some kind of action, even some small roll or pitch there, a pedal there, you pressed a little, that is, it was all ideal so that - you see, the plane was standing there, that is, it is practically intact, that is the most important thing is that the whole plane and all the passengers are alive, this once again speaks of how important this muscle memory is, how much practice over all these years has made it possible to almost reflexively control the car, because everything happened instantly, you didn’t give it to yourself? what are you doing, arms, legs you went on your own, right? yes, these movements were already on a subconscious level, that is, everything that was laid down on the simulator was in muscle memory, as you say, yes, this muscle memory had already worked, i called home, and of course i called, but not with i took my phone from georgiy , the co-pilot, because my phones were both scattered throughout the cabin, i couldn’t find them, although they say that the landing should be soft on corn, but nevertheless the overload was so significant, they were all unsecured . .. objects, they are simple, here

phone, i had it right here next to me, in my pocket, i was able to somehow find them later, i called my wife and said that they would now show it on tv, perhaps the most important thing is, don’t worry, we sat down in a field, everyone is alive and healthy , that’s the main first phrase: so that she doesn’t get into trouble , there’s no talking at home, stop flying, well , my wife didn’t raise the question like that, because this is my dream since childhood, i’ve been going to this for a long time, i’ve had a very thorny path into aviation, it’s normal, you can’t live without it, without it, yes, aviation is very addictive, already now on flights, - now on flights, yes , after that incident i didn’t fly for a month, that is , i had a break of about a month, that is , we literally had 10 days of rehabilitation, vacation, then i went through a medical examination by a psychologist, a scheduled simulator and was allowed to fly with the command instructors, that is, i flew on the left, on the right sat the commander iskadrili, instructors who... checked

morally, professional qualities, that is , well, suddenly something broke in me or maybe i was somewhere scared or maybe else something happened, fortunately, that is, these checks passed successfully and were already cleared for regular regular flights with co-pilots, you work for the same airline all the time, but how many planes are there now, if it’s not a secret , it’s no secret, 52 aircraft, everything is fine, everything is fine, except for the course of the last case, an extreme case that happened quite recently. i don’t want to talk about it, i just need to mention that the guys also did a great job, we need to understand why they made such a decision, but that’s up to the commission is being sorted out, but nevertheless, you also agree, everyone is alive, and this is the most important result of what they did, everyone is alive , and not only is the plane intact and there is a question about its preservation, but someone said that they even wanted to wait icing field in order to roll it along the ice, god willing, this is one of the options for extracting it. we hope that

it will work out, but they were also incredibly lucky, with their wheels out on the field, god forbid that a little bit of mud, a little bit of mud, a little bit of a hole, they ruined everything yes, that is, it was an ideal landing , and again the miracle is that the novosibirsk region is a taiga, a swamp, how they found this area, a flat area, flat, that they practically landed with such an overload that some pilots even... .they land worse than they landed on the field, can you imagine how softly they landed, but the cabin crew did a very brave job there, yes, they were great, of course, they worked very quickly, evacuated, and if the flight attendants encountered this on our flight already after landing, then here is the merit of the crew cockpit, and the pilots shouldn’t be afraid either, yes, when you realize that you have to land in a field, they already did it consciously, now they were specially looking for a site from the air, as you know, before

there was a selection exercise on the an2 small aircraft sites from the air, that is, the crew flew, inspected the site , flew from different courses, watched the landing, well, he2, he plans, and even parachutes , of course, he does whatever he wants, but the guys, it’s not for nothing that they started talking about cabin crew, because the girls behaved amazingly , there was no panic, and did not allow panic in the cabin, yes, i wanted to add that they did it consciously, and the flight attendants, when they found out: information that there was an emergency landing outside the airfield, and i was talking with senior flight attendant, and she understood everything almost immediately and began preparing, like her fellow flight attendants, so that they, too, would not get confused, not be embarrassed, and work on preparing passengers, that is, it was necessary to transfer people who they could have gotten confused and not opened the inflatable slides, yes, that is, you know, there are emergency places, that is.

