regiment, but these officers, they became rebels in the eyes of the soldiers, so , in fact, this, so to speak, desire arose to try to win them over to their side at the expense of this orthodox catechism, so to speak, under the slogan of some ideological revolutionary and to discipline, it didn’t work, and the apostle basically finished the ants, his activity ended as: just as classically perfect as the story with pugachev and razin, they surrendered theirs, yes, this is a historical podcast russia west on a swing history, today we are talking about the decembrists and the decembrist uprising, the most important problem was that they were not psychologically prepared, what they were preparing for theoretically, that they, of course, actually showed their behavior , the legacy, who led? yes, the harsh legacy

of lunin, who simply despised those who interrogated him, because the police profession interrogating is shameful, lunin is generally a separate story, and some kryukov second from the society of the united slavs, who was silent, so he was the law in shackles, according to the tsar's instructions , just like lunin, who, by the way, could have escaped, he was konstantin's adjutant, a little bit, konstantin sent him to hunt to the german border in poland, they say run, but lonin refused to run, he actually went and went ultimately death, because in siberia there are still legends that he didn’t just die on the kakatui cathar. that he was killed, but the legacy of many of them, including the apostle, talked about their plans in the hope, again, that the king would listen and carry out reforms, yes, in the end tightening the screws, as a result, some of the historians actually believe that the defeat of the decembrist uprising did not lead to the approach of reforms, on the contrary, to conservation, i don’t agree with this, i would rather say that nicholas was not going to reform anything in any case,

and... we don’t need smart people, but loyal subjects , but then, well, then he was a man who, well, he believed that he ordered the collection, we prepared a note, what the decembrists proposed there, he considered it, he i admired her, yes, nevertheless, you are right, he did nothing in this regard, well, secret committees on peasant affairs, which did not even know about each other’s existence, yes, yes, but in general.

he believed that russia didn’t need new shoes, they just needed to be patched up a little, and so he , in principle, worked hard to patch them up before the kremya war, because these shoes were patched, they were good enough in normal times, that’s when i had to go on a hike, but it turned out that these actual shoes, so to speak, were not suitable, they were falling apart before our eyes, uh, i can’t help but quote. the brilliant beginning of the death of vazir mukhtar, yuri nikolaevich tynyanov, whom we know as a philologist, but he is a brilliant writer, in my opinion, in my opinion, no worse than bulgakov, that’s when he wrote on a very cold square in december 1825 ceased to exist people of the twenties with their jumping gait, and i let it pass, and benckendorf’s otzeya muteness became the sky of st. petersburg, benckendor third department, the situation really has changed, well, it’s clear that tynyanov wrote this, when they were gathering over russia.

but if we talk not about quantity, but about quality, then yes, of course, the quality of human material, to put it cynically, was very high, yes, so they were really very much missed later, the future, the future, she, well, i don’t know, chances they didn’t have it, they couldn’t, you know, maybe if it had happened, i don’t know, in a few years, they would have succeeded, well, anyway. they would have taken power, but

an unexpected event happened, so to speak, the king died, this death found them, so say, at a time of controversy, uncertainty.

it had to be painful, because russia, from my point of view , then paid for the lag in the abolition of serfdom with three revolutions at the beginning of the 2nd century. i agree that the decembrists could not have succeeded in the state they were in. so, we nevertheless know that this tightening of the screws under nicholas i then led, alas, to the tragedy of the crimean war , as it later came out of this, again with the help of some analogue of revolution from above, when they talked about the decembrists, they did not say this phrase. but they actually wanted to do just that, seize the heights of power, yes, carry out a revolution from above, a new revolution from above was needed later, which nevertheless turned out to be less radical, but still painful, well , historians, you know, as always, gather two historians, there will be three opinions, yes,

be that as it may, of course, at that moment russia was not ready, it, that is, of course, a revolution, i don’t know, there pestil would have become rabesper would have executed apostle muravyov or muravyov the apostle would have executed, so to speak, i don’t know, it’s difficult to predict, and the surname here is in general, so i gave it purely conditionally, because the revolution finds its hero in the crowd simply with talent, and then these heroes, well, as you know, as i said, are devoured, so to speak. all directions of social thought were forced to determine their attitude towards cabrism and inevitably took into account this decembrist , these in general lack of silver, according to which we must give up their own privileged position in order

