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when trying to read in the east - christian classics of christian traditions , japanese culture is precisely the culture, i apologize, this is a classical culture of shame, when my, my behavior is determined by external factors, and russian culture we say that after all, victims of humility, these are probably categories maybe a less implanted, less understandable intra-chinese culture, confucian indeed, than intra-japanese, i don’t know, these are slippery things, i wouldn’t risk getting into them, as far as cinematography is concerned.
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dostoevsky, yes, that is, the connection with tragedy, with tragedy as a dramatic genre, was obvious to those who tried to read dostoevsky from within such a symbolic paradigm; experience shows that in fact he is one of the most staged authors in the theater and cinema. let's go big on the classics. bertolucci, patna, he puts on a double. unique, experimental. thing where dostoevsky connects with arta gadar, yes, gadar, creates his own film of the year sixty-seven, based on demons, where he shows the group there young movaists, sympathetically shows , yes, for them this new nechaevism is him, he perceives them ironically, but for him it is a natural, generally expected challenge, which should lead to the undermining of this terrible bourgeois society, right? which
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has come to its self-denial in the broad sense of the word, a bourgeois society of complete, understandable, intelligible values, including, say, soviet socialism, the specificity of dostoevsky, that he leads very different sides with his different texts, you know, and in general the perception of him in russia in the west is also different in terms of which texts become the most influential, i would say that in the west these are still notes from the underground, notes from the underground rather than his great novels, so i immediately did. europe and america, a huge number of authors, so that when lena talked about what she was creating, i thought that it would be such a thin book, look at some volume, and there really is a huge number of texts, it turns out that this is real an incredibly popular text, but also an idiot, so you said verificationism. i probably thought
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yes, an absolutely wonderful novel , which for some reason is not very well known among us, this is erodevai in christ, this is just such a remake of an idiot, ekaterina evgenievna dmitrieva, vladimir vladimirovich polonsky, i am vladimir ligoido, today we gathered our thoughts about fedor mikhailovich dostoevsky’s influence of his work on the culture of the 20th century. if you like to gather thoughts with us, you can find all episodes of our podcast on the website of the first channel. 1tv.ru, you know , let’s go back to cinema for a second, if, of course, there are film adaptations, there are brilliant readings, like kurassawa’s, yes, but i suddenly discovered that there are traces of dostoevsky, yes, i don’t know , there are cinematic children, yes, as they say, about literary children , where this is not a film adaptation, i talked with john luenfeld, this is one of the translators of pushkins, modern american ones, and i don’t remember something, whether it was him.. ... in general,
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in short, lieutenant columbo, this series , and he says, well, this is porfiry petrovich , uh-huh, here i finally understand why i adore the series about lieutenant columbus so much, because everything there is according to the scheme, so you killed yourself, yes, this, this, this is interesting, because there is probably a lot of this in cinema too , and in literature , in culture in general, not indirectly, so to speak, yes, this is such a manifestation, it’s just interesting... i never thought about columbus, they paid attention, i understand that you can’t argue, well, just indeed , probably the most successful, if you can call it that, dostoevsky’s film adaptations, this is not direct film adaptations, precisely where dostoevsky becomes the occasion, or dostoevsky’s text, and where on this basis something is created, well, like kurasawa’s, in general, is very important, this, by the way, is very interesting, because attempts to film, how to correctly reproduce dostoevsky, russian life and so on, they already...
