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yes, a children's fairy tale, an adult fairy tale, how urban myths are born, how they transform into some kind of fairy-tale narrative, and so on, and 2 years ago, for example, we turned to folklore expeditions to the far north, and studied, this is nikita’s part , by the way, yes, it seems we are there too, of course, but what about nikita, what is it, yes , yes, yes, yes, and of course we researched
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that foreign exotic things are not just in the americas, where the indians are, but here nearby under sideways, and this is someone else’s, it was constantly appropriated, but in the form of a collection of fairy tales, songs, publications of texts, the brothers grim, yes, they used very similar things, yes, collecting some individual texts from all over germany, which later became a national fund, and literature, folk literature, first of all, this is the realization that there is no there is something alien , here... this is the first illustration for
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some famous tales, well, in general, bozhov is the mistress of the copper mountain, this is a malachite box, but these phrases are well-known, here it is the malachite box, these phrases are known even to those who can maybe he doesn’t remember that this is bazhov, danilo the master, danilo the master, of course, but it’s a flower and so. stone flower, right , yes, thank you, our post-folklore, this is post-folklore, yes, we may not remember, by the way, which is correct, folklore or folklore, folklore, folklore, but i’ll try to remember, i say every other time, daggers to my heart, daggers, russians are not very cool, as we exposed a large-scale tsepso operation with the help of which they wanted to discredit russian missiles and quarrel us with china, they pass off any source in hieroglyphs as the official point of view comptia of china, a few comments, except for
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klitschko, no one has intercepted the dagger yet. we are the only country that has hypersonic weapons in service, these are the zircon and the dagger. and how did the un have to admit that russia was right? it turned out that the kiev regime was de facto, and deyura put himself in the dock. antifake, premiere. tomorrow on the first. it doesn’t happen that a person was in your life and then he disappears, even if he dies. she almost doesn’t recognize this girl as the child she was 5 years ago. i lost my dearest mother, i don't i think that without her, i have a pile of memories, but this is my mother, yulia nachalova died very young, at 38, leaving her beloved daughter, vera, to her parents and ex-husband. i said that, unfortunately, i have very difficult news for you, that mom is no longer with us, what he experienced at that moment, that evening, he, only he knows, is a big responsibility, telling your child that he mother passed away. how
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i always remind our interlocutors, on the other side of the screen or headphones, that we are talking, first of all, at that time there were never electronic media, and you could always remember what color the book was and what... thickness, student can’t always answer, but what it was, an article or a monograph, i don’t know, he can’t find out from anywhere, the collection of pyotr vasilyevich kireevsky was not very thick, but large format, already published in soviet times, in four red volumes, good, good, well, there were fairy tales by alexander nikolaevich afanasyev, yes, that is, the same principle of collecting and expedition about pushkin’s fairy tales, of course, too, in general, this next question, right .
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let us now, on this basis, return to pavel petrovich bazhov, whose anniversary is 145 years since his birth, and how he worked here in a different context, because well , the literary fairy tale is also a fairly common phenomenon, and even a fairy tale, a fairy tale about the tula oblique lefty and liskov’s steel blade, there is the word skaz, although probably in a different sense, how did bazhov work? pazhov was one of those people who combine in himself, like the serpent gorynych, three chapters: a collector, a researcher, a writer, dangerous judgments, and even a storyteller, yes it ’s called, but that’s another story, well, three chapters, yes, yes, yes, that is, he really knew first-hand the life and
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but at the same time he refused authorship for some time, but i’m hiding behind the figure of the narrator, and well, in general, it’s interesting here , it seems to me the most interesting question for me personally, what incredible popularity these tales began after the thirty-sixth year, when they appeared and in general they were written in 1936, in a very difficult time and for bozhov, who was expelled from the party at that moment. in general, i was in a precarious position and, in general, it was a very difficult time for the country, and of course they were read thanks , of course, to the patronage of dimyan bedny, who raised these tales, in general, even defended them at some point, then of course the popularity was incredible, probably this an appeal to such primordial forces of the earth, and defenders, indeed some forces more powerful than any modern ones.