to, even at the cost of their lives, odoevsky exclaimed, who wrote a response to pushkin from siberia, yes, oh, how gloriously we will die the day before, that is, in order to still... live better , self-sacrifice is acceptable and necessary, and in general, people who, as i started with, yes, have everything, the means justify the goal, not everything, but this will also be, i think, a topic for a separate conversation, of course, we will definitely continue let's discuss, we tried to figure it out today, in the phenomenon of decembrism, to what extent it influenced our history, a very controversial topic is, to the best of our ability, old. this was a historical podcast about russia and the west on the swing of history. pyotr romanov and sergei solovyov were with you. we were actually talking about people who were very few in number, but who, as our

conversation today probably showed, greatly influenced and still continue to influence our history to a certain extent. study history with us, along with the historical podcast russia and the west on the swing of history. you all. podcasts russia west on the swing of history can be viewed on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru. dear friends, the creative industry podcast is on air on channel one with you, as always, the presenter elena kiper, producer and music video director. and roman karmanov, general director of the presidential fund for cultural initiatives. and our guests are the president of the computer sports federation, dmitry smith, and e-sportsman, dota-2 player, evgen egibeshny. hello. hello. so, regarding e-sports, firstly, the

audience that is watching us now, i i think, most likely, this is treated as something generally quite distant: esports, or or thinks. that this is a person who sits at a computer, plays all day, this is, in principle , an esports player, in principle, well, from a philistine point of view, this is a person who spends a lot of time occupying. no one knows what, well, no, i follow this logic, a man who once went out to play football in the yard, he has already become a football player, this is not so, this is approximately, well, this is approximately what it looks like, this is very - what is an e-sportsman, so i would say an e-sportsman is a person who engages in e-sports, and here the question is, what is e-sports and how does it differ from gaming, because when a person just plays, he has fun, well, at best , without harm to health, sports ... a moment arises when a system appears , a training system, there is a team, there is a coach, there is

a sleep, wakefulness regime, there is a training regime, there is a nutrition regime, there is physical psychological preparation, that is, naturally, in strong teams there is sports psychologists and even in the standards of sports training for esports physical activity is prescribed, because the phrase in a healthy body, a healthy mind is not just beautiful words, i myself... was a world champion in starcraft for a time and i know how important it is to be physically fit uniform , because when you come to competitions, the surroundings are different, water, food, everything is different and the tension is colossal, yes, before there was not such a lot of money as now, but the honor of the country that you represent has always been pressing, that’s it it was very important not to disgrace one’s honor , not to disgrace oneself in front of the fans, and the cost of a mistake is very high... at this moment a person needs to give his all, and for this physical fitness is very important, as it

took shape from gaming, moved to e-sports or there was no such connection, but esports arose on its own, of course it did not arise in a vacuum , no, there was no money in esports for a very long time, but esports arose from the desire to compete, and you want to compete fairly according to the rules. accordingly, then the rules appeared, the judge appeared, and then e-sports began to emerge, for the first time e-sports was recognized as a sport, it was in russia in 2001 that mr. roshkov signed an order, so our sport appeared, how we managed to convince that this is a sport, and it is better to see once than to hear 100 times when a person they say that he always perceives something of his own, some analogies, when a person comes and sees what it looks like, we... actually used this, showed a demonstration, that is, how athletes compete, that these are

really young guys and healthy and not some fat people who were heavier than a mouse and didn’t hold anything in their hands, well , that is, we had to break the stereotype, it turns out that dmitry and i are the same age, generally speaking, it turns out that he promoted sports and developed it , and evgeniy... he already appeared when it was already a sport, and for evgeniy this is a sport and a given, so it turns out, it turns out that now there are quite a large number of young people, they believe that getting into e-sports is, well, same achievement as professional football, hockey and so on, but where did the desire to get into e-sports come from, was that what you were going for, or the same? from gaming, at first it was just leisure for me, that is, when i was still

