there is a good stadium in the city, stadiums are being built , a stadium has opened in novosibirsk, in omsk, this is also very important to create conditions for hockey players, you see, there are a lot of skating rinks being built in tatarstan, moscow, yekaterinburg, so the opportunity to see new stars is to hold more competitions , of course there is, this is the first, here is the second, of course, we are trying to win the cup of the first channel, which has traditionally been since 1969, you know, even with the conscience there was, it is very... important that it takes place, why? because we are putting together a team, well 2 for years in a row we lost, well , the russian team 25 won this cup, and a lot of people came, everyone remembered this new year’s tournament, so many fans come to cheer for russia, we were in moscow the last 2 years, now in st. petersburg , well, we will continue to expand, of course , the geography of the channel one cup in order to popularize our hockey throughout the country, you mean that not only... yes, we can have

wonderful skating rinks in omsk, and hold them in other countries, because novosibirsk, now we have already agreed with omsk, that russia 25 will go there in may, will play a match against belarus, so we are in tula, so we agreed, well, now we will agree with other cities, because we need people to see the national team, to see new stars, this it is very important for young hockey players to feel that they can get into the national team, that they are being watched, so that they do not leave.

in the soviet union, one second two national teams , there were always two teams and, as a rule, the second team was younger hockey players, but there there are older ones, well, because excuse me, the opponent is also belarus, this is also kazakhstan, they are the first, the first teams, national teams, they are not young teams, these are real teams that would play for the world cup, so you can’t lose either, so a number we recruited older hockey players there to really... could show the result, and another team that took part in this tournament, the stars and the vhl, what was the idea of ​​​​creating the idea, they created it because the chinese were supposed to play with us, but unfortunately they refused at the last moment and we still did the right thing, that well, you know, the hockey federation is holding a major league championship, and we thought, let’s gather some good players, stars of the major league, for the first time we gathered them, i think this experiment was very successful , because they showed good hockey. and thus we supported the major

league that they reached such a level, this is very important for a hockey player, that these are the people who played, here i am talking to them, this is a holiday for them, because they have never participated in such high competitions, and i think this is very cool, you have already updated yourself so much that there are options to continue the series of matches against the belarusians, this season , yes, of course, we have very good contacts with the belarusians, i want to say that the belarusian team is improving every year and it’s improving, because we really play at the youth level... but this suggests that belarusian hockey has grown so much or our hockey has grown so much, and both can be said, because we also have talented guys playing, but the belarusians are also improving , of course every time, it is noticeable.

the olympics are just around the corner vladislavich, what news have you heard? news, we just watch everything from the newspapers, something is happening, but of course, in general it’s very unpleasant that everything violates the charter and double standards, well , i think that, of course, every athlete wants to get to the olympic games, so of course there is a desire, but whatever the political situation is, whatever the leadership decides, so it will be. well, we'll wait. vladislavich, let's trust the continental hockey league. and the limit on foreign players is a very important issue, and we reduced it to three, so now we are returning to five, your vision, so far no one is returning, not yet returning, yes , we are talking about the fact that this can happen very seriously, well, anything can happen, but for now there are three, we are very glad that three, we i have always stood on in this regard, i believe that we need to give the opportunity to our own players to play first, and then to foreigners, especially people like yagor, please, we don’t mind, three, there are enough of them, three good players, than we will now bring five, it’s not clear what kind of players .

that's why the finns won't come, the swedes won't come, they are forbidden to play, but what before, the teams have five five world champion finns, they score, they are our leaders, then they say: look, the finns score the most. so they don’t leave the court, most of them play on the court for 20 minutes, of course they score, ovechkin scores, why do you think he is on the court more than anyone, he plays in the majority, his whole team plays on him, but then, that he is talented is another matter, but today we have 60 places for boys, these are the moments of crisis today, that’s why we don’t play, we should have stars, not today, tomorrow they will appear, they appear, why, because we give the opportunity, if only you had a son for five years, it would take five years to raise him.

