which regiment will occupy the isakievsky bridge across the bulevar in order to cut off the communication of the entire side with vasilyevsky island and cover the flank of the horse guards. i myself, with adjutant general benkendor who arrived to me, went to the square to examine the situation of the rebels. i was greeted with gunfire. and at this moment, nikolai stands in front of a crowd of people who have gathered on senavskaya square. and he asks them: do you know the manifesto? i myself began to read the text of this

manifesto, this is an absolutely unique moment in our history, it is very bright in my opinion shown in the film. we are nicholas i, emperor and autocrat of everything russian, and so on and so forth and so on. we declare to all our faithful subjects contrition of heart, humbling ourselves before the invincible destinies of the almighty.

allowed him in the end to become a full-fledged emperor, although he was a rather young man, and of course, nikolai pavlovich, precisely by his actions in sinata square on that day, fully deserved the title of a full-fledged emperor, while the sovereign, until the very end , is shown in this film, tried in every possible way to avoid excesses, because the first non -compliance began even at the oath early in the morning in the reifguard horse artillery, and when there quickly this attempt was occupied , the officers were arrested, they then fled, then returned, this is, in general, such a small episode, but those who came to the emperor with this news, while it is not yet necessary , mutinies have not begun in other regiments, general sukhazanet , who reported to him about this, what nikolai pavlyvich is doing, says: i don’t want to know the names of these officers, i must give credit that then all the officers of the guards contillery, although it was established that they were members of a secret society, by virtue of this resolution of the emperor, i don’t want to know them...

excluded from the subsequent consequences of punishment, there is also a very interesting point in this, that is, there was hope until the last, that after all, on this day it would be possible to take the oath without incidents, well then, when it all began, of course, the officers who took part in the uprising of soviet square were clearly divided into those who were already of the same kind who had already managed to punish nikolai pavlyvich later took to the uprising, or those who were for constantine, but refused to swear allegiance, that’s how the first one... people who were completely sure that some kind of dynastic misunderstanding was happening must adhere to the oath to constantine, not based on the intentions that the leaders of this uprising were hatching in relation to both the royal family and the entire structure of the state, and of course december 14 is a milestone day, in fact, it had a huge echo, its consequences are much more important, these few shots from the cannons, and, by the way, i must say right away that these... the legend about the huge number

of dead, this is all, of course, a myth, also one of the myths of the uprising, because for a very long time there was no official data on how many died during the shooting at the rebel on senate square, in fact in in 1970 , they found a note, the so-called note of korsykov, who, from nowhere, apparently just drew a figure from his head of almost 1,300 killed, then our greatest specialist. according to the decembrists, nechkina took this note as complete faith and it began to be cited everywhere, in the year eighty-third it was completely refuted, well, listen , it says that 19 officers were killed there , where do these numbers come from, but nevertheless, since then the numbers have been floating around, in fact, if we talk about real numbers, just for the whole day in the troops, we can now know these numbers for sure, because we know these data for each regiment, this is about one and a half hundred casualties, about half on one side on the other, of which only six people died on the part of government troops, this in...

well, perhaps more than anyone that day, of course nikolai himself was the first to risk, he could have been killed several times, this, in my opinion, is also one of the most dramatic episodes of the film, and indeed of russian history in general, when he walks,

the guards lei towards him, and he does not know which side they are going to , either to defend the winter, or to the senate square. let's see how this event developed, who are the binoders, we are for constantine, yes, here is the road for you, for the constitution, a completely real episode. when nikolai could simply be raised with bayonets and killed, that’s they could have done anything, but they didn’t kill them, well, in my opinion, this episode speaks no more about nicholas, but about the decembrists, when the uprising was organized so quickly, they didn’t expect that everyone would have to leave urgently, that it turned out that

one regiment got lost and turned not to senate square, to palace square, and the other regiment met miloradovich, he began shouting out of step, out of step, left, left, and so on, that is, this is first of all... what was your plan for a military uprising , especially when it became clear that they were they already knew very well that they were leaving later than the senate had crossed, that is, the political goals were practically unattainable, now everyone, even these investigators themselves, were amazed, because such a plan,

take troops, go somewhere outside the city , set up some kind of camp, wait for constantine, that is , the conspirators themselves could not clearly formulate what the rebels’ plan was on december 14? strictly speaking, the dense flight plan that trubetskoy proposed, so we always talk about the fact that children of the twelfth year, this is not necessary to be taken figuratively, we must take it literally: 3/4 of these same decembrists did not take part in any napoleonic warriors due to their youth, in general, here we mean, we have one more point that is necessary, it is sometimes lost from considerations the fact that vysotsky once sang about his generation, that in basements and semi-basements children wanted to ride under tanks, great events ended, and the generation came to the moment when everything, as they say, had already happened, all the toulons were exhausted, that’s why they wanted

heroic deeds , which they did not have time for, yes, on the one hand, they complained that there were no thick polets, senior officers, on the other hand, this very plan, which... seems illogical , trubetskoy’s plan, reasonable enough, to go from one, from one barracks to another , join the rest of the regiments, gather the entire guards corps, then you can dictate, speculatively, of course, but this is a chance, but they turned out this plan worst of all, they rejected trubetskoy’s plan, but he was appointed dictator a plan he didn't believe was possible as for nikolai, 10 years after the fact that about...

