he quit and didn’t drink, in general it’s very interesting, of course, that every time we met with him, it struck some kind of spark, and you were friends? no, he had no friends, he was a man with his skin removed, his nerves exposed, he was in a state of either searching or resentment or some kind of internal experience, and he, for example, could not live in a hotel, people were destroying him, his communication...

destroyed him, when we rented the king - in susdar, we rented him a separate house, a separate apartment, because to live on his own hotel, you see, even i understand him too, well, it turned out that you filmed him in taxi blues, this is there in the nineties, let’s say, yes, then you didn’t film him for a long time, he will only appear in the film that became , well, probably your most famous film, the film island, right? when you conceived the island, did you already know that there would be mammon there? well, you know, it just so happened that after the taxi blues, there was no money here, and i, excuse me for such a selfish question, the prize at the cannes festival is monetary, no, no, it doesn’t give there i don’t know, more distribution, they buy the film in other countries, i didn’t understand anything at all then, that is , someone else made money from your film, of course.

and posters, yes, but mamonov went his own way , actually it’s interesting, ginkas’s son yanovsky wrote a play, it was called bald brunette, such modern perestroika art, and he asked me to show it to mamonov, i brought them together, and mamonov began acting in the theater with great success, which means i moved, money appeared here, and the director is... such an egoistic creature, where you know how birds, where millet falls on the windowsill , it flies there, and i flew here and i came across an island, dear friends, we continue, this is the podcast life of the remarkable, my guest is the director, screenwriter, pavel lungin, the island, because the script is not yours , yes, script, script, but what was it like, first the idea, then the script, or? no, i

came across this script, which was very much altered in the process of work, i did not put my name on it, because i usually do, because the idea was not mine, but there was a lot of reimagining, it was so literal a story, that's how to put it, here's a story that took place on a small lake, in a forest, surrounded, it was a completely different type, a different type. according to history, to introduce this sea there, to introduce the coast there, this water , this constant wind, it was all perfect, i somehow saw it differently, and this, by the way, is interesting that for a long time our decoration was preserved there, they burned her 2 years ago, yeah, and so there’s some guy who was filming with us, he was a worker, in my opinion, he already... showed her as

a landmark, but we’ll make it worthwhile, and you’ve been taking a long time did you film the island? and i’ve been filming everything for 3 months, that is, it was autumn, from 2 to 3 m, it was almost winter, but we finished. we finished when it was snowing, yes, in general there was a lot of interesting things, there were no frosts , the sea did not freeze, although we filmed almost until december, well, the days there are very short, practically at all there, well, somehow they filmed, damn why , then a flock of such small dolphins swam, whales, belugas are called, you know, white on them, suddenly like pieces of ice, i say, therefore, we went at the end, and the camera was already removed, i couldn’t even take it off, i i would have filmed it, of course, but it was a very happy time on the island, a difficult and happy time, and you expected that this time would be such a success, no, of course not, i thought 50 people would watch everything if i gave birth to it

, no one will marry me, who needs me with a child, no one will take you anyway, it’s written in the family: there will be a child here, a consolation, all your life you will curse yourself that you killed an innocent child, and you how do you know, you’re not an old man, or maybe i killed a man myself, okay, let’s get off our knees, on i need to pray to god on my knees to stand in front of me, because the island is , of course, really, it was something fantastic, it seems to me that the whole of russia watched this film, that’s how you managed to film it, it’s just such a miracle -i don’t

know, somehow, well, by chance, such things, they are not thought through, they somehow enter, a connection of stars, forces, mamonov. the amazing operator andryusha was burning and of course this religious component, yes it is so strong, there was also a consultant as i read somewhere, yes, well, it was already very a wonderful monk, yes, who came to us , well, a young, very kind, very good one who was already acquainted with petius before, in my opinion, he was entrusted with caring for, as they say , all sorts of rock musicians.

