album and that he wrote it in memory of their journey together, that it was all over, yes, a long winding path, but everything came to this, unfortunately, result, so everyone went in different directions, i have this mess , of course, it was very sad, it is incredibly melodic in itself, you know, you brought it out right now, i had a similar moment associated with bedlams, lenya leikin, our wonderful leningrad master of clownery, so poignant, he worked in desley's circus, he told me this story, says: “valera, when this tragedy happened in new york on september 11, he came to us, then george harrison was still alive and macartney came, everything was canceled, and the performance of the desouley circus, how bright and how...

"the victory over all terrorism in the world was left, and macartney and harrison came to this performance, where lenya lakey went to work in las vegas, and i ran up, bought some kind of notebook in the lobby - said lekin, ran up to the first page that came to me, opened asked them to sign, showed me the photos he keeps small in the pocket where it stands between the mock-cartneys. harrison, says valera, after 2 days i decided to savor it and opened the notebook to see what the autographs of mccartney and harrison looked like and realized that i bought a weekly book where every page of the year is the statements of great people, there are churchill, roosevelt, and he says, i started looking for where they signed, because i opened it at random, i get to october and see that they...

signed lenon’s birthday on the page, and his statement is written there, life is what happens to us while we are building plans, john lenot, and his autograph is also scanned, this is it, right now, when you said that zalongo vending crowd is my saddest song, and i have the same one, well, you understand, yes, that is, it’s possible it was amazing, he says the same thing, here’s the case, what i’m saying is, well , a ringastar is also a must. an autograph so that you have a full betlov arsenal an autograph, you know, going back to john lenn, in one of the interviews, he once said, they asked him, that’s what the true motivation was, so you took it there - cavern clubb there and so on, says that there should be a lot of girls, girls, what is everything for, well, so that we with guitars, we become popular, girls pay attention to us, that’s what?

what for energetically, well, let's start with where they started, they actually had the first one, yes that, well, the melody went there, the riff is brilliant, it's amazing, yes, then i really love the fourth album, there are these dimensions there.

so if, well, just a positive attitude towards the future, a few words to the fans, i want to say that today’s program, on which valera invited me, this is a performance of shakesprom, this is how it will go, this is how the card will fall, as they say here, but that’s why , frankly speaking, i’m very excited with these all sorts of memories. but this coincidence of long and winding road , it’s brilliant, it says a lot, so i want, of course , to wish the audience, pull out all the best and most touching things from your past, this is always with you,

it always warms the soul, and everyone be happy, since many of the songs you perform, i don’t know that they were written by igor matvienko, that’s all they think that the song is about a horse, as they say, many people are sure that this is an absolutely folk melody, when they say to me: people 's artist of russia nikolai rastorgui, in your case it is absolutely organic, because who then, if not kolya, so i i congratulate you on this, it’s worth a lot, but i want to tell you, with all responsibility, we are very happy people with you, because the melodies that we remember for us are comparable to air, this would be the air when we were young, young and touched the betlas, this is the time that i consider the most interesting in the life of mankind, these sixties, seventies, everyone lived after a difficult war with hope for the best, and the sixties, when children born

during the war became young people, when there was an incredible surge in art and not only here. for example, there is a zigzag of luck , i can watch it as many times as you want, i watch everything, i won’t change you , you won’t cheat on me either, someone will covet you , but what did he say, i’m a straightforward person, so i’ll tell you right away, since i’ll... i love you very much thank you for equally, thank you for inviting me, but okay, straight, well, listen, well, with sro, well, that’s straight, well, there’s no such thing, there must be a thousand songs in the drum, it

plays like that, it tells you which one. hello, my name is alexey varlamov, i am a writer and rector of the gorky literary institute, this is the podcast life of the remarkable. and today we will talk with an excellent writer, prose writer, associate professor of the department of literary excellence at the literary institute, andrei valerievich gelasimov. andrey valerievich - famous writer. the author of many novels, short stories, tales, thirst, steppe gods, and the year of deception, and the topic of our conversation today with andrei valerievich is literature about the great patriotic war, the echo of the great war,

