the problem is extremely acute, can we say that there is a problem that in lotman’s terms, technology does not have time to become culture, i absolutely agree, moreover, we are right here, each of us can see that throughout our lives several since these so-called revolutions took place, although from the point of view of the person who is involved in it, this is simply an evolutionary development , the world around has changed, and what is happening now in social networks is only the beginning, because we will... dive there more and more, there is already countries where millions of people simply don’t leave their homes at all, i, as a layman , don’t see anything good, from the point of view of these people, they already live in this normal for them, and this - it seems to me that human adaptive mechanisms are still not limitless, at some point, this also changes, uh, does not allow , let’s say, a person to come to god, because there is no time anymore, he lives all the time in a comfortable environment, but does not understand that he eats a hamburger, but doesn't eat... steak, i don't know, and

he, because, well, everything seems to be there , everything seems to be good, there is entertainment, and digital entertainment will all be cheap, cheaper, this is also something that is not talked about much, but - if digital education , the digital environment, this, this including reduction in price, on the one hand, it seems to be accessible to everyone, on the other hand, it may still not be of the highest quality, because our educational experience shows that there should still be combined methods, that is, digitalization. very good, but not enough, it does not replace completely human communication, but it’s hard for me to imagine that with a priest it’s only through the digital world, but we’re heading towards this , to be honest, but on the other hand , we, as orthodox people, probably understand what’s ahead, what awaits us, so in in this sense, the fact that we are moving, moving in this direction is also nothing surprising, so our task is to create the situation as much as possible so that these technologies are available to us...

it will create a corresponding request for such asceticism, i think we can find just after all the very approach to the cultivation of technology that othman spoke about. great, let's hope so. i have one last question , if possible, in blitz mode, yes, very briefly, today there are a lot of opportunities, using the program, to get answers to some of your questions, yes, so-called chats that give you solutions, i have one ... a colleague admitted that he says, i generally don’t make any decisions without consulting, because well, he just says, they know better than me, so to speak and they advise, i have a question, do you use this in your life, if so, in what cases, i use it only in the case of text translation, i don’t use it, due to professional necessity, i of course keep my finger on the pulse, but here such everyday life activities.

i don’t use it, and generative artificial intelligence, which will help us more and more, it has its negative sides, which are sometimes rarely talked about, that it can generate very plausible, but untrue, for example, i’m in the academy of sciences, when i spoke, i gave an example in november, a book was published from a distance under such a generated book on mushrooms, about mushrooms, well, this is a very good topic for us, so if you read it and... what’s written there, you’ll simply get poisoned, that’s why we spoke many years ago , that there must be a trusted artificial intelligence, among some of the points that we must fulfill, this is related to data, for example, federated learning, but also watermarks, so that we can clearly determine, know, it is generic or no, why, because with mine point of view, there is no technology that can accurately determine whether it is fake or not fake, yeah, literally in september this... 2003

, the united states government signed with its five large companies that any generated content must have watermarks so that the consumer can clearly define. as a consumer, i have the right to know, i ’m looking, it’s my neighbor who says or generated, but this kind of work will be increasingly in demand, and in this sense we, too, are not from anyone we are lagging behind, one of the countries in the world that has the appropriate technologies, we are developing, and

it seems to me that this is very important, on this optimistic note, dear friends, i am extremely grateful to you, i think we have talked about a lot of important things, thank you very much again arutinovich avitesyan. academician of the russian academy of sciences, director of the institute of system programming of the russian academy of sciences proteria pavel velikanov, associate professor of the moscow theological academy, i am vladimir ligoida, today we were gathering our thoughts about artificial intelligence, fears, hopes about it, all the best. hello, i'm dmitry bak, we have another episode of a podcast with a romantic title, let them not talk, let them read, this is a podcast, of course, about literature, about books, well , by the way, about papyri, about electronic readers, about anything, the main thing is that you read, we are talking