from the world, who are you going to win with, yeah , we were barely at bokovo, which means we prayed to god that of course we weren’t doing well, sorry, zhenya, so that he would fly out - in the finals, semi-finals there for his team, and he came to help us win the world championship, without him we didn’t win because we made a limit, we said either pay 9 million to the hockey federation or don’t pay nothing, but take the russian goalkeeper, and those clubs that are not rich and varlamov and bobrovsky appeared, they still say everything, i know that many have. countries have limits, they play very weakly at world championships, so for now, i think we don’t play at the international level, while three is enough. address of the president of the russian federation vladimir putin to the federal assembly, live broadcast on february 29 at 12:00 moscow

time, this is a hockey football podcast on channel one, my name is denis kazansky, visiting today. and we'll talk about what's happening in the continental hockey league. of course, in this situation, you can look at what is happening overseas, yes, we are looking at the conditional colony, where our goalkeeper tarasov plays, where we practically have five russians, and somehow there, in my opinion, in columbus not very worried that local guys don’t make it into the main team, because there are other teams, yes, there is competition, they understand perfectly well that now young voronkov, marchenko, they they are simply inferior to competition, why does it work, why is it a business there, and why?

and you don’t let us play, nothing, safety is everything, not a single word more, no, well, we’re all about safety, increasing the number of matches in the khl, you welcome, i think this is not bad, but we are not ready for this yet , they show you teams that simply sag, then they lose 5-6 matches in a row, then sk lost, then cska is losing now, you remember how bars lost that year, this suggests that our hockey players are not ready for this calendar, but over time it will level out in the nhl like this, like this, but people there are ready. this is why in our draft calendar we now have a shift in the gagarin cup final not to april 30, at the end of may we will finish, in mid-may we will finish, this is a hint that there will be nothing for now, nothing for now, for now yes , if there were a world championship it would still be all the same - with all due respect

to the intensive hockey league, to our hockey, anyway, preparation for the world championship and the olympics is the main thing, well, that’s natural, therefore, everything should go towards this championship, well, not yet today, it’s possible... just recently sergei ovchinnikov visited us , i think you remember such a goalkeeper who is now training coaches at the rfu academy, he said, that , paradoxically, it was a surprise for me, ties with uefa have not been severed, but at the level of the rfu academy, the dialogue continues, with ikhaf we also have a dialogue, there is, but it’s very similar, how to say, we don’t go there, we just we participate online, yeah, well, that is, dialogue there is, there is a dialogue, but... well, there is a dialogue, but very small, one might say why, because we do not participate in decision-making, well, voting, and we do not communicate, why such a conference, let’s say there, you ’re going in live contact with people, you know, exchange of opinions and so on and so on , there is no such thing here, a very important moment was at

the beginning of this season, this was the return of ivan fedototov, well, a difficult period for him, of course, he did not play for a year, a year didn’t play, he only played one game, as a goalkeeper is assessed by stability, he’s unfortunately. he is good he’s a goalkeeper, but he plays inconsistently, well, i don’t know why, we can talk about defense, but still he missed a year, so naturally he hasn’t reached the peak of his form yet. that’s what we wanted to wish him, of course, because he’s going through a difficult moment, after all, not playing for a year like this, he was at the top of his peak, and not playing for a year is, of course, difficult for a goalkeeper. and another big return: ilya kovalchuk in spartak, how amazing this story is for you, he comes out and we see that these two years outside the game, well, in fact, there were no, well, i want to say that they will still have an effect, because after all, not playing for two years, it has an effect, of course, he has his own skill and he, he’s like... a guy in the team, this is very important, this already plays a big role role, because everyone is looking at him, god forbid that he has enough strength for

the playoffs, because after all, the playoffs are very difficult, there are games in a row, the games will be very equal teams, that’s it here something else you can rest, take a break, then - that’s why i think he can handle it, he’s a great master, and of course talented hockey player, and i think he will help the team, torpedo nizhny novgorod is now considered a team where they trust the youth the most, they play... very brightly, do you like larionov’s hockey? yes, i like it, i really like it, he plays soviet hockey, but what is it? and soviet hockey is an entry into the combination zone, which means that when one enters, which means the second, as you know, the leader is on the plane, he drops back, passes, as makarov played, lorionov krutov, ifetisov, kosatonov, they were the whole movement, this and lorions they promote this kind of hockey, it doesn’t have such special masters, but they play very beautifully, it’s not enough. skill, because there are no such special stars, and the team is not highly paid, but there is a result, and