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mutual reversibility of the poles, that is, it is russianness that allows you to expand the horizon, up and down, and opens up to paradise, this is such a sublimation. side of mystery , so it provides it, the metaphysical man of the 20th century is revealed in western man thanks to, thanks to dostoevsky, but doesn’t it turn out that in addition to this, there is a narrowing of even those heroes and characters that dostoevsky has, well, in the same american literature in some heroes, including the authors whom you have already named today, yes, well, they are becoming very flattened. somehow in comparison with the heroes of dostoevsky, well, in general, you can say so, as you think , well, this needs to be said specifically, well, let ’s say, let’s say, the same selenger, let’s say, the same faulkner where, in general, the characters,
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it seems that despite everything, so to speak, in this sense , you know, the main difference between dostoevsky and western authors is that western authors are still always focused around... there is one character, there is one theme, and there is here, well, some kind of teleology, where is this going, dostoevsky’s corridors are so different, they used to say about walter scott that walter scott’s novel, you walk along the corridor and go into all the different closets there, that come across along the way, but in general, dostoevsky has this to a much greater extent, and this is probably something that neither sellinger has.
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put a lot of your own in there, without which world culture is already unthinkable, yeah, really, i still want to discuss one twist, i formulated it, maybe you will not agree with me, as the pseudo-heirs of dostoevsky, and for me , if we take not literature, freud is such, because what freud reads from dostoevsky, i absolutely agree with vladimir weedle, who writes in the dying of art, this is what i understand, around the time he writes, it just came out, which means work. yes, and he is for me, i have this quote, but i won’t waste time where he says: psychoanalysis is powerless against the karamazov brothers, well, because it comes down to this, it is clear that this is the desire to kill the father, from which means the novel grows, according to wedley in freud’s interpretation, and he
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ends this emotional passage of his, so anti-freudian or anti-freudian, probably more accurately, with the phrase psychoanalysis is powerless against the brothers karamazov dostoevsky, somehow this resonates very, very much with me, that you do you think about this, he appreciated dostoevsky, but he is not concerned about literary writing, but he is interested precisely in what he can read, he even said that he was losing all his ability to sympathize, wasting it on and he said that no matter how highly he does practical work with pathological consciousness, as a doctor, and even he is not enough to appreciate this in art, but at the same time he called the karamazov brothers the greatest novel of humanity, he writes brothers for translation.
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i don’t know freud of marxism, there wouldn’t have been a big world european cinema of the sixties and seventies, there wouldn’t have been gadara and bertalucci, already mentioned today, and so on and so on and so on, this is a very important, very complex line. you don't have to love freud, but without freud there is no 20th century, and there is no freud without dostoevsky, by chance, let’s say, döblin called dostoevsky the immediate father of freud, his most direct predecessor, thank god that there were other children, so let’s say, so let’s say, well, you know, i in conclusion, this is what i wanted to ask you about, since i proposed such a subjective approach, but if we talk about who, in your opinion, and partially, maybe the answer has already been heard, but still for you...
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and thomas man gives this famous speech with the article dostoevsky measure there he afraid of dostoevsky’s telurism, his spirit of the soil, everything that for man still rhymes with the scary recent experience of his native country, here this is a dramatic dialogue of the inner writer who is deeply dependent on dostoevsky at the same time, well, by the way, this is paradoxical , and maybe not quite paradoxically echoes that quote. which we started, because there you can’t write this, and in general it’s clearly dostoevsky, but it’s expressed in a moderately different way, but it also sounds, because syusak enda shared in general
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of all the writers on those after whom you want, you begin to write, plus those who gravitated towards the first, but all the greatness of dostoevsky was so beyond his measure that he could not write anything after him, when in the thirty-first year it was published france is the first such large, extensive biography of dostoevsky, you can conditionally call it scientific, its author was -
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there are also multiple ones, but i don’t know, i have the same karamazov brothers, they end on such a sublime note that i completely agree with you , you know, allow me to share my youthful experience, in my youth i read the great pentateuch, simply headlong and more than once, and one thing did not let me go, for me there was a real world, uh-huh, these fevers, these convulsions, that’s all, that’s it this was the real world for me, what was happening around was not quite real, there was a similarity,
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there was real, so to say that stoevsky is soulful, this, this is also not for me, how much of everything we have left, i also had an analogy in the stash here of an orange with zen buddhism, where he says that yes , reading a novel, yes, as he writes dostoevsky, he sees direct analogies with buddhist enlightenment and so on, but, probably, we’ll leave this for next time, with great gratitude i want you again to say thank you very much for this wonderful, unfinished, let’s consider the conversation, ekaterina evgenevna dmitrieva,
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my little son, dear, beloved, i love you more than anyone in the world, you are the most dear person i love, and she somehow mocked you inhumanely, i took it and started washing it this rag, he started to beat me with a rag, then this guy beat me without shame, he disgraced me there, a woman with moles, my mother just has moles on her face, unfortunately, i don’t have one, but it’s easy to fix, that is, you’re right at this stage already ready, yes, yes, yeah. beautiful, ksenia, you’ve been looking at yourself in the mirror for a long time, well , several times every day, what’s wrong with you , i’m naturally a very temperamental, hot-tempered woman, well, i believe , i’ll correct it now, even for some, look, from the outside, cry look what i have here for you now let's end the scandal, meet the second
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i would like to give you such small belarusian gifts from my fatherland, i am very glad to see you, i always admire your creativity, your charisma, i wish you health, strong, belarusian, young daring gait, this is for you, thank you, thank you, i admire you, it was very interesting to come in, plus more gifts, but very interesting.