and russia to a large extent, this moment of decision-making, after all, to fire a salvo at the troops standing in sinata square, in my opinion, it is also very well dramaturgically shown in the film . let 's see, all the blood will be on me forever.

shoot, they won’t dare shoot at us, and this is a victory, damn it, to carry out orders, the problem is...

which then aroused many souls, and he wrote there that the bell was striking, the bell was striking, the sewage of bestiality was spilling wastelessly, we will see around us, the sword of poison, death and cauterization will be for our severity, inhumanity, and the slower and more persistent we are in resolving their mustache, the swifter they will be in their vengeance. well, the one who was kind was declared crazy, his cause lived and continues... to live to this day, that’s really the decembrists and the liberal tradition, the liberal thought of russia, hmm, well

, there are two points of view that exist, they argue for quite a long time about this, about that the decembrists continue or begin liberal line or vice versa, they are initiating a radical line, yes, but it seems to me that if we look objectively historically, then this is certainly not a liberal line, it is a radical line, because the liberal line is... not a revolution, but this the story of what goncharov will later write about in the million torment, when he disassembles chatsky, says that instead of going out into the square, presenting these demands, and then it’s not clear how it ended, it would be better if you became cabinet officials, it would be better if you reformed , you would be much better, you want to serve russia, you want to make sure that the fatherland develops, and they really sincerely wanted this, here you are, there are places, there are offices, after all, you are nobles, then you don't even have to break through. to these places , occupy, reform and prepare, in this sense, of course, perhaps, the decembrists are not

the founders of the liberal line in the russian revolutionary, if in the sense that they can never agree among themselves and develop a single program, then this is very in my opinion, it seems to be very liberal from this point of view, but it seems to me that you are wrong, because liberalism does not at all deny the possibility of this kind of action, neither nor liberals. this is the goal, everything else is methods, it seems to me that the decembrists are a contrast between liberals and revolutionaries, they did not abandon these actions, the main thing is that this is somewhat speculative, because we will see that among the decembrists they saw their ancestors and... everyone does not baselessly, and radical revolutionaries, and constitutionalists, monarchists, and liberals,

the fact of the matter is that the decembrist movement was never united, they did not even have, we have already talked about this many times, a single program, so the decembrists are, as they say, the same family from which the tree grew very, so branched, branched. like this, well , in any case, it was an episode of the civil war, and in a civil war there is always a tragedy, there is an episode, let us remind you of it, but what? you are going to oppose your sovereign, the guards are against the king, even the units loyal to him will go over to us when it gets dark, persuade him to transfer power to you and the senates to leave and we will change everything, this is our dream, believe me, i know what i’m saying, he will die, but he will not leave, what will you do, you

will kill him, your family, you will kill your children. russians, that’s a tragedy, yes, romantic people die there, russians shoot at revolutionaries there, with good, good intentions, the situation is unique, it seems to me, in that the government that initiated the reforms and those who supported them did not expose themselves at the same speed, that is, those who followed approximately the path of those changes, which emperor alexander was going to carry out, the emperor himself at some point became out of sync. and the tragedy of this situation is that these are not obvious villains who wanted to create anarchy, but these are those who wanted to support the authorities in their efforts further, naturally, within the entire spectrum of the decembrists, the decembrists do not know that they are decembrists, this then

they will call it that, so each part stopped at some point. but as soon as, and this is always, in my opinion, in human history, reforms, the most vulnerable moment, when in any power, it begins to change the direction of movement, the speed of movement, at this moment any body in the physical world becomes vulnerable, the decembrists, with their romantic impulse, promised that life, pushkin also understood this very well, that the unbearable lightness of the world is that it promises much more...

having heeded the opinion of the state council, during the implementation of which alexander ii was convinced of such an obvious thing that for...

there is a big story on the air, decembrists, so did they really not understand that awaits them, the nobility, their families, if they win, in fact, this is a really big question, what would have happened if, if the decembrists had become power, here i remember very...

just in the bloody chaos, where they killed anyone, who was not a soldier or a peasant there, where hundreds actually died there , there were officers, officials, doctors who were accused of allegedly poisoning wells because of one scoundrel there who wanted to settle scores with his commander, that ’s what terrible catavasia, again to question about nikolai pavlyvich, again, like on december 14, he personally went out and... told pushkin some of his childhood memories, impressions, yes, how he actually experienced these days, so for them it was not some distant abstract story , this is the fear that if we

lose control, but at the same time there was a radical wing, by and large, because the motivation of many young people of these secret societies is not what was later described as a scam in the french experience, there are young ambitious people, time to perform feats passed and... this is bestuzhev’s act, act, act, but what about acting? maybe it’s really right, you said, maybe it will be more reliable in the offices, as turgenev was just suggesting, let’s have a plan for peasant reform, let’s sort out the land, let’s start with the state peasants, because half of the peasants were not landowners, half of the peasants were state-owned, appanage, let's somehow begin to at least restore order in reality, which nikolai pavlovich, by the way, did, but, but is it really, really that the decembrists really didn’t see what was coming? russia in case they suddenly win, well , if we are talking about the fact that they are romantics, then of course they will not think through what will happen next, remember the classic

