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for you the goal is more important than people judas , judas brother you, he is just the opposite, we must leave, i ask you, leave, i ask you, follow me, big premiere, union of salvation, don’t wait for new incidents, where, when look after program time. it doesn’t happen that a person was in your life, so he disappears, even if he dies, in this girl you almost don’t recognize the child who 5 years ago lost his dearest mother, i don’t think that i am without her, i have a pile of memories , but this is my mother, yulia nachalova died very young, at 38, leaving her parents and ex-husband, beloved daughter, vera. i said that unfortunately, i have very difficult news for you that mom is no longer with us, what? at that moment, that evening
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he experienced, only he knows, it is a great responsibility to tell your child that his mother passed away. how did yulia’s only daughter survive this loss, what path did she take after her mother’s death? i’m somehow very mega-strong, somehow i pulled myself together, that is, our exclusive 5 years of adult life of a girl who decided, by all means, become a star in memory of the famous mother. when you appeared, my life changed. i will always be with you. exclusive with dmitry borisov, premiere on saturday on the first. academician harutyun avetsyan, protereus pavel velikanov, i am vladimir ligoido, today we gathered our thoughts about artificial intelligence. you know, i think that there is not a single industry in our life today where artificial intelligence will not be introduced. because again, i think karmar said, yes, that. 100% profit and dear mother
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the capitalist will sell, there is an obvious benefit from the point of view of our country, because on the one hand this is an advantage, hope, on the other hand, of course, there are risks associated with the loss of jobs, this is discussed there, well , understandable, but from the point of view of our huge country, where the population is not very large, automation of this order will help to master what is now difficult, in this sense, in a sense, it’s even easier for us, uh , agriculture, for example, well... we need to increase its efficiency, automate, this is all connected again with artificial intelligence, because in traditional ways, if you do this, it’s just very expensive, in medicine, uh, in fact, most of us just don’t go to doctors, to be honest, well, i have a population of mind, and therefore, what we are doing is we are trying to move in this direction and those that screen the population constantly passively, for example, honor the devices that we carry with us, they are single-channel and are already on the watch now. it became possible
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to bring a person to the doctor earlier, but how it is known that the earlier the diagnosis is made , the better it can be treated, from my point of view, this will not lead to the fact that doctors will not be needed, on the contrary, the pressure will be even greater, doctors will be needed more, but the efficiency factor can increase sharply, that is, if previously we served i don’t know 1.00 people there, then we can serve 10,000, but more, and a good doctor will be able to convey his knowledge to the regions, even to villages, where sometimes there are no doctors, god forbid that there was a filsher. that is, these are simple examples, and there are a lot of them, in fact, i ’m not even talking about production, where methods of analyzing production, i don’t know, flow have long been used in order to reduce defects, and it seems to me that there are simply no problems here, this needs to be implemented, i certainly not the person who, despite the fact that he said that safety, trust , who wants to stop this, but it needs to be done wisely, again, it needs to be done so that there is control over it, control does not mean that it usually people it is. you know,
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technologically, thank god we have enough an advanced country in this regard, we are not lagging behind anyone , here’s a little about the social consequences, but at one time, like many , i probably read martin ford’s book, the robots are advancing, remember this is the fifteenth, sixteenth year, at least the translation was in this time, i read it in translation, and there were many similar books, it’s surprising that almost all the forecasts did not come true, he said professions that will die out, i remember my friend, who understands this much more than me, he said professions the driver has 5 years left, the translator has 10 years left, yes, but can we today somehow responsibly, yes, as they say in evidence-based medicine, but responsibly from this point of view, say that there really are problems with the extinction of entire professions and that this is unlike anything, because ford argued, that the speed at which this is happening is unprecedented and no invention, including electricity, has ever produced more.
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and i’m a person from analog childhood, adolescence, youth, and i remember very well that if you had any problem in interaction with some different services, there was always a hotline phone number, i could call somewhere, and after some time i could hear the live voice of a live operator who turned on in one way or another.