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i gave some consultations and prepared for my classes creatively , there was such a need, because there was not enough money or i was greedy for knowledge, there are simply people who love to study, i love to study, i am a lifelong student, i have a thirst for knowledge. everywhere, everywhere, i infect students with this love, well done, a very rare type of woman, i like her, she was made up very well and successfully, in general, in principle , her whole image goes with her dress.
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that's all, and i turn into an ottoman, into a sofa, which, if it needs something, then please find it for yourself, money, time, and i start to work more, and well, and at the same time the child, i spend quality time with him during the day, you then already began to guess that he might have something on the side with the very woman to whom he opened the door, no, not on the side, they had official issues, they know, i i’m sure... i know, but she had a young man, they never bother anyone, one young man man, and two doesn’t interfere, why didn’t he provide for her, why did she have to earn everything herself, why did she have all the burden... was on her shoulders, i realized later that he didn’t seem to care what i looked like , what i eat , where i am, where i am, he just doesn’t care , i’ve become a comfortable ottoman, which, well
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, please, here, go about your business, so you decided to get his attention, and i decided to get his attention, and it turns out, so we went to minsk, you decided to become bad, that’s it, we left for minsk and i i find out that we need to return. because filing for divorce, that is , it was such a cold shower for me psychologically, i don’t understand why, what’s happening, i’m already in such a state from insomnia and from stressful situations that the ground is in the porthole is visible, so yaroslav and i are returning to orsha, filing for divorce, but this day, on this day i understand that i have floated, that is, my carpet has floated in my parents’ house, you know, i haven’t was... such an opportunity that they would come to me and say: we’ll take the child for a week, go and sleep for a week, or come with me, i ’ll take you to a specialist, yes, take the pills
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, get some sleep, calm down, i didn’t have that, i feel sorry for her if honestly, but it stung , this is not a feeling that needs to be conveyed to someone, but it doesn’t fit why, because she’s actually quite like that, well, as if she’s strong-willed, that is , she’s not a gray mouse, so you’ve become bad myself. what did you do to get his attention, i'm like, well, i know we're getting a divorce, he's on me spent one suit there, bought one, once took me to mogilev for an mri of my lower back and knee, and i was like, well, he seems to have a lot for himself there, he also bought everything for the house, for the house, and yaroslav and i are already moving, i guess i’ll sell this, this, this, so that we can move, and with yaroslav, well, if he doesn’t give you money, you had no other choice.
