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“well, where is your hopelessly ill patient? oh , oh, and the doctor will help, well, so as not to turn me aside, i can’t do it now, there’s an operation in progress, an operation happy new year, january 13, on the first, but it’s said later , that pushkin's stories
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are somehow bare, that is , there are no decorations, everything is straight in the forehead. you know, i once had a story, i was with a friend, so we were sitting in a bar, we were sitting in a bar and after that, as in salier, the dramatic denouement of one of the love stories, which means we discussed that all men are assholes, and in the process of discussion we began to discuss the evolution of the main character
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, roman was born, yes, lovelace is all this, or lovelace like yes, well, lovelace in russian, then well, our beloved ginostin, here i am on this, when we got to the city, you heard this a long time ago, our dear friends, how you can not love, too, everyone for 16 years considered the pride of the warning, now we came to the pride of the warning, then i thought, it’s interesting that alexander sergeevich read the pride of the warning, because the plot of the novel. suspiciously reminiscent of the beginning of his novel and suspiciously reminiscent of the beginning of pride and warnings, and i was concerned about this issue, he could have done it, because the first edition of the mountainous work was in the ninety -fifth year, in my opinion, the second, this is the end of the 18th century, and it was probably in russian libraries, she was a popular writer and yes, most likely yes, in chisinau, he read it, i think pushkin scholars can take this into account, everything went wrong for us, in fact, very much so.
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yes, judge by me judge many, there is the most important thing at the end of the first chapter, yes, holy, love, village, idleness in the fields, i devoted to you with my soul, i am always glad to notice the difference between anegin and me, this, i read it several times and at some point i realized that it was easier for me to learn it, i learned it now, since i haven’t re-read it for a long time, for about three years now, probably, because for me, reading it is not reading on the subway, i can’t read, it’s also an absolute text, yes, just absolute, you don’t need anything else either. this is a perfect text,
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quite interesting, i read an interview with chirac, who translated it into french, yeah, yeah he told me how difficult it was for him to follow the aneguen language when translating into french - the verse, yes, this one. this was difficult , the second story, i actually recommend doing this, a few years ago a new translation of evgeny anegin into english was published, and stephen fry read it, even if you don’t speak english, but know the russian text, listen to how read by stephen fry and evgenia anegina, this is just another recommendation.
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i in no way want to beg the merits of the translators, i must say that translating pushkin, i believe, is not the easiest task , which on the side has created more commentary than anegin many times over. regarding translations , i can tell a rather funny story, it is actually connected, rather, with translations
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of english literature into russian, i was there in the nineties i’ve been friends with one person for years, he’s english, he studied in moscow , and he says: listen, liz, i’ve always been amazed by your love for english literature. well, i say, for example, he says, well , take stevenson, mortal boredom, well, this it’s impossible to read, i tell him: old man, stevenson wrote chukovsky marshak, well, in general, yes, you read in the original, but i read what chukovsky translated, when you just look at the black arrow treasure island of the translation chukovsky, i still couldn’t understand why i was having such difficulty trying to get through everything else, by the way, to... i can’t read, but dickins has an absolutely amazing quality, if you throw out all these crazy plots of his , well, not counting the pikvetsky club, that’s all it’s just such moralizing, you know, hogarth in prose, hogarth has a somewhat fashionable
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marriage, for example, or the fate of a milliner, this is dickens like hogarth in prose, i ’ll just write it down, hogarth in prose, but dickens has an absolutely incredible description,
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three things: either we show an old book, or we comment on some quotation from prose, or we read and comment on a poem, but today it is an old book, and we play fair, i, as a museum worker , under no circumstances would ever bring it here museum items that are in our collection museum, many hundreds of thousands, but i just bring books here from my own library , no matter how they look, here i have a book by polon grigoriev, which has its own history, here is the cover, as we see, this is a poem by apollon grigoriev, but there is an important thing here note on the title , this is the cover, and i have the title page in my hands , it says here that alexander blok collected and provided notes, this is an important story, this is 1916, for blok it is also very
