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make some efforts that weren’t required, in general it really helped when your wing is on fire, everything is screwed up, oil in your face, and also smoke, there are blows, yes, of course, there were moments when i think you won’t those who were sitting in the cockpit loved it very much, yes, if i may say so, they came out of the image, we could, we had such technology that we could pretty much do it. turbulent planes , this is true, when it seemed to us that there was, no, this never happened with lenna, in no case was slena always there, but when it seemed to us that there was some playfully, i say, we’re shaking the plane, that’s actually physics, that’s overload, it ’s like it’s quite difficult to control, but we tried to build a story about, so to speak, the efforts of concentration.
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to a sea of ​​food, it won’t catch fire, no , it won’t catch fire, no more, but only if it’s a matter of taste, there were also welders asking for help downstairs, it’s an amur tiger, the biggest kitty in the world, and they even love goats, we can let you in there, you can should i click somewhere now, of course, if you click something, maybe something needs to change, we don’t need that now , we’ve almost survived, it’s... right here in the literal
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sense, the end of the world, look how beautiful it is, let’s go, premiere on saturday at the first, rom, castro, product of stellor group, we now with you, dear friends, we are present on the podcast, everyone wants to fly. which is on channel one, and we are talking about the film “air,” which, fortunately, i saw, and you will see on january 18. i assure you, this film is a must see, and i envy those who have not seen it yet, because you will get the mood, the sensations that i already experienced. today we have here the director of the film alexey german and the performer of one of the main roles, elena lyadova. yes, we continue, but it’s just hard physical work. where
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you were filming, i understand the sensations, especially when it shakes, sways, twists, twirls, gradually psychophysically you find yourself in that situation, you can see it in your eyes, it’s not acted, i saw how the shoulder moves, i understood where your hand, but reflexive movements of the head, i was convinced that you were in the cockpit, well, we rehearsed this, we had consultants, we had consultants, we approximately.
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there are more minuses, why? because when we were filming this story, i can set the actor on fire, for example, blow smoke oil, blow smoke oil, this, this, this, this, this is important, plus, so to speak, i can spin the actor, for example, without hand, at a fairly high speed, it seems to me that his blood pressure was 200 when he came out, but he held on very courageously, but he had a moment that seemed like his eyes would burst, and at the same time i understand that i can lower this structure, the artist can rest, and we we can repeat the same story again , probably the most difficult thing was to make sure that all these air battles were photorealistic, so that there was no feeling of computer graphics, we... we have a lot, including in
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the material and filming of real planes , excuse me, i’m generally against computer graphics , you know, but i... spent several years of analysis on the history of aerial photography, i came to an amazing result, which is that graphics are more expensive than filming high-quality aircraft models than filming real airplanes and so on, not only that, unfortunately, the graphics are not always, even in very...expensive american films with budgets of 100 million, sometimes you watch and think, well, this is a cartoon, damn it, yeah, you can see it, and so to speak, in fact, we came up with a rather interesting technology, when
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there are air battles, we first have former air force pilots, that’s all, it was all done on yaks 52, yeah, at maximum speed.