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hit you when you were talking about divorce? because that on the day of the divorce i was happy, contented, dressed up, she did not understand this. that is, it is normal for you that a mother would raise her hand against an adult woman, the mother of a child. larisa, this is not normal, not normal. you know, i love her very much, but she has her own experience in life, i don’t understand this at all, poor girl, it seems to me that she went through a lot in her relationship with him, and is still going through it, it didn’t occur to her mother it’s time to say, anka, i don’t like you, daughter, especially these stories of yours, the carpet floated, that’s all, let me take the child for a couple of days, get some sleep, daughter, or come to our house, just eat, lock yourself in the room, here’s the list. as much as you want, as much as you want, baby , because i see how you’ve been driven, i see how everyone has driven you, baby, because you’re 300 years old, you don’t need these courses, or
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what you’re doing. you work at night, well, to catch up with yours and overtake him, to match him, and you’re just a baby, you need to sleep, mom never said, no, mom, well, you know, she helped from time to time, she came, yes periodically, that is, well , she also wanted, well, her life, because she, too, from bread. who has friends with small children, don’t come with a cake and steal time from these friends, they will never refuse you , just come and just say there, wave, go, go to the bedroom and sleep, i’ll sit with your child, it’s cooler than the cake, than yours... they prescribed
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- yes, these are pills, antidepressants , probably antidepressants, yes, i have, let’s say, a family that supports me, even if i’m alone, they will help me raise child, what kind of incriminating evidence did your husband collect on you, why? well, on the day of filing for divorce, i was dressed up, champagne, photo shoot , a photo with champagne appeared on social networks, he had already started saving it, we were in the goyim, selling a car that... was registered to me and in which we are together they started working, and i lay down on a chair there, well, you know , i lay down so freely, frivolously, he was already filming me, then yaroslav and i were also going to minsk, when i was packing my things, there was such chaos, and he was filming it too, he came home filmed this, and you were seven years old or he was older than you, no, he was 4 years older, what a terrible, pathetic, vile person, and he didn’t
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understand that you were one of the shasans? you jump to comply, to prove , to shout, to get through, that this is what he was afraid of, he was afraid of losing his status, job, career, he was afraid that it would come out for him somehow , that i would prevent him from doing it somehow, how could you interfere, tell me, he is very dependent on the opinions of his parents, on the opinions of others, what they said, that is, so am i i understand that they are very financially greedy.
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i’ll call, i’m like the police, yeah, that means these are these threats, some kind of dripping, yes, if you don’t calm down now, i ’ll identify you now, but i kind of hit myself and well, i say, okay, ok, so i go to the police and say that my husband did this, she gave herself bruises in order to write a statement against her husband, but this is also some kind of thing.
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glory, and i imagine what might happen to me, i call a taxi to the balcony, the taxi arrives to the balcony, this is the first floor neighbors, i’m already leaving the balcony from the first floor, she hands me the child, and comrades come, comrades come, take away the child who could not, they intercepted you on the balcony, yes they intercepted, they take away the child who is mute screams, here comes...
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psychological trauma. and what did mom say? mom said, well, take your pills, don’t worry, take your pills, you don’t have to worry, you don’t need to. what did the mother say about the child? about the child? well, she said let her be with him? yes, when, when i left hospital, a trial was immediately scheduled to determine the child. and i come to court, and he shows photographs of me with a glass of champagne, where i am lying in the traffic police. on the chairs where my things were scattered when we were going to minsk? i know what it is to systematically persecute, so the fact that he dragged a bunch of photographs of you, but i still want to ask, your mother didn’t fight for you, so to speak, fight for the child, yes, she didn’t, she said , he will be fine there, that is, no, well, i left, i learned to live again, it was all with my mother, she said, mother did she support you, feel sorry for you at that moment, or
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did you feel it? well, look, if you were hired by a college to work as a teacher with children, then everything is fine with you, everything is fine. the diagnosis is either unconfirmed, or they wouldn’t have taken you, a medical examination, a medical examination was passed before going to the children, otherwise you would simply be a danger to the children as a person, i adore them, they adore me, you always live with us now with my mother, yes, at the moment i live with my mother, but when i left the hospital after i was filming apartment and lived in a rented apartment, do you want to continue to fight for the child, how long have you been? haven't seen each other, larisa, now yaroslav is 3.5 years old, i've been here on weekends for a year and a half, tell me, anna, if you take him, you have a place to live, you have something to support him, i'm working on it, i'm working around the clock,