today with a wonderful interlocutor, this is the general director of the russian national museum of music, mikhail arkadyevich prysgalov, hello, mikhail arkadyvich, hello, petrovich, i’m very glad. you see, i’m glad to have the opportunity to talk, now, let’s have our line of synthesis of arts, well, after all - you had an understanding as a schoolchild, as a student at a music school, then at a college, there was an understanding that music is one of the arts, next to literature, painting, so that they loved literature, of course, of course, at school literature, literature, in general, was one of my favorite subjects, both of my parents are philologists, so that’s me. yes, that’s why in general there was always a cult of books in the house, always from childhood i didn’t even understand why, but first of all, before going out, i had to read this or that work, i liked something, well, just to say, listen,

all the time at a young age i read books that were intended for an older age, i will say this, and so in my house there was a wonderful... children's encyclopedia , which i turned to all the time; there was no internet , there was a children's encyclopedia, which everyone was chasing after, in general, they were looking for, there was and was a wonderful fifty-volume children's fiction, this was all the best works, foreign and russian, are collected, but i can say that in general , i, uh, read this as they say, or someone there, i can say that they took my books from under the blanket, even if not they say, let them read, yes, they took away the books , because when they told me, go to sleep, i still pulled myself in, this is my story, yes, yes, i’m crazy, how the lights were illuminated, well, flashlights, of course, well, that is, nothing new ,

yes, absolutely the same story, it gave me great pleasure, poleus, but in country, i didn’t think at all that there was a need to talk about the program here, but now just normal human memories washed over me, because... my grandmother worked in the library and my god, that is, you are not only the son of two philologists, but the grandson of the library, it was like that then, i don’t know if it exists now, but then there were such activists in the houses, now they would be called volunteers, who brought books home, they gave out books at home using forms, now it ’s only for pensioners and for people . came to grandma's place there were books from the library in the house, i really loved it, that is, well, you know, i books , i really liked bringing them, helping bring them to the library, taking them, in general, i have been associated with this since childhood - with literature, with reading, in general

, it seemed to me that uh, well, for example, when i taught there for a little while, i had a period there where i taught at a music school, i explained to my students how to take breath. well, you know, the sky was already breathing in autumn, in short, comma, in short, don’t be afraid, breathe. further, here i am using such examples, did you pronounce the word ambushur, yes, of course i did, in these examples i also, how cool it is, i also tried to explain to the guys that the phrase exists, that’s how literature is a vivid example, i i never thought about this, that a brass musician can also hear better than an ordinary person, this is the rhythmic breathing of poetry, literature is not taught from childhood. well, it’s hard to imagine that a person in a kindergarten is already thinking about how to be a poet or a novelist,

music, sports, you have to learn from the very beginning very young age, yes, you can’t suddenly start 17 years old and say whether i’m a pianist or a violinist, well, that doesn’t happen, i’d really like to know how it turned out for you, when it clicked, at what point in childhood kindergarten, at school, mom said, or went to a concert? they said once i went to a concert, that’s right, well, first my mother said, then i went to a concert, everything was just like everyone else, first i played the violin, it’s a beautiful, good instrument, but in general i didn’t really like it, although in parallel also i played hockey , the violin and the case were an excellent goal when i went to music school, but it was dangerous, well, in general it was normal, then i realized that it was a good instrument, by the way, the skribka is a very good musical instrument in the sense that it develops hearing well. you know, in our time these same boys

, such hooligans at school, who were such school authorities, oddly enough, it turned out that all these boys played in a brass band, all this in saratov, but who played in a brass band, it’s like now they say it was cool, due to the fact that, in general, i was a violinist and they gave me a musical instrument there, well, it was not so difficult to master, that is, i understand, of course. it’s hard to learn to play well, well, in general , after the violin it was so okay, this is important, yes, that is, the violin is so difficult that yes, after the violin it seemed to me, well, it seems to me it was easier than it might be for others, and i started playing in the school nachomorchestra, i liked it, in general it was beautiful, wait, but the rock ensemble, i had a rock ensemble, you and i are about peers, then there was a vocal instrumental ensemble, well, of course, they played, of course, they played guitars, it was not so prestigious, or what?