rayleigh, i know we will die, but the example will remain, that is, here is a certain an example that will remain for us, but before we left for advertising, i literally wanted to throw in this thought, i read about it in the admiral’s memoirs, for the dissertation , these memories are in the archive, to this day pretty interesting. this is an admiral of the thirties of the 19th century, he writes right there that if, i quote verbatim, these boys came to power, they would flood russia with blood, that is, he directly writes that blood would flow endlessly, and this if there had been a dictatorship there, pestel spoke directly about the fact that it would be necessary to temporarily establish a dictatorship, that this blood would flow and flow, and it seems to me that many educated people, whose names have also already been heard today, in particular pushkin , in many ways it was repulsive that...

indeed, in such a difficult moment, he began his reign with blood and, by the way, the decembrists were the last for whom the death sentence was pronounced by nicholas, as far as i know, here is nikolai mikhailovich karamzin, he is just this - this is the tragedy of nicholas i in my the look noticed very well, let's listen, this is the absurd tragedy of our crazy liberalists, god grant that there are

not so many true villains among them, the soldiers were only victims. deception, sometimes a beautiful day begins with a storm, so be it in the new reign, the image of nicholas i is really very complex, probably the most complex, but for dramatic construction, for directing, in general, as you saw him and see now, well, in cinema the main character is considered the one with the largest arc, when there was a film in the series, we balanced it, there was a feeling, we asked in focus groups who the main character is, the main character turns out to be nikolai. the fact that a person who at the beginning of the film could not do many things, at the end became completely different, this is his, if we speak from the position of the film, about what happened to him, from the point of view of life, modern life, was a unique case, regarding those executed, as if on a commercial basis, there was a large internet company that was supposed to support the film, we discussed, they said, remove the last title about nikolai , why, well, it’s true, he says, you know, well , this is wrong, come on, if you remove it,

we support it, no, you’ll see for yourself, that is , this is still a relevant, live message for the audience, who this person is, what he was like , this is the one who broke the neck of reforms there, who were supposed to change russia, or the person who saved from bloodshed, one of the most striking, tragic figures. the film ends with us where the story of the decembrists ends, we do not go further with it, but we would certainly like to give the audience an impulse to see it, to understand it.

what these people wanted, he began by studying this experience, and benckendorff, who also became, for liberal, let's say, thinking, a brand of a villain, a very complex, very interesting character who seemed to be inflamed by his truth and a thirst for justice, and here in general is a very, very interesting story that is addressed to today, as it seems to me, well, in fact, a very important point that nikolai pavlych studied. testimony, and this was really the most important contribution of the decembrists to the development of the state and society, in different ways, in fact, the gendarme did not exist before nikolai pavlovich and well, i don’t believe there are gendarme teams, which are of a completely different nature, in fact it is obvious that the very idea about the corps of gendarmes as some kind of political supervisory structure, it arose under the influence of what he apparently read from impestal, and that there was a lively attempt to figure it out, to study, but... we have

nikolai pavlyvich’s notes on many points, and there it is also clear how this went thought, but nikolai pavlyvich became in many ways a hostage, unfortunately, like any great leader , he reigned for 30 years, because during this time two generations of public life changed, they actually survived, that is, the decembrists became during this time almost in the power of the legend of the martyrs, therefore, when an amnesty came out at the coronation of alexander i, they began to be returned back , they were already perceived as heroes, although they themselves, we know this very well from...

were taken there, well, this was even manifested in small things, about nikolai pavlovich, he did not smoke and forbade smoking in general, immediately everyone became obsessed with cigars, began to smoke everywhere , you know, yes, that is, this kind of frontierism, it’s typical, they came with...

in 20 years, he will then do it to the petroszewtsy, he was afraid of what happened, and let’s say , then when this buffoonery will be played out the process when they are sentenced to death, at the last moment, when three of them will already be standing at... the barriers and two commands are heard: get ready, aim, and allegedly , a courier galloped up in front of the team and said that they were being pardoned, instead of being shot, they would get 4 years penal servitude, well, it seems to me that this is such a desire to take into account what happened to the decembrists and to scare them so that they are scared for the rest of their lives.