help, yes, well done, just well done , but they still had more time, and judging by the negotiations that i heard, they were offered different variations several times and they even offered different echelons in height, they made their decision, somehow consciously, but from the moment of the incident to the moment of landing, they had time to realize what was happening, not these 90 seconds, of course, yes, so the cabin crew, of course, just heroic guys.

equipment, not a single technician will ever release it, but in general the plane itself is reliable ; a faulty plane is on flight, and we are also not kamikaze pilots; until the plane is ready, until it is fit for use, we of course will not fly on it, that’s the first thing , the plane is reliable, secondly, and the flight attendant pilots are trained, that is, we go through a thorny path and theoretical training and simulator training are tested under flight conditions, so the planes are reliable. pilots are professionals in their field, so when entering plane, i say: trust the crew, relax and enjoy the flight, on the first day of defender of the fatherland, misha saved you, so that you live, you must live,

you are crazy, how will you fly? no longer standing on his feet, but he has no legs, pilot, tomorrow on the first day, on defender of the fatherland day, now we are leaving for the line of combat contact, you will see how our doctors, surgeons, nurses work, talk to me, everything is fine, you me respect, of course. so guys, hurry up, we get out, we always pull our guys out, we never put our guys on they didn’t abandon the field, home, everything is fine , even though it’s a man, they are also scared, we try our best to support them, when you see someone’s pain, you always choose one or two people there so that he can calm down

and feel that someone needs him, someone is worried about him now, everything will be fine, i always have the feeling that i haven’t finished something, you know, there’s something i could have done a little more. and this is to me, of course, these russian boys do not change, everyone who takes part in this, we will not be the same, we have not become worse or better, but we have changed, who , if not us, will love to save while the heart is chugging in the chest, premiere, medical special forces, on sunday, on the first, we continue to air the first channel podcast, everyone wants to fly, we say about emergency situations with a first class pilot, the hero of russia, damir yusupov, all podcast episodes everyone wants to fly, you can always watch on 1tv.ru, and i also want to touch on

one topic that has been discussed for quite a long time, and i get asked these questions and in general everyone with whom i’m meeting with some of the flight crew , this whole question is what they call it, but why don’t they land on autopilot, because you can land, turn on the autopilot, it will land on its own , it will stare at the platform, it will turn off the engines itself, of course, with the development of aviation, the level of automaticity increases, and airfields are being built, yes , where you can perform automatic landing, well, automatic takeoff is still in progress - in my opinion , only tests are underway, yes, that is, the crew and , as a rule, taxiing is done by the crew, takeoff is performed by the crew, after takeoff, as a rule, the autopilot is turned on and before landing, that is... the autopilot controls it in order to relieve the crew, relieve the workload; in the autopilot we perform an automatic landing, as a rule, in bad weather in fog, when it is simply impossible to perform it by hand, it is prohibited according to the documents , there we already go by category, there must again be

a special prepared airfield, which has the necessary equipment, the plane must be ready, that is, it must be ready equipped with this landing system, the plane... must be in good working order for that , to perform this landing, but as a rule , in good weather it would be very boring if the pilot was landing on autopilot, we don’t fly much on our hands now, so of course it’s more interesting to land the plane yourself, but anyway, besides this , we need to, as they say, save the crew , because someone says that soon we will have only one pilot in the cockpit due to the economy mode, this is bad, because even two people on a long shoulder, at a distance there at 9-12 hours of flight, the moment of communication is clear psychologically, it relieves great stress, but what if there’s only one left? yes, i agree, yes, before there were numerous crews: commander, co -pilot, navigator, flight engineer, board radio operator,

then, of course, the level of automation was lower, everything, of course, depended more on people, now we have a board instead engineer, we have an on-board computer that monitors all systems, there are sensors, you open there the air intake system, engines, fuel system, hydraulics and so on, that is, all this is visible in color, instead of a navigator we have there is an inertial gps system, a navigation display that calculates all this, right? that is, everything is practically the responsibility of two pilots , and the level of automation is high, but in the event of a failure, our load increases so much , yes, that is, we must know all this, know everything about these systems, know these failures and must be able to cope with them, and of course, when there is a multi-member crew, there is also decision-making here, that is, there are a lot of people there, some kind of opinion, maybe there, but what if there is one person in the cockpit, how about that? wants to go out or something like that, for example, or there is such a thing as in english kroschek, we must

