i imagined that i had lifted the heaviest thing in my life, oh, what a pity, what , that you didn’t have a twin for someone to lift you into the air, oh, what a pity, you know, it might not work very well, we were considering the option , the flight on that’s it, yes, yes, it’s the artists, it’s the artists to imprison, they studied, studied the experience, came to the conclusion that there are more disadvantages in production, why? because when we were filming this story, i can set the actor on fire, for example, blow smoke, blow smoke oil, this, this, this, this, this is important, plus, i, so to speak, can twist an artist, let's say, armless, with quite a lot of speed, it seems to me that his blood pressure was 200 when he came out, but he held on very courageously.

my eyes will burst, and at the same time i understand that i can lower this structure, the artist can rest, and we can repeat the same story again, the most difficult thing was probably to do , but he had a moment that it seems that everything these air battles were photorealistic, so that there was no feeling of computer graphics, we have a lot, including in the material and filming of airplanes, real ones, and excuse me, are we generally against computer graphics? you know, i spent several years of my life and analysis on the history of aerial filming there, i came to an amazing result, which is that graphics are more expensive than high-quality filming than... real airplanes and

so on, not only that, that, unfortunately , the graphics are not always there, even in very expensive american films with budgets of 100 million, sometimes you look and think, well, this is a cartoon, damn it, yeah, that’s visible, and so to speak, really here we are pretty they came up with an interesting technology , when we have air battles, we first have former air force pilots, that’s all, it all took place on yaks 52, yeah, at maximum speed, so to speak, in line with the behavior of pilots of the great patriotic war, then in their place, we inserted 3d models of airplanes one on one, so that there would not be a feeling when the plane was walking on rails, but it wasn’t walking on rails, but it seemed to exist . ah, there is turbulence,

there is a kind of inertia, there is a tangible weight of the plane, it’s almost it’s impossible to catch, but the problem with many films, including, unfortunately, ours, when computer graphics are made, is that latently we don’t feel the weight, and accordingly, so we went, we went in this way, this is a very multi-component picture, plus when we have bombardment.

have you ever regretted taking on this? i ’m now asking about this block that you made, well, i had moments, and not that i was afraid, but you know, sometimes you come to filming, you are flooded there or something else, and you sometimes... do you think that

your strength runs out when you push it. you see, we chose the most idiotically difficult way to shoot this picture. we recreated all the costumes, again lena okopnaya, the costume designer too, she first created threads, then yarn, from this yarn we made this fabric, from this fabric using those technologies, we restored tunics one by one, we sewed flight suits , but about the same weight that they were, because they were quite heavy and not very... excuse me, but what’s in the selection of this did not have? and you know, minimally, unfortunately, this is the legacy of the wonderful soviet cinema, for example, the film torpedo bomber, yes, nothing of this remains, because in troubled times it all

disappeared somewhere, somewhere, and therefore some remained units, or a remake remains, this remake is visible, and this remake, well, it’s clear. so when all this , well, it was very difficult at times, then of course, of course, i cursed everything, of course, you know, i immediately want to shoot a picture somewhere, you know, in the warmth, so to speak, without leaving without going far with one on the other hand, the challenge was great , of course

, it was such a shame to make such a good drive, and accordingly, if there was an option to choose the most, not necessarily the most expensive, but nevertheless choose the most monstrously difficult solution, then we choose, but which leads to the person didn’t feel the falsehood, we chose this incredibly difficult decision,

at some moments, of course, we repented of it, we thought, okay, why do we need to build so many models, would we draw it with a computer, no, we didn’t draw it, in different ways reasons, built correctly. we did everything right, now on the first channel in the podcast everyone wants to fly in the debriefing area , we have the director of the film air alexey german, i am the performer of one of the main roles elena lyadova, and i am the presenter leonid yakubovich, the preparatory period is about 3 years was, right? no, no, well, we, well, how to count, from the date, as it were, how we started working, before the script, during the script, i think that if we accumulate everything , 2 and a half years, probably, and construction all this huge scenery, well, that would be,