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no, here he is, he’s coming at you, he’s rushing towards you, and at the same time something explodes, and this gives some kind of authenticity, and if... this is an amazing thing that i discovered for myself, just from the point of view of economics, production, launching real planes is many times cheaper than drawing the same thing, just many times cheaper. i understand that this is a profession, but nevertheless, you have never
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regretted taking up this. now i ’m asking about this block that you rolled up. well, i had. moments, and not that i was afraid, but you know, sometimes you come to filming, you are flooded there or something else, and sometimes you think that the strength runs out when you push it, you see, we chose the most idiotically difficult method. to shoot this picture , we recreated all the costumes, again lena okopnaya, the costume designer too, she first created threads, then yarn, from this yarn we made fabric from this fabric using those
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technologies, we restored tunics one by one, we sewed flight suits, but about the same weight that they were, because they are... from the wonderful soviet cinema, for example, the film torpedo bombers, yes, this minimally, unfortunately, there is nothing left of that legacy, because in troubled times it all disappeared somewhere, somewhere, and therefore some few remained, or a remake remained, this remake is visible. and this one was inspiring, well, of course, inspiring, and therefore , when all this, well, very, very difficult moments went on, then of course, then of course i cursed everything, of course, you know, i immediately want to shoot a picture somewhere, you know, in the warmth, so
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say, not not not leaving, not going far on the one hand, on the other hand, challenge big, there was such a good drive in this, of course. to try to make a film when you don’t have, you know, we often watch our modern war films, and you quietly swear when... how do they conventionally appear at the end of forty-one in fashionable or american pilots, which even then, well, kurt, of course, a jacket that didn’t exist back then, or a plane of the wrong modification, or i watched, i recently watched a movie about some fictitious blue soviet secret plane, or when you, when you you see, that means , absolutely disheveled pilots who stand in front of - uh, in front of their superiors, or when you see how from when you see these poorly made, poorly made
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cardboard, falling apart three models from which they make an airfield and it’s all a shame, but we wanted to make sure that we were not ashamed and those who were watching were not ashamed, and accordingly, if there was an option to choose the most not necessarily expensive, but nevertheless choose the most monstrously difficult. decision, then we choose, well, well, which leads to - so that the person does not feel false, we chose this monstrously difficult decision, at some moments, of course, we repented of it, we thought, oh well, why do we need to build so many models, would we draw it with a computer, no, we didn’t draw it, for various reasons, right we built models, did everything right, now on the first channel in the podcast everyone wants to fly. in the debriefing area we have the director of the film air
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alexey german, i am the performer of one of the main roles, elena lyadova, and i, the presenter, leonid yakubovich, preparatory period, it was about 3 years, yes, where was it told, no, well, we, well, how to count, from the date, as it were, how we started working before. because when we first started recreating the yakta, the first plane
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was made with a mistake, it was just shorter, and lena okopnaya is the artist of the picture, she saw it, then we called this plane the good one, and we put it in place, we turned it around specially , so that it would not be visible, they placed the farthest edge of the airfield, which means that then we put the aircraft into production. never ending story, so to speak, there the screws were of that time, so that the self-tapping screws that sometimes fasten something would not be visible.
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we we it, we leveled it at night, the plane accelerated, glided, that is, there was a long story, we placed the engines, we, who had to rotate the propeller, we imitated the engines, well, we imitated the whole cabin, two words, you just touched on, an amazing artist on the film, this is lena okopnaya, as a matter of fact, both the costume designer and the production designer, well, they really did, they did the ear. work in all details, in everything, from the creation
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of a reliable trench, and a reliable suit , and in all its dirt and what really happened, ending with the creation, the creation of a rather large airfield, you are right, because one way or another the eye glides over the little things. and these little truths create the general truth of this whole story, and it can be seen, well, i can tell you that in fact there are many secrets that we...
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matte paint and gloss and semi-gloss and it turned out that gloss and semi-gloss, just if painting it gives a greater feeling weight and naturalness, although there is more of a feeling that it was like this, that is, just even in terms of the amount of varnish, the choice of paint, the choice, the choice of the degree of glossiness, non-glossyness and so on, the feeling of authenticity depends, there were a lot of options for painting airplanes.
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however, this biplane of the legendary aircraft designer nikolai polikarpov was not intended for combat operations, an open cockpit without armored backs, with a low-power engine, whatever they called it, a corn maker, a whatnot, who would have thought, that it would turn out to be indispensable in battle, and its disadvantages would turn into an advantage, i flew on it for three days, as we know, the maximum number of combat sorties per shift they had was about 18. i was completely exhausted on the sixth, in the summer, an open cockpit, an oncoming jet from the engine, from the propeller, i was freezing, and at -25 and the lack of communication in general , there was no talk about mechanics or technology,
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you can’t do anything with the engine with your bare hands in gloves, it means you’ll arrive , jump out of the cabin... the flow of tea is right there in the air, during the transition period, when there is abyss, when it settles no matter what, well, i was so stunned by my feelings that i realized that they were all heroes of the soviet union, every single one of them, so when i looked at the bass, it all shook me so much, you conveyed this feeling in a great way
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human existence in... that means there was a huge decoration work , they developed an airfield and this year the ice did not rise at all, then we built an airfield on our shore and monstrous storms began in winter, all our planes were blown away, and we built a runway, it was flooded , few the fact that we not only have yaks, but in the film, in addition to mr. shmitov, we have two, there are...