little there, i studied right there in the sixth grade, just like other children, it was something new at that time, i wanted to play games , that is, i walked there with friends, returned home, uh, computer, games, like all children, it was very interesting, over time, uh, interests changed, uh, but at one moment i realized that i do it better than others, that is... i played there with friends, with other people, and i beat them, because of this i wanted to somehow become better, then the first quarrels with my parents began there, when they say you spend too much time on the computer, i was limited in this , at one point it was already enough when i was an adult, that is, i was in the eleventh grade and there were exams coming up, i decided for myself that i could try myself in this path, because all sorts of tournaments that took place they were covered and... i saw that you can make money from this and decided to try myself, how much money can you make

from e-sports? well, for comparison, here are the players who play at the highest level, they recently won, just like recently, two years ago they won the largest tournament, they received 44 million dollars for the team, well now it has become more interesting and much more conversational, well, these are the highest players, who have reached the very heights, yeah, uh, this is a team, yes, this is a team game, this is very.

split second it is very important that the whole team, as a single organism, could react to changes in the situation, and here it is not enough to do homework, play out, so to speak, the beginning of the game, the further from the beginning of the game, the more unpredictable everything goes, you have to make a decision along the way, this is improvisation, this is clearly defined communication , this is leadership at certain moments, and of course, this is the will to win, yeah. and the e-sports institute will be an institute , we don’t promise you, we ’re releasing a textbook this year, yeah, very interesting, and that is, when you talk about training, this apparently long distances are temporary , at which you need to be attentive, yes, i understand correctly, that is, you have already named several qualities of an esports athlete,

i want you to continue this list, please name also, what kind of psychological quality is this? resistance to stress, yes , that is, then endurance, apparently temporary, yes , discipline, discipline, endurance - this is the first thing, because sometimes when you play a tournament, you have to sit there for 7 and 8 hours, practically without getting up, that’s not the issue here the fact that you sit without getting up , you see, we conducted research - athletes during the final game, hung sensors, took telemetry of their bodies, and so the level of mobilization of the body is comparable to what a formula racer experiences: that is, this is very high tension, imagine being in such tension for several hours, several days, that is, the competition goes on for more than one day, you have 40 minutes, relatively speaking, an intense game, then you have 15-20 minutes to bring yourself into form, rest a little, decompress, and then go back into battle, this naturally

requires very high endurance, so evgeniy said that... there were problems with parents, a negative attitude towards the fact that a child sits at a computer, it is more common than if a child goes to play hockey, football, and so on, you somehow fight it, work with it, we don’t fight, we try to educate, we have, for example, a website, on it there is , first, safety brochure, that is, how to protect posture, how to avoid carpal tunnel syndrome, how to preserve vision and... i repeat once again, if a child sits at the computer at night, plays something and says: mom, i will be an e-sportsman, this is not so, i need to

sleep at night , from this point of view, once again, as i said, sport is a system. but the parent’s task is to figure it out, and for this the parent must understand the basics, that is , when the parent looks at what the child is doing, he must immediately identify whether this is some kind of systemic activity, or whether it is just entertainment, in any case, it doesn’t matter what it is, isn’t it harmful to health, this is important, well, this is an interesting question, by the way, because in ordinary sports, as we

understand it, there are professionals, professional sports, sports high achievements, and there are athletes. amateurs, so-called, in that other case we understand that they, in principle, are, as it were , the first, they, of course, must comply with everything you say, an amateur athlete, in any case, he brings himself health and joy , here is an amateur athlete in esports, how is he different from a gamer, that’s his name, how to distinguish them? well, everything really depends on him, because if his goal is to get some kind of income and go to a higher level, then he should, just like all esports athletes, stick to training there, well, there should be discipline, and if he just wants to play some tournament there. with friends, so to speak, to go for fun, then well , nothing prevents him from doing this, it is done there, registration in the tournament takes 5 minutes,