the most important thing is beautiful hockey, which i like, it differs a little from others, because some clubs play only defensively, but he plays like that soviet interesting hockey, which people like, and i like it, everyone plays like that, why are there such traditions, because traditions according to the coach after all, he sets the tone of the game, and he sets the task of how to play, each, each, each coach will lead the game in his own way, look at yours and yours - yours, what you have in the team, you know, what kind of players you have , and what do you think, this is the trend now , there are more and more such game teams, looking at what is happening, i think that there will be more, why, because if he has a result and he proves that this hockey is correct, which was in the soviet union, and he propagandizes, i think he has trainers will take the tactics into their own hands, in your opinion, now in our league there are those goalkeepers who, well , can really lay claim to the title of the best. in general in the world, it’s clear that bobrovsky is there, everyone else is overseas, we have better 10 goalkeepers there now, the game

is here in russia, the top three in your opinion, well, i like the goalkeeper of sk, of course, the goalkeeper of lokomotiv, serebryakov, yes, isaev, i really like two of them, i really like isaev, he plays very clearly, i watched him, how he played in russia 25, very, very clearly, he plays very well, and we have young goalkeepers too. there is, and ivanov is, and young goalkeepers, nabokov, is also appearing in magnitka now, at the channel one cup we talked about children's hockey, about the fact that there is a red machine program that helps schools in our country develop methodologically, and how -we were going to continue the conversation, let’s just continue it, in your opinion, at what age should a child start playing hockey? well, now we’re not going anywhere, i’d like it older, it turns out that today at 4 years old the boy should already be skating. and at the age of 5 he already joins the additional education team, so to speak, these

are the teams that five-year-olds are already putting together, they are already being taught something about skating, how to handle a stick , and so on and so forth, but now from the age of 5, that’s good, well, how can i say, but you can’t do anything, if you come to everyone, they won’t take you , that’s good or bad, i started at 11, well, the most important thing is not to kill the hunt, but it depends a lot on the coach, you know, i i guess, that. 5, 6, 7 years old, you just need the children to play not all the way, not across the board, you know, so that they get more pleasure from hockey, until what period of time to play, well, i think, up to 11 there, up to 10 years, they they have to half-heartedly , they have to play until they are 8 years old, and then look, already then other skills come, there is one thing from five to seven, and then from seven others come, tasks like formation come, the first is just so that he generally skate, had a stick, then it goes like this... work for about 8 9 10 years already you see, i would especially like it in general when the little ones play, well, we then said that

without results, because when the coach demands results, it means he is already recruiting the best, and at that time not everyone reveals their talents, you know, because one is revealed there at 10 years old, another there at 12-13 years old, you know, a boy’s talent is revealed in different ways, so give him the opportunity, and if the coach plays only for results, here he is for 5-6 years or at seven. 7 years, he will only put the best, second, the third excuses will sit longer, especially the third, fourth excuses, this is true, and at the same time, an even better player will leave for a big team, of course, there are some ideas about this, so that, really , they don’t take him away. so that this helps to develop, helps the coach himself, and the team to grow behind a big player, well, this is difficult to do, because now everything depends on the conditions, now in omsk, in chelyabinsk, in yaroslavl there are academies, that’s where it means , there is a hotel, two hockey

the fields, of course, are all in villages and where they are far from the center... where hockey is developing, it is difficult to develop, they have no competitions, but here they bring them, they live there, they study there, it’s like a boarding school, they develop there, therefore, from other teams, they send them there, because the best coaches are there, and people grow there, we also need to improve hockey, so there the golden puck solve their problems, in order to generally have fun, the guys play and some one- two people come out there, and then in these academies it’s focuses better now. you and i have already said about how early they start playing, you yourself at 11 years old, but then hockey would be different, and well, i think that a huge number of people who became superstars, they also revealed themselves quite late, and they have this the hunt was not killed in the game, to believe and actually love it, now well, there is a feeling that parents, firstly, compensate for some

of their shortcomings by sending their children to school early, you yourself say that what with 5 years the tricks begin, but after all this really harms both the child and , well, maybe even the game, just what to do about it, because you can’t do anything, because anyway the ban is not a ban, everything will be bypassed, they will still bring five, because if you bring your child to seven, and i am my child at five, well, my child at 5 years old will beat yours, because you are even 2 years older, but you don’t skate like that anymore, this is a boy who knows how to handle the puck, how to skate, has some skills, if already. so that everyone is from five, so all over the world everyone is from five, and we are not alone, we start everywhere , only there are others, there are some rules that they don’t allow power moves, somewhere you know, so it’s not like that, we don’t train every day , let’s say, but today everything goes almost every day train, everything, because there is a lot of competition, a lot, a lot of boys and girls, by the way, want to play