check each other, we are people, we can make mistakes, no one is safe from mistakes, in flight, for example, if one pilot something does it wrong, or maybe, well, it’s a night flight, a night effect, the person didn’t get enough sleep or something else, they do some actions wrong, the second pilot carefully corrects him, well , that’s right, that’s why one is called piloting, the second is called monitoring the second monitoring, and yes, such errors do happen, they are eliminated in a timely manner. it’s normal, imagine, if a person is in some kind of situation, a complicated situation, bad weather or, god forbid , some kind of failure, there can be such, you know, irreversible consequences, so i am against having one pilot, and even more so, in general, all this was automatic , that is, i am against it, i think that it will not come to this, an immodest question, perhaps, which was asked 100 times, when suddenly the information came that you were awarded a hero star, it was... it was unexpectedly, it was the next day, not only did i not yet i recovered from what happened yesterday, from this

landing, yes, i was very sleep deprived , i was very tired, and people started writing hero, congratulations hero, i couldn’t understand what it was that everyone started congratulating me at the same time, then they just sent me an order to award, it was very unusual, very unexpected, of course, because all of us people of the soviet generation were brought up on the same cartoons, textbooks, films of the great patriotic war. and for me, heroes are heroes who are of the great patriotic war, heroes, polar explorers, and for me, the heroes of the soviet union or the hero of russia are such unattainable people, unattainable stars, that when i was awarded, i somehow even felt awkward, that i’m just saying that i did my job, i did my job , did his job, the most important thing is that everyone is alive, the most important thing, the most important thing, yes, thank you, that’s actually what we talked about today on the podcast, everyone wants to fly, i

’m three times older than him, without any attraction, without any embarrassment, just thank you thank you very much for the passengers, it’s a pleasure, all the best, see you next time, there was a podcast on the air: everyone wants to fly on channel one. this podcast is a must read. i'm glayana batnikova. today we are discussing andrei platonova, the great russian writer, with german sadulaev, the writer. german, hello. hello, aglavaya. german, please tell me what is special about platonov and what is his place in russian literature in general? platonov is one of the greatest writers of the 20th century, he discovered and created his

language, he has a unique structure of language, he is very psychological, he is very philosophical, it seems to me that he is one of the most important authors of russian literature, whom you absolutely cannot ignore, and he is very suitable for the name of your program, a must read if you are not read platonov, then you... by and large don’t understand anything about russian literature, well, i agree, but you know , when you chose this topic, i was a little surprised, because you are a hindu, a postmodernist, it seems to me that you... you work very cool with myths and some double meanings, when i found out that you wanted to talk about platonov, i was surprised, especially since you chose the corpus of texts of platonov’s military prose, why? platonov has always been one of my favorite writers, i have this somewhat

strange set of favorite writers, favorite writers, because on the one hand i have bunin. on the other hand, the platos, who worked at approximately the same time, but completely, let’s say, in divergent directions, yes, but you need to understand both of them in order, again, as i say, to know what is russian, russian literature, yes , platonov is ideological, but his ideologicalness is very natural, when he writes about ideology, you believe him, well, i agree, and you know, in fact... for me it was probably even when i was preparing for the program, i think, what a cruel man german is, how cruel he is, he made me read this because i knew platonov more before the war, that’s when you read exactly these military topics, although they seemed blurred, such stereotyped, that is, the great

patriotic war, we have it, you know, consists of so many films , texts...

another easy victory awaits, in the first two years of the war, it was completely destroyed, yes, we died in thousands and millions, but this army of conquerors of europe in the first 2 years, with the help of, well through heroism, exploits, self-sacrifice, we crushed this army in 2 years, we destroyed it,

this is the secret of the victories of the subsequent red army, because further in front...