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stills that i saw, footage from the filming period, when you very loudly shouted: stop, it’s filmed, the shift is over, joyful , cheerful faces, frostbitten people wandering through a snowy field. colleagues , thank you all, but today the filming is over, it was epic, friends, lunch is announced, and at
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the same time their eyes are shining, from this i concluded that the relationship in the group was probably wonderful, everyone just wanted to film in this film, but but it seems to me that everyone somehow partially understood what was somehow? a link, a paint in some very important matter, and despite the cold, some possibly uncomfortable conditions, well, as for the actors, it was important for the film to take place, it was important for everyone, for us, what lies ahead, well, we are now , so to speak, it seems that with the first channel they should start on an excellent basis... konstantin govolovich one film is big, i haven’t yet been given the command to say what can i say, so that’s why it’s me, i don’t know, but i honestly say
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i finished the air with such a degree of fatigue that , among other things, i would just like to lie down, well, because it’s a lot , a lot of hard work, a lot of hard work, i want to tell you that from our entire conversation i’m not... lying, i can say that i’m overwhelmed with the desire to wish everyone to watch this film, because god knows, it’s worth it, once again, you and i on the first channel in the podcast everyone wants to fly with the director of the film air alexei german with one of the main performers elena lyadova, brother, thank you very much for coming, secondly, and firstly, for the fact that you... i had the opportunity to spend a very good almost an hour and a half there, i enjoyed watching it, well, maybe maybe, because for
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me, i repeat once again, like for you , the war is a sore subject, plus everything that happens to the air, in general, i enjoyed it and i sincerely tell you guys, thank you, i’m here i have it sitting here, i ’ll probably take a look. again, all the best, thank you very much for being with us, in the podcast, everyone wants to fly, i hope that you will get exactly the same pleasure as i did from watching the film air, although any recommendations in all likelihood are not worth a penny, but nevertheless i recommend that you go to the cinema. greetings, this is a podcast chronicling the end of times, and i, evgeny dodolev, will tell you about
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gastronomic corruption in the soviet union, that is, about bribes with food. the fact is that now many people of my generation, both older and younger, very romanticize the soviet era, everyone has forgotten about the total shortage. and often people are dissatisfied when they remember these rather humiliating moments when it was impossible to buy some basic things, including food, this shortage in no way neutralizes or reduces the importance of the social state, which was the soviet union, with its free medicine, with free education, with stability, and i also think that this is what is important to say: what i talk about is always my personal experience, i just talk about what i remember, this is what i drew attention to, what everyone remembers same ones
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same things differently, when i was working on... about perestroika journalism, i was faced with the fact that the same people remember different things differently, that is, the same people, i mean the same age , the same social group, colleagues who worked together, and we are not talking about some , let’s say, well, relatively speaking, selfish moments, no, some completely insignificant moments, well, like what happened on this day it was cloudy, or, someone says, it was sunny that day, the weather was wonderful, or there is this table, it was made made of oak, not ash, well, relatively speaking , that is, some things are remembered completely differently, i want to emphasize again, i will talk about what i remember and how i remember, so bribes with food, actually , when i
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sat down in this chair now, i thought that
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the students of one of the moscow schools who said that their teachers were accused of pedophilia. i met with this teacher, this was the second time the students came with their mentor, there was of course no internet then, that is, i just had to go to this school, communicate with the director, with the teacher, with colleagues , i heard a lot of different things, as a result i made a fairly neutral essay, with the message that in general you can’t accuse without... solid evidence and grounds, that this is how it is, paste from a tube, it’s impossible to fake there turn back, you can slander a person, and then how to correct this reputation, in general, very carefully, because the topic was very dark, although the devoted students, teachers, they were ready to tear everyone down for him, that is, rather there may not be everything