instrumental ensemble, i was a drummer in a school ensemble, so he compared official events where brass players played, in general it was interesting, then i liked a musical instrument, a trumpet, i went and asked for a musical instrument... that they transferred me from violin to trumpet, and i began to learn such an interesting musical instrument, trumpet, i was incredibly in love with it, recently, i once heard an interesting phrase from vladimir teodorovich spevakov, he was holding one wonderful instrument in his hands, when he took it in his hands, he said: “today i will talk to her in the evening with her and the violin.” yes, i remembered that once upon a time. i was talking to my musician with a trumpet, i would remember, please tell me, and forgive my ignorance, the violin

, of course, it changes, just by age, fingers and so on, well, there are eighth notes, quarter notes, eight notes, quarter notes, yes, piano does not change, of course, yes, although the fingers are also small, the wind instruments also do not change, do not change, i also have a daughter in a music school, i watch her, so fascinated, psalfeju, this is a great secret, so i wanted to ask you... on the one hand, this people, well, so immersed in great art, sophisticated, well, as if out of this world, on the other hand, many of them are pragmatists, that is, they know how to work like athletes in training, then many musical specialties, these are professions in the future, well, hardly whether the piano, after all there are not many pianists, not many concerts, not many concerts, but there are many pianists, well, teachers, pedagogues, of course, of course, but violins. i’m just an amateur, there are many of them, this is a profession, this is a piece of bread,

of course, yes, the pipe is also in a sense, only you were what, you were a pragmatist, aimed at some result, you were a romantic who talks to instrument, or the third option, you were such a godfather who during breaks says, now we’ll take the pipe, no, no, at first i was a romantic, because in general i experienced some, well, great pleasure. from simply playing a musical instrument, although one must understand that the repertoire is quite limited, there is such an evil joke that the head of a brass player has an upper resonator, yes, yes, well, yes. but i , but i’ll tell you that it’s cool to have brass players, well, in an orchestra, not in a school orchestra, but in general or not, well, in general, a brass player is a leader, especially a trumpet player, i think so too, i’ll just tell you, i worked in an orchestra for 16 years, when you sit at the end of the orchestra and all the groups of instruments are in front of you, and then then the masters, the conductors, the auditorium, you see everyone, yes you see, usually it’s on

a stand, on a stand, somewhere there’s a harp, and you look a little... above me there’s an orchestra sitting, so, well, in the orchestra i ’ll tell you something like that, this is not a story, this is such a life that when 40 strings are sitting there, 40, well, some, one of them played there, the second did not play, in general the difference is small, but don’t let my fellow musicians be offended by me, but here when you blow one note and play the wrong one, everyone hears, listen, it's always solo, it's well, well, not a solo, but you can hear it more, yes. a pragmatist, because it seemed to me that i was, of course, a romantic, but then i wanted more, i want to make this my specialty someday, and so it happened, at the age of 12 i translated that what did you start talking about,

that this was not at 7 years old, at 12, and then it was necessary to master a musical instrument in 3 years and enter a music school. i only had 3 years, well, in general, how did i manage to do it there? i entered a music school, then the conservatory, and then i moved on. to do this professionally, but in general i went from romanticism to pragmatism than most of my classmates, after all , musicians understand that yes, yes, as in sports, as in such things, well, this hardly happens in biology, i don’t know , no, no, not having been , it seems to me, no, because it’s... some kind of separate thing, it’s not even a music activity, it’s just a way of life, it’s all subordinated to the fact that you have to study and practice for several hours a day , you have to practice, but here it’s just practice, here the biologist doesn’t read, several hours, hours, years, until you work out all these synchronizations, until you not only play the instrument, until you

listen to kilometers of music, you must recognize it, but you must hear it inside. yeah, a good musician who always has a reference sound inside, and how you listen to it from inside the orchestra, remember there was a film by yeseliani singing drust, where there is a man running around the city and only running to his part of the cymbals, once twice, well, there are a lot of jokes about this topic, musical ones, but from the inside orchestra, in general, you hear the whole palette, everything, everything that happens, from here, today, so i can make a big leap today. today, working in a music museum , i come into contact with music every day - in general, i can bet that the most serious musicologists know musical works, because this is practice, practice, yes, because i didn’t learn it from a textbook, i simply played a lot of music, so when now something sounds on the radio, then basically you can

press the button, i’ll immediately say, yeah, such and such a symphony, such an honor.