well, of course, well, it’s interesting that you , being in general, well, rather a secular person, seem to be invading this territory with your film and it’s logical to assume that church people can treat this at best with suspicion, distrust, and nevertheless , this film was received primarily, in my opinion, it was precisely among the orthodox, among the believing people who really liked it all , we didn’t ask anyone for a blessing, we didn’t show this script to anyone and - in my opinion, it was more likely that ordinary people liked it, then the church had already somehow come, because that i’m not sure what, but the patriarch really liked it, patriarch alexy, in my opinion, alexey communicated with us, yes, he gave us

some certificates of gratitude, it was some kind of bright period, you know, for me i made several films on a high note, this wedding was filmed on such a huge scale. love, and a film about ivan the terrible was made, the energy of love is an island on enormous energy , apparently, no longer on the energy of love, it seems to me that it is quite difficult to watch, difficult to watch, yes, tsar, yes, i just remember my feelings, and you look again, you will be surprised, maybe, i remember, i incredibly liked yankovsky in this film, the way he plays the metropolitan. that’s how much dignity, how much nobility, how much restraint, and mamonova, despite all the fact that i understand that he is a brilliant actor, but he transforms into ivan in such a way that it’s just creepy, it’s too much for me , i had some feeling from this film

that here, according to the poet’s word, art ends and soil and fate breathe, and such soil such, not the best soil breathes and the fate is terrible in general, archaic. he’s a man somehow, that’s why when i was filming the island, i felt in him that he was generally medieval, he was some kind of person, maybe 15, who was brought here, and that’s why. so that he could not live, so he did not know where to put himself, and he was all made up of some kind of muscles, like ropes, you couldn’t see them, but you can see that you know, that’s what the vein is called, he was absolutely light-hearted from medieval attacks of rage and distrust of what , that is, it was as if it was natural for him to play, at first he didn’t even really want to, because after the island, after his wild success... there are grandmothers kissing hands in the subway, you know , hands are flopping in front of him, as if, and he’s a little , he

was like an actor - he flew, he felt himself, but somehow, there was ambition in him, vanity, well, of course, he’s a cuckoo , a real one, he threw everyone out of the nest, it ’s me, me, me, he’s a pure cuckoo, but he himself, we talked about it, he was very funny, he wanted to do this - a performance , even, who would be called i, i, that’s what, a person who tells everyone, i did it, it’s me, it’s me, i came up with it, i, there is an actor without this quality, yankovsky, yankovsky didn’t have it, no, they completely antipodal, i remember yankovsky arrived at the hotel in suzdol, filming began the next day, suddenly he came mammon, but i feel he’s drunk, he’s worried, he’s drunk, it’s not good at all. he came, we were sitting at the table there in this local restaurant in the dining room of this

hotel, i sat down, i saw that i was on the verge of something like this, he said: oleg, you understand, i understand you, i want to understand, and this coolie is looking at the pipe, he says, fuck it, no , oleg, you don’t understand, it started in him... there’s a menacing one from bottom to top, like a hook, he crawled right under him, i want to love you, you understand , love, love me and that's me after 10 minutes of this conversation , i couldn’t stand it and left, but they somehow later agreed, after all, oleg is a great professional, pyotr nikolaevich is still always an amateur, he always walks on the edge of the impossibility of not being bitten by overplaying, but

in my opinion yankovsky is amazing there think that this is his dying role, i thought a lot with him, but how to play a saint in general, the saint is silent, for me this was the image, that ivan the terrible, he is everywhere, he speaks, grimaces, and prays, cries, he above, below, on the side, and in the middle of it, like a column, stands a saint looking with these tormenting eyes on him, and says nothing, he remained silent to me the whole film and this makes an amazing impression, yes, whoever hurts me from watering, do not leave me , your servant, god’s troubled one.

wait, maybe you’ll still have to bow at his feet? but it turns out that for mamonov the film set was not limited to the film set, but he continued to play outside of it. i read somewhere that when he was on the island, yes, that is, his antagonist there was job, yes, whom dyuzhev played, and dyuzhev in some the interview said that he tried to establish some kind of human communication with mamonov and absolutely ran into...

i want to beat you, there were already some kind of iron pincers that were supposed to tear out the internals, it was already there, torture was already flowing from there yes. well, pavel semyonovich, thank you very much, grateful to you for this conversation, dear friends, it was a podcast about the lives of wonderful people, my guest was a wonderful director, screenwriter, wonderful interlocutor, sincere person, pavel semyonovich lungin. thanks, me too it was very interesting.