oleg rudovich, in your opinion, nikolai, nikolai is, of course, a knight of legitimism, and as a knight of legitimism. by the way, gershenzon has wonderful and completely unexpected. for many, the work, nicholas i as a constitutional monarch, considers his reign as tsar of poland, shows that he was, in general, calmly fulfilling the constitution, which he perceived as part of the inheritance, but i want to recall the words of karamzin from a note about ancient new russia, that for lasting autocracy requires the charm of external greatness. nikolaev's reign ended unsuccessfully in this regard, already mentioned. tyuchev wrote the death of nicholas i completely different poetry. you served neither god nor russia, you served only your vanity, all your deeds, good and evil, were all lies in you, all ghosts were deaf. you were not a king, but a performer. how

fair this is is unclear, but it clearly corresponds to the mood and disappointment of 1955-56 . nikolai, of course, is a huge, important figure. this figure is tragic in the sense that this man tried to change russia without changing the most important thing. his policy on the peasant issue is very correctly, in my opinion, called by vasily josipech klyuchevsky, the government’s slaps on the sore spots of serfdom. just like that. yes, nikolai pavlovich is a complex figure, but he created it. in many ways the state machine of our country, which then existed until the seventeenth year, he was the first who succeeded in the state codification of laws, before that everything was completely fragmented and there was no single set of laws

, the russian empire, this is also him, and the pulkovo observatory , railway, and also nicholas i the first railway, this is also nicholas i, that is, the figure is very ambiguous, but... russia was noted for many victories, including in the big game in central asia in the middle east, the war with persia, but he lost his main war, but he did not manage to lose his main war, he died when the war was in full swing, so here the question actually also remains open, as in response to...

30 remained alive, five were executed, but why would the answer to this question be found during the investigation and nikolai and many others, here like in the movie... and it is said about this that they answer decembrists, why? tell me, why did you do this? i suggested that you achieve our goal peacefully. i defeated nikolai semyan, what? i changed russia forever, and the interrogation of ant’s apostle, who speaks out even more harshly. in confession at the holy communion. i haven’t been since 1821, why?

i was afraid to talk about my plans, not to mess up , but now and now, i don’t understand you, it’s very easy for you to understand us, you are the same as us, no, there is a difference between the legitimate authorities and impostors who imagine themselves to be the saviors of the fatherland , no difference, explain, we don’t have right goals, criminal methods, decembrists, that’s why and did they have a chance, and what would have happened if they... gave this chance, why?

probably the main thing is, as it were, a unique situation , because alexander, before tsar alexander i, prepared a reform, which later was not destined to come true, and people who remained faithful to that initial call about how the country would change, because alexander tried change almost everything. russia existed in a situation of civilizational breakdown, one of the proofs transition to modern times, the emergence of russian literature, because pushkin, as in the fashion of the 19th century, a national genius, grew up, a national spirit, gave birth to himself, and what happened in political life lagged behind in the opinion of those who lived and breathed in this from time to time from what was happening in the inner life of people, he was born, but...

to live out of connection with the state, the only motivation that existed then was ethical motivation, service, these people were formed, and the education that they received was the main the models that were then at that time, these are ancient models, they felt themselves to be the theran fighters of the era of the late republic, they discussed among themselves who should be killed, titus, well, from the fact that he ruled for only 2 years or... nero, who, well, a branded emperor, a villain, they said, of course,

tito must kill the principle of monopower, because one person does not have the right to rule everyone and heated by this ancient imperative that we will give up everything we have from life, the direction because that alexander's reforms were suspended, these people came forward and became victims. that era and in many ways formulated for future generations the same imperative that we understand, we are honest, we are bright, we fight for everything good against everything bad, a simplification of the decembrist myth that happened over the centuries, the april, february, excuse me, revolution of the seventeenth year begins, with the words, the great shadows of the decembrists are avenged, the legacy. decembrists continues to live as a myth, and this is one of the most

interesting, turning points in russian history, when a new social the pattern of relations between power and , say, the educated class, the goals of the decembrists were the most noble, the means to which they resorted, unfortunately, here, as always, the demon is in the details, and these details are what we tried to talk about in our film. for a movie of this kind, things like actions are especially shown, because as a rule , people say, well, some things that, well , only crazy people allow themselves direct dialogue.

they hoped for a conspiracy in the first and second armies located in melorussia, when trubetskoy, the most an experienced military man, in principle the general staff officer intended to withdraw troops from the city, he wanted to threaten the authorities, expect that the officers who were in the conspiracy and were in the armies of the south would come to the rescue to create pressure on the authorities, why the fatal shots were fired is also understandable, because night was approaching. if the troops had been given the opportunity to remain in the square, they would have been uncontrollable in the gigantic city, they would have joined the uprising, obviously declassed elements who threw sticks at the heads of the soldiers supporting the emperor, that is, it began there would be chaos, when it would be very difficult to find winners, yes, but of course the question of

the nobility of the goal, it remains very, very controversial, but what you said, this factor of the fact that it’s night... now it will begin and what then, by the way, vasily andreevich zhukovsky, our famous poet and statesman, wrote with horror then, let ’s listen to what he said, that if another half hour had passed, night would have fallen, and the city would have remained a victim of 300 armed soldiers, half of whom were drunk. at that moment i i thought with horror that the fate of russia was in the balance, that its existence could in a minute depend on a crowd of rabid soldiers and mobs led by...