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there was smoke without fire, maybe he once looked at someone... somehow, but in general there was nothing significant to show him, well, i wrote, so on the day the newspaper was published, i came to the editorial office, they tell me, they left it there for you, on my desk , i think, in the newspaper in the issue with this publication there was this stick of servilata and a bottle of cognac, in fact it’s a thank you, a gift, but colleagues for one... what’s up congratulations on your first bribe, in fact, there was a shortage in the soviet union, a shortage of absolutely everything, including food, tangerines appeared, say, only for the new year, bananas and pineapples, some people simply tried it once, two or three times in their lives, there were such formats as trips to moscow for food, for sausage, there
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are entire trains there. were administered in the provinces, people came to buy delicacies and delicacies. there was even such a joke that when we build communism, everyone will have their own private jet, but why is it needed, just imagine, they found out that they threw away a balyk in a koluga, you flew there and did some shopping, bought 10 cans, this is how it looked, that is, there was literally a shortage of everything, including food. therefore , before this, offerings were a very common format in the form of corruption. i remember one episode, this is also from my journalistic biography, when i wrote about the so -called sochi-krasnodar case, this is the case of sergei medunov. well, the investigator called it the case of sergei medunov, because he headed the krasnodar region and was one of the suspects and accused later. so here it is there i drew attention to a number of episodes
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. very interesting, some very clever georgian, he came up with this format of a bribe, that is, he brought a basket of offerings, as if from his, relatively speaking, garden, from his farm, well, they were seasonal there. there are strawberries, gooseberries , honey, churchkhela with pomegranate juice, and it’s like he bought something somewhere, his wife just collected it for him, a bribe for his brother, that is , the person who accepted it, it was, well, it would be easier to measure, well, because well, this is not a bribe, here is a man coming from the house, here he is i grabbed it there, god, it’s not good for us, he has bushes of these raspberries there or strawberry plantations, i would have collected them. that is, perhaps some of those whom he presented with these gifts actually understood the essence of what was happening, but conscience in a certain sense was read, especially since this, again, was not arranged in the form of a classic bribe, that here i am here i brought this basket, and
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the cost of such a painting, by the way, was very decent, it was commensurate with the monthly salary of a soviet employee, at that stage it was the eighties, the beginning of the eighties , in the seventies... this year there was a very loud, so-called fishery case, about abuse, theft and corruption in the fishing industry, in sochi then the director of the ocean store, which sold seafood, was detained, and there too bribes were involved, including caviar, all kinds of sturgeon, this was very, very common, and there were a lot of such episodes, now, of course, when... and we know about some very large-scale corruption schemes, about bribes , which are given there almost not islands, there they are measured in billions
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, if we take it in rubles, then of course these episodes are funny, but i always say that what is important here is not the volume of the bribe, the very fact that if a person accepted as a gift... a melon, leonidovna brezhnev and the son-in-law of the general as yuri mikhailovich churbanov, the husband of galina's secretary leonid lich brezhny, and there they brought him this melon, and he waved some kind of appointment document there, it is clear that it seems that this is not a bribe, but in essence a legal one, yes, it was exactly a bribe, because he received an offering , no matter what... size, as far as i know, now , let’s say, employees all gifts that cost more than 300 rubles, they have to hand them over to some kind of storage facility, because it is believed that this is already it is indecent to take some kind of gift that costs more than 300,
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then there were no such norms in the soviet union, but there were other absolutely amazing norms, i remember my very long business trip. for one and a half, in my opinion, i went to central asia, to uzbekistan, where i worked then, the largest in the entire history of the soviet union, the investigative team of the ussr prosecutor general's office, which was headed by telman kharinovich glyan and nikolai veoniminovich ivanov, investigators for particularly important cases under the prosecutor general of the soviet union, and that is, in addition to some of these episodes of woes.