but here is jazz, yes, this is now a classic , of course, in a sense, here it is synthesis, here there is everything, this is improvisation, real modern music, how

wonderful it is, in general, in a word, a passionate boy music, then a pragmatist, then many years in an orchestra, and not yet a boy, but a husband, thinking in detail, thinking , carefully about how... different arts relate to each other, i thought about this too, and you know too, that in the middle of our episodes of our podcast there is always an author's note section, it’s just starting now, so i brought a few old books from my library, these are simple books by marcille, classics of french literature, this is a book from the year twenty-seven, the academy publishing house is very famous, this book is from the year thirty-four, lovingly restored by someone , it certainly didn’t look like that in the original, well, this is already a book from ’73, but what’s the point? i was thinking about reading something that would describe the synthesis of literature and music, i thought maybe a break in ivan

goncharov, the author of oblomov, there is such the scene when one of the characters listens to music and talks about it, maybe thomas mann, his novel, doctor faustus, where he invented adrian leverkühn and came up with his music and retells it in words again, and then there was schnittky’s music. yes, which, yes, and schonberg , who was offended that he invented dodacophony, and thomas mann ironically bequeathed to attribute that this schonberg invented, that from that schonberg invented, he is a great musician, and i am a great author, so, but i still- finally settled on proust, because in this seven-ton, huge epic of proust, which called in search of lost time, or in search of lost time, as they said in the twenties there were few. another grammar, in this multi-house epic there is such a hero swann, who falls in love with a woman, her name is odeta, because she

looks like the image of zipporah from a painting by batechelli, and the main thing is that he associates with her one musical phrase from a sonata, not existing composer, he came up with a composer whose name was simple... then there were discussions, maybe it was with camille saint-saens, from whom he got all this copied it, he didn’t copy it off from anyone, then much later, after proust’s death, there was a man who wrote this sonata, as if by description, materialized vinteuil’s sanata, that is, this is a huge detective story, and i would like this one to literally a short paragraph of text was sounded in two translations, because this is also a competition of translators, one of them is adrian frankovsky. for cska or for spartak everything is immediately clear, these are competitions

in translations of proust, and frankovsky or lyubimov, there are others, we will now to talk specifically about them, but this fragment that i will read, it is interesting because here , after all, there is a competition to better describe the music in words, so let’s first. translation by adrian frankovsky, this is a book from 1934, here in the verdurin salon, it’s happening, that evening at madame verdurin’s, as soon as the young pianist struck a few chords and stretched out one high note for two bars, swaan suddenly saw that his last name was swaan , and he saw how, due to the long sound, extended, like a sound curtain to hide. the secret of her birth, a secret , rumbling, dismembered phrase appears, swann recognized this airy, fragrant phrase that captivated him,

it was so original, it contained such an individual charm that nothing could replace that it seemed to swann that he had met in the living room with friends, a woman he once noticed on the street captivated him, a woman whom he despaired of ever seeing again, and he meets her there. yes, through this musical phrase, this is the story, now nikolai lyubimov, the same phrase from this sanata , a non-existent composer in lyubimy’s translation, sounds like this: but then, a few minutes later, after the young pianist began to play at the verdurins’, after a high note that lasted a long time, two whole bars, swann suddenly saw , as if due to a long sound, extended, like a sounding curtain. hiding the secret of birth, a cherished, rustling, isolated musical phrase flutters out and moves towards him, this