you hoped, perhaps, that your blood would become scarce, so that the eternal pole would melt, barely sparkling, it flashed on the centuries-old top of the ice, the iron winter died and no traces remained, so this poem ends, the question, of course, that is being asked now was asked then, here is the punishment of the decembrists with their noble, as many believed, intentions, was it excessive, was nicholas really such a bloody dictator, who was later portrayed by generations of historians, writers, and so on. it was largely because they were hanged that they turned into that myth,

which was then developed, simplified, it doesn’t matter, but this myth began to take shape, including about the sufferers who were hanged. spanish decembrists field marshal tarejos and his 48 companions were shot on the beach near malyga, which did not prevent them from becoming exactly the same symbolic victims, yes, indeed, many regicides became martyrs symbols and martyrs, if they especially did not succeed, but indeed the mark that the decembrists left in our history, it was very deep and long-lasting, as we see it... of the present time is present with us, but the decembrists really laid the foundations of this revolutionary tradition in our country, which was also written about by hercin, whom i have already quoted, well, let’s say nikolai ogorev, who , together with herzon, vowed

to fight the autocracy on the voravyovy hills, well, let me remind you of his poems in memory of rayleigh, everywhere they whispered, notebooks were passed around in lists from hand to hand... they picked it up, both kirensky and lenin were nobles, the palaces of the seventeenth year, both of them considered themselves to be continuers of the work. decembrists, this is what alexander ferovich kirinsky wrote: from hertzin, who gave birth through the decembrists, the people's will, the great russian writers, the nameless thousand of cultural

youth who went to katarga in the name of the liberation of the people through 1905 and the state duma, a straight road led to the spring days of 1917, well, from the spring days there was a direct road to the autumn days and of course one cannot help but remember vladimir ilyevich in connection with this lenin, feeling hercyn. we clearly see three generations, three classes active in the russian revolution, first the nobles and landowners, the decembrists and hercin. the circle of these revolutionaries is small, they are terribly far from the people, but their cause was not lost, the decembrists woke up hertzin, hertzin launched revolutionary agitation. well, further, we know how our history went; in general, the influence of the decembrists was indeed quite fundamental, despite the failure of the uprising. well, actually, i think they are - fate after the uprising, their worthy behavior already in siberia there or in those places where they are sent there in the caucasus, for example,

their uh, contacts with the creative environment, it was not for nothing that they called pushkin here, and in general this epic, the behavior of their wives, this is later russian women came to light in nekrasov, my friend is very dedicated, we taught these lines to us at school, and this, of course, is this legend that arose later..., in fact, there was no longer the essence, what was important was what was inside initially, this is a wonderful image, it motivated and inspired, because the most important component of this image was that, unlike the regicides of previous generations, these people did not set their personal goals as the goal of this coup, that was probably the fundamental nature of what happened, what if the murder of paul i was there among them were people... insulted, people who tried to change something for themselves, people who were involved in all sorts of vpalinsky intrigues, we can also look further at the rest, there

was originally a message here when people who had that’s all, that’s what the film shows very well, as if through the mouth of colonel gebel, who says: what do you care, your father is a senator, what other reforms do you need, yes, you have everything there, in fact, these were probably the fundamental results of that era of enlightenment, these two. generations who were brought up under the influence of the reform and humanism of catherine, they were brought up, this was probably innovation, and in fact what we then heard these quotes about now, why it was they who were picked up, why, let’s say, even those who participated in the trial of the decembrists, some of the murderers of paul i, were perceived in society to the end, favored by the awards of the generals, they were still considered in society, well, people, to put it mildly, with a damaged reputation, the same golinishchev kutuz , when, to whom he threw... he says: you told us this, you say, but your leadership, then this is just

a legend, it mobilized the following people, including from the nobles, from wealthy circles , to revolutionary asceticism in the name of bright, good idea, this was probably their greater significance for the history of our country, for the social movement, than these events of december 14, which in essence is, to put it mildly, nothing worthy of itself, if you don’t analyze it completely present. for many, the events of december 14 first became known and were associated with the poems of alexandraevich pushkin. pushkin’s decembrists, a favorite topic for discussion at school, a classic topic for essays, but the topic is not an easy one. in the film union of salvation, there is no pushkin, but the decembrists are. the topic lives on, in my opinion, it can very well give answers to the question of who the decembrists were, heroes or

traitors, there is a big story on the air, decembrists, traitors or heroes, the answer? decembrists, everyone, of course, at school learned a poem in the depths of the siberian ores, but who graduated from school long ago, let us remind you that in pushkin the acquaintance of many with the depths of the siberian ores began, maintain proud patience, your sorrowful work and thoughts, high aspirations will not be lost, are the shackles heavy? will fall the prisons will collapse, and freedom will greet you joyfully

at the entrance, and brothers, i will give you the sword. less known is the tenth chapter of evgeniy nigin, restored, where the decembrists also grew up, the members of the whole family gathered from the restless nikita from the cautious ilya, and in free reasoning about the government of the people they valued the reason of sharpened bayonets above words, the hole of bespierre's inheritance did not bother them, because that... that the enlightened mind is given the opportunity to pick up the goal, the means, and russian truths, the unfaithful swarm was already circling over the neva, deep penetration in general into the essence of decembrism, well, the situation is unique in that pushkin is a man who felt the style and time of his era, shaped it at the same time, and the decembrists were products of romanticism, if

we speak from the point of view of, say, the spirit of time, the style of time.