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and even and even to your ancestors, to your grandmothers, grandfathers, what an incredible interest in this there is now, and we see it in tv series, we see it in movies, that’s where everything comes from, it turns out, yes, well, yes, well , apparently at some point when, again, these need some other defenders, difficult times are needed, some supports are needed, well, indeed in the thirties there was a struggle with local history, we remember this, which is after the twenties, when he first appeared, of course, sigurtovich schmidt, our , legendary teacher of the russian state university for humanities, not
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only talked a lot about this, local history was considered so harmful because it works for mysticism, firstly, secondly, for the regionalization of the country and so on and so forth, so it was a problem, is it possible to do this, these are all bourgeois things, yes, the grimney brothers were accidentally mentioned, we understand that there was general interest in folklore in the 19th century. arises at the beginning of the 19th century in the era of romanticism, as a movement to the roots , to the foundations of the nation, the word of igor’s campaign on the one hand, as our national epic, on the other hand, kireevsky’s songs, i’m dmitry bak, we now have another episode of the podcast, let don’t talk, let them read, and we talk with nikita petrov and daria peglova about pavel petrovich bazhov. well, i think it's about time. go to the author's section , our regular interlocutors know that in
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the middle of our program there is a presenter's section, and i do one of three: either i read a poem and somehow analyze it, or i read some quote from the classics, or i just i’m showing an old book from my sometimes peredelkino library, but today the book in my hands is not old, it’s one of bozhov’s modern editions, and that’s of course. more, some kind of massacre of people happened here, katya’s old people both died, she
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has a big family, three brothers married before sisters, a married man, there was some kind of quarrel between them, i’ll go to danilushkov’s hut to live, the guy has become completely old, even if i follow him, an insertion from me, that is, she never married anyone else, and her fiancé disappeared and went to live with her failed husband. father-in-law, prokopyevich is not a stranger to me, adoptive father, my danil, so she left, thank you , says katenka, that they remembered about me, so they began to live in prokopyevich’s prison.
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this is still felt in yekaterinburg, and chelyabinsk, which is industrial. centers, on the one hand this is such industrialization, on the other hand there is a special industrialization, not like in kuznetsk, for example, what mayakovsky wrote about, there is a city there, in 4 years there will be a city here garden, lips turn black from the cold , but lips whisper in harmony, in 4 years, there will be a city garden here, this is also a spoil from nature, uh, here are some things, but here are stones, this is an important point, semi-precious, as they are called, officially , yes, there are quite a lot of them, they are only here, it turns out, well, the scattering of these stones , yes, indeed, this is the wealth of the urals , as, by the way, are some apt words, yes, that bozhov includes there, which he frames like these very stones , yes, with my own tales, you know what else came to my mind, sorry, i’m a little back, it’s not surprising that this is exactly what was found at the demidovs’ plant
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how many stones were brought from the urals , i’m suggesting a theme for the new stations , well, the metro has its own mythology, metro 2, metro 3 and others, there are even novels about this. theme, that is, everything connected with the underworld is mysterious, everything connected with a jewel is mysterious, but if this jewel still needs to be cut, like katya
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sat down at the machine, not knowing how to do anything, remember this scene of bariska in the film andrei rublev by andrei torkovsky, where young nikolai burlyaev says that his father, the father did not tell him the secret of how to cast a bell, how to find clay, this is amazing. history, nebazhov builds a lot on this. okay, well, let's now consider how persistent this tradition is. well, yes, pavel petrovich bazhov, wonderful, such a founder of a whole movement, initially the word itself was not a fairy tale, a fairy tale. in general, it must be said that here it is a very successful hit in terminology, so let's try, yes, let's start with a fairy tale, literally, what is a fairy tale? yes.
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after all, a tale is a semi-mysterious story, yes, transmitted within a corporation, i would say that it is more likely to be transmitted within a group, as some secret knowledge is called in other words, it could be legends, it could be traditions, but already rewritten and recorded for a wide audience, they move, well, let’s say, to a slightly different rank, this is also an action that is absolutely correct, and just this here’s a story, yes, it’s like an exaggerated calculation.
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modern, i will even be happy to tell you that now modern corporations are thinking the same way, looking for their own literary language, their own literary locus in their region and paying attention to local authors, just last year we had a large far eastern residence, which yes and of course we all know vasily avchenko, who is a far eastern author, but it’s also a fact of global literature, yes there is such a thing, that means there is a place. space, which, of course, is the theme, yes, mikhail torkovsky siberia, for example, yes, hello misha, hello vasya, our friends, that is, all this is there, returning, yes, returning to this far eastern residence, it is clear that if we take the urals, and the theme of mountains, the theme of stone, the theme of mining, and the far the east is the sea and terrible water, history was written, a tsunami that destroyed the city of severokurilsk, which in general few people know, 400 people
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died. i, as a person born in kamchatka , remember these legends, but for the first time this story actually somehow comes out in a completely different literary circle, already from so local, and again here is nature and culture and creativity and investment, economics , well, bazhov really had such quite serious popularity already in quiet times, at the end of his life he gained such all-union popularity, here are a few.
