so sergei pavlovich korolev, it was he who recommended them to enter the shukovsky academy, to be honest, they wanted to enter the gagarin academy like all pilots, well, of course, like all pilots, this is natural, but sergei pavlovich insisted so that they enter the zhukovsky academy, and here i would especially like to note that the cosmonauts, of course, were exceptional people, because, you know, they were recruited from several thousand people and selected. at first 32, then it became even less, they studied very conscientiously, they had to study more difficult than for us, ordinary listeners, well, they are in plain sight, they were ashamed to come there unprepared, to receive an unsatisfactory mark, i understand them perfectly well, i watched them with 100 eyes, they studied longer than us, we studied for 5 years, they studied 7 years to complete the same program, it turns out...

that the first cosmonaut was gagarin, he never let the country down, not in any foreign country, anywhere, the whole planet loved him, and he lived up to this, so we later met with gagarin , i personally rarely met, but when they came to classes, and often the teachers had to go to the star, so as not to distract them, the teachers went to the star, on the contrary , the academy went to the academy, then the academy went, then they came, that is , there was a complex curriculum, the curriculum remained. with the same, and the curriculum changed,

what is the curriculum, this is on wednesday, these classes are on thursday and so on, here is the curriculum, and it, of course, was adjusted according to how busy they were, and in order not to wasting their time often happened the teachers went out, and they studied not in absentia, it turns out, you know, full-time by correspondence, full-time by correspondence, because they were lagging behind as astronauts, they had their own work , they had to take tests, pass exams, this is mandatory, this, as a rule, was at the academy. but it happened even in the hospital , if the one who taught suddenly had to take a test from gagarin, then he went to visit, to the hospital, and shveikin was lying there, he taught the astronauts, mathematics, he was very strict, he gave yuri a b, then for a long time worried, he said, he answered between a four and an a, and i, he says, due to my boring nature, gave him a four, well, all the teachers were also under supervision.

all my friends met quite rarely, that’s when they had already started their diploma design, and what is diploma design at the zhukovsky academy is the implementation of a diploma project. sergei mikhailovich came up with the following move: sergei mikhailovich belotserkovsky was a deputy at that time, first he was the head of the department of aerodynamics, and then the deputy head of the academy for educational research work, but he was mainly involved in science, and he was the supervisor of this complex graduation project. sergei pavlovich korolev gave this task to sergei mikhailovich, you say, show them that not only the astronaut has difficulties, the general also has difficulties.

he had been thoroughly involved in take-off and landing issues, but on this simulator, an analog simulator, he practices the elements of take-off and landing just like a pilot, like an astronaut. the machine, the analog one, contains the characteristics of this device, which we gave them after purges, these characteristics are laid down, and he tries, but he also tries, everything always worked out for him, he lands, takes off and lands on this analog machine. his invented airplane, you were with him, you say , you often felt some kind of aura that he was a difficult person, yuri alekseevich, or he was as simple as all the other listeners, yuri alekseevich was

better, joked or, on the contrary, he walked seriously, he was very, well, what are you talking about, he is