look, now it’s only with our support, but there are seven online tournaments a day, and besides us there are other tournament operators who hold their own competitions, so almost at any moment, no matter where a person is in kalingrad. in vladivostok, he always has the opportunity to go online and take part in a competition, this is exactly the same mass amateur level, then, if a person understands that he is generally interested in this, he already then begins to participate in the championship of his region, in there student competitions, if this is a high school student, we have a school league in which you can take part, that is, in this way a person can already try to move forward, for everyone. its own motivator, for some it’s fame, for some it’s money, for others it’s, well, in general, here everyone has their own. we continue the conversation

about e-sports, our guests today are dmitry smith and evgeniy pogrebeshny, an active coach, i would say, a nurturing e-sportsman, but i can’t help but ask about it, there are a lot of discussions about what to do so as not to lose young people, esports... has an impact on distracting a young person from the street, from under the so-called bad influence, keeping him on the threshold, so to speak, rash decisions and so on like that, yes, yes, this is of course, in fact esports and well , in general, the world of gaming, the computer, it can completely pull a person out of reality, that is, a person may simply not take care of himself, just as he can become dependent on computer, so what about this?

that when we started our relationship, i was a full-time student at the institute, and maybe i could also go into e-sports, i would say so, because i’m undecided, i kind of played

in tournaments, that’s what you said, i was an amateur to play in tournaments, and i was thinking about going to work in my specialty or becoming an e-sportsman, and accordingly the girl pushed me to the idea that since this is my hobby and it can bring in some income, then why not, how to combine work with a hobby. this can be said to be a person's dream, well yes, this is true, but what was the specialty, uh, organization management , that is, well, this manager won’t run away, but he won’t run away, you ’re done with that, i’m in my second year, when i decided to become an esports athlete and came to my parents with this question, i said that here i am at the institute , uh, there i pass the exams, i go, but i would transfer to correspondence and try myself in e-sports, and at that moment my mother told me that let’s let you translate for a year. for correspondence, if there are any results, then continue, if there are no results, then recover full-time, back to the institute and, well, finish the institute, well, i transferred to

the correspondence institute and there a month later i won a fairly large tournament for myself, we won 500,000 rubles for the team there, and accordingly i transferred to the correspondence institute, i still graduated in correspondence just this year, i recently defended my thesis and

that the more a person understands the world around him, the better, and esports teaches you to conduct analytics in many ways, analyze, draw conclusions with your own head,

and not try to find ready-made ones somewhere solution. a come up with something new, your own, unique , then, let's look again, if we are talking about e-sports, these are not only athletes, these are not only coaches, judges, this is a huge industry around, these are people who, in fact, are scouts, managers , of course, are sports psychologists, but besides this, this is a huge piece that deals with lighting, that is... these are broadcast directors, and these are commentators, these are analysts, these are the people who, relatively speaking, in the virtual world control the cameras and so on further, that is, this is a huge amount people, well, for example, here we are again, about 100 people went to saransk now, people, this tournament was served at this stadium, and a bunch of people worked online, that is, esports is an industry,

an industry that at one time... was in a poor state, now it is actively developing, it has not yet reached its peak, and nevertheless, now this is a huge number of jobs, but for me it is much more important that e-sports makes people think this is actually nowadays it’s important, well, here i am, i’ll also go back a little more, after all, martial arts, as we know, each has its own code, when a guy... from the street gets involved, relatively speaking, well, how it should be, yes , when he gets involved there, as we know, this code influences the benefit of the skills he acquires, do e-sportsmen have such a code , do you proactively search for these same guys, athletes, well i understand that scouts , we already understood that these are the people who are looking, but the question is where are they looking? there is no code as such, but esports teaches discipline. and

there is another very interesting term - sports aggression. sports aggression, it exists in all sports, even in chess. and the task of a competent coach is to teach an athlete to dose out this same aggression, because if a person is completely non-aggressive, he will not have normal motivation for the will to win. if he is excessive, he may succumb to emotions and make mistakes. very important. dose this story if we talk about where scouts are looking e-sportsmen, they actually look for them at competitions, there are many competitions, as i already said, amateur ones, but you can look at the results, secondly, in the game itself there are usually some statistics, and there are some indicators, parameters by which again you can to track both those who have already achieved a certain level, and a competent scout can