hockey, so there is more choice, you see, there are not many skating rinks, i agree with you that this is a big problem. we were in ukhta and we talked with the children's coach, who said that earlier in this region there were more than 12-15 teams for children, now there are four, and it is very difficult for them to compete with each other, there is no sports interest, because there is no ice , if there was ice, there would be, what is ice , schools appear there, that’s right, that means one school, a second school, a third in the same city, and if one school has two, well, what competitions, that means we have to go somewhere, and that’s expensive, that means going to competitions, that’s also expensive. pleasure, there are problems, you know, so, of course, the more schools there are, the more we will develop hockey, this is natural, this podcast is hockey not football, on the first one our guest is vladislav tretyak, we will continue to talk about children's hockey, hockey is a very expensive sport, and now i feel it more than ever, i it seems because sports brands have still left our country, yes, there is a replacement, and

still, don’t you think that this also somehow discourages children from hockey, well, naturally, not every family. may allow it, but then look again, you probably never thought that such a boy is 5 years old, he can put on skates , no, of course not, at the age of 11 i could put on skates, i have to, i could come from my uniform at the age of 11 on a trolleybus, on a bus around moscow, today you are 5-6 years old don’t let you go anywhere, that means there’s a wife in the family who shouldn’t work, yes, but today our mom and dad work, we have to earn money for the family, which means either the grandmother or someone has to drive the child. rinse, so that there at 6-7 in the morning, put on his skates, then put on his whole uniform, then stand for an hour and a half at this stadium, the conditions are not always cold , yes, then you have to come to the locker room to undress him, then take him home, and so on every five times a week, the uniform is still expensive, and the boy is growing, he needs to be changed all the time, so of course it is an expensive sport, but popular,

everything is full anyway, all our schools are full, try to get into cska, dynamo, that’s it. if you only think about money, it ’s impossible, you have to love, if, well , like me in front of you, i played for 21 years, and i washed my face with blood, then, you know, because you love your profession, you love hockey. you don’t think about hockey, yes, you want to be a world champion, you want to get into the team, but this is your goal, and if you worry about money and don’t train, nothing, nothing will work out, without love it’s impossible to achieve

anything, i’m with you i absolutely agree, it’s just that, again, my generation is there , and we were sent to hockey or any sports sections, so that we wouldn’t hang out in the courtyards, where the situation was quite difficult, now in my opinion, yes, we often see parents who compensate own again, problems in this are also seen in... look, sometimes your child doesn’t always listen, you spoil him in the family or it ’s not always there, the coach will listen, do you know why? yes, because he loves hockey, and he wants to play, and he wants to play in the first

season and in the second, and not sit on the bench, and he will do everything that the coach says, complete all the exercises, firstly, hockey allows you to fall, you know how to stand up for yourself, in a team, you are raised like in the army, there is also hazing small, respect for elders, i came too, and i was carrying ragulin’s entire uniform. firsov went after the game , hung this uniform from the cska fakes, wet, until you get divorced, you won’t go home, and now they go there on planes, they have all the servants, but before we did everything ourselves, the youth looked after the elders all the time, so on it was, and today it is, too, so hockey, today in general sport plays a very important role in the education of a person, we also need people who are, you know, strong, courageous, who know how to stand up, who know about themselves, you know, you live in life, you don’t know how you are, what you will do in extreme conditions, i know, i know who i will go into battle with, no, even with famous hockey players, whom i know, because as they say, all the guys, we're going somewhere

to canada, we'll see who's who, because they beat there, it's hard there, we didn't beat hockey as hard as in canada, and some were cowards, but even though they were famous hockey players, so you know how, hockey educates a person, this is very important, very important, why, because today, if i i would have to do it today... i would give it to sports, why? because sport really kills a person, especially for a boy. yes. coming back to today, do you see a problem with hockey equipment in our country? well , it’s still being decided, there are, of course, but we already have domestic ones , but you see, they don’t always want to, they always think that only the canadian one is the best, the chinese one is there, but still there are professional hockey players, they are still through agents, through order something from them , they are all dressed in professional hockey form, but we also produce it, and we will still produce it, maybe. it won’t be of the same quality as there, but still , these clubs are also quite good, and do you think we can compensate for this, why not, we can do anything if we want, and