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i was amazed that, on the one hand, given the scale of the bribe, the size of a melon, there were absolutely amazing standards. the order of lenin was the highest award in the soviet union, it was literally the most prestigious order. so, i don’t know how it was in other republics, but in uzbekistan there was a clear tax, it cost 500,000 rubles. it's a lot, but it's just a lot of machine. rubles, that is , it’s like 100 cars, like a fleet, that is , well, the salaries were, let’s say, in my moskovsky komsomolets - i had the so-called half-time rate, because the rate was 130 rubles. that is, i received 65 rubles a month. and then i
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moved to the body of the central committee of the soviet union, a shift magazine, from this shift i just went to central asia on a business trip, and there my salary was 150 rub. well, it was just considered. very, very good, so - here are 150 rubles and 150,000 and or 500,000 500,000 rubles. that is, you had to work all your life in order to get this. there were a lot of bribes associated with ocean stores, in every major city there was such a fish store and it was impossible to go there to buy, say, black or red caviar, and about this they also joked that why are you there, you don’t have black caviar for sale, no one asks for it, but at the same time this caviar was supplied and sold at prices let's just say, not those that were on the price tags. they paid bribes for this, so that it was
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possible to hide these products; the can of caviar itself was an excellent bribe, especially when it came to relationships with foreign partners. this is a podcast chronicling the end times. i, evgeny dodolev, and you and i today remember how in the soviet union they gave bribes with food. in the early eighties there was a high-profile case, it was called the tregubov case, because it was the name of a moscow official who protected sokolov, the director of the so-called eliseevsky store, deli number one, this enterprise was officially called, 15 thousand people were brought to justice in the case of deli number one, this case was handled by a state committee.
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grishin's ambitions, grishin's ambitions
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, in any case, there was such a version, including in the western press, my western colleague, george krymsky, who, as far as i remember, was a representative of the associated press here in moscow, he wrote an obituary at the end of the eighties, and then there every 3-4 months, just six months he it’s just that... in general
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, brezhny left in 1982, gorbachev came in 1985, glasnost and perestroika began, but for me the fact that the end of times had come, this became a very indicator that i was in 1985 year, i managed to get a job at the moskovsky-komsomolets newspaper with a journalist , that is, to get this id, because i was not a komsomol member, my biography just turned out that way that i was expelled from the pioneers from the pioneer ... organization and, uh, it was at a ceremonial the line was collected in the forest republic pioneer camp, this camp was also , in my opinion, part of the structure of the tskvksm, because my dad worked as a correspondent for komsomolskaya pravda, which was the organ of the central committee of the komsomol, so i was caught smoking portogaz, there were such... cigarettes, very cathedral and i was expelled
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at the ceremonial line, in the morning they assembled the line, put on me a tie, which i did not wear a pioneer tie, well, because they meant that already in the senior detachments it was somehow not a camelpho, then eat this meaning that there were little kids there, in short, they put a tie on me, not mine, because i didn’t have one of my own, and they solemnly took it off there to the beat of drums, they said some words about how i’m not worthy and i ... they just laid down a program that i would never be a komsomol member, i decided that this is how it will be, screw you, i will never be a komsomol member, i didn’t join the komsomol, so uh i’m saying that’s the end uh. times had come in my mind, i realized it when my documents were accepted, and i became employee of the organ of the moscow city committee, mk in the komsomol, as the newspaper moskovsky komsomolets was then called, and before that, not being a komsomolets member, i
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could not, for any bribe, for any cognac or for any sausages, enter the educational institution in which i wanted study, my one way or another he will be connected with the aviation industry with space, so we cannot allow an unreliable person into our eds. the only place where i could study mathematics was at the pedagogical institute. i entered the lenin moscow state pedagogical university at the faculty of mathematics, that is, in the then the system believed that a non-reliable person could not be involved in space or
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aviation, but with children, children, please, for god’s sake. so, that means, here it is. the scale of this case of the champs elysee grocery store, grocery store number one, amazed the imagination of not only my journalists, but also the lawyers also discussed it a lot, out of happiness this scale was postulated by the fact that the kgb security officers, lubyanka, who were involved in this case, they were also settling scores with employees of the ministry of internal affairs, who were very immersed in this corruption topic. and the kgb, in any case, thought so, and even academician sakharov, who was generally a dissident and an opponent of the soviet system, he emphasized that there was no corruption in the kgb, in the state security committee, the security officers, when they started this case, they at the same time not only