airy and... fragrant favorite of his, he recognized at that very moment, it was so unusual, full such a unique, such a special charm that for svan it was like meeting with friends in the living room, with a woman who once charmed him on the street, with whom he never expected to meet again, these are the fragrant masterpieces of the non-existent composer vinteuil, the great french novelist proust and two wonderful translators, this is music that... can be understood, because music cannot be retold, yes, no, no, it’s impossible, uh, it doesn’t mean anything, i’ll hear now this quote, uh, which you just read wonderfully, uh, can to say, in general, there are a lot of meanings here , a lot of meanings, because music is often always visual, always, you listen to music, close your eyes, you can definitely instantly draw

any map for yourself. i was a little behind in pace, but in general it’s clear, and what’s behind this, what worlds, what, what worlds arise, you remember the film, moscow with lez is not ve, of course, well, there the first second episode is interrupted by such an alarm clock ringing, this one falls asleep tired heroine, who studies there at the evening party, for

students, working. and suddenly wakes up as the director of a large enterprise, the director of a large enterprise, where they are reporting to her over the intercom why there are outages at the subcontractors, well , something like that happened to you, right? well, by that time i was the director of the philharmonic, and i believed that you were still an economist and a candidate of economic sciences, i found the topic of the dissertation, the development of the institutional form of economic relations, dear friends, this is not a vinteuil sanata, not an embouchure.

that there were some part-time jobs right there in one place, because, in general, it helped live. the philharmonic is such a multidisciplinary organization, and concerts, classical music, modern, then the stage was in the philharmonic, i, i, i was able to communicate, this is the turn of the millennium, yes, i was able to communicate with many outstanding contemporary musicians, and i, i had great pleasure by the way, this year, for example, is schnittky’s anniversary. 90 years, and this was the same year 2001, when we named the only philharmonic in the world in zaratovi, and i really liked it, we made programs that would be interesting, it’s a must for young people and children to learn how to listen to classical music, that in general it ’s good to listen, just like reading good books, you definitely need to listen to good music, and i really liked this work,

i really liked the opportunity to study. creativity, to create some kind of program every day, in general it was, but regularly you didn’t work out, you didn’t work out, yes, there was no time, because you had to do a lot of administrative work, well, now it’s less, but in general for a while, for a while - i can't say that it was a very long time ago, in general, at night i dreamed that i didn’t learn the lesson, or i didn’t learn the lesson, i was playing exams, i didn’t know what to play next, well, there were all sorts of funny things. then, finally, the russian national museum of music, which you named exactly that, also, yes, it was called, well, the museum is known in the country, the all-russian museum association of musical culture named after glinka, and this was the decision made in 2018 by the ministry of culture that the museum should have this name, russian national museum of music, here in my hands is a book that i love so much, there are many here.

that there are bells there, yes, that you can ring, i can’t find it now, but there is such a button there, but this instrument, a synthesizer, is one of the first soviet synthesizers, ans stands for alexander nikolaevich scriabin, master evgeniy murzin, and if you and i remember again the film the diamond arm, solaris by andrei torkovsky, then this music sounds there, no computers yet there is not.

this is a large metal plate on which an image is extruded, a drawing is extruded, that is, there is a graphic equivalent of music, it is inserted into a special one. this musical instrument exists in a single copy. i will remind you, of course, our dear interlocutors, michala arkavich, they know this 300 times better than i , that the pythagoreans insisted that music always sounds, there is music in the mathematics of

planetary orbits, yes, if we are silent, then they if only we could hear music, we don’t hear it, music - this is not what we think, it’s not just la-la-la, yes, it’s not sound, but it’s something more, including an image. of course, of course, it’s no coincidence that scriabin is the same synthesis of art that scriabin is talking about, this is light music, that too, he had synesthesia, he saw sound, and actually, i don’t know if it’s true, but they write about that , that he died so stupidly, this is a personal tragedy for me, well, just from an accidental infection, so his last drafts of scores were aimed at - well, creating music that would move the luminary, and how arfey, if arfey took the fork, then all the movement would come, yes, in general , yes, the curmudgeon was doing this, and he was aimed at it, and you see, his ambitious ideas were serious, i remind you