were completely included in it, in fact, chadayev was also brought to the investigation, but was not punished, because he very early moved away from these secret societies, which had already entered the decisive stage into the phase of conspiracy, a conspiracy to kill the royal family, he was in the circle of this communication, he knew many, but he did not know about the plans of society in full, then it’s very simple, we also perceive, again, the decembrists within the framework of that myth, which we have mentioned here more than once, through pushkin, if he was a friend of pushkin. he is good, you see, yes, he cannot be bad, but because we admire, love, especially when wonderful terms accompany not only after the fact, when the uprising had already taken place and the lines drawn there that we heard were dedicated, but this same poetry and free-thinking, he was considered a singer, well, just like dzhukovsky was the singer of the uprising of russian soldiers during the war of 1812, pushkin is a kind of singer of the uprising of russian soldiers planning new transformations,

based on this, of course, for... the poem of freedom, the desert sower, where he clearly says that freedom cannot become a consequence of a violent change in power, that freedom can only become a consequence of enlightenment, growth of self-awareness, civic growth, only this will prepare the ground for transformation, therefore in twenty in the third year he is already diverging, in fact , even in the eighteenth year, when he writes to kchaadaev, even there it is already clear how much his position does not fit into the narrow position

of the decembrists, when he writes, for example, that for us freedom is as organic as it awaits lover of a young moment of a faithful meeting , that is, for me, love is as much as freedom, it is wonderful, here are the decembrists, with their ascetic ideal, give up love, devote yourself to everything, yes, this does not fit into pushkin at all, but here it is again the story is that heroes, and the decembrists certainly became heroes, it is precisely their loss in the uprising that makes them, and now for pushkin they are no longer decembrists, they are friends who found themselves in the depths of the siberian ores, so maintain proud patience, not even... humility , that is, do not resign yourself, yes, but patience , endure, and as long as you endure, freedom will receive joyfully at the entrance, and the brothers will give you the sword, yes, that is, now this is a completely different story, and this famous question that the emperor asked pushkin, yes what would you do if on december 14, 1925, you found yourself in st. petersburg, because pushkin answered him very precisely, he said, i would be with my friends, that is, on the one hand, he demonstrates that i do not share their ideas, but

i would not leave my friends, why will i sound... to zhukovsky on january 20, 1826. probably, the government made sure that i did not belong to the conspiracy; the rebels on december 14 had no political connections, but it announced in the magazines that it had fallen and those who, having any information about the conspiracy, did not announce about that to the police. my future behavior depends on circumstances, on how the government treats me, and so on. so, all you have to do is rely on my discretion. you can demand evidence from me about this, but... quality, here they are. in chisinau i was friends with major raevsky, general pushchin and orlov. i was a freemason in the chisinau lodge, that is, in the one behind which all lodges in russia were destroyed. finally, i was in touch with most of the current conspirators. and here’s

what he wrote a few months later to his closest friend, probably pyotr vyazimsky. i never liked rebellion and revolution, that's true. but i was in contact with almost everyone and in correspondence with many of the conspirators. everything is outrageous. manuscripts circulated under my name, just as all obscene people circulated under the name of barkov. if i had been demanded by the commission, i would of course have acquitted myself, but they left me alone, and it seems that this is not good. i would also recall pushkin’s poems, written several years later in his famous message to siberia. no, i am not a liar, when i reign, i sing a song of praise. he he rules us cheerfully, boldly, he suddenly revived russia, with war, hopes, and labors. is not.

the last wit of trampling, that trampling , that in france shoemakers are making a revolution in order to become counts, and in our country the counts are making a revolution in order to become shoemakers, yes, so that’s how it is, well, here too there are comb-eaters, but we are judging for now by the work of goreatum and pochatsky, chatsky in general is quite such a character, but we see a lot of bile of skepticism from him, but at the same time we don’t see there...

ermo punishment, well, that’s what, that’s why indeed, pushkin is our everything , he is not in the film, well, the film is populated, it seems to me the appearance of such a great figure, it was really

a film, indeed overpopulated, but on the other hand, what do we know better about the decembrists than this film, and this is really historical drama, which can be called a blockbuster and modern language, which actually... very accurately describes what happened, the complexity of our history, and maybe i see nobility in those who really don’t know anything about russia and are ready to lead it to on the chopping block, that's the trouble, and pushkin, in fact, he figured out this situation in many ways, pushkin before senate square and pushkin after sinata square, these are two different pushkins. not everyone knows, but the date under a poem by pushkin does not always mean the day it was written, often the date refers to some event that happened on that day, one very famous

poem by pushkin, which you all know, is dated september 8, 1826, which it happened on that day, at the end of august 1826 , already in the seventh year of exile, enjoyed... on his first official working day in this post , august 28, the emperor gave the order to the chief of the main staff, general dibich, to summon pushkin here. on the night of september 3-4, an officer appears in mikhailovskoye with orders for pushkin to go to moscow. there is panic in mikhailovsky, everyone knows the fate of the decembrists, with whom pushkin is more than friendly, although they do not share their views for several hours. irina radionovna is crying. at five o'clock in the morning, with a heavy heart

