todorovsky, and i somehow lived here and there and started filming with french money in moscow, i was filming in russian, they gave me, it was considered such a film, then there was a huge interest in russia, they were all for me, bonopark, i remember there, the whole city was covered with posters, yes, and mamun went his own way, it’s actually interesting, son... ginkosa yanovsky wrote a play, it was called bald brunette, such modern perestroika art, and he asked me to show it to mamonov , i brought them together, and mamonov began to play in the theater with great success, and i mean moved, then money appeared, and the director is such an egoistic creature, where you know , like birds, where they sprinkle millet on the windowsill, then it flies. and i flew here and

came across an island. dear friends, we continue, this is the podcast life of the remarkable , my guest is the director, screenwriter, pavel lungin, the island, because the script is not yours, yes, the script, the script, but as it was, first the idea, then the script or not, i came across this a script that was greatly altered during the work process.

the wind, it was all perfect, i somehow i saw it differently, and this, by the way, is interesting that this set of ours was preserved there for a long time, they burned it 2 years ago, yeah, and so it was some guy who was filming for us, he was a worker, in my opinion , he already showed it as a landmark, yes, and you spent a long time filming the island, and i’m still filming. 3 months , that is, it was autumn, from two to 3 months, it was almost winter, yes we finished, we finished when it was snowing, yes, in general there was a lot of interesting things, there were no frosts, the sea did not freeze, although we filmed almost until december, well, the days there are very short , practically there at all, well, somehow they were filming, the devil knows why, then a flock of such small dolphins, whales, beluga whales swam up. called, you know, they

, white on them, suddenly look like ice floes on the sea, so we went at the end, and the camera had already been removed, i couldn’t even film it, i would have filmed it, of course, but it was a very happy time, the island , a difficult and happy time, and did you expect this to be such a success, no, of course not, i think 50 people will watch everything, if i give birth to him, no one will see me won’t marry someone who needs me and a child, and no one will marry me, it’s written in the family, the child will be here, consolation, all your life you’ll curse yourself that you killed an innocent child, but how do you know, you didn’t old man, maybe i myself, what?

includes a combination of stars, forces, mamonov , the amazing cameraman andryusha zhigalovo, and of course, this is the religious component, yes, it is so strong, there was also a consultant there, as i read somewhere, yes, well, he was such a very wonderful monk, yes, who came to us, yes, well, young, very kind, very good, who already knew petiy before, in my opinion, he was... entrusted

with caring for, as they say, all sorts of rock musicians and other people, father kuzma was wonderful, absolutely, and he and i sometimes call each other , you know, i wanted one

... she came because i’m not sure what, but the patriarch really liked it, and patriarch alexy, in my opinion, liked alexey, talked to us, yes, he gave us some certificates of gratitude , it was some kind of bright period, you know, i have several films, i shot it on a high note, here’s a wedding so the island was shot on some enormous energy of love, the island was shot on some enormous energy of love, and the film about... ivan the terrible was apparently no longer shot on the energy of love, it seems to me that it ’s quite hard to watch, hard to watch, yes, tsar, yes , i just remember my feelings, and you look again, you will be surprised, maybe i remember, i

incredibly liked yankovsky in this film, the way he plays metropolitan philip, that’s how much dignity, how much nobility, how much restraint, and mamonova, despite all the fact that i understand that... he is a brilliant actor, but he, but he transforms into ivan in such a way that it’s just creepy, mind you, mind you, mind you, i had from this film some feeling that here, in the words of the poet, art ends and the soil breathes and fate, and such soil - this is not the best soil that breathes, and fate is terrible, you know, mamonov is generally an archaic person, somehow, i, that’s why when i was filming the island, i felt in him that he is generally middle ages he is some person, maybe 15, who brings him here it was carried away, yes, that’s why he couldn’t live , that ’s why he didn’t know what to do with himself, and he was all made up of some kind of muscles, like ropes, you couldn’t see them, but you can see that you know, that’s how , as they say, he

was absolutely medieval with medieval attacks of rage and some kind of mistrust, that is, it was as if it was natural for him to play. at first he didn’t even really want to, because after the island, after the wild success, grandmothers kiss his hands in the subway, you know, hands flop in front of him, as if, and he’s a little, he like an actor, he flew, he felt himself, but somehow, there was ambition, vanity in him, well, of course, he is a real cuckoo, he threw everyone out of the nest, it ’s me, i’m me, he’s a pure cuckoo, but he... i myself, we talked about it, he laughed a lot, he wanted to do a performance, even one that would be called i, i, that’s what, the person who tells everyone, i did it, it’s me, it’s me, i came up with it, i, and there is an actor without this quality, yankovsky, yankovsky didn’t