you see the thing, stanislav, you once said that a hockey museum is necessary, but you criticized it for how it looks, and what has come of it now, why? an unexpected start. for some reason, in our museums they think in two formats, but usually, or these are the old gray-haired grandmothers who collect.

yes, but somehow it didn’t work out until after the war, why? yes, it was such a big newspaper company, red sport is an organ, accordingly, well, i will speak in modern terms, but there is the ministry of sports, then there is this very influential press, which is read both en masse throughout the country and by the entire leadership of the country, and this is the call: let’s play canadian hockey, and this call is made there by a fairly large figure of those years, this is konstantin kvashnin, the captain of the national team. moscow bandy, coach of the moscow football dynamo at the same time, and he explains, since we are now at a new stage in the development of soviet sports, physical education, and we must compete with bourgeois sports, yes, there are a little of their own formulations, with the best representatives bourgeois sports, then there is one sport where we do not compete with them, this is

hockey, that is, it is not popular there, and hockey is already held and the world hockey championships are held, hockey is included. the olympic program , in the ussr there is none at all, but this call actually disappeared, that is, there was a little noise in the press, there were quite a lot of responses, and , for example, this is also almost a new story, literally the story of this year, before that, in my opinion, no one i didn’t publish this, suddenly in 1935 it turned out that in the ussr, despite the fact that there is no puck hockey and never has been, there are already many good hockey players, puck players, like this, from where, yes, from, here... these were all former residents of harbin, that is, they were either former employees of the chinese eastern railway roads, yes, which at that moment we had already ceded, or the children of these employees who moved to the soviet union, who already knew the rules, who had clubs, who already had experience playing in various competitions, we are ready, we are ready to support this initiative, look, we already have the whole country, but there are two dozen

hockey players there, that is, this is the influence of china , yes, this is such, well, now this can now be directly tied to so very boldly. well, what, this is khorbin, but still, although there were guys who played in beijing , including, of course, in university teams, and there were, of course, americans, yes, there were some canadians, there were white emigrants, there were citizens of the ussr , in fact, the fact that there were not only citizens of the ussr there did not allow the harbin residents, the harbin residents, to become the founders of soviet hockey, because it is clear that many of them were simply shot during the great terror in 1937-38 as... japanese spies, interestingly, latvia, as an independent country, began playing hockey pucks even earlier than the soviet union, as far as i know, and latvia and lithuania, i understand correctly that without this influence shai would not have appeared in the soviet union either. well , it would have appeared, of course, it would have appeared anyway, well, or later, much later than it happened, no, no, it would have appeared in any case before the war, until 1941, and if we are talking about winter, about team sports

, the whole country plays bandy, russian hockey, no one calls it bendy yet, men, women, children play, a huge number of teams , this is a very popular sport, there is no ice hockey, that is, these rare publications in the press, actually rare there, well, students at the institute of physical education spent several hours there and... they simply explained that there is such a game, it they play there, there are the olympics, canada, something like that, but there is no hockey with puck, in fact, why after the war suddenly where did it come from - canadian hockey, in general the word sport even appeared - it began to be used in the name of our main sports department only in the year thirty-six, but we have physical education, yeah, we have physical education, we have to to develop mass participation, but in very rude words, no, but at the same time we already have olympic champions in figure skating, well, this is, well , olympic, tsarist time, tsarist time. we

did not compete, we did not participate in the olympics, we did not participate in the championships world in any sport, we competed only with work teams, and we competed so successfully that already in the second half of the thirties we were not interested in them, we beat them, if we talk about football, the scores there were 10:0, well more than cubi. did not deny victory over fascism, we entered the international arena, these new tasks, our new international status, our allied relations with the usa and england during the war,

they gave birth to the idea that now we are not playing around, we are not confining ourselves exclusively to work confrontation, and we must slowly move towards joining the olympic family of nations, then naturally a...