see one taking off... probably at the age of 10, uh, i just sat at my father’s computer, played, then my godfather gave me a computer, actually, what’s the question, the earlier a person is a sportsman starts to study, the better , as you know, both yes and no, now we know, well, now we know, well, if you take a child at 5 years old to the skating rink, you’re doing great, but if you take a child at 5 years old to study , that means it's a computer game, uh, or that's not how

it works, that's not how it works. this means, naturally, we have a ministry of health that sets age limits for each sport that we are allowed to compete in. people from 14 years old, and for classes in the section 12 years are enough, well, of course, with permission parents. for the country, what is the benefit of the fact that we have the strongest players and esports in general is developing, and pragmatically, well, what is the benefit for the country that we have great chess players, or how uncomfortable we are because our football players are not always, let's put it mildly... they achieve success, that is, there is no kind of pragmatism , why not, this is an image, this is a perception, look, when we say that russian e-sportsmen are the most desirable foreign players in any team in the world, this

prestige, pride, the perception of our people of our country by people from all over the world, it seems to me that this is a very important point, but again, you understand, the task of sport, of any sport, is not to set a world record, it is the task of growing harmoniously a developed personality who will have those behavioral patterns that will allow him, this person, to become successful in our world, this is where e-sports is now, it does not oppose itself to traditional sports, it is the opposite. says we have to go hand in hand, there is traditional sports , there is computer sports, that’s it, when a person does both one and the other, then he becomes harmoniously developed, and there are already coaches in e-sports who say: now i will teach you, you will

earn millions from this , well, there are coaches who do not work in this way, they are like a ghostly sixth player, that is, in the team where i play, there are five players and accordingly. most often in the organization there is a coach who, after you have played the games, he starts watch all your games, all your replays , every action and then analyze with the team where you made a mistake, where you didn’t make a mistake, where you played well, that is, he performs a debriefing, dear friends, we continue the conversation about e-sports, our guest is dmitry smith and evgeny pogrebeshny. what is the life cycle of an esports athlete, how many years has he been actively working, then comes either to coaching, or somehow joins this business? this partly depends on the discipline, but in the absolute majority it is still

sport of young people, that is, at the age of 24 , sports old age already begins to set in, that is, i myself lived this story, i felt when my head understands what needs to be done, but my hands already. they don’t have time, and of course this is very unpleasant, so in general, somewhere around 24-25 is a certain limit beyond which one goes, there are unique people who, at 30 at 35 years old, show a phenomenal reaction speed, but this is very very rare, well, there is already some kind of practice, these are people who come out, so to speak, from the big sports, they remain within the perimeter of sports, or they go away to do completely different things, and you know, this is determined, of course, by... the person, but i can say that many become coaches, many become judges, and if a person is charismatic, he goes into commenting and becomes a famous streamer, someone runs a blog, well, that is, there is huge potential here, yeah, that’s

what the esports player plays and about? - mostly shooting games, well, look, then let’s say what kind of scenarios what kind of discipline in computer sports is it... tied to there is no script, but what you call shooters, we call tactical three-dimensional combat, but there are strategies, there are sports simulators, there are technical simulators, for example, one of our disciplines is the control of virtual space with drones, that is, there is a whole program , when a person undergoes training, controlling a drone, and the trick is that when controlling it in the virtual world, the person uses that...

but here again you understand it like, well, i don’t know, here’s a person watching a football match yes, he sees athletes running, and if a person starts to understand, he understands that there are certain things. guys, you know, this is a very good question