have it, no, they are completely antipodean, i remember yankovsky arrived at the hotel, in suzdal, the beginning of filming, the next day , suddenly... mamonov came, and i felt he had drunk, he was worried, he drank, this was not good at all, and he came, we were sitting - at a table there, in a local restaurant in the dining room at this hotel, i mean, i sat down, i see that i’m on the verge of something like this, he says, oleg , you understand, i understand you, i want to understand, but this guy, when he picks up the phone, looks at him, no, oleg, you don’t you see, this menacing thing began in him, from bottom to top, like a hook, he crawled right under him, i love you i want, you understand, to love, love me, and

after 10 minutes of this conversation i couldn’t stand it, i left, but somehow later they agreed, after all, oleg is a great professional, and... pyotr nikolaevich is still always an amateur , he always walks on the edge of the impossibility of overplaying without biting, but yankovsky is there in my opinion. and says nothing, the whole film, he was silent for me, it makes an amazing

impression, do not forsake me, your servant, swept away by god, metropolitan, father, who will pray for me, why is it always on our way he’s standing there, the lord heard me, he gave a sign, drag his son away, wait, basmanov, wait, maybe you’ll have to bow at his feet, well... it turns out that, as if for mamonov , the film set was not limited to the film set, but he continued

to play outside of it, i read somewhere that when he was on the island, yes, that is, his antagonist there was job, yes, whom dyuzhev played, and dyuzhev said in some interview that he tried to establish some kind of relationship with mamonov human communication and absolutely ran into a blank wall, then, well, i read that when the filming ended, mamun said, now you and i can become normal friends. and what you say about yankovsky is very similar, but i want to be with you here in the dining room of the restaurant, i also want to get into your soul, he has already come as ivan the terrible, he already, but in this i want to love you, this there were already some iron pincers that were supposed to tear the inside. it was a podcast life of the wonderful, i am

grateful to you for this conversation, dear friends, the guests were a wonderful director and screenwriter a wonderful conversationalist, a sincere person, pavel semyonovich lungin. thank you, i was also very interested. greetings, friends, i’m evgeny dodolev, this is the podcast chronicles of the end times, and i ’ll tell you about those new year’s meetings that i personally remember 30 years ago, we celebrated the year 94 on the ocean shore in... in the city of miami, as i i call miami beach, on that day i found myself in handcuffs for the first time,

that is, despite the fact that i had, uh, in general, experience of criminal prosecution during my student years in the soviet union, somehow how things worked there without handcuffs, in america, i want to warn you right away, being in handcuffs is nothing special, it’s just instead of, hello, when the cops start talking to you, and they can shackle you, there are even children with... american police officers there are even special small handcuffs for children’s wrists, where a five-year-old can end up in handcuffs, just in the nineties there was a scandal about a boy being truant in grade zero, that is , he was six years old, and he was detained by the police and handcuffed, a lot about it they wrote recently, by the way, several years ago there was a similar story that hit the tv screens, i mean, in general, i didn’t do anything like that, in more detail,

it means who we are, i was in america at that moment , starting in september of ninety-three on an internship at the new york times company, and since my wife and i were a bit bored, we decided to invite our friends for the new year, our friends, they were ivan and elena demidov, and ivan ivanovich demidov. at that time he was, in my opinion, the most famous media personality in the country, this there was the helmsman muzaboza, such a cult figure, tv guru, former director. programs a look into the future, well, at that time, at the end of ninety-three, the head of the most trendy, most fashionable, youth television channel in the country, tv6, it was december 31 , ninety-three, ivan and elena flew to us in miami, my wife and i

met, and decided to celebrate twice.

you can’t walk with an elephant without a leash, but there are cooler things, by the way, in the state of south carolina, for example, thongs are prohibited, you can’t wear them, moreover, you can’t sell, in some states, alcohol

is sold in special stores, in this store where alcoholic beverages are sold, you cannot sell, say, soda or just water, that is... in general , there are a lot of these wonderful laws, i just i’m approaching what, in fact, i blew myself up on, what law, we went to the beach, and, well, it’s clear that this is the nineties, we decided that of course we would celebrate the new year with champagne, ah, but we we couldn’t find champagne in local stores that cost more than $100, and what? that buying champagne there was cheaper than $100, but it was just, well, not up to the standard, and we also wanted to definitely celebrate the new year with red champagne, so we literally started celebrating the new year, i still have polaroids that ivan demidov bought a poloroid there

, to take such very small pictures with poloroids, it was a new format, by the way, it somehow didn’t work, because then... poloroids returned to their usual square shape, this is ivan ivanovich demidov without glasses, by the way, his country is not i saw, without glasses, he would definitely be wearing glasses as the helmsman of the music industry, this is lena demidova, this is my wife, natasha, this is that same bottle of beautiful red champagne, why am i saying that we were practically alone on this shore, we didn’t bother anyone , because it’s december 31st , we settled on...