well, yes, well, we designed it in advance for a very long time, this is interesting, in fact, we created a workshop for creating models of models. yakov and mister shmitov , this, this story took a year, because there were several unsuccessful prototypes, because when we first started recreating the yak, the first plane was made with a mistake, it was just shorter, and lena trench is the artist of the picture, she saw it, then we called this plane a good thing, and we put it, we put it on... the most they turned it around on purpose so that it would not be visible, they placed the farthest edge of the airfield, which means that then we put aircraft production on stream, then it took a very long time to fine-tune them, technological holes, hatches , texture, airflow, scratches on the propeller, and it

was like an endless, endless , endless story, so that... there were screws from that time, so that the screws that sometimes fastened something were not visible, and i still see in... the plane was accelerating, sliding, that is, there was a long history, we placed the engines, we,

which were supposed to rotate the propeller, we imitated the engines, well, the whole cabin was imitated, two words, you just briefly touched on the amazing artist on the film, this is lena okopnaya, in fact, she is both a costume designer and a production designer, well , they really did, they did a colossal work in every detail. in everything, from the creation of a reliable trench, and a reliable suit, and in all its dirt and what really happened, ending with the creation, the creation of a rather large airfield. you're right because anyway the eye glides over the little things and these little... truths create the general truth of this whole story, and it can be seen, well, i can

tell you that in fact there are many secrets that we tried to understand, we thought a lot when you make a model airplane , when i build, it is clear that a centimeter is a centimeter, everything is where it is needed and so on, the question is how to paint the plane, we know that the plane is wooden, partly, not all, but partly wooden, partly fabric. partially, we know that, well, yes, percale, yes, yes, yes, well percales, yes, of course, but we did a study, we painted the plane with matte, matte paint, both gloss and semi-gloss, and it turned out that gloss and semi-gloss, just if you paint it, gives a greater feeling of weight and naturalness, although there is a greater feeling of that it was so, that is , simply even from the point of view of the amount of varnish , the choice of paint, the choice of... the choice of the degree of glossiness, non-glossyness, then the feeling of authenticity depends, there were a lot of

options for putting out aircraft, just a huge research work, well, you can have your own 3 i’ll put in a penny, in fact, well, in the filming of other films, of course , the director is always important and the main one, and he commands when to start, in this case, our artist elena okopnaya is not lined up yet. fabrics and we, as artists, were simply witnesses

to the fact that some special one was being created, it is of course artistic, fictional, well , some kind of especially artistically fictional, truthful documentary world, it was difficult for us to lie there, you just know, it’s amazing how much the topic you touched on hurts me, well, not only do i crazy, i'm in love with the sky once and for all, that's for sure, but when we were filming a film about the girls of the 588th regiment, however, this plane by the legendary aircraft designer nikolai polikarpov was not intended for combat operations, an open cockpit without armored backs, with a low-power engine, whatever they called him a maize man, a whatnot, who would have thought that he would be indispensable in battle, his drawback?

i was completely exhausted on the sixth, in the summer, open cockpit, oncoming jet from the engine, from the propeller, i was freezing, and at -25, the absence connections in general. in the transition period, when there is a lot of abyss, when there is nothing to sit on , well, i was so stunned by my feelings that i realized that they were all heroes of the soviet union, every single one of them, so when i looked at you, it’s all like that in me shook, you so

perfectly conveyed this feeling of human existence in inhuman conditions that i...

literally grabbed the cameras, dismantled the tent right before my eyes with monitors, ran, the water came right in a minute, there in one of the frames that i saw , mm, footage filming period, when you shouted very loudly, stop, it’s filmed, the shift is over,

joyfully, the cheerful faces of frostbitten people wandering through a snowy field. colleagues, thank you all, but today the shooting is over , it was epic, friends, lunch is announced, lunch is ready, and at the same time their eyes are all shining, from this i concluded that the relationship in the group was probably wonderful, everyone just wanted - home.