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dramatic, important, well, everything is important here, and the publisher, who nekrasov's nephew, this is wonderful name too. but the most important thing is that in the history of the perception of different authors there are different periods, well, for example, shakespeare was great after his death, and then in... in the 17th century at the end of the 17th he disappeared, because he did not fit into classicism, here are his romantics reopened. apollo grigoriev is an absolutely brilliant person, not only a theater critic who explained why velikostrovsky, but a poet who seemed to be completely forgotten, suddenly a very great important poet completely rises from oblivion, one short poem: we broke up, will we meet again, and where? how we will meet again, god knows , but i’ve lost the habit of knowing, and it’s become
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unhealthy for me to dream, to know and not to know, does it really matter, the future is inexorably strict, as usual, we parted a long time ago, and knowing that, i know too much a lot, believe me, that knowledge , misfortune comes true, we grow old quickly in our fast century, so he sits in the night of the verdict, condemned forever, here there is the coinage of a shakespearean sonnet, and here there is that very gypsyism that apollo grigoriev was famous for , in a word, this book meant the rebirth, almost out of oblivion , of the wonderful russian poet, apollo aleksandrovich grigoriev. since then, his popularity has not waned; now a multi-volume collection of works is being published, perhaps you, too, our respected interlocutors, will pay attention to it. well, now again to lisa, to our wonderful conversation about the postponed
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topic of the museum, we will move directly on, well , relatively recently you headed such a museum of museums, and the pushkin museum of fine arts, and please tell me, this whole story, it is comprehended with you until now or did you know it in advance, well , i mean maltsov, tsvetaeva, those people who... stood at the origins, this dream of a museum of casts, which still exist, by the way, they are exhibited at the russian state humanitarian university , where i also serve, that’s how it all was in your mind, it’s important to me that the pushkin museum, unlike most similar universal museums in the world, is not based on a private collection, well, that is, when we say historical records, it’s a collection of russians tsars, french, and so on, prado, there is a national gallery and so on,
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in france or germany, so he collected these casts all over the world, not only in italy , the legs became originals, because the originals died, well, no matter how they became originals, but they perform a function, they now perform the function of the originals, moreover, even before to this day, some of them serve as sources of restoration, which means the second very important point is that this glyptothek was unexpected for him, he did not build it as a glyptothek, because a very important point there are glyptotheks , not that tsvetaev came up with it, in the end in the second half of the ninth. many centuries european universities, european cities, are acquiring gleptotheks, that
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is, copies of famous sculptures made for educational purposes. so tsvetaev makes a negleptothek, he goes to klein, they build a museum, the architecture of which in itself is an illustration of the history of art. not only do you enter through the greco-roman portico, you go up, then you enter the egyptian vestibule, which is made in the egyptian style, you walk through a pink staircase. you have a greek courtyard on the left side, an italian courtyard on the right side, this is the logic that on your left side you have greek antiquity, and classicism , and the corner of the prophenon, and it was a non-trivial task to push the corner of the prophenon in life size, which means into a building in berlin, and on the right side you have a courtyard of the high italian revival and there every object in every cast is there for a reason, for example, a portal in an italian courtyard led into a medieval hall. that is , the logic is clear, then like even the most incredible thing, something that few people
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remember now, on the frieze, above the main staircase, two inscriptions in greek: the first sounds like this: the best of all is the desire for beauty, i will reproduce it in translation, because greek is not my language, the second sounds like this: and the consolation of a person from all troubles is art, i didn’t know that either , forgive my ignorance, in my opinion this is very important. this formulates tsvetaev’s concept in relation to the museum, and what is a museum? naturally, this museum, which is conceived as a library, is already at the stage of its opening. grows into the egyptian collection, which the king buys and transfers it to the museum of fine arts, he buys it from the beholder, and then suddenly , first one collection of genuine monuments, not copies or casts, appears, then a painting collection appears when it was disbanded after tsvetaev’s death,
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the western european collection comes to the rumyantsov museum, and we want do about it.
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yes, several, because i have a book at home that my great-grandfather bought, it’s such a thick volume that i read as a child with the spine already torn off long ago, but which i read my mother, then i read it, now here are our dear interlocutors, you can’t talk about texts that you didn’t hold in your hands, you only saw or heard, yes, we recognize books in conversation, and books that have been published, well, this is the beginning of the 20th century , the very beginning, no, this is exactly the book i’m talking about now...