that today in the next release of a literary podcast, let them not talk, let them read, we are talking with the general director of the russian... national museum of music , mikhail arkadyevich bryzgalov, well, let 's move on, and for me you are also a radio host, you run a daily column, a column you talk about some- that subject and some stories there, yes, well, now you’ve talked about this synthesizer, it’s clear that there are a million such facts, not only objects, and stories, and that it’s true that this is a daily column, this is true a daily program that has been running for 8 years, 8 years at 365 - how old are you? well, well, there are some breaks in the summer, but how many minutes does it take? it lasts 4, 5, 6 minutes, but it’s very difficult, it’s a focused, concentrated story, a short story that has a beginning, development, end, well, in general, it’s

yes, due to the fact that you and i don’t have much time, and you know, i don’t want to quit at all, because, because it’s not quitting, it’s important for me, i’m even slowing down.

sound is an absolute synthesis, get excited, let's go back to sort of wrap up this whole plot, we're talking about what they don't say, let them read, we talk, of course, as always, we talk. here is a modern person who listens to music and reads literature, this is what kind of person, what kind of music he listens to, that is, well, there on in your bones you had discs of recordings by vysotsky, rolling stones, but that is, you are ours, well , of course, but what, well, what? history

puts everything in its place, by the way, we recently had an exhibition dedicated to the century of russian jazz, this was already 2 years ago last year, just recently, here ’s the fact that the records on the bones, on the bones, are x-rays, in case someone doesn’t know , this...

when you are with a book, then when you read, different, different thoughts come all the time, completely, i’m saying this as if not professional writer, yes, that when you find yourself in a book, when you read and there is a certain plot, some, but at that moment, for example, i have parallels, for example, with the work that i do, how deep it is , our dear interlocutors, it was necessary to call a musician and

the director general of the largest music museum in russia to understand what i did not quite understand, because, well , a professional, of course, he doesn’t read like that, he reads thinking that tomorrow he will write in a review that he will tell the students and me i don’t need to write reviews tomorrow, i immediately have associations, wow, wow, yes, this is parallel to the exclusion of life as in music, yes absolutely.

you are watching the precious stories podcast , we welcome you all, we, the hosts of the podcast, sergei mikhailovich nikrasov, director of the all-russian pushkin museum, ekaterina varkan, author of the most interesting books that i read with pleasure, including about

jewelry, before bed, today we remember , decided about the decembrists, december 14th.

siberia for a decade of hopelessness there radishchev, who was convicted and sent to prison, it was not his wife who went after him, his wife had unfortunately already died by this time, but

his wife’s sister, his sister-in-law, went, and this was not at all welcomed, children appeared in siberia, and despite that , that... on the way back upon returning, when paul i had already canceled this sentence, the cruel sentence of radichev on the way back, they returned to the radishchevskoye estate, then radichev's father refused to even recognize children born in siberia, not from his wife, but from this sister-in-law, who also accomplished a feat, and he was doubly difficult, because... such a direct family relationship, namely the wife , was not here, the sister-in-law, this also happened in russian history, in general, the women of the twenty-sixth year were already following the path of thor, so to speak, yes, it was before their eyes there are many examples when women supported their men and women and lived

, gave birth to children, supported, well, these nobles who turned out to be strong, they were also not idle people, quite so to speak, well, besides, they were enlightened, of course... it turns out they still owned more number of all kinds of crafts, who could have imagined all this, here is one of the most , so to speak, famous people, nikolai aleksandrovich bestuzhev, who, back in st. petersburg, invented the bestuzhev boat, a rescue boat, he was the bestuzhev economical stove so that he was a handsome man with sideburns yes... it would be less so to say to use all sorts of firewood and coal, then he made some kind of clock that went there for centuries, studied astronomy, astrology, seismology, built an observatory, and so they were in exile later for settlement.