rifle, machine guns, these are also mechanisms, family, by the way, he is very admiring talks about it, and even some heroes and his

stories, they look at the tanks and say: oh, rudolf diesel, finally we will meet you, or they respect us there, there are so many tanks against us, so it turns out that there are only five of us here, but there are so many tanks, they treat us with respect, he says, this is a work, a diesel engine, this is a work of the human spirit, human labor. that well, it’s like there’s no need to throw around platonov, throw around platonov, yes, that we don’t have that many of them, so they pulled him out, reformatted him a little, gave

him an officer’s rank and sent him to the military corrals, that he would bring more benefit than a private, a private in the infantry, and indeed he brought enormous benefit, he wrote such inspiring stories, but as i understand it, he devoted a lot of time to interviews with soldiers, talked very carefully. in a partisan detachment, this is already a huge risk, yes, because well, you are behind enemy lines in a partisan detachment, he was even in a partisan detachment, at the front he was constantly on the front line, the military correspondents of that time, they didn’t go to this not, they there was no such blue bulletproof vest with the inscription like abs. by we can’t shoot, he was in uniform, he was an officer, and he ended the war, he was a major, a major, that is, he fought and he fought, including with weapons in his hands, he accepted.

are changing and the officers can’t understand how this is happening - a temporary firing point, well, when the officer begins to read information about this city, he understands that the foundation of the house cannot be larger than the house itself, so it is apparently wide, the volume of these storage facilities, there is cheese and butter, that is, it was some kind of city in which they were made. engineering acumen , when an officer tries to plan it all to understand, behind this you feel exactly that, that is, it becomes clear that this is being thought by a person who understands very well how buildings are built, how they generally work, as you put it, and the mechanics of battle,

yes, then there is all this suddenly for us... these behind the scenes are shown in this story, and it makes an impression, even on me, a woman, i understand little about the art of war, but this story, it really explains a lot, in platonov’s stories always there is a lot of texture, a lot of truth about the work of mechanisms, about the work of people, and there are direct combat impressions there too, people shoot, of course, they die, of course, they kill, of course , one of his heroes ...

is at the forefront. this is a must-read podcast, yana batnikova, we are talking about the war stories of andrei platonov with the writer german sadulayev. where the people's life is, he always has and he went there, where the people's life is. herman, but at the same time i also understand that platonov is an absolutely brilliant writer, he is a man such a gift could do something.

completely to the fullest, he lived on he and in all areas he showed himself to the fullest, when he worked as an engineer, he was truly recognized as a useful member of society, he was useful, certainly, he was a useful member of society, he was not an armchair thinker, and this is also what fascinates platonov: such power and breadth of spirit. at the same time, he looks very childish, sometimes he has a lot of stories about children, that is, when we see through the eyes of a child what is happening, and there in the stories, a cow or an iron old woman, it is clear that he has this look, it is very pure, that is, he could look, let’s say , from a child at the world, and his most probably unique quality is platonic, that he is, well, in addition to being naturally literary yes... his

fantastic style, there is this pity for people, this sympathy, that is, when you perceive someone else’s pain as your own, it’s very childish and...

you read, it’s as if this russian matrix of yours wakes up in you , yes, that is, this structure of speech, it is unusual, but at the same time it it reminds me of either a prayer, or a conspiracy , or a folk surrealistic verse, letov also has this, that is, not everyone

understands the art of plato, not everyone understands the art of yegor letov, this is an obligatory quality, it seems to me, of a russian person, that is, there is something very popular in these authors,

about numbers, yes, what is three, what is four? and he answers, three is like, a method, like the commander’s plan, this, this, this is a battle he says, there’s like, reconnaissance planning execution, a4 says that a4 is adjustment to the opposition of the enemy, which, that is, he finds a correspondence, he laid out any number, number, and this is this. a traditional folklore motif, these are number riddles, you will find them in scandinavian folklore, you will find them in indian folklore, this is such a traditional motif, he consciously uses it, that is, his such a structure of speech,

and his appeal to the mythical, to the archetypal layers, it was a conscious literary device that shows his great reading, great education, and also a connection with the people... at some level, yes, spiritual, at the level of interest and focus of attention, because he devotes a lot to people and their inner life, in platonov’s focus it turns out that any simple person, christian, worker, a person who has no education, but platonov describes his feeling in such a complex way that you understand that really absolutely every person has, well... a lot of complex feelings, emotions, contradictory, platonov shows this way, in general, in virtually every person, yes , no matter what position he takes place in society, but plato will find in everyone,