not so long ago the president of the rfu, alexander dyukov, he already made such a popular expression, in russia there is no school of coaches, russian coaches, in hockey there is a russian school of coaches, well, we have a moscow institute, an omsk institute, that means departments. we have we have 1,500 coaches through the hockey federation , we go through seminars to accredit coaches, we are involved in this federation matter, well , the concept of russian hockey, that ’s what it is now, you are talking about the fact that you played as the national team of the soviet union when we were talking to you just now about alorionov , of course, this is the style, the russian style of hockey, is there such a concept now or not, well, now it’s all after the seventy-second year, everything went crazy , the canadians took it from us, we took it from them, we took it from them, they took the technical player from us , disciplined player, more passing game, and so on and so forth, hockey has changed, it has changed due to technology, due to,

firstly, materials, but if earlier the speed of the puck was 90 km/h, today it is under 180, can you imagine what it is this, the goalie doesn’t even have time to react, which means he can stop the puck from halfway across the zone, which means he just has to use his body to choose the right position and the stick now weighs 200 g, and i... could barely lift it, you know, it’s like out of onions this puck goes, then the rules changed, you see, before through as soon as it was possible to give apaz through one zone, now through two, the middle zone they pass through two zones at what speeds, can you imagine what changes, changes, the shape is different, the goalkeepers of the game are completely different, look at what shapes they have, like this buckets instead of a trap, if i had a bucket like this, i would probably catch more, damn, they have it right here, look at them for yourself... they all stand there like they’re puffed up, because they don’t have time, they don’t have enough reaction , they need to somehow stop the pucks, due to their shape they increase your body area, everything changes, and

the game changes, naturally. russia, yes, we play open hockey, it’s interesting, beautiful for the audience, for ourselves, but here in defense, they play in defense all the time, they scored two goals on the counterattack.

the result, which, well, in fact , is probably the main criterion, you need to combine both, you need to be able to play in defense, in attack, you watch every match of your grandson, well, yes, i discuss it with him every time on tv, i don’t watch all the matches, but i watch all the goals, and we’re with him after every match we discuss, and which goals he misses, what situation he is in today , constantly, you call him or he calls you, both me and him, but he is more after him, big conversations, just wondering how it works. we talk all the time , we talk all the time, why this is happening, how the team is playing and so on, what are its feelings, what is it, constantly, you have already said that this season there is no favorite in the continental hockey league, but if you outline the circle of teams, to what extent it is likely that torpedo and spartak can play each other in the final, two teams playing, these are the teams that you are talking about style, they have a specific style, that alexei zhamnov did it, that igorreonov, for sure. we know what these

teams would take away if there was audience sympathy , can they play among themselves, among themselves, they can, and why not, everything in this life is possible, that’s it, but although it’s difficult to predict, because we have both magnitka and ska , and cska, there is no need to discount it, although they are currently playing unevenly, but also locomotive, we have a lot of contenders for first place, a lot, but this is great, not like cska ska, or cska magnet. like every time or kazan, well, it’s interesting, well, yes, i’m doing this for the fans, yes, but for general hockey, understand, and for me, as the president of the hockey federation, the most important thing is that there are as many teams like this as possible, why, because when such competitions take place between equal teams, stars are born, professionals are born, who can then be taken to the national team and win the world championship, you know , because this is when you, you know, you have me as the first goalkeeper, i have a second goalkeeper,

when he didn’t sweat at all. but you need a pike so that you don’t get crucian carp, that’s right, that’s right, that’s it yes, but it’s true, true, that’s why the young people who come, they want to take first place, and this pushes the veterans to work, although he is an olympic champion, a world champion, but he will work, because if he doesn’t work, he will be transferred to the third link tomorrow. it is very important that young people i came when more teams are playing at this level and the ending is unpredictable, it ’s interesting, people come to hockey to get interested, so that the goalkeepers work harder, so that there are more chances, well , it’s not interesting if it’s 0:0 to play hockey, well people won’t pay, won’t come to the championship to watch the championship, but here today it’s very interesting, i’m just watching wonderful games, interesting, we have an absolutely

