him as a living person, in any case, i know that in mikhailovsky in trigorsky pushkin prays for him as if he were alive. he loved jewelry very much, well, we don’t know where he got such a passion from, maybe it was from his ancestors, we know that he had african blood, in africa there is witchcraft associated with stones, jewelry, expression and communication there with deities, maybe from there, well, he had russian ancestors, and the russians were very fond of jewelry, alexander dumofather, when he was traveling around russia, there was such an impression that every russian’s hand was studded with rings of diamonds, so...

a group of young people called themselves a green lamp, which means the society is a green lamp, gathered at nikita vseluzhsky’s on the theater square, read poetry , they sang songs there, did a lot of things, so they, it means , to define their community of some kind, their group, so to speak, commitment to each other, yes, they ordered such a ring, this is known about it, but no one has ever seen it and i didn’t hear, yes, it’s really so, by the way, the house where all this happened was preserved in excellent condition, and alexander sergeevich pushkin, when he met him, would later write that he was a momentary friend of his momentary youth, and indeed it was connected with youth, this was due to the freedom that pushkin felt after the lyceum imprisonment of the six-year-old, and of course,

this was a company of young people who completely felt themselves to be people of their circle, of their time. and behaved accordingly by the way, if we talk about the passion for rings, for rings, then, of course, of course, this passion was not only in pushkin, but in many of his other contemporaries, just remember the wonderful phrase of marina tsvitaeva, addressed to the generals of the twelfth year, about it seems to me that with a hand full of rings you could caress the maidens’ curls and manes.

by the way, here is his portrait, and pushchin, we will also show you now, and the portrait of pushchin, he is really very good here, but as we know, pushchin had a very difficult fate, which was associated with the uprising of 1825, pushchin is one of these very notable decembrists, participants in the uprising, and of course, in due time we will talk about those rings that were.

and i, the director of the all-russian museum of alexander sergeevich pushkin, sergei nekrasov. we have great joy, unlost rings, two unlost rings , which are again stored in the collections of your museum, one of them is of absolutely extraordinary beauty with an emerald, this ring, therefore, is depicted in tropinin’s portrait of the year twenty-seven, here are his two rings . on right hand, on the thumb of the right hand, this is exactly the ring with the emerald that we just saw, the second ring, as

contemporaries, so to speak, contemporaries recognized in it the vyrontsov ring, lost, but then we will talk about it separately, well, a ring with an emerald, if i may say two more words, a ring with an emerald, it really was one of pushkin’s favorite objects, i got it. him, then sparks run through him for the seventh year, that when he looks at from heels to head, and wants, dahl wrote, to take on something decent, that is, this pushkin ring, it did good and encouraged. to perform good deeds, which dali wrote very well about, well, in general , it means that the emerald, he

determines according to the calendar of stones, should belong to people who were born in may, so pushkin was born on may 26, and we know that when he ended up in exile in mikhailovskoye, which means he wrote to his brother lev all the time, asking him to send him exactly. ring, nothing, it means my brother didn’t send it, that is, we understand that this is a ring, we don’t know where it came from pushkin, maybe he bought it, ordered it, someone gave it to him, but he had this ring with an emerald until the twentieth year, and because in the twentieth year he left for the southern regions, before the twentieth year it already existed, it was , to say that this ring is chipped, but it’s clear that, so to speak, no one will give it away...

this is impossible, but when you can look closely.