this interesting view of the world, yes, some unusual sensations, platonov was very closely connected with the people, all his life, his father worked with steam locomotives, this shows him

here... yes, platonov also writes about this, that a person is like a loner, he is doomed to melancholy, but everyone wants to fly out, platonov writes about this from his courtyard, from his coffin, he wants to get out and wants to join something great , and one of his characters also says so, how we used to live, how we each lived before each one alone, here in his vezbenka in the kazimat, what the authorities said, that ’s what we do, now we seem to. platonov in

the purpose of the revolution, well, by the way, in this story aphrodite burns his power station, which the hero built, some villain burns it, the people again chip in with their money and rebuild this power station, there is something in it. the world does not end with me and my

insoluble problems, yes, yes, yes, there are other goals, other meanings in life, you need to feel to become part of the people, part of a larger whole and to give oneself to it, i think that for platonov this was not just a phrase, it was a conscious psychological reality, otherwise he would hardly have been able to withstand it. all the blows of fate that constantly rained down on him, firstly, his life as a writer was not easy, but his party life did not work out very well , he was accidentally, due to a combination of circumstances , expelled from the party, then was not accepted, although he wanted to return to the party, yes, he had problems in this engineering activity, because it also encountered opposition, and then, of course , there was a great tragedy in his literature, when he himself... stalin, on the other hand, stalin himself wrote

a critical review, you can imagine how it got to him, he scolded him for such an anti-soviet description, well there was some kind of conditional criticism against the collective farms, the same stalin did not scold sholokhov, but i know that later at some meeting after this whole story with this story, after which platonova was naturally blocked everywhere. but a few years later at some meeting stalin asked the writers: “is platonov here?” yes, he remembered him and i think that not without his participation at the front, the military correspondents took him from the rank and file, the military correspondents took him away, he personally followed each of these writers. well, of course, this literary criticism, this article in the newspaper pravda, of course, was a big blow for him, they stopped publishing him, and even then he had high hopes for literature, he had high ones. but he didn’t have any purely everyday problems in his life, well, he didn’t have enough money,

he had nothing to live on, he had a wife, a child, then the child was arrested at the age of 15 , the child went to a camp, went to a camp, returned sick, sholokhov eventually took care of him and the child returned 2 years later, but already sick with tuberculosis and unfortunately died, but he died and platonov himself also died he suffered from tuberculosis in recent years. difficult, that is, not to say that his life was caressing, constant need, blows, slander, the death of his son, then the war - this is such, you know, a difficult matter. as well as shell shock and constant dangers and risks, that is, not to say that his life spoiled, not at all, but at the same time we don’t see bitterness anywhere, we don’t even see despondency anywhere, i think this is precisely because he was able to apply this life hack in his own life, he really lived like that, he had faith

and he had strength to get up every time and continue to work for the good of your country, to bring benefit to your people. because he understood: yes, this is my life, yes, here , yes, it is difficult, yes, it is not what i imagined it to be, but i will still have it, yes, this podcast is a must-watch reading, i am agla ina batnikova, my guest is the writer german sadulaev, and we are discussing the war stories of andrei platonov, you know, this image of a flower, which he appears several times in several stories, the image of a flower that grows from a rocky one.

platonov was probably happy with his personal life, he had one wife all his life , whom he loved very much, in general, such a monogamous union is rare for a russian writer, and i know that you recently wrote a very hype post about that akhmatova ruined gumilyov with her frivolous

character, and i thought that, probably, plato has this example of marriage and these ... relationships, he probably inspires german rather, that this is an example of a correct, writer’s wife, or something like that will you say? yes, it is very difficult when two equal creative personalities come together in a union, like, say, gumilyov and akhmatova. in fact, one must serve the other, one must understand that he is not a star, but that he is here to help. in principle, a creative person is better off next to him to have a good, caring , well, what do you think, loving person, maybe yes, that is, ultimately yes, ultimately his wife maria, she was his secretary, she became his custodian of his legacy, but we joke in the writing community

that the writer's wife should prepare to become the writer's widow. she will collect his letters, essays , publish after his death, edit , yes, this is her status and maria, it is possible that she is in this sense, yes in this sense, her life was successful, but according to his works we we see that perhaps he had problems.