very modest, did not write books, did not give interviews, although he died very late and there it was still possible to communicate with him throughout the eighties , listen, well, you know , a little to the side, where does hockey come from, well , we kind of know that there is only one father, well, in general, biologically, but he may be a father, well, one, that’s where the british scientists and wikipedia there, well, somehow there the broad masses, everyone knows that the father of soviet hockey is anatoly vladimirovich tarasov, of course. you know, a few years ago i was given a recent american book for such an internal review, and which describes how hockey was born in the ussr,

and there is such a wonderful scene there, and tyrant joseph stalin, this is an american book, yes, calls anatoly tarasov , well, apparently to the kremlin, yes, and says: “anatoly, we need to create soviet hockey.” well, anatoly says: yes, he leaves taking the base, and russian hockey, that is bendy. chess and the traditions of russian and soviet ballet creates the original soviet hockey, so once again it means cocktail, ballet, chess chess and russian hockey and benzy, and so this is how this story is usually seen, and chess, well, in fact, they took just three, well, russian hockey is obvious, because we all seemed to be russians, almost all football players at the same time. the sport where

we begin to compete for the first time after the war, that is, on a level with the best american professional chess players, that is, if it had been after the sixty-first year, they would have dragged space here, yes, yes, of course, and gagarin, well, gagarin, then we took him, but we took him after all, and there’s definitely hockey there, well, in fact, of course , listen, well, there can’t be any one father, this is the same, well, look at the managerial process, but in fact, it’s not taras who calls the management there. yes, but nevertheless they say: guys, we need to start a new sport from scratch, you don’t have rules translated into russian, you don’t have what to do play, well, that is, the soviet industry does not produce sticks , no pucks, no sticks, no boards, no, no, no, no goal of the required size, no nothing, yes, but at the same time yes, there are no, practically no people who in general they know how to do it with the rarest exceptions, there are no video tutorials, no books, no

nothing, and this is the managerial task not just to play, yes, but the task was immediately to play so that in some near future you will become participants in the olympic games, not just participants, but also it’s better to win, all this is happening, because ’45-’46, well, this is famine, this is a destroyed country, and although there is a task to go to the olympics, you understand that we have neither artificial ice nor sports facilities, our essentially, yes, infrastructure and money to seriously invest somehow.

cultural education, who knows how to draw up physical training plans, and there, who went through a generally good double school with various coaches, specialists and football in hockey, he led the team rabbits of advice, yeah, here they are these three people , in a sense it’s even difficult to separate them, because it was such a dense cauldron of cooking, an exchange of finds, ideas, yes, they trained on the same ice in the end very often, because there was no other ice in moscow, what influence did vasily stalin have on the development of the game? well, listen, it is believed that sometimes it was not joseph stalin who called tarasov, but vasily stalin, yes, but in fact, vasya stalin in forty-five, forty-six, he’s not even in the ussr yet, he’s still continuing serve, he is a military general, and he returned to moscow only when he was transferred from germany, back here, in the summer of forty-seven to the moscow military district, that is , one championship has already passed, so far one championship has passed, yes,

and the first thing he did was fire tarasov , from tarasov at that time in general, on the other hand, a major general, a military officer who went through the entire war and the son of a generalissimo, what could they argue about? there can’t even be a conversation, in my opinion, no, everything is really simple there, because if you just look at the calendar and look at the dates when stalin returned to moscow and how the football air force played with whom, you can reconstruct it, vasily stalin comes, yes, it’s summer, he’s going to football, the soviet union football championship, group a, air force outsider,

stalin comes to... great, enlightens, tomorrow to first , here is a self-portrait of the artist of this station, this is actually ivan leonidovich lubennikov himself, for him it was a thrill, the scale, the hangar, where all this is laid out on the floor, a lot of students, you give them tasks, this is us

here... for every exhibition a huge amount of his work came representatives of the press, it was a resounding success, no one knew him , popularity came so quickly, the ryaba chicken is quite funny to see in paris, it’s so russian, there’s something very rustic and childish about it, he was like a happy river , a sparkling river, with great sensations, they don’t hit us by chance, it’s important not to pass by so as not to stay. ivan lubennikov, life goes on, premieres on saturday on the first. there is documentary evidence that the red car was not