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there lived a permian who wrote a great novel dedicated to god, in general was his first chronicler, the first interviewer, and of course he was completely in love with here is another beautiful illustration, scary, yes, what nikita was talking about, but let's go back to peredilkin, yes , and there is such a large building letters, in general, bozhov left an incredible number of letters, which are also separate , completely literary works, very interesting, published just a few years ago very much -
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bozhov’s work goes back to the immemorial times of romanticism and further further into the past, when folklore stories and works were formed, are together with that next to us, literally next to us, all this continues, like literature, like art, like life, i am very grateful to you for this conversation, i think that it was useful to all of us, i thank... daria beglova, head of the house of creativity in the writers' village of peredelkin, i sincerely thank nikita petrov, head of the theoretical laboratory of folklore in ranhiks. thank you dasha, thank you nikita, see you, all the best to you, our dear interlocutors, i say my usual phrase, which i love very much, read with pleasure, dear friends.
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and sisters, this is also a very, so to speak, important moment, in russia it was not customary for women to leave their men, and there were many quite cases , when in siberia, even before this famous women’s campaign of the twenty-sixth, twenty-seventh and subsequent years to siberia, there were many quite cases, quite interesting, for example, in the 18th century , the first beauty and the first rich woman, say, russia, natalya borisovna shermetyeva, for by your spouse. ivan dolgoruky also went to bereza in 1730, where they did not find his serene highness prince menshchikov with the help of the dolgorukys hidden there, but she married him when he was already in great apalia and then wrote in her memoirs that yes,
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i showed that in all life situations, in love, in difficult trials, i was a friend to my man, there were other fairly well-known stories, sergei mikhailovich, of course, yes. if we remember the end of the 18th century and alexander nikolaevich radishchev, who was condemned and sent to siberia for a ten -year hopeless stay there, then it was not his wife who went after him, his wife had unfortunately already died by this time, but his wife’s sister, his sister-in-law, went , and this was not at all welcomed, children appeared in siberia, and despite the fact that on the way back, upon returning, when pavel was the first... to cancel this sentence, the cruel sentence of radishche on the way back, they returned to the radishchevskoye estate, then radishche's father refused to even recognize children born in siberia, not from his wife, but from this
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sister-in-law, who also accomplished the feat, and it was doubly difficult, because there was such a direct family relationship, namely... there was no sister-in-law here, this also happened in russian history, in general, women of the twenty-sixth year were already following the beaten path, so let's say, yes, and there were many examples before their eyes when women supported their men, and went into exile and lived, gave birth to children, supported, but these nobles who turned out to be strong, they were also not idle people, quite, so to speak, well, besides, the enlightened ones understand, but it turns out they still owned a large number of... all sorts of crafts, who could have guessed all this, here is one of the most, so to speak, famous people nikolai aleksandrovich bestuzhev, who back in st. petersburg invented the bestuzhev boat, a rescue boat, he was the bestuzhev economical stove
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for so that, here he is, a handsome man with sideburns, and in order to use less, so to speak, all sorts of firewood and coal, then he made some kind of clock that went there for centuries, studied astronomy, astrology, seismology, built observatory, so they were in exile and then in a settlement with their brother mikhail, the third brother alexander was in yakutsk, it was they who came up with the idea of forging rings from scandals, this idea mikhail. recalls that when the shackles were removed by order of the emperor, they made some small gifts to the guards, soldiers, and they gave these shackles, these two brothers, mostly nikolai, did not forge them, here is mikhail, here we
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this ring, moreover, the date is indicated there ; it corresponds to his birthday, so this is especially interesting for us, it is known that ivan ivanovich pushkin was really the closest friend of alexander sergeevich pushkin, and pushkin’s poems are my first friend, my priceless friend, and i am destiny blessed when my yard, secluded, covered with sad snow, your bell rang, pushkin recalls here the story that he ivan described.
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we felt that we were drinking for eternal separation, then the absolutely stunning phrase of ivan ivanovich pushchina: pushkin was the first who met me in siberia, and this was really so, because on the very day when he arrived in siberia, alexandra grigorievna muravyova, née countess chernyshova, alexander sergeevich pushkin's second cousin, just brought him a poem, my first friend, my priceless friend, and it was truly a priceless gift for...
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they say that he even carried poison with him constantly in his youth, i believe that if some kind of failure occurs somewhere, and he cannot take the position for which he expected, then he will simply die, this was the highest measure of his ambition, and an absolutely fantastic story happened , prince alexander mikhailovich gorchakov, who behaved very strictly, doing all the necessary things to do this one.
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, i would say shocking, but i’ll just read three small lines to make it clear: chains of our fate, we are proud behind the prison gates, in our souls we laugh at the kings, from a spark a flame will ignite, and we know that in the thirty-seventh year he was brought to the caucasus as a private, and there was such an option to curry favor in some kind of lower, so to speak official to ask for his resignation and live, so to speak, as ordinary people somewhere. they were not allowed to curry favor for some strange reasons, but there he met mikhail yuryevich lermantov, became very friendly with him, this is surprising for lermontov, because he had a very complex character the man didn’t get along very well with the decembrists, so to speak, but here suddenly such an extraordinary friendship and love was born, they
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