, the poet sets off on the road and arrives on september 8 to the first throne, he is taken to the miracles or nicholas's palace to the emperor, to whom pushkin was also presented in a traveling suit, as he was, not quite warmed up, tired and it seems not even entirely healthy. a two-hour conversation followed. that same evening, at a ball hosted by marshal mormon, the french ambassador, the emperor called state secretary dmitry nikolaevich to him. said, you know, today i spoke for a long time with the smartest man in russia, in response to bludov’s questioning bewilderment, nikolai pavlovich named pushkin. so what the poem is dated september 8, 1826 . they thirst for spirituality, in the dark desert i was healed, and the six-winged seraphim appeared to me at a crossroads. with fingers as light as a dream, he touched my zinis, prophetic

units opened up, like those of a worn-out eagle, i lay like a corpse in the desert, and the god-eye cried out to me: “arise, prophet and vishti in mute, be filled with the will of the seas, and bypassing the seas and lands, with the verb , burn the hearts of people." pushkin found a mission. since september 1826 , pushkin's epigrams affecting the emperor and his entourage have disappeared and ceased to be disrespectful. statements of religion, but imbued with revolutionary romanticism. the poems actually ended even earlier; in russia the supreme authorities forgive everything except weakness. it was a great story, see you.

hello, i'm dmitry bak, we have another episode of a podcast with a romantic title, let them not talk, let them read, this is a podcast, of course, about literature, about books, well , by the way, about papyri, about electronic readers, about anything, the main thing is that you read, we are talking today with a wonderful interlocutor, this is the general director of the russian national museum.

one of my favorite subjects, both my parents are philologists, so i didn’t know this, yes, yes, so, in general, there was always a cult of books in the house, always from childhood i didn’t even understand why, but first of all, why to go to street, i had to read this or that work, i liked something, well , just one thing there, or everything at a young age, i read books that were intended for an older age, i...

thought that here on the program needs to be told, but now it just hits me normal human memories, because my grandmother worked in the library, and my god, that is, you are not only a son.

i really liked bringing them, helping bring them to the library, taking them, in general, i have been associated with this since childhood - with literature, with reading, in general, it seemed to me that uh, well, for example, when i i taught, i had a little period there, i taught at a music school there, i explained to my students how to take breath, well, you know, the sky was already breathing in the fall, become shorter.

than an ordinary person, this is the rhythmic breathing of poetry, he doesn’t teach literature from childhood, well, it’s hard to imagine that a person in kindergarten there is already thinking about how to be a poet or a novelist, but music, sports, you need to learn from a very young age, yes you can’t suddenly turn 17 and say whether i’m a pianist or a violinist, well, that doesn’t happen, i’d really like to know how it worked out for you, when... clicked at what point in kindergarten, at school , mom said, or went to the concert, as they said, once upon a time, i went to a concert , that’s right, well, first my mother said, then i went to a concert, everything was, everything was like everyone else, but first i played the violin, a beautiful,

good instrument, but in general i don’t like it i really liked it, although at the same time i also played hockey, the violin and the case were an excellent goal when i went to music school, but it was dangerous. well, it’s dangerous, well, in general it was fine, then i realized that it’s a good instrument, by the way, the violin is a very good musical instrument in the sense that it develops hearing well, you know, in our time these same boys, such hooligans at school, who were such school authorities, oddly enough, it turned out that all these boys played in the brass band, all this in saratov, yes, who played in the brass bands, as they say now, it was cool, due to the fact that, in general, i was stingy and they gave me... there a musical instrument in my hands, well, it was not so difficult to master, that is, i understand, of course, it’s a game, it’s difficult to learn to play well, but in in general , after the violin it was so nothing, this is important, yes, that is, the violin is so it’s difficult, that yes, yes, after the violin it seemed to me, well, it seems to me, it was easier for me

than it might be for others, and i started playing in the school orchestra, i liked it, in general it was beautiful, wait, but the rock ensemble, i was in a rock ensemble, we were about the same age, no, then there was a vocal instrumental ensemble, rock rock, yes, well , of course, they played, of course, they played guitars, it wasn’t so prestigious, or what? - you know, the brass players, the brass cooker, the brass cooker, i played on school rulers, on some kind of them, like that official celebrations, it was, it was , you know, let our respected interlocutors remember this moment, mikhail arkaevich compared informal concerts of a vocal-instrumental ensemble, i was a drummer in a school ensemble, so he compared official events where brass players played. what was interesting about it, then i liked a musical instrument, the trumpet, i went and asked the music school to transfer me from violin to trumpet, i began to study on such an interesting musical instrument, trumpet, i was in love into it incredibly, recently i once heard