well, now, so to speak, it seems that with the first channel we should start one big film based on konstantinavich’s wonderful idea, i haven’t yet i haven’t yet been given the command that i can speak, so that’s why it’s me, i don’t know, but to be honest, i finished the air with such a degree of fatigue that, among other things , i would just have to lie down, well, because it’s very... very much hard, a lot of hard work, i want to tell you that from our entire conversation, without lying, i can say that i am filled with the desire to wish everyone to watch this film, because god knows, it’s worth it, once again, you and i are on the first channel in the podcast everyone wants to fly

with the director of the film air alexey herman with one of the main performers. prostrate. elena ilyadova. brother, thank you very much. for coming, secondly. and firstly, for the fact that you gave me the opportunity to spend very good time there, almost an hour and a half with something. i enjoyed watching it. well, maybe because for me, i repeat once again, as for you, a sore subject is war, plus everything that happens to the air. i enjoyed it and i sincerely tell you guys, thank you, i have it sitting here, i’ll probably watch it once again, all the best, thank you. thank you very much for being with us on the podcast everyone wants to fly, i hope that you will get exactly the same pleasure as i did from watching the film air, although any

recommendations in all likelihood are not worth a penny lumonny, but nevertheless i recommend you, go to the cinema. hello, this is the schrödinger's cat podcast, and i am its host, grigory tarasevich, editor-in-chief of a popular science magazine, which is also called schrödinger's cat. and our guest today, andrey sebrant, is one of the first figures of the runet, a scientist, the pushkin institute of the russian language, sent the word of the year, the word neural network, do you agree with this recognition? listen, the word of the year is such a thing, a question of popularity, of course, the word arose a long time ago, those who deal with them are generally somewhat skeptical

about what happened exactly in the twenty-third year, but no, in the twenty-third year it sort of happened mass acquaintance, the technologies themselves, not to mention scientific developments, have existed for many, many years ago, so well, yes, for a person who just reads... the news was definitely the twenty -third year he was hammering this word into him, in fact he was hammering it everywhere in the press, from computer screens, television screens , from mobile phone screens, yes, in this sense, yes, it is necessary is it possible to explain to a wide audience now what a neural network is and how it works? it seems to me that no, oddly enough, because we all use those very same mobile phones and start now to explain, moreover, what is called from adam. there is such a big science, quantum physics solid state , thanks to it semiconductors arose , thanks to the advent of semiconductors, the fact that previously with the help

of large electric lamps, radio lamps it was possible to assemble electronics that were placed there in cabinets, it turned out to be possible to miniaturize to the level of a device in a pocket and at the same time there are transistors, unlike there may be billions of lamps, well, really , no one is particularly interested in this... in general, this whole story is about the development of technology, it is in many ways the story of the implementation of some old, old ones, including russian ones fairy tales, well, ivanovshka drove

around the village on a stove, well, now there’s a different form factor, well , in general, the problem of unmanned vehicles was solved on a slightly different hardware base, not with the help of a stove, with the help of something familiar, well, in general, it was solved. in much the same way, then again in these fairy tales there was a pike, it’s also a problem to talk with some creature, with some kind of entity, even, i’ll say this, and at the same time get some information, perhaps something... then change in the outside world, well, i can talk to a smart speaker, but i have the lights in the house will turn on, a fairy tale that, simply thanks to these digital technologies, has slowly become an everyday reality. but in a fairy tale there are always villains , can it dispel artificial intelligence to become this villain, will a neural network take over the world, will they kill us, won’t they capture us, won’t they kill us

, but what’s so, where do you get such optimism from, you ’re avoiding it now, why are you using the word , which is also almost, well, maybe a phrase from the twenty-third year, artificial intelligence, and with all the claims to this word that i can it will take a long time to explain the entire program, despite all the claims to this word, there is one important thing, it’s really about intelligence, it’s about the fact that we taught computers, there are smart speakers, it doesn’t matter, we taught some devices around us to solve those problems, which traditionally belonged to the intellectual activity of a person, but for some reason, while everyone is talking about tasks, these are intellectual tasks, they start, i don’t know, chess, chess, writing an essay, this is all an intellectual activity, taking over the world... this is not intellectual activity, this is goal-setting, this is personality, this, this is about presence, yes, yes, yes, this is about goal-setting, this is about ethics, this is about morality, about motivation,

all these things are... not about some kind of intellectual actions, they are about other characteristics of the human personality, this shift that is sometimes made, well , for example, in fiction and this is correct, the terminator is not just an intelligent, very powerful mechanical robot, he is also a very unique personality, so he wants to take revenge on someone, someone to conquer, to punish someone, and so on, but these are characteristics of his personality, not his intellect, but so far we have no idea...