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about education, here i got to my favorite topic, you said in some interview that when we had a round table with magim, and there, in my opinion, the mathematician gasnikov said that articles are written with the help of a bot and and if i understood correctly, you simply cited this as an example of such a well- correct use, and i ended up on
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some kind of bot there, well, in general, he says , write whatever you want, that means neural networks are welcome, the demo version is free, and i entered a task on the topic... which was clear to me on the topic of my dissertation, it generated a twenty-seven-page text very quickly in 3 minutes, well, part of the text was closed, because where is my version, so that i couldn’t use it without paying, but i can quite responsibly say that more than half of my students won’t write such a text, let alone in 3 days, in 3 weeks , question i’m specifically making a polemical point, what ’s good about this? the problem of education, from my point of view, cannot be solved if you don’t have an elite, but if we didn’t have one in our country...
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therefore, in elite places this does not cause problems, because there you either run a hundred meters in the required number of seconds, or you don’t you run, and the texts will not help you, this is an obvious thing in my opinion, again i am saying this now on purpose, the problem exists, of course, it needs to be raised, it needs to be discussed, but it is not in the plane that
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is being discussed, how to do it so that us quality education has grown, don’t try to close the chapter, because it’s impossible, because once again physical people will do it, what’s the difference, but how to do that in general you...
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we will not put it as a ministry as a cornerstone theme of human life in general,
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then we will have nothing to oppose to these technological ones, i would say even more radically, if we have already gone in this direction, if we do not dissociate the idea of ​​a person with a function, if we do not return to the understanding that a person is a seeker of truth, goodness, love, beauty, otherwise then, in general , artificial intelligence, no matter how we define it, it has already defeated us, i am afraid that we are now again endowing artificial intelligence. subjectivity we are trying to do this , not once again i am asserting that this is not so, there is no need to be afraid of it, but i would be opposed to serving the profession as such, i will explain why, because, well, and if it turns out that i don’t know, serving the profession is contrary to serving the homeland , what to choose then, either family, for example, or friendship, that’s what’s more important, it’s in the person, that’s the struggle, probably inner person and conversation.
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intelligence, look, yuri mikhailovich lotman, what did he say, when some kind of technological discovery appears, any, yes,
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some kind of revolution, breakthrough that should make life easier, it always first throws it back, because, as lotman said, he had, he spoke in terms of technology and culture, he said, technology had not yet become culture, now the telephone appeared, for the first time we can talk without seeing each other, and we don’t understand, you know, like text messages, we don’t understand, man answered us, he is upset, happy, him. anyway, yes, that is, time must pass, says lotman, for technology to become culture. my question is: the speed with which changes are happening today, not even the speed of implementation , the speed of the appearance of something, but the implementation that you... talked about, yes, doesn’t this problem make it extremely acute, can we say that there is the problem is that in lotman’s terms, technology does not have time to become culture, i absolutely agree, moreover, we are right here, each of us can see that throughout our lives these so-called revolutions took place several times, although from the point of view of a person who deals with it, this is simply an evolutionary development,
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but the world around has changed, and what is happening now in social networks... this is only the beginning, because we will be there to immerse ourselves more and more, there are already countries where millions of people simply don’t leave their homes at all, i, as a layman , don’t see anything good, from the point of view of these people, they already live in this normal for them, and it seems to me that they are adaptive human mechanisms, after all, they are not limitless at some point, this also changes, it does not allow, let’s say, a person to come to god, because there is no time anymore, he always lives in a comfortable environment, without understanding, that... on the one hand, it seems to be accessible to everyone, on the other
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hand, it may not be of the highest quality, because our educational experience shows that after all.