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now i’m working around the clock again, don’t sleep again, no, i’m sleeping, i have my vitamins , which allow me to rest, yes, dull my norepinephrine and some kind of elevated one, so i’m working around the clock and having fun, enjoying working in... college, working with students in teaching english, online classes, students all over the world, her child was taken from her, her son was taken from her, his son was also taken from him, and his son too, i hope they find a common language, help each other, you don’t want more children, i want, i want, but do you think that you can handle it if i have such a reliable shoulder, support, support, if all this is done? no, a woman should give birth to as many children as she can raise alone, if something happens, and she never hopes that if it happens men, and if he gives it to me, then i will give birth, no, this is if you are strong, if you have a good job, if you already have
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a place to bring this child from the maternity hospital, only then the world is so complicated, that is, you give yes, i am working to fulfill my functions in the future , including childbirth and... damn, honestly, i don’t understand why she agreed to such a role, to such a strategy, if this is her only option , then of course yes, do you like victor? yes, he is very sweet, kind, you are not, no, not scared
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in general, everything that was told here, thank you very much for what she said, i said it, my sister is in shock, yes, i’ve already lived it myself, i’ve already. i look at it from the outside looking at this experience, apparently, which was supposed to be, i don’t know, because i know what it’s connected with, with what, because it seems to me that everything fundamentally goes back to childhood, and if my dad was such an authoritarian, if my grandmother worked for 40 years in the zone as an accountant, and i spent my childhood there like a snowflake with the military and then i don’t understand how i ended up marrying a person who is hidden, who has hidden... aggression, hidden, i know everything about psychological manipulation, now everyone knows this, yes, she is emotional, she is bright, she glows, that’s what you think, 28 is what age, this little, a lot, 28
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is a good age, a good age, yes, well , it seems to you that you are still young, but very young, yes, it seems to me that i am still young, young, that i am not yet, i have not seen love yet , you really want to get married, well, i wouldn’t say so. my last question, well, i won’t take a drop of myself somehow to give, it’s not convenient to become understands, laris, well, specifics , what is it, let me ask you, for example, i cheated in a new marriage, i won’t, you know, there, i drank, i won’t, well, that’s what i did, and i did everything, and now i won’t, anechka, then you’ll be ready for a surprise, tell me, are you ready now, okay, yes, ready, now, we can go, oh, i need to warm up a little, she’s positive, damn, really, if only i had such a background was, i would, i probably wouldn’t
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leave the house, i told us, i said everything in every girl. there is a terrible power, i can to be gentle and rude, the soup itself is clever, i told us everything, every girl has a terrible strength, i can. be gentle and rude , kasam straw, kasam sobvama, kasa, you charge everyone with an example, because there is more strength than in amperes, but from the ship you are to the galleys, but there is no king without a queen, tying your baganna over your eyes with a crimson buzel yes... what a smooth lighter, wow!
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what does it do to me, thank you very much, you dance very beautifully, thank you very much! thank you for your courage, for your openness. thank you, anechka, go to your room. song fits the character, dress and dance, everything is beautifully chosen. pavel, what do you say? most likely, this will not suit victor now, he will not be ready to somehow, so to speak, restore it. to help him, that is, it’s as if he himself doesn’t have this resource, he needs some kind
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of calm now, understanding, he needs the same partner who will support him now, because his situation, well, is not the simplest. natalya, you are an adult, what did you think? but i want to say that she is very sweet, beautiful, young i’m 28 years old in a relationship, morally so easy, feminine, very impressive, but i’m not ready for a new relationship at all, this is my opinion, maybe i’m not ready for a relationship, what about you? i liked her as a person and well, in no case do i want to judge her in any way, everyone has their own destiny, everyone lives their own life, we don’t judge here, god forbid, this is not called a program, let’s judge the one who sits next to you, it was nice to talk with larisa, she is so wise, so deep, i am very grateful to her that we had this dialogue, the girl has suffered a lot his own life path, so...