emotional intelligence, artificial social intelligence, i would prefer not to look into it simply for the reason that i , despite all my gray mane, am not yet sclerotic enough to forget what they talked about 35 years ago, just when the internet, modem, and my computer were connected to some computer in another city altogether, a wonderful miracle, in that time, of course, there was a lot forecasts, and how many forecasts there were at the turn of the century, that's...

that some kind of machines would appear at home, they foresaw correctly, and indeed the industrial revolution led to the fact that the industrialization of the household happened, only it happened in a different way, that's all the story is that there will be electricity, that electricity will not just be a steam stove in every house, which is still heated by a steam engine, but no, it will be centralized energy generation, it will be power plants, it will be wires, it will even we didn’t expect it to be close. but maybe it will happen that 5 years will pass, and people will say, well, neuroos, well, yes, she can do something, well, she does essays well, well, she translates text, well, what else can she do, so she will occupy her niche something else will appear , completely new, no less amazing , well, i think yes, maybe not in five, maybe in a while, we saw this again with the example of the very smartphones that we have now in every pocket, because when they first began...

to appear, there really was such an aura, here is the reality control panel , i can do anything, i can call my grandmother from the forest, i can watch my favorite tv show while sitting on the train, and it was perceived as a miracle, but it’s normal that we stop perceiving all these things as a miracle literally after several years, and a miracle is something new that we haven’t thought about before, so i think that... if in the twenty-third year it is not to learn the word of the year, then in the thirty-third, well, not to learn, so that the nerates are not seen, well still returning to the future and the world of the profession, ok, we agreed that for now neural networks won’t kill us, won’t take over the world, and armies of neurobots aren’t marching on the kremlin, it seems, but they’ll make someone unemployed, yes, of course, that’s always the perception that someone will definitely be made unemployed, but

then... history always follows approximately the same scenario: it is not the tools themselves that make their colleagues unemployed, but others.

speakers, but now we could afford to launch a service, a neural network translation service, which, yes, with a delay of several seconds, but when it’s an online conference, technically it’s very easy to shift the entire broadcast by a few seconds, then you

actually have everything, even so to speak, the synchronization of a smile from what a person says goes absolutely perfectly, so the story is about the fact that the profession there will be a translator, again she won’t die, but she would have such a very official labor market, but all over the world there is a huge, i don’t know, gray shadow market, this is the writing of various essays to order, from term papers, well , listen, well, still we know there is a certain number of people who are all over the world who...

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india, on the one hand, is indeed moving forward by leaps and bounds and developing advanced technologies, such as digitalization, space industry, on the other hand, the country is striving to return to its roots. it is not that islamic civilization did not deny the achievements of other cultures and civilizations; on the contrary, it actively involved itself. almost all states.

what is connected with people, does the question

of ethical intelligence, moral intelligence arise , because there are different situations, you know, here again humanity, many times it has been faced with the fact that technology poses questions that have not had to be solved before, this is a big creative question , for example, i installed sound recording technology, almost a century ago, around the thirties of the 20th century, there was a story that appeared on... finally a normal working sound recording and reproducing device with good quality, and what was much worse for musicians, the sound track appeared in films , and before that, musicians , en masse, for example, sitting in cinemas providing what we now call the soundtrack to a film, they worked with live sound, a powerful movement arose against what was called very... so in a good evil word, canned

music, but canned music cannot be, this is an attack on culture, because music for centuries, millennia, in fact, is something that is produced in real time by a living human being, like music, you can canned then this canned like- then open it up and lose? in general, we found a solution, oddly enough, because live music has been preserved, that’s another story, you can put on a good one there, i don’t know, turn on a good recording in your smartphone, but you can go to a concert hall and listen to live music as before, that is, it will be approximately the same story, not that everything will be crowded out, but moral problems will force you to refuse, solutions will be found, in some situations, but there will definitely be a person, well , for example, the simplest frontal decision, that in any case, when some decision concerning a person is made by an algorithm , only a person is obliged to consider the appeal,

well, for example, this is the simplest logical move, for example, if we are talking about the legal system, about the police , and not only, not only, look, there are a lot of complaints that oh, what about loans? more and more decisions in the financial sector are made by complex algorithms, but this algorithm, either it’s just poorly written, or it was taught in the wrong way, it can start , well, for example, depriving some groups of people of these very...