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years, it was the hit of the season, that means they put it on a chair, i read, well, it’s a rather long poem, everyone was terribly surprised how i wasn’t there about tanya, who is crying about the ball, here is a healthy one, by the way, i really love agnubarto, i think that she is a virtuoso poet, in general i really love children's poetry, especially the first half of the 20th century, i consider marshak a genius, chukovsky an absolute genius. there’s a lot of things there sometimes marshak translates better than the original, he has that he kissed you, honey, this must be so, and how did you let him, oh he’s such an eccentric, he thought i fell asleep, i still can’t stand you, or he thought what did i think, what did he think, i’m dreaming, i was fussing over this poem for 50 years, then i looked at the original, but it’s just worse, worse, well listen, well, marshak sat down on the bed in the morning, began to put on his shirt,
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put his hands into the sleeves, it turned out to be trousers, well, yes, well, really, there is a special problem with shakespeare, but read the book by igor shaitanov, marshak is a poet, he is not a translator, he rewrites shakespeare, and does not translate it, this is best seen in the translations of kipling and the same, i even, i even doubt that you don’t know that dickins and jane austen, and moore, listen, i’ve always been carried away by the starfadians, not strafadians, shakespeare, read gililov, i read annixt, there are also a couple of books, these are all classics of shakespeare.
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for most people, art critics are people who, according to some unknown criteria , determine, this is good, this is bad, this artist is a genius, they look in the vazar and say, but this artist is not, and this is not entirely true, as well just like literature, the veda does not determine what is good, what is bad, the quality of the text...
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it was conceived, it needs to be slightly not even adjusted, but rethought. possible, of course, well, this is terribly important, of course, because i would like the manuscripts were shown and so that, perhaps, not in the form in which it was originally invented, but so that the house of the text is, first of all , an art historical text and a text about art, this is not always the same thing, yes, of course, of course, here are the best texts, the texts about art are very good, you know, from goethe, from marx, oddly enough, from marx yes, but goethe is simply wonderful, goethe has one brilliant quote, it goes like this: if you had ever been to italy and especially in rome, you can never be completely unhappy again, that's how you can formulate
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a person’s need for art, being a poet, this is another formula from likhacheva, because goeta titan, color theory, yes, he contributed to absolutely everything, goethas, goethas - this is certainly alexander sergeevich pushkin in russia, goethas in germany. as if, but he, we sometimes forget about this, he is an amazing lyrical poet, the most subtle, beautiful italian, when my daughter began to learn, like any soviet child, for me the german language is the language of the enemy, we were brought up on soviet films about the great patriotic war, and of course i was always interested in how poetry sounds in german, hertz, so i asked my daughter to learn german, i asked her to read schiller to me, i was always interested in hearing how he read in the original. this is an incredibly beautiful language, i didn’t expect, to be honest, a beautiful language, i must say that i didn’t expect it either, although i know, love and am friends with liza likhacheva, i
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honestly didn’t expect that liza judges so amazingly subtly, you judge about literature and today we had a wonderful guest, or rather a guest, i sincerely thank the director of the state museum for... read with pleasure, dear friends. hello friends, precious history podcast, you are greeted, my name is ekaterina varkan and today my interlocutor is
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victor kula. poet, translator and literary critic, we decided to talk to him about our first peter, we chose such an unexpected topic, but our chronology is always from peter, even in our everyday culture, we say, but i remembered the times peter i, so we will try, strictly speaking , to remember. peter is the last king and first emperor, and he owned not only power, but a large number of crafts. by the way, he was known as the most famous beard-beard in russia, who... greatly changed the landscape of the aristocratic nobility, but besides this, he was a mechanic, and a turner, and a co-worker and a helmsman shipbuilder, and at some such moment of his free time he pulled out an absolutely fantastic beauty glass, this glass is called, the glass of peter i, look how truly magnificent thing, gold, diamonds, imalia, ruby
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​​spinel, but with all this... wealth the cup was decorated by the donor, because peter made the cup from a walnut burl, not for his own consumption, he made it as a gift for an expensive donation, there are two inscriptions on this cup, one is in russian, here it says 1709, all the handicrafts of the russian emperor, the great peter alekseevich, the second is latin. she claims that this glass was made by peter for a high gift to prince matvey petrovich gagarin, and it was given to him in 1709, after celebrating the victory in the battle of poltava and not for the victory in the battle of poltava, but for the magnificent holiday in moscow, which was organized by prince