the generation of people who fought practically passed away, all the books that they could have written, they have already been written, but the topic of the great war has not left our lives, what do you think, andrei valerievich, why? well, you know, alexey nikolaevich, this topic will still be very long, firstly, because it didn’t go well a lot of time, and secondly, literature requires really large time periods to comprehend such large-scale events, well, let’s just remember that lev nikolayevich tolstoy wrote about the great war of 1812 more than half a century later, and he had nothing to do with it and did not participate i couldn’t do it because of my age. but nevertheless , it was very important for him to try to analyze what happened to the people, especially to his country, uh, at the time of the great threat, and these dramatic times, of course, will always be of interest to writers, always, it’s another matter that the view of a contemporary

and participant in the events is very different from an attempt at analysis after, say, half a century or even 70 years, but how do you... why did this happen, the question is often asked, why is war and peace not written about the great patriotic war war, and why didn’t so many books written about the war of the twelfth year appear? writers endowed with culture, so i think the participants in the great patriotic war

wrote more than the participants in the patriotic war of '12. what are your favorites? books? vasil bykov was very important to me and remains boris vasiliev. mischief is a force here, and not even thanks to the wonderful film, in fact, the most powerful prose of this story, wonderful. i once read an article by a karelian writer, petrozavodsk, i think his name was. also a writer who participated in the great patriotic war, and it was such a very harsh, critical article against the story of boris vasiliev, the meaning of which was that he invented everything, this did not exist, there were no such girls, zenichits, it was not like that in karelia, the situation that i wrote is impossible, i must say that i willingly believe that it may not have happened, but this absolutely does not detract from the dignity of this story, it is still beautiful, well, yes, yes, here a very interesting topic arises , that there is... such a truth about the war is literal, documentary, and there is still

an artist’s right to fiction, in fact, lev nikolaevich tolstov was also reproached and said that this was not so, and napoleon was not like that, and kutuzov was not like that, and the battle of borodino was not like that, but we through we perceive literature this way, and boris vasiliev, now i’m not even comparing war and peace and the mischief of the elements here, but nevertheless it has become such a key book in our minds in our idea of ​​war, and it seems to me that it’s very... .fights are of local importance, but there is only one life, these girls and the sergeant major are doing

the incredible, well, yes, probably the girls could not resist, the girls anti-aircraft gunners could not resist a carefully trained saboteur from the ss troops, probably not , yes, to the paratroopers, but this one, yes, this looks implausible, but this counterpoint, that such things happen in incredible circumstances, it...

you know, this is due to the awareness of the events that are taking place, with awareness on a personal

level, and the authors and heroes of these books, because if we, for example, look in the book there is a remark on the western front without change , then yes, we see one very important detail, there one of the heroes says to the other: but i’m an insignificant soldier, i ’m a nobody at all, i’m just a para-boot rifle, and if you remember, in during the first world war... here this is the western front, it was a confrontation between germany and france, for 3 years they really stood in one place, the front did not move in either direction practically, from here naturally arose... the thoughts that all this is absurd, that this just a meat grinder that grinds people in one place, it is unclear for what purposes , but what was important, the remark was made, in our war in the great patriotic war, there a completely different topic arises, arises, firstly, the topic of overcoming the enemy who came on your land and behaving inhumanly

there from humanistic points of view and positions, firstly, in the first world war the same... brand did not have a war with civilians, he has scenes where german soldiers run away just with french girls, having fun there, yes, they are having fun with a scarf , then it comes back, and we can’t compare it, we can’t have something like that, so german soldiers were having fun there, let’s go with the girls and the russians to have fun, that is, well , a lot of questions will arise, yes, russian girls somehow, i don’t think that they were very accustomed to german soldiers, there may have been isolated cases, but so, to say this as... i think this awareness distinguished russian soldiers from the soldiers of the first world war, therefore notes of pacifism, we simply could not have the existing remark. okay, but this is still

20th century literature, let's focus on what happens in the 20th century. here with my then...