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i don’t use everyday life activities, but generative artificial intelligence, which will increasingly become help us, it has its negative sides, which are sometimes rarely talked about, that it can generate very plausible, but untrue, well, for example, when i spoke at the academy of sciences, i gave an example in november, a book was published from afar under such
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a generated book on mushrooms about mushrooms, well , this is a very good topic for us. if you read it and do what is written there, you will simply get poisoned, which is why we argued many years ago that there should be trusted artificial intelligence, among some of the points that we have to execute, this is related to data, for example, federated learning, but also watermarking, so that we can clearly determine, know whether it is generic or not, why, because from my point of view the technology does not exist, which can accurately determine whether it is fake or not. literally in september 2003 , the united states government signed with its five large companies that any generated content must have watermarks so that the consumer... definitely i can determine whether this is genetic or not , active work is currently underway in this area, i hope that in the next few years i’m not sure, it’s just that it will essentially be criminalized, those who post
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content that does not have such watermarks, they will i think that the rest of our country will follow this path, because otherwise it won’t work. why am i telling you this, that this is one of the examples of how society is gradually starting to limit this matter, at least. not in the sense of prohibiting, but what do i, as a consumer, have the right to know, i ’m looking, is this what my neighbor is saying or has it been generated? yes, this kind of work will be increasingly in demand, and in this sense we are not lagging behind either, we are developing one of the countries in the world that has the appropriate technologies, and it seems to me that this is very important, on this optimistic note , dear friends, i am extremely grateful to you, i think we have talked about a lot of important things, thank you very much. today we gathered our thoughts about artificial
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intelligence, fears, hopes about it. all the best. hello, the creative industry podcast is on the air, i’m sure you remember these immortal lines, you don’t choose times, people live in them and die, there is nothing more vulgar in the world than crying and blaming, as if you can exchange those for these, like in the market, and children’s, they first brought me to the house where pushkin lived, they said, wait, i asked, this is the neva river, they told me, what are you, this is a car wash? usually guests come to our studio, but today we came to visit the great poet and his beloved city, because st. petersburg and
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kushner are inseparable. let's go, hello, hello, i'm pleased that you invited me, well, since i write poetry, this will amount to it. basically the topic of our conversation, i started writing poetry very early , probably around 9:10, i think that a child’s knowledge of death, early knowledge, at 4 years old, at 5 years old, contributes to growing up, and maybe even how- it influences... poetry, my father, returning from the front, he fought on the leningrad front, reached the port of pelau in
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germany, and by the way received an order red star back in forty-two, and my mother and i lived with relatives of my father’s older sister, in syzarny, we were hungry, one day my mother worked, she worked. i was typing on a typewriter , brought a bun from work, and it was absolute happiness, because in my eyes, i no longer remembered, i didn’t remember that there were buns in the world, only bread, in kindergarten, for example, i remember two wonderful children, brother and sister, little ones and one day they come crying. what's happened? did your father die at the front? it's clear. i think that the knowledge of a child,
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early knowledge of death at 4 years old, at 5 years old, contributes to growing up. and maybe even somehow influences the future. poems, well , that means i can read, let’s say i took a big book with me, uh, so i’ll read the poem that was included in my book, the first impression was called, you know, this is 60, 1962, can you imagine when you... when i’m really sad, i’ll take out my notebook, don’t shout, don’t sigh, i
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’ll call someone. oh, the voices of my friends, thank you, thank you, for being at home on late evenings, for that in the difficult intertwining of love and your grief, you forgot how you lived, you said nothing, behind ordinary words there was such kindness. as if god was behind you telling you then, and imagine, a poem with the word god was published in soviet times, yes, it’s amazing, really, one day i call brodsky and ask, how are you living, nothing,
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that is, they remembered this poem, you know, i ’ve been to london, paris, venice and rome, nothing is better than st. petersburg, i still don’t know, and this is not boasting, st. petersburg seems to me very beautiful, only the only condition is that you have to come in the summer, around the building. headquarters, you are a roll of yellow paper, unfolded from left to right, concave like the sky, oh, sky, oh, sea, drawing gloss, oh, cold sky, height, oh, escape from the hands of the italian, curl up into a tube again, under his gray cloak
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, under the arm, so that the shoe would tear, rub, so that the italian would huddle in the shade of st. petersburg gardens, in the wind in the wild cold, and two glances after, i understand, between a century and a moment, there is no particular difference, more than slender buildings, i will love the features urban, cheerful is consciousness, their mysterious liveliness. quarenghi was a classicist, and did not like baroque, but shoot, he said so, but when i pass by the smolny cathedral, i take off my hat. yes, and i really want to take my hat off, that’s
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the thing, because... really uh the city is so beautiful, why? it is all crossed by rivers, where you will find such an avenue as nevsky, which is crossed by the moika, and the fontanka, and the griboyedov canal, which of course is more correct to be called ekaterinsky, because griboyedov is a muscovite, he has no place here well, it was built under catherine, and then there’s niva, yes. and so on, in general, an absolute miracle, yes, here is the poem st. petersburg rivers, i see, i see , early in the morning, rushing into the neva, and the bypass, and the fountain , like a bottle, i’ll steal the kronverkh river, and the bridleless channels, i see their agility in the morning.