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trade workers were made up, but also their competitors and opponents from other law enforcement agencies, including from the abkhss, because, uh, just the abkhss workers, they took bribes, namely, uh, in products, there, of course, there were real ones bribes, that is, these thick envelopes that were brought from sokolov, the director of grocery store number one, but they were also products, because often a person had money, for example, but he could not buy with this money, well, let’s say there is that... that is, you had to know people in order to buy something in short supply with this money, because in the stores, i repeat, there were empty shelves in the same eliseevsky, and in many others, this the deficit was created artificially, precisely so that later it was possible to sell something under the counter
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, it was not at market value, it wasn’t then, because pricing was centralized and prices were simply... set there - once a year, in my opinion, in the month of april prices were reduced there , they were raised for something , always everyone, all of them were waiting for this announcement that from april 1 there would be so much bread there, kefir would cost so much, and so, but the problem was that yes, you could have money, but if you wanted to eat pineapple, or dine on tenderloin, you should have known people, people from, say... a butcher , some person from the meat department , or people in the eliseevsky store who could sell you this pineapple, not at any time, but in principle it was possible, it was possible to get these things, and at the same time very many , there my acquaintances and journalists and
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, in general, comrades, struck the imagination of their foreign acquaintances, especially those coming from the west, by the fact that they could roll out these some unimaginable delicacies, because even now i don’t... i don’t take mine, how much it cost such a small jar of iranian or russian caviar, uh, in the city of london or in the city of new york, but here, at the very least, for some rubles, even if not for those that officially cost, it could be bought, and what is called covering the clearing, uh, bribes with food existed not only in the form actually there, i don’t know this notorious loaf of sausage or bottle of cognac they uh. still existed in the glade format, that is, when a table was set, a person was invited and the person was treated to some kind of food, this did not happen in a restaurant. because, well, that is, in restaurants, of course, this is also happened, but i remember episodes from a variety of criminal cases, including
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the sochi-krasnodar case, when these treats took place at someone’s dacha, at home, a person could taste some unprecedented delicacies for the first time in his life, in my family, since my dad worked in, as i already... said in komsomolskaya pravda, there were things that could be bought at the editorial buffet, and there were all sorts of uh, quite rare things, some for a set of three tin cans, it was elk meat, it was bear meat and wild boar, and by the way, this was done in the soviet union, i don’t remember where, but i remember very well. what it looked like, and i remember that i also solved some of my problems, because it was beautifully packaged, that is, it was such
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a gift set, and i remember that for a couple of moments i was no longer as a person who took a bribe, well, going back to the first episode with the sausage from the kodikom, and as a person who offered a bribe, well, that is, well, that was enough. innocent things, again you could give a bribe in order to buy sunglasses, here these products, and you were sent to where you could buy this or that product for the rubles you had, i don’t know the product, in particular with glasses, i remember exactly that there was such an episode with sunglasses, this is a podcast
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chronicles of the end of times, i... there all this was decided by reader letters, he was an honest, principled journalist, then the letters were not electronic, the letters were just paper letters, the letters department sorted them out, some kind of honor was held there, the lower part was sold and there was a clear dachshund, i think she was in some kind of alcohol measured, to be honest. didn’t dive into these nuances and somehow it wasn’t considered a bribe at all, because again
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it meant, as with the order of lenin in tashkent, in uzbekistan, it didn’t mean that any musical team there or any then the performer, who was simply completely unknown and had not created anything, could come to the editorial office on 1905 street in the moskovsko-komsom, there to bring a box of shavirenna. candy or a bottle of scarce whiskey and get this desired line, no, it had to be more or less somehow it is known that there were some so-called magnetic albums, but in principle they were sold, there was an attitude towards this that now seems completely impossible to me, that is, very condescending, that is, it was considered, well, yes, well, you kind of want to eat there the salary is 65 rubles, here it’s as if it was eaten and then drunk by the entire editorial staff, that is, we were all, in some way, uh, counterfeiters.

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