great, this book struck me with its freshness, he wrote to him more than 90 years ago, yes, with some personal view, personal attitude to the war, then this very important topic, about which a lot has also been written: the blockade of leningrad, the battle for leningrad, this is how it began, how this blockade was established, all this is like this sincerely written in the first person , in my opinion, absolutely wonderful, young, full of narrative energy, i really think that this is what it is, really... a very striking phenomenon in russian literature, by the way, it is no coincidence that granin received the big book prize ". if we talk about the freshness, by the way, of this text, it is very interesting, here is the initiation of the text, how it starts, in general, in a conversation about the war, when we watch a film about the great patriotic war or read a book, one of the most important points is the description of how the hero

receives information about the beginning of the war , that is, here is the initiation and events, and here... i was surprised by the scene of how the hero actually receives this knowledge, and it is told in an erotic context, if you remember, he meets a beautiful young girl, on sunday, which means a wonderful sunny day, they go somewhere into the forest, which means , and he says that my intentions were far from restrained, that’s why they go further into the forest, and he says, and i understood why we were going there, she understood that.. .. i understand, it means that all this happens in such a game structure, in nature, suddenly, it means, some voices are heard, steps, someone is walking, these jump up, frightened, the lieutenants approach, he doesn’t look at them pays a lot of attention, which means he simply tells them: they can’t be here, get out of here, quickly, and that means some soldiers are with him they are running, they are already drawing some lines of communication, this junction very much gives rise

to such a contrast before the transition, when the hero says, he hasn’t understood yet, we say, we were traveling back on the train, and laughed, people were already talking about war, and i still didn’t understand anything, this wonderful transition was made for me in a very new way, i read a lot of books about the war, here granin really surprised me with the freshness of his view, how strange and absurd great things are happening to us that can no longer be changed , that's what he succeeded here to create as a writer, and this is of course for the patriarch of literature for a ninety-year-old author, of course this is a great achievement, but this is a very young book, it is very... very cool, very human, it is very personally written, despite the fact that it’s on an epic scale, unfortunately, it’s not very big, so i’m saying why i ’m sorry that he took it up too late, that’s really it.

story by eduard verkin, cloudy regiment. as far as i understand, when sergei samsonov with his story got into the debut award, and you were the chairman of the jury, then, well , tell us about your impressions of your decision and about this book. when i started reading sokoliny rubezh, when i was heading the jury for the debut, i was somewhat wary, because... the military theme is for me, for me personally, not for the author, writer, but simply as a person, but she is significant, important for me, and i was so

wary, that is, i opened this novel, but when, say, you don’t immediately jump into it, because i must say, it is not written in a very simple way, it is written in a complicated way, this is some kind of petersburg of andrei bely, these are such complex syntactic structures to wade through. the modern iliad, that is, when i realized that we have this confrontation, or rather, in his novel there is a confrontation between two aces, this german pilot and the soviet stalinist falcon, zvarygin, and i considered this confrontation as the confrontation between hector and achilles in homer , and then everything came to a standstill... such a mythologization occurs, that is , the realism of this soviet military prose is replaced by a myth, exactly exactly, he even has it

on a technical level it is noticeable, because... if you start reading this book out loud, you will see that at times it goes into hexameter, it rhythmizes this prose, that is, if you don’t just glance and quickly skim, but look attentively, then you see how the adjective is built, everything develops into a certain - into a certain rhythmic pattern, and this is really practically a hexameter, it was a huge risk on the part of the author, of course, but it seems to me a huge amount of work, i think it’s a big thick book. but he won of course, look, despite the conventionality of the mythological space, the method that sergei samsonov uses, in some places, in this powerful one, like the iron sheets hitting each other, sometimes i could not hold back my tears, despite the unrealism of the narrative, that is, samsonov, standing on katurny, absolutely like an ancient greek chorus in an ancient greek tragedy, managed to penetrate into... precisely into

the tragic plane, creating, well , a truly great major work, it is very different from the prose of the lieutenants xx century, emphasized by the conventionality of the events taking place, although there are also practical details and a lot of passion , it is clear that he studied the material, it is clear that, by the way, we need to talk about this today, because this is one of the important differences in modern prose, the fact is that the participants in the war... and bonderev and boris vasiliev and so on, they do not dwell in such detail on technical details. contemporaries, seryozha, ilya boeshov, and other authors, are often carried away by wikipedia. i understand that access to information has become enormous, when you start doing research, you, well, you get carried away by this or that fact, technically, and this affects, as a result, boeshov comes across phrases like a machine gun.