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.. the name on a tablet of a deadly black river, an elusive thread, i hear , i hear, an awkward sigh, the cry of a life lived , i see ekateringovka, glare, reflections, horseshoes, a bold reflection, oil, i see a gray tint, a sink, an umbrella of hooks, a climbing wall, a buckle , karpovka, smolenka, styx, cocytus, i am an acherunt , you see, i connected two ancient afterlife rivers to the st. petersburg rivers, well, because st. petersburg has not seen anything in its lifetime, in its history, it has not seen enough, you will come home, rustling with a cloak , wiping away the rain
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on your cheeks, is life still mysterious, is it still mysterious, there is no need for shadowy ghosts. dark without that, oh the prose in it, even stranger, more mysterious of all, life is dear to me, close-up, unevenness, and znov, the flaw seen in it, as if through a strong microscope, a biologist will say, screw circling around, so that i can’t take my eyes off, i don’t know if there is a soul in us, but in a cage... he will say, there is, and he is all the more embarrassed that he is initiated into the secret, well, that means we can still live, mysteriously, yet, you will come home, home, your hand in the chalk, as
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if propping up, and this night, and this darkness, and the stone portal, marble and granite teach us, not to remember insults, but to remember how foliage flies to the feet of careotides, how the world sways, hold on, it’s not like the leaves are falling off my cheeks, i decided to brush it off, i made life even more mysterious, these are the poems, you see, they are unusual, yes, in rhythm, in size, and why is the sleeve cute, so i worked at school, how did it happen that on the one hand you were scolded by the soviet government
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and scolded by the soviet press, on the other hand they printed a lot. can i tell you why? now i will read it and you will understand. and yet i feel confident, and so as not to take over my soul, for a while, blinding me, i have two things to do, my friend, two things to do, even if they try to confuse me, i’m not busy with business, they say, with two things, i’ll risk myself with a swallow compare in the sense that i mosh with two wings, hold me, an air stream, i glance, i'm looking at you i insist, who is clumsy here, not me
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, i move the pen and press the chalk, and if someone standing behind me pounces and hits him with a wing, i will say this, you will get dirty with me, two things to do, i, my friend, have two things to do, it’s clear that i couldn’t be called a tuniyan, that’s the whole secret, at the dacha, where there’s a river to a field, to a bush at my shoulder, the president’s arrival to gaulle means almost nothing. while a military band is playing marseillaise in moscow, we reach for the forest with a cloud and cheerfully look around, your arrival in
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russia, a page of history, brezhnev said, i i would meet you, before the titmouse, sings, mr. general. more difficult, is it clear why? the first time i came there alone, and i’ll tell you this , lydia yakovlevna ginsburg brought me a lot, she was a wonderful philologist, she was a student of yuri
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tynyanov, ekhenbaum, shklovsky, she studied with them, with genuine philologists who discovered new things. she was pleased that i always ask her to read some poem, not only i read it, she also appreciated some poems, some of mine, i don’t remember well. message from the president of the russian federation federation of vladimir putin, federal assembly, live broadcast on february 29 at 12:00 moscow time, i think that the best thing... in russia is its poetry,
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you wonder if anyone there can compare, well, that is, no , of course, the germans have many wonderful poets, the british too, but still, as soon as you start listing them, starting with the derzhavins, it’s true, you don’t forget batyushkov to pushkin, yes, you don’t forget pushkin’s brotherly friend, and so on and so on, so on. the list will probably contain several dozen names, the russian language, i want to say, in general it’s designed incredibly conveniently for poetry , honestly, well, i don’t know french, well, since they always have the stress on one on one syllable, everything on the last syllable, but with us it can be on the first and on the second on the third on the tenth. as you like, further in western