for 10 dollars, that is, it’s not some kind of pretentious prestigious place, but it’s very, well, fashionable, in short , two people came up and immediately put it on me very politely, that

is, without rudeness, there was no pressing the throat against the knee, right in the underpants, exactly in shorts, because i wasn’t wearing swimming trunks, like in the photo, they just led me to the car in shorts, explaining, well... what i was actually guilty of and what the consequences would be? the consequences could have been quite serious, but when they realized that they were dealing with such a russian loser, and of course, the context of the new year, that a new year was coming, and even more so - these events of the autumn of 1993 had just passed , about which very wrote a lot in the american press, then i just stood in these... somehow include a joke of humor to joke, he said that this is an acquaintance of mine

, this is a television star, there was no internet, that is, there was no way to google it and check that ivan demidov is really ivan demidov, the great helmsman of the muzaboza, but since the police are people who are psychologists, usually.

i’ll tell you now why i said, i didn’t find any coffee, and at that moment a police car drives up, a policeman, also a colored man, gets out, and he comes up to us

, they ask what we’re actually doing here, well , we explain what we’re like tourists wouldn't tourists, vacationers, celebrating, he said , you know, i’ll get in the car, i’ll take you out of this area and - you have a map, well, naturally, there were no navigators, no gadgets, i repeat, this is ninety the third, the coming ninety-fourth year, naturally there were paper maps, and right there from that car of ours, on this map he marked areas that we whites do not need to go to, well, that is , in general it is categorically impossible if we value our health and life, that’s how i learned about the existence of racism, here it is in great detail painted: on the map which areas in which areas we should not appear at all, in which areas we can appear during the day, in which areas we can drive through, but it is advisable not to even

stop at a red traffic light, well , if it’s somehow difficult to get into this area, so we all listened to this with such eyes, that is, it was, in general, such a discovery, later i found out that in all major cities... there are such zones, and here i must explain to you that miami, that we call it miami - it really is several areas of the island of miami beach, this is where representatives of our bageme live, all the famous actors, they have apartments there in these huge condominiums, by the way, the american elite... including the hollywood elite, who, of course, have real estate, in may , they never live in these people’s houses, they buy

small... on the canal - some mansions, which, by the way, cost the same as apartments in the pethouse, this is the same price category most, that is, here not here about money, but about, as it were, traditions and habits, miami itself is actually a fairly large city that looks like a modern, well, chertanovo in moscow, and that is , this is an alternation of some kind of khrushchev-era buildings, well, not khrushchev-era buildings, of course, i mean in looking like these, well, like five-story buildings, small buildings and some high-rise new buildings, in principle this place is inexpensive, this is actually miami. so, we continue our conversation about welcoming the new year, i ’m talking about my personal experience, this is a podcast chronicling the end times, because in fact, every time...

when a year ends, a new one begins , it’s the same with times, some times end, others begin, we come to the second episode with handcuffs, because i also found myself in handcuffs for the second time in the same city, but no longer in maya beach, not on the ocean shore, but since we - we had such a format - traveling after the sun on this very cadillac, because uh. quite cloudy in winter in miami the water is very warm there 25-26°, because in summer there it’s generally impossible, in the summer it’s very hot and humid, and in the winter it’s just comfortable, but it’s cloudy, and we just, being in one place or another , saw that there was sunshine here or there somewhere, that is, there was a blue sky, we sat down - in this the very kodilak and rushed there in

search of ultraviolet light. program, where a lot of modern journalists came from, moreover, it was invented by her , she was the producer of such a project as portzone, it was just such a very, very fashionable project in the mid-nineties, it was such a disco and it was there that the career of, say, gosha began kutsenko, yes, he started out as a tv presenter, and

he became famous precisely as a presenter... of a portzone, in a pair he had a girl who had previously been a dancer and backup singer, for sorukhanov, for someone else, and lera, yes, this is lera kudryavtseva, here they are together, gosha kutsenko and lera kudryavtseva started under the leadership of lena demidova, in short, both demidovas had a lot of plans, and they came to us,

miami cubans are a completely separate category, that is, they are people, who hate and well, hated, let's say, fidel castro, these are people who fled from the island of freedom, they had a corresponding attitude towards the soviets, well, that is, towards the russian speakers , because the russians were soviet, and we could not understand why some kind of ill will was felt, but because we there were russians, that is, we were associated with the very communist regime from which these people fled, and naturally the matter ended in a fight, and again ivan ivanovich somehow, i don’t know why, at that moment he either went somewhere, in short saying i'm again