it means that samsonova is aviation, pilots , aces, for boeshov it’s tank crews, that means our tankman who appears is the beginning of a novel from a story, a fascinating novel, when this man, who is an absolutely burned tankman, whom doctors don’t even care about anymore want to treat, because 98 there or 90% of the skin that suffered from the burn suddenly he is in such a wonderful way, yes, this is some kind of magical moment that is present here, this man is resurrected

, it turns out that he is a genius. mechanic, and he, therefore, returns to duty, and his task is to knock out the same brilliant white tiger, the same, therefore, fascist tank, this duel between two tankers, soviet and german, actually forms the idea of ​​this story, this book, on which, by the way, karen shakhnazarov made the film white tiger, yes, but this is really written by our contemporary, this is his attitude to the war, another book about which i would like to say, i already mentioned her, and cloudy...

without calling him by name, he is there all the time sanych, sanych by his patronymic, as if his own, compare two books, how they would mow down such good things in in the best sense of the word , such a soviet narrative, such a novel of education that unfolds, and you see the character of this hero, who is , well, almost like this... such, well, such an icon , yes, such a boy who has almost no shortcomings, but if there is, he overcomes them, and he is alive at the same time, a very good book, verkina is a completely different child , yes, a different teenager, he is rough, he is complex, he is conflicted, he may be prickly somewhere, but you get carried away, you fall under the charm of this book, it’s very cool that it exists , here is the question, why, and now i would like

to turn it to you, because of course there is one more. a very bright book dedicated to the great patriotic war, which appeared already in the new century, in the new millennium, this is your novel steppe gods, which received a national bestseller award. who uses a huge success among readers, i re-read it specifically for this program and once again i was simply delighted and admired how great it was all written, but now let’s talk about you, about your book, why did you write it, how did it happen? it was extremely important for me to understand what my grandfather felt at the front, uh, fighting against the kvantum army in september of 1945, uh, i wrote the book when i was already twice my age...

i began to remember my grandfather’s stories from my childhood about the war, i began to write to my grandmother, she was still living in the chetinsk region at that time and began asking questions about that time, because i was simply looking for a point in the history of my country where it was, perhaps, even more difficult for people than for me in the nineties, and i found this point, i understood, wow for whom it was very difficult, these people who survived that great war, and this, excuse me for a second, is just my grandfather and my grandmother. and my grandmother is still alive, and that means i can ask, how did you do it, how did you cope, yes, you were young, young, you were 25-26 years old there, and you had to live and love and give birth to children and so on, and why the main character was the boy in this case? i

somehow intuitively understood that i wanted to look at this through the eyes of a child, as if with my own eyes, that is, since this is my grandfather, yes, then i needed to make a point of view, below the horizon, these are adults. actions with the universe, with the world around him, he is not yet ready for compromises, this is the unreadiness for compromise in my petka, it was very dear to me and that’s why i actually wrote on his behalf, that’s why i started writing a novel with such

trepidation, with anxiety - it’s important to me i had to understand what was happening to my homeland with my grandfather, my grandfather also fought. but he never said anything about the war, he died quite early, if he had lived a little longer, of course i would have tried to talk to him anyway, but at that moment i was a child, but a person doesn’t want to talk, that means he doesn’t want tell, but we had such a very interesting story at the school where i studied, there was an ordinary moscow special school, but there was a museum in it, a museum of military glory, it was some kind of unformed, not like some a formal bureaucratic thing, no, it was really a very serious story, we had such a wonderful geography teacher.

i told him, i don’t remember now, it’s a pity that i don’t remember, but i remember something else, these veterans came, it was always december 6, the day when our counteroffensive began near moscow, when the germans were repulsed.