unique history, because new rules have appeared this season, they have appeared in russia, yes, and i think that their western colleagues may well take them and implement them, i mean a throw-in in the zone during a violation, remember when the break begins, and a three-second story with twists, you like such initiatives, that’s it it’s designed to make it more interesting, you know, so that there’s more interest, in the past there were even international federations, so that the throwing would not be in circles, but in the middle, right against... a lot of different things, but so that the goalkeeper would not be allowed to go beyond gate, but then there will be more interest, more chances, you know, limit the form of the goalkeepers , do everything to attract the fans, so that there are more chances, more goals, yeah, then there will be even more popularity, you know, and if you had the opportunity that what would you change about hockey? well, in my opinion, now in my opinion there is no need to change, for now let it all stabilize, in my opinion there is interest, i

like overtime. i like this, i know that as a goalkeeper, how hard it is when mikhailov, kharlamov and petrov played against me, they always played against me in cska, everything was 3:3, it was something, it was like that, i was just in the mood. because every second there you had to hit the puck and imagine against such players, so there is interest, beautiful interest, there is an experiment, you see, fedorov, he is an experiment, four players come out there, well, it doesn’t always work out, but there is also some interest , that’s why the bullets, you know, for the fans, you came, well, 0:0, 2:0, 2:1 won, well, when 2:2, and then again overtime, there are a lot of chances, and it also means shootouts, it was not in vain that i bought tickets, i watched a lot of interesting things, how the goalkeepers play. this is an interest, you know, we still work for the people, for the fans, yeah, and loop the theme of the national team, and we have russia 25, yes, head coach roman ortenberg, yes, but the national team , the national team is not yet, no , no , because we don’t, we all know who our

stars are, practically, that there are the same stars, then we have a lot of players playing in the nhl, so today, if there’s a championship there will be peace, then we will prepare, yes we will collect, but while there is no world cup, i think there is no point in holding it, in fact, no... we just received the answer to this question, that’s what i’m talking about, even previously, when we had breaks, they called from cska, from other teams there, just take ours to one or two tournaments, because there was no such thing. graphics, and today it is very difficult to gather even better players, why? because, well, we understand that look, the games are tough, the teams are trading one, the other, third, then they play unevenly, and if we still take them there for two or three breaks, and

play at a high level, well, they just don’t give in, they don’t give in like that, because the national team is not playing for the world cup, they are already good players, so when they join the national team. well, because we are a winter sport, and football - from the point of view of history, psychology, this is what is happening, because there are a lot of intersections, and cafe football and hockey, and yes , you played all these, well, i want to say, we all time to practice football, we have everything

hockey players played football really well, we have majors who played for spartak, for cska, for the main teams of football clubs, because the tactics are very close, the preparation, the tactics are very close. there is a difference, of course, that of course, we have ice, they have a field, well , that’s obvious, that’s obvious, yes, well, we have traditions, we have more victories, yeah, well , football, unfortunately, doesn’t have such victories, but at the same time football is number one, well football player is considered one, i think hockey, thank you very much, thank you for your time, thank you, this hockey football podcast, our guest was vladislav tretyak. minor-key discussions about loneliness, hope and despair, unhappy love and experiences that will resonate in the soul of every

person, these songs can be considered as an expression of the russian sad soul. hello, today we have gathered with thoughts about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon. hello, dear friends, vyacheslav, alexey belov, i am very glad to see you, what i read is from a modern article dedicated to russian rock, yeah, i would like as a warm-up question, to ask you how ready you are to agree with this, i would say that my aspirations now are still to talk more about happy love. why are they happy, but you are talking about now, in principle, if we can say, this is how the author of this article believes that a large segment of a rock composition is an expression of the russian sad soul, alexey nikolaevich, well, in some ways he is right, of course,

because, because if you say that, so to speak, dig deeper and says that sadness according to god, that is, about god, then this is probably so, yes, well, this is an eternal state. a person, because he never imagines himself in some kind of ideal, so he is always sad that he has not achieved something that... happens with difficulty, because this is what what

alexey is talking about is about those losses that occurred after adam, the first man, left paradise and came to this world, so to speak, about feeding it with his own efforts, well, of course, with god's help, but man is very i lost a lot, including things connected with nature, with nature, yes , if there... in paradise the animals knew him perfectly , they understood each other, moreover, adam was, so to speak, their patron of the earth, yes, he gave them names, yes, he he gave them names, then as soon as he went out of the gate and as soon as archangel michael closed the gate with his ball, uh, the animals stopped recognizing adam and they directly told him, you have lost the image of god, we don’t recognize you, they began to growl at him, and growl still. listen, i called rock musicians, theologians and friends came, but

i still want to torment you a little , you know, to ask you, maybe , to step aside a little, maybe even from your current internal experiences, although we will definitely talk about them, but i would still like to to talk to you, you know how in science there is such a method of included analysis, yes, when, because the scientist is usually already detached, yes, included analysis is when a person himself is engaged in some process, he describes it, yes, here i am, you know, with the courage of an amateur i want you like this... question to ask, if i understand correctly , russian rock has two sources, this is english-language music, and this is russian literature and, more broadly, russian culture, that’s how much you can agree with this formulation of the question , well, if you can say that a russian lesson is comfortable with these two parents, well regarding the english language, i think alexey will tell you very well now, maybe he can say it better, including richer experience in english.