ended up in... then i had to go to some kind of courses or something after dimidov’s departure, in general several times i went somewhere and became imbued with responsibility and standards of behavior in society in miami - by the way, speaking of laws about everything else, there would have been one more nuance, because when we talked and invited me to watch all the new year’s programs, well, the blue light, in general, well, be in the know, i said, of course it’s not a question, we’ll put it there is a plate in our yard and

so to speak, everything is there, because i still let me remind you once again that there was no internet, but there were these television dishes, it was possible to receive a signal, and it so happened that i deceived my friends, because i... was able to install this dish? it turned out that in america, according to the law, in life in this association, i have to fill out some kind of application at the meeting that will be there, well, i don’t know, they were held there once a month, what i want to do in my yard , i repeat, that is, in my backyard, put a plate and either get permission, or receive an unmotivated refusal, that is - the myth of a capitalist society collapsed instantly, something like, there’s money there, you solve everything for money, we were building capitalism back then, it’s precisely according to these patterns, you have money, for this money you solve problems, pose them there plates, spoons

, forks, tables, wherever you see fit, if you have enough money for it, in america it turned out that it doesn’t work, that is, i bought this plate, and called the craftsmen, and the master installed it for me, but the neighbors just knocked, but there, in principle, in contrast from us, there is this culture of denunciation in a good sense, because in fact the legal system is built on this, that neighbors watch each other, and if they notice something wrong, they are right there, they don’t sort things out with neighbors, they they immediately knock on the police, there, for example, according to the laws. in those days, i don’t know how it is now, it was impossible to leave a child under 14 years old alone at home, that is, we had five-year-olds and first-graders go home with a key around their neck, there

this child had to be a nurse before that age, if the neighbors noticed that such a child was left behind, they did not conduct educational conversations with the parents or not... they are all so very friendly, the americans are very friendly in these areas, at least the ones i ’m talking about, that is, when we arrived, they at our housewarming, they baked something for us, suggested something, helped with advice, then i

made some kind of fence there, not knowing that the height of the fence and the format of the fence in general, it is regulated again by rules and laws, again.

in new russia it was not, but at the everyday level, this kind of petty corruption, it was much less than ours, i’m now bringing the conversation to my own. arrest , when i found myself in handcuffs for the third time, there are local officers there, that is, the high patrol, they do not take bribes, that is , the head of the police can take bribes there for solving some issue, so i mean the performers, ordinary officers, they don’t take bribes, which was also a discovery for me and not the most pleasant, because it was much later, when we were going to orlando to meet our friends, the demidovs

we had already left, we were late and i was speeding, well, quite seriously, i just whistled past the patrol car, because it was not a classic police car with flashing lights, but just like this jeep made to look like wood, they were generally popular there in america these cars, he had... naturally there was something written on the board and there was a flashing light inside the cabin, but when i whistled past, i naturally didn’t see it, but he immediately turned on the flashing light, caught up with us, i stopped here, i i made my first mistake i tried, well, as in the soviet union it was customary that if you are stopped by a traffic cop, he is waiting for you in the car as the master of the situation, you run out, run to him like that. with something , well, with documents there or something else

you can add, so i tried to get out of the car, a gun was immediately pointed at me, they shouted at me to stay in the car, like yes, yes, yes, there are no questions at all, i was crawling back the seat, the officer said that i should keep my hands on the steering wheel, so i took it out on... well, that is, here are the documents for the car i invested 100 dollars there with a charming smile, as it seemed to me then, and my wife also tried to sit on the assault seat , which means smiling, i say, you know , my friends and i are going to be late for the airport, it’s our fault, please forgive me, he means he looks there is a 100 dollar bill and he clarifies this is me, i’m like that, of course i’m telling someone else, this is for you, immediately i found

myself pulled out of the car, my hands on the hood for the third time in handcuffs, because this is a bribe to an official, and it’s good that i was with my wife, because that would they took me away and there is such a system that when you get detained, they can bail you out, it’s called ransom, but you can’t redeem yourself, even if you had a suitcase of money with you, someone has to do it. another, any other person, he can come to the police station to pay this bail, why is this done, because they release you, if you run away, then this bail remains with the state, no matter how the state loses, it’s good that in general i repeat, i was with my wife, who followed this patrol car into precinct, so they opened a case, our guests were waiting for us in ... artu, because my wife did not dare to leave me, and there was a trial, then, well,

the point here is that the numerousness and severity of american laws, you know how according to saltykov shchedrin, he said that the severity of russian laws is compensated for, softened by the optionality of their implementation, in general, too, a lot remains at the discretion of the judge, i remember that i was later appointed. date of the trial, i came to court and there, too, the judge somehow got into it, that is, here we are naturally talking about no bribes there, i don’t mean that there is not a corrupt system there, the judicial system there is also corrupt, but not not about such a bun trifle as me and my case are talking about, but also judging, in general, after listening to me , understanding that i simply explained that this is our good - russian tradition in general -