a red car for a very long time, and the world championship in 1954, our team won in blue, but from what moment did red become the color of our team? well, we had and there were several sets of blue and red then, in fact , well, on... no one focused on the term red, red jersey at all, in friendly matches there were generally different combinations of picks, but that same famous match with the canadians 7: 2, this is bobrov’s blue jersey, it hangs in toronto, in the hall, in the hall, in the hall of fame, here, but little by little, yes, for fifty-five years now, fifty sixth, we have already switched mainly to red, although later there were also white colors, in general, well, we didn’t really bother with this, that is , just red red, because it was not the same color. t-shirts are very common, yes , it came to us from north america, let's talk about it, where did this term come from in general, red communists, red communists, bolsheviks, the red army, and the car, the red car, and the car, well, in general, at first they were just red, well, just retz,

yes, yeah, initially, but the car again is like this, this is marketing, this is the western press, these are completely different times, this is the seventy-first year of centenati retz, an american club, which was nicknamed for the coherence of its actions, for the victoriousness of the red car, just some journalist, canadian, in the seventy-first year, watching the soviet union national hockey team in switzerland, i decided to use this image and transferred why it was not just called big, yes, a big red car, that’s how the whole seventies went, but how in the soviet union they treated this nickname, because a little later, as far as we know, viktor tikhonov said that we are living people, we are not a machine, well, this is generally the eighties, yes. didn’t relate, well, who cared , this is already the eighties, you already know, a completely, completely, completely different era, when we suddenly had a national team in football, suddenly we had some kind of official nicknames, so to speak, nicknames for this there was nothing in the soviet union, and

it couldn’t have happened, okay, please tell me, the toronto maple leaves could have come to the soviet union in the fifties, how could it have been, well this is actually the fifty-fourth year, when the first 8 years of soviet hockey had passed, we first went to the world and european chat in... and we actually won against the canadians with a score of 7:2, yes, the so-called, as it is called, it’s correct to say in english, victory, yes , vodka, vodka, vodka victor vodka, vodka victory, so good, that’s what it was called in the canadian press, well, we now know, this has been such a trend in recent years, we do that with some contempt, yes look at it, just think, they beat a team there, not even a national team, teams from second division of the province of ontario, well, such a suburb of toronto.

officially since 1890, that is, 64 years at that time, we have been playing eight. and the number of skating rinks, both now and then, we have it in 1954, we haven’t even built luzhniki yet, we have nothing, there are only six teams in the nhl, that’s 150 people, that’s the canadian elite, yes, where’s the rest of the crowd? they play, of course, the first, second division, all the lower leagues, this is actually quite a decent level, especially for us, then for amateurs, but the canadians in general were raging about this, some komi reds came and...

stanley, so guys, excuse me, just wait, we’ll finish playing in the stanley cup, then in may it’s calm, we’ll come to you, i wrote a letter, a adventurer, almost to the village grandfathers, here, but they politely answered him like this, you know, may, moscow, sunshine, may moscow, the stars are shining brightly, like the kremlin, yes, there is no ice there, the game, we don’t have artificial ice, in general, not yet, we have so to speak, so stay there in your own way...

real life, but about this officially through i declared to the press that yes, i am ready to bring toronto, and i am ready to punish these upstarts. tell me, please, the seventy-second year , a super series that didn’t exist then, let’s , by the way, explain why it didn’t exist, well, there wasn’t such a name, simply, it ’s late again. csk , dynamo, korolesovetov, spartak came there, and they called it a summit, that is, a summit , like politicians, and there brezhnev meets, i don’t know, with nixon, yes, here are hockey players at the highest level, a summit meeting , in general, these were tvornyaki, according to in essence, legally, these were friendly exhibition matches, well, this is all in mythology, folklore, everyone remembers perfectly well how it was. well, tell me, in your opinion, which is not

