an interesting point, your evolution, yes, what topics did you take up, we will definitely talk about it, but first i want to ask about mamonov, how did he even arise, in yours, in your life, in your work? by chance, absolutely, you see , i have this, since it was such a time of perestroika and everything had to be done differently, i don’t need famous actors, because they are known, i need to find some person from there and from life. and i remember that i, in my opinion, it was in the winter, new year's of eighty-nine, apparently i i turned on the tv and saw they were congratulating me on the new year, some interviews already on january 1, i saw mamonov, who was then known as the leader of zvukibu, i don’t really like rock, i didn’t listen to mamonov then, but i saw this exhausted smell, his face is so strange , his voice is so snarling, otherwise... timidity and fury in him, and i

just realized that this is a man of freedom, and i found him, met him, we talked to him , in general, as a result , i persuaded him to act in film, and you know, there is such an interesting detail that brings you together, well, firstly, you are two native muscovites, yes, he is from the koretny row, you are from the arbat, but his mother, a translator, i looked on the internet, from the norwegian language, i know sonya were familiar with ... it was difficult to work with him, you know, for some reason it’s easy for me, but in general they say that it was very difficult with him, but he really stopped drinking and didn’t drink, in general it’s very interesting, of course, that every time we’re with him met, it struck some kind of spark, and you were friends, no, he had no friends, this man with his skin removed, with with naked nerves, he... was

in a state of either searching or resentment or some kind of internal experience, he, for example, could not live in a hotel, people destroyed him, communication destroyed him, when we photographed the king, in suzdal, then - we rented him a separate house, a separate apartment, because to live completely in a hotel, you know, even i understand him too, well, it turned out that you rented him in a taxi, is that the blues? there, well , the nineties, let’s say, yes, then you didn’t film him for a long time, he will only appear in the film, which became, well, probably your most famous film, in the film island, yes, and when you conceived the island, you already knew that there would be mammon there, well, you know, it just so happened that after taxi blues there was no money here , and i, excuse me, for such a selfish question, the prize at the cannes film festival, it’s monetary, no, no, they don’t give there, i

don’t know, a larger distribution, they buy the film in other countries, well, not for me, then i did nothing at all i didn’t understand, that is, someone else made money from your film, of course, i i didn’t earn anything from this film, but that ’s right, maybe because you have to pay for the entrance ticket, but this is an entrance ticket to some major league, it turned out that i could work in france then and somehow lived between moscow and paris and the french. they gave me a little money, however, they have a system of assistance, cinema, oriental cinema then it was called, well, in general, everyone then worked with the french ministry of culture, both my mother and todorovsky, and i somehow lived here and there and began filming french money in moscow, i rented on russian and...

and mamonov began to play in the theater with great success, which means i moved, money appeared here, and the director is such an egoistic creature, where you know, like birds, where they sprinkle millet on the windowsill, it flies there, and i flew here and came across an island, dear friends, we continue, this is a life podcast. wonderful, my guest

is the director, screenwriter, pavel lungin, the island, because the script is not yours, yes, the script, the script, but as it was, first the idea, then the script or or not, i came across this script, which was very much altered in the process of work, i did not put my name, because i usually, because the idea was not mine, but there was a lot of reinvention, it was such a bookish story, that’s how to say, here’s a story that was on a small scale , on a lake, in a forest, surrounded, this was a completely different type, a different type and story. bring this sea there, bring the shore there, this water, this constant wind, it was all perfect, i somehow saw it differently, and this...