an interesting phrase from vladimir teodorovich spevakov, he was holding one wonderful instrument in his hands, when he took it in his hands, he said: “i will talk to her this evening.” with her with a violin, yes, i remembered that i once talked to my musical light with a trumpet, i would please tell me, and forgive my ignorance, the violin naturally changes simply by age, fingers, well, there are eighths, quarters, eighths , quarter notes, but the piano doesn’t change, of course, yes, although the fingers are also small, the wind instruments also don’t change, they don’t change, i also have a daughter in a music school, i watch her. as if out of this world, on the other hand, many of them are pragmatists, that is, they know how to work like

an athlete in training, then many musical specialties are professions in the future, well, hardly piano, after all , there are not many concert pianists , there are not many concert performers, but there are many pianists, well, teachers, pedagogues, of course, of course, but the violins are simply the creation of an amateur, their a lot, this is a profession, this is a piece of bread, and a pipe too. there is such an evil joke that the brass player’s head has an upper resonator, yes, yes, well, yes, but

i, but i’ll tell you that it’s cool brass players, well, in an orchestra not in a school, but in general or not, well, in general, a brass player - this is a leader , especially a trumpet player, i think so too , i’ll just tell you, i worked in an orchestra for 16 years, when you sit at the end of the orchestra and all the groups of instruments are in front of you, and then further on the masters, conductors, and spectators stand for you all you see, yes you see, this is usually the case. 40, well, for a while, here they are, one played, the other didn’t, in general, the difference is small, don’t let my fellow musician be offended by me, well, that’s when the trumpeter plays one note wrong. everyone hears, listen, it’s always a solo , it’s, well, not a solo, but it’s audible, any note

is absolutely audible, i didn’t think about it, in general, this is a profession that develops nerves of steel, yeah, i’ve knocked you down, let’s let's go back, romantic, romantic, no, of course, romantic, but then more of a pragmatist, because it seemed to me that i i want, i want to make this my specialty someday, and that’s how it worked out for me, at the age of 12 i translated what you started talking about, what it was. 7 years old at 12 and then it was necessary to master a musical instrument in 3 years and enter a music school, i only had 3 years, well, in general, how did i manage to do it there, i entered a music school, then to a conservatory, and then i became a professional to do this, but in general i went from romanticism to pragmatism, still earlier than most classmates, after all, the musician understands that yes, yes, as in sports, as in such things. well, no, i haven’t, it seems to me, no, because

it’s something separate, it ’s not even likely that this happens in biology, i don’t know, no, playing music, it’s just a way of life, it’s all subordinated to a few hours per day you have to study, practice, have to practice, yes, here it’s just practice, here, the biologist doesn’t read, several hours, yes, hours, years, until you work out all these synchronizations, while you are not only you will play the instrument until you hear enough. kilometers of music you have to recognize it, yes you have to hear it inside , a good musician who always has a reference sound inside, and how to listen to it from inside the orchestra, remember there was a film by yasiliani, a singing druz, where he ran around the city and came running only to his part of the cymbals, once or twice he ran away again, well, there are a lot of musicians’ jokes on this topic, but from inside the orchestra, in general, you hear the whole palette of everything. what's going on from here today, here i can

make a big leap today, today i work in a music museum, every day i come into contact with music, in general i can argue with the knowledge of musical works by the most serious musicologists, because this is practice, practice, yes, because i did not learn this from textbooks, i am a great i just overplayed the amount of music, so when something comes on the radio now... i remind you that today in the next episode of the literary podcast, let them not talk, let them read, we are talking with the general director of the russian national museum of music mikhail arkadyevich bryzgalov, well, 16 years in an orchestra is serious, and maybe we ’ll see a trumpeter.

grigoriidze, secretary of the unesco commission, i know him, grigory, yes. well, of course, now we are fooling around, there were no rehearsals, this is just complete improvisation, well, this is now a museum night.

but here is jazz, yes, this is now a classic, of course, in a sense, here it is synthesis, here there is everything, this is improvisation, real modern music, like this, like this is wonderful, in general, in a word , a boy passionate about music, then a pragmatist , then many years in an orchestra, and also... not a boy, but a husband, but, in detail, thinking, carefully about how different arts relate to each other , i thought about this too, and you also know that in the middle of our episodes - our podcast there is always an author’s column, and it’s just starting now, so i brought a few old books from my library, these are books by marcille proust, classics of french literature , this is

a book from the twenty-seventh year, publishing house academy, very famous, this is a book from 1934, lovingly restored, it certainly didn’t look like that in the original, well, this is already a book from 1973, but what’s the point? i was thinking about reading something that would describe the synthesis of literature and music, i thought maybe there was a break by ivan goncharov, the author of oblomov, there is a scene where one of the characters listens to music and talks about it, maybe thomas mann , his novel doctor fausta, where he invented. and came up with his music and retells it in words again, and then there was schnittky’s music, yes, which, yes, and schonberg, who was offended that he invented daphony, and thomasman ironically bequeathed to attribute that this schnittsky invented it, so what, schunberg invented it, he is a great musician, and i a great author, here, but i still settled on proust, because

in this seven-ton, huge epic, simply called in search of loss. time or in search of lost time, as they said.