, how to retain a person, you know, initially the soviet union, it educated specialists, it trained them, there was the best training school in the world, and the guys from the usa came to the understanding that it was easier to buy ready-made ones, instead of growing your own, it’s cheaper, and this happens not only in sports and especially in... not only in e-sports, it’s everywhere, so this is a global question, how to retain the person whom our state has prepared, here - there are several fundamentally important moments, when i was brought up, yes, i was brought up under the soviet union, and for me we were more than me, and for me at one time there was also a question about leaving should i or stay here, i have ae from school, but i’m in this... i was in a very strong physics and mathematics class at mipt,

most of my guys, they went to live abroad, i stayed, why? well, because i wanted it to be good here, and it didn’t matter to me how much they would be willing to pay money, but for younger people , money is a much more important motivation for them, here the question arises, what about

sports and not e-sports, this is the philosophy of our state as a whole, well, in fact, with the fact that i have a certain income, and i really don’t really need money, then first of all i now look at the players with whom i will play, that is, for me first of all, since i am aiming for the highest niche in e-sports, i also want at major tournaments play when they call me to the team. for me the first question is -

this is who i will play with, then the next question is whether i will play there from home or whether we will be provided with a bootcamp, or whether there will be a salary, but often the players, if there are four strong players, those are the rising stars there or they have a fairly high rating, then most often the players agree to play even without a salary, but which one?

you play tournaments with if you win a tournament, then the team takes a certain percentage of the winnings, it’s small, but it still takes it , so you have a salary. v team and you also have money from tournaments that you earn by taking certain prizes, there is some fundamental difference where your body is physically located when you play, well, i mean in our country, somewhere in australia , i don’t know, anywhere, when there was coronavirus, tournaments were played online, and after that

a trend began that there are tournaments that are played from home online, and there are tournaments that are held in person, this is called lan. accordingly, here are the russian tournaments that are held, they come, well you need to come, the tournament lasts several days, continuous play, there is preparation for opponents, it all happens in person, that is , we pick up our keyboards and mice there to make it more convenient for us to play, computers are provided there, that’s basically how the tournament is held, and there is a tournament where you can just play online from home, a computer game, this is a very... complex design, this is a concentration of creative industries, i would say, yes, this is the software part, this is the design, this is the music, this, well, that is there's a lot there all in all, the fact that these are mostly western games in general, this means what, and will we play our games someday, when

there are not so many russian games on the market, but the fact is that - in general, when someone on planet earth... is going to make a game, he understands how much it costs, and it’s not cheap, then the question arises, how will he actually earn this money, return the investment, then it becomes clear , what if we say, let us make a game that will pay for itself and at the same time be of high quality, but only for at the russian level, this is technically impossible, the game must be world famous and in demand, and here it is both good and bad. bad, because you compete with the whole world and naturally, for your product to be competitive, it must be very, very interesting, attractive, profitable and so on, the good thing is that it becomes an excellent tool of soft power, conveying our ideology, our culture , our

values ​​throughout peaceful history, there are quite a large number of russian games, which are popular, oh my god , the same... take tetris, it was also created by a russian, what game should i start becoming an e-sportsman with, and you better come to our competitions as a spectator and get tested, they will tell you where to go it’s better to join a puzzle competition there, or maybe there you will discover a talent for sports simulators, in tetris, i think, dear friends, unfortunately we have to end our broadcast about esports, there are still a lot of questions left, but we... meet you more than once on the air of the creative industry podcast together with host elena kiper , producer, music video director and roman karmanov, general director of the presidential fund for cultural initiatives. and our guests were e-sportsmen, dmitry smith, president of the computer sports federation, and evgeny

pogrebeshny, an active e-sportsman. this is the podcast easy money, me and its host mikhail khanov, today our guest is igor anatolyevich sokolov, russian scientist, academician of the russian academy of sciences, director of the federal research center computer science and management, and, importantly, the dean of the faculty of moscow state university, computational mathematics and cybernetics, hello, hello mikhail, igorevich, let 's start with who the it specialists are, there is some kind of classification, we can say that today we are all it specialists, like just appeared with us. in the generation in which we now have them, we are all, to one degree or another , obliged to be able to use the tools of information technology, to be able to use these gadgets, to understand how they work, otherwise we simply will not fit into the modern rhythm and way of life, but your question, of course,