that is, here it is not only the hero, that is, here it is as if platonov forgives the woman in advance, because well, he generally forgives all people, except for the germans, except for the germans, and he understands the woman.

stayed in moscow, and he lived in another city for a year or two for work and perhaps there were some moments in their personal life, because a similar thing in aphrodite, when she left for another husband for 2.5 years, then returned to her husband, then he looked at her and said, he felt sorry for her, because she couldn’t get rid of this craving for some kind of new love, for new feelings, this is also... everything is clear, this is also all very human, but his stories are like returning, they are a little

different, for me, they are a little different than innermost man than the labyrinth , storming the labyrinth, plato’s innermost man , what is he like, what is this, what is this character, yes, which runs through all of plato’s work, here is plato’s innermost man, here he is innermost, how he can cut sausage on the coffin of his wife it is unclear if we look at a person simply from the point of view of his individuality, his destiny, that is, platonov is an anti-individualist, his innermost person, he is very connected with everything, he is with nature.

on the surface, but the root system is deep, deep underground, and you won’t understand anything about it if you look only at the sprout, you don’t understand how and how it lives, you don’t understand why where it grows if you don’t take attention to this... root system, yes, herman, it was very interesting conversation, thank you very much, thank you very much, this was a must- read podcast, yaglaybatnikova, my guest was the writer german sudulaev, we talked about the prose of andrei platonov, even more stories about writers and their books on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru. hello, i'm dmitry bak, we have the next episode of a literary podcast, let them not

talk, let them read, we are talking about what needs to be read, but there are texts that you cannot read, you can only hear them, these are folklore legends, these are fairy tales and etc, in russian literature there is a person, there is a writer who specifically addressed the topic of folklore, the topic of folk legends, this is pavel. petrovich bazhov, who was born exactly 145 years ago in the working-class village of sissert in the current sverdlovsk region, near yekaterinburg, today we will talk about this wonderful author with my interlocutors, with our guests, this is daria mikhailovna beglova, the head of the house of creativity in the village of writers peredelkino near moscow, hello dasha, we’ll be just like in life!

there is a scientific concept of post-folklore, such as if you could describe it all, we are once again in the world of damn it, vladimir the red sun,

tsar kalin’s dog. remember, i am a dog, a red-hot king, i am writing to you, vladimir red sun, folklore, but it has probably ceased to be perceived only as those same fairy tales, as epics, as songs. if it could be defined using modern words, i would say that it is words, actions, images that influence the emotional behavior of people, and spread in a very similar way to how oral folklore spread, well, this is such a dangerous definition, because... stage vocabulary, too, for example , will not be mentioned by night, how it emotionally influences behavioral rules, yes , and this could, for example, be modern prohibitions, remember, don’t go swimming before, the water will drag you away, and then a tale is told, or , for example, the prohibitions of modern soviet children, don’t go out into the street, the gypsies will be taken there, or take bread for dinner in moderation, don’t

waste the bread with precious things, absolutely true, but now we are in such a...

but here there is a very thin gap between the legend and the truth, the term is called terrible ostension, when people, knowing the legend, pretend it to be reality, for example, when someone dresses up as a ghost, and fadeev and someone else and scare new people, on the one hand conveys tradition, another person embodies a legend in life pavel petrovich bazhov creates literature that, in our minds, somehow borders on... mm traditional folklore, yes, he has a very difficult fate, we know about it, he was born in a working class family, then he traveled a lot, taught , was subjected to repression several times to one degree or another, but still, what remained from him, first of all, were tales, yes, this is understandable, this is a special genre, so i’ll even ask you

a question, and are they... children's or not? of course, but you also need to remember that fairy tales, epics, beliefs are completely different levels of genre works from fairy tales, of course, this is some kind of struggle between good and evil, where good always wins in the end, and this is typical for fairy tales , v in principle, for speaking, for berlin, believe me, for mythology, they are completely different, the laws are already beginning, completely different.