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gagarin. by the way, july 10th. on the day of saint samson, a battle took place and there was the first major victory of russian weapons, in peterhof, the most famous fountain, samson tearing the jaws of a tree, 25 years later, on the anniversary of anna ianovna’s twenty-fifth birthday , this fountain was installed, in memory of this battle, and here such great symbolism and samson, the saint's day in samson, and the lion is symbol of sweden on the coat of arms. sweden and leo , these are such wonderful parallels, which means that the holiday organized by gagarin impressed peter very much, and the holiday lasted 3 days, but i must say that it really was something unheard of, gagarin, who was the governor of moscow, put out a huge number of barrels for the people with all sorts of different drinks, strong drinks, tables with food, and
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what had never happened, there was a procession of 22,000 -odd captured swedes, so we all remember, but in the great patriotic war, how it was this is a procession of germans, so long before that , an idea came to peter’s mind, for some reason no one remembers about it, and everything was very interesting there, there were eight or triumphal gates through which troops passed, which means russians, and then these ones passed... 2,000 prisoners left a lot of memories from these prisoners, they were very dissatisfied with all this, the russians, who , so to speak, naturally accompanied all these columns, threw all sorts of objects at them, but what exactly did these people want ? captured swedes, poles and germans, they they wanted to walk along red square with an orchestra, but they walked without an orchestra, they wanted to walk through moscow, they walked and were still unhappy with such a meeting of muscovites, the fact is that gagarin, in
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principle, of course... had a relationship with poltava as such, regiments being formed went through him into the active army, he was practically, as they would say now , the head of the rear, and accordingly, all the prisoners also came to him, he then somehow quietly even made a certain regiment out of them, such a regiment actually exists legend that gagarin transferred this regiment, which he polished, which means he raised him well, transferred him to siberia, where he also served as governor for some time.
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as we have now, yes, it was called a promise or even an honor, it was not welcomed in the codes of law, but the punishment for a promise or an honor was not provided for at all, as if fu-fu-fu, but no, well, i think that peter was closing still had eyes on such a system , the so-called feeding, yes, that it was necessary, so to speak, to eat and drink, but there were no special salaries, and just whoever...
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they were called a brawler, on the contrary, that kutuzovskaya embankment was also called gagarinskaya, then french, then kutuzovskaya, and this gagarinskaya embankment, there was a pier and there was a bathhouse in the 19th century, and it was the most fashionable place among bathing lovers in st. petersburg, it is known for sure that pushkin was prince peter andrevich vyazimsky they revered this bath very much, they were constantly there, which meant they were studying. swimming sport, let's call it that. the story of gagarin is mysterious, because no documents have been preserved regarding his prosecution, the courts, yes, yes, they in general, they seem to have been erased, disappeared, there is not a single
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portrait of him that is reliable, yes, that is, the fact is that the chicks of petrov’s nest madly loved their parsuns, they were generally portraited, engraved, and so on. naturally, i think that gagarin was no less a fan of this matter, but no, the most amazing thing is, as noted, yes, that is, he was from the inner circle, at first he even tried to defend him, he clung to gagarin, well, not only him alone, many nobles of that time, including his serene highness, clung to him darling, just created. peter is still there, the investigation was resumed and so on , all these same ones, and he honestly pursued him, gagarin got away with it once,
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in general, in the end they calculated that he caused damage to the treasury as much as 300,000-odd rubles, that’s about 4% of the budget of the entire empire. but most importantly, all trade with china went through him, as through the siberian governor, three diamond rings bought for catherine, the sovereign’s wife, he pocketed for himself, now this is disgusting, no, well, yes, i think that’s what it is last a drop, but it feels like we had some kind of bribe-takers or... a decent person in this whole company? peter himself said that i have two hands, yakov
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velimovich is a ryus, the right, the main hand for a person, the left is oleksashka menshikov, the left is a thief, this... since it is important to replace, that is, he knew this and more than once knocked, as you know, yes, hello, sergei tugushev is broadcasting news in the studio. orthodox believer today. celebrate a bright holiday, the nativity of christ. solemn liturgies were held this at night throughout russia. the main service was performed by patriarch of all arusi kirill of moscow at the cathedral of christ the savior in moscow. especially for christmas, this year the icon
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of the trinity by andrei rublev was delivered there. parishioners will be able to see her during.

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