the most underrated series, because we played with the canadians very often, listen, i don’t know, this is an interesting situation that can be counted in different ways, but everyone won anyway, they and we, they learned from us, we from them , ah, we played there more often, an important factor, everyone forgets that we almost always played there, the district leaders have an explanation for this, but this all commercial stories, someone had to pay for all these banquets, yeah. as a matter of fact, there was money there, there was money there, but again, why do they ask why in seventy-two you played only in moscow, and where? and you actually have sports palaces in moscow, leningrad, kiev, and do you have hotels in all of them to bring them, i don’t know, to chelyabinsk, yekaterinburg, sverdlovsk, but do you have hotels, and where will you accommodate 3,000 canadian tourists, and do you have planes, that is, flights to the desired quantity to translate all this, and if you have so many secret service employees, police, that... behind this whole gang singing, do you have enough whiskey for everyone,

a lot of logistical tasks that were not so easy in the soviet union in the seventies decided, don’t forget that moscow , in many ways, is modern moscow, hotel complexes, roads, airports, this is already such a product in many ways of preparation for the olympics of 1980, in the seventy-second year, sorry, foreign coaches, when they came to study in the ussr in seventy-three, including fred shiro, the stanley cup winner, they were accommodated for some reason. the soviet union of that super series , they arrived around 3 in 7 , something is known about them that was forgotten here because well, the eighties, everything is clear there already the olympics , it’s all written down, but almost no one ever talks about canadian fans at the matches of the soviet union canadian national team wrote no, why, well, like the best book about hockey published in our soviet union in the

seventies is kentraiden, hockey at the highest level, as it was translated, it’s there in great detail describes the life and morals of canadian fans , what were they doing here, they were walking along red square, marching, shouting chants, buying some kind of hats with badges somewhere, where they managed, so to speak, in the voentorg, well, arbat too it wasn’t , but in modern times. of course, it wouldn’t fit in, but somehow they were generally stationed around moscow, they were organizing a showdown, our fans are in canada, but as for me, here’s how, well, in montreal, someone could come or only representatives of the embassy could come to the game that’s it, some kind of posiya, well listen, even in the eighty-first year a small delegation came to the canada cup.

the company did not have tourism as such, we have a miracle on ice for the us team in the eightieth year, the victory of the soviet union team at the olympics, but what can you call it? a miracle on ice for the soviet union national team, has this ever happened in our history? of course, well, look , it’s 1954, the first soviet team comes to the first world cup and beats the canadians in the decisive match 7:2, when no one around believes in it, yeah, to the point where they say that

the coaching staff, well, in the delegation among the leadership of the delegation, there were proposals not to rely on the match with the canadians, we will lose anyway, it’s useless. let 's save our strength for, because if we lose to canada, we have a replay with the swedes, then a decisive match, an additional match, who will become the european champion, and there was a proposal, some believe that it was tarasov, let's not stop there, let's spoil them, and we go out and win 7:2, well, of course, this is an absolute miracle on the ice, but 1956, the first olympic games, when the canadians sent a much stronger team than in 1954, and we won 2:0. and we become olympic champions from the first go, and forgive me, 73 in the second year in montreal, isn’t this a miracle, an absolute miracle, enough miracles, i wanted to ask you about how and why the era of chernyshov and tarasov ended right before the seventy-second year, well , look, again, well, now it’s difficult

to explain some of these things that were understandable in the soviet union, for example, there is such a concept the olympic cycle, that is, a four-year period, and for the sixty-eighth year we have been olympic champions in grönnobleg.

about malice or something else in relation to either chernoshov or taras, in fact they left on their own, perhaps they, listen, well, people by that moment had spent such a huge life in hockey, they had won absolutely everything in amateur hockey, in fact first, they, of course , could simply be tired, they could simply want to rest a little, there was a very difficult world championship ahead in prague, which was not easy for us. seventy second year, literally 3 months after 3 months you need to regroup, and play the olympics, when the hockey players are already emasculated, you understand, yes, the main goal of the season has been achieved, in prague against a very strong team and a team that is against you, and the team, the stands , and in general everything

was sharply aggressive, political , as they would say, provocations were possible, that’s why, well, in some ways it was a logical decision to take... puchkov, coach of the leningrad ska, when they already said tarasov chernyshov wanted to make an attempt to return, well, it was already late, but there are also more evil versions, for example, people who still worked in that hockey industry in 1972 told me that there was such a tradition...