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poems, and not only in western ones, the phrase must begin with what, with the subject, i went, i went out into the street, yes, he looked out the window and so on, and we, and here we are, rowdy clouds, flying, ridge, this is pushkin, where are the ones present? at the very end of gred's sentence, this is where it is, and this gives the poet the opportunity to wonderfully use these things in poetry, take advantage of them, they help write poetry, here i will read a poem, i love the tyranny of rhyme, one achieves sudden meaning and perfection, and truly,
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a bird of paradise suddenly flies , it turns out, there is on the earth of bliss, how unhappy i would be, without it i would be forced, without a barrier, an obstacle, from an expensive hint, and not... but our language was invented by a genius, and
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there are as many of these as you like, you know, this, this some kind wonderful, free, some kind of great freedom in the russian language in this sense with an epigraph, cruel may with white nights from the block, there would be no place for fear or anger, everything would be forgiven to us, sins, if there were abroad, in europe, the russians knew poetry, if they had been able to read them in russian, they would have said it like this, i dreamed of lermantov during camping schnels, and then of parsnip, you know, tanks, submarines, aircraft carriers, a fit drove past the grove in
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a carriage, block stood at the gate, may really can be cruel, disastrous, white night, it’s impossible to cool down these construction projects with reason; time is insurmountable; my first book was torn apart, it was terribly scolded in the newspaper. change of leningradskaya komsomolskaya and you know where else in the moscow magazine krokodil, where they scolded bribe-takers and embezzlers, and then i...
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for what, for intimacy, this was a favorite word, they scolded me for intimacy, for the love of objectivity, for the absence of poems about great construction projects, well, of course , of course, what will i do, and who will i imitate, i don’t want to say anything against the poem of longimeau, more of ascension,
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rich in their own way, lives in an uncharacteristic melancholy, the sound does not go with the sound, and the lips are compressed, it is in a rich foreign language, all languages ​​imagine a picture, all moski, the colors are written by someone else’s hand, the original and... the copy are close, but raphael on the copy, like a mask , will be liked, but is unlikely to delight, no matter what frame the list is stolen, the poet values ​​​​his country, loving it in grief, in misfortune, so
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for me this was really important, so i remember, they wanted to ask me a question : why didn’t i leave when they were leaving, yes, many, yes, where am i leaving russian poetry, the russian language, for me it was unimaginable, and not only for this reason, but for me a great example was akhmatova, there was pasternak, there was manderstam, there was nikolai zabolotsky and so on, everyone who stayed here, they left. i came to school, and my students looked at me with kind eyes, and sympathized with me, they understood that this was dishonest, this defeat, and moreover, the book was swept off the shelves, the ten thousandth edition was instantly
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sold out, i’m not bragging, well, brodsky had to leave, he had a different character, he had a different character, it was not for nothing that he wrote the cry of a hawk, and i wrote about seagulls and swallows, well, then they really didn’t publish him, they held a trial for him, a shameful one, of course he was tortured, but i must say that he was bored there , in fact, i know this, because when i asked him about... well, how do you like me here and you were visiting me with him, you didn’t let me out in soviet times, then you let me out, i say, well , how do you like it here, he says yes no no matter wrote an angry poem against me called what?

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