this is what the second half of the 19th century is about , the composers of those who were called the mighty a bunch, especially musorsky, who probably inspired ostrovenskaya the most, in fact, even while in the united states, i suddenly found out that the most played composer in the world is chikovsky, i didn’t know before that, i was so surprised, but i asked my friend who is in second place, she studied classical music, she says: in second place is starovensky, in third is rakhmanov, this is a playlist of

classical radio stations in america, you know, that’s why, despite the fact that we do a lot they took it from english-language rock, this is of course a colossal school, colossal material in its own way, depth of depth, they took a lot from our russian music, that’s why it’s all for a reason, it’s a cycle. yes, water in nature, but this is really what you remember, our beloved maryana andrevna zhurinskaya wrote about rock, when as a phenomenon of world culture, yes, in my opinion, this is natural, the next, so to speak, was a stage in general in development culture, just like literature, but it can be called, who has whom, so to speak, i adopted it to a greater extent , this is also such a complex process, it continues to some extent, and well, as for modern music, we can say that... everything there has been very much crushed due to

the influx of various stylistics, sub-stylistics, that is, this is a branch that simply goes into subtle music, which is so specific that they, so to speak, gradually dissolve themselves in the air, because if you look at the architecture of the structure of a tree, yes, when it first goes into such powerful... . rock, of course, inherits russian literature, i was listening to you just now, you said about literature, i remembered that dostoevsky told us about the responsiveness of russian literature, and in the famous pushkin speech, that this is the genius of pushkin, that he could be so different from, it’s interesting , without inventing anything, if this theme

of the responsiveness of russian literature, it is preserved in russian rock, we can say that russian rock is responsive, but i think yes, because “we are so closely connected in general with the canons of literature, what's on my look, i don’t know where else the text is so developed , for example, in combination with music, but here it’s definitely a very important thing, and you will agree, nikolaevich, that it seems to me that this is a slightly clichéd perception that this is russian rock - it’s more text, or it’s based on text, and the western one is based on music, that’s what i heard. it’s just an opinion that this is a very simplified perception, especially western, there is such a thing, yes, few people know that the english language has more than 100 thousand more words than russian, and shakespeare’s dictionary more than pushkin’s dictionary, but russian, rock, it’s nowhere without a word, just, you know, if there is no word, then there is no russian rock, but in

english rock, the word also meant a lot, there it was conceptual and cult performers who became

... and then people just didn’t go deeper, so, probably, russian rock has a great future, when they start analyzing the entire past, very seriously, precisely from the point of view of russian music, then they will shovel all of dostoevsky, then they will be able to do something brilliant, that's what i want here, as you call it from this place in more detail, we once talked about this topic and then this thought stuck with me... including, forgive me for its non-obviousness, yes, you said, the best of russian rock is ahead, and if this will be able to connect with the depth of dostoevsky, yes, then this will be what we are all waiting for, yes, there is such a consistency, yes, that’s how much, well, again, i don’t want to offend anyone, but in my understanding, but dostoevsky - this is symphonic

music in any case, not necessarily the same pink floyd is, this is such a stripped-down dostoevsky, yes, yes, very fragmented, that’s it. they tried to dig into such philistinism, so to speak, and so, in fact, they achieved a certain effect, of course, dosaisky is millions of times broader, i really liked the statement, i forgot his name, this is an actor who received five or six emis, it’s like in tv series it’s like that oscar, so he came to orthodoxy, he says: i discovered dostoevsky, i often have to play terrible people, some kind of scoundrels, so i... suddenly realized that dostoevsky wrote about terrible things from a position of light, uh-huh, this is very difficult, this is very difficult, and this is a huge strength, for rock music it’s just a colossal field of activity, and you agree with that , what is still ahead at the russian horn?