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good afternoon, my name is tamara, i’m from the city of yalta, a heavenly place, a paradise princess , tamara, i’m very glad to meet you, thank you for coming, let’s go, okay, okay, can you, tamara, 24 years old, medical receptionist at a sanatorium , enjoys baking cupcakes, makes delicious coffee and expertly gives massages. be proud that you have never painted hair, dreams of having bats, admits that he can seduce any man, the lover often confessed to tamara that he had debts, borrowed 500 rubles from her and disappeared into the fog, good afternoon, hello, well, dear girl, here are the flowers, by the way, i noticed that she has the most gorgeous bouquet, and why not me, the dress is also quite cute, but why do you need bats? yeah, let's just say, since childhood i had
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various exotic animals, it was interesting, i had rabbits and a hedgehog, and let's say so, we have bats in the crimea, as if they were at night, in winter, i come across them, we warmed them up, very interesting and cute creatures, they love fruit, why not, bats, what the hell are you doing. i would just take a photo with them, maybe touch them, why have them, so that they just fly around your room? tell me, where did you meet such an honest little guy, did he immediately meet you? warned that he was completely in debt, yes, he warned immediately, as soon as we started communicating, that he had debts, but let’s say, about a relationship without obligations, he didn’t mind, and in general, neither did i, but explain what a relationship without obligations is, that is, let’s say, your eyes on the contrary say that
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you don’t mind, yes, well, yes , we just, let’s say, talked, spent time together, absolutely, let’s say so. and he also looked at the children, and how he approached the children, how he began to communicate with them, this is where you worked, yes, where i work, they allowed me to come there, he was also an employee there, and what, what did he what kind of employee was he doing, he was gifted by a nanny, let’s say, a teacher
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, but there was no one, he worked part-time, helped, and we played together, spent time in a group, yes, where with the children, man, and you yourself, why not, well, that is, i adore children , the man also adores children, finds a common language with them, it’s immediately obvious that we have common topics for conversation, that is, right away , as soon as he approached you then, where you were , it was obvious that he cared about the children, he he just took out
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of story, she i borrowed 500 rubles from a man and broke up with him after this relationship, in fact this is the right thing to do, i wouldn’t even... plates, spoons, glasses, iron, pots, pans, my own knives, my own coasters, everything is discreet tones and environmentally friendly, and will move a new house only with your own. “the car will be assembled for sure, there’s a whole trunk , yes, yes, well, that’s it, you don’t even need to go to the store, everything is already ready, tamara, you have parents, mom
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, you have a good relationship with your mom, very much, we get along fine, she supports me , if necessary, he will help, we have a fiancé, he wants a lot of kids, you’re like, i agree with a lot of kids, i definitely want at least three, that’s all.” but i have a dream, i have an absolutely standard dream, let’s say, to save up for my own car, to travel further, to get to know our history, travel, travel , first of all, of course, create a strong family, a big, strong family, support them, help completely for...
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any man, listen, well, tell us at least one trick, or better yet , show us, to be by itself, the most important thing is that it will go on as it goes, comrade, and show me a surprise, i will show you, but for this i will need victor, she will either sing, as it seems to me, or she will prepare some other competition, for some reason it seems to me that maybe she knows how to cook, because she has some disadvantages i need to fill it in with something, come on first, please show me how. this hole, yes , oh, this is a surprise, what are we going to do,
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you were jumping, and my head was spinning, thank you very much, tamarochka, oh, well, tamarushka, she is such a sweet flower, petal, so charming, pavel, what do you say, she everyone understood the mood, it seems to me that everyone immediately became so smiling and happy, but it seems to me that she is very young, to be honest, just somehow. it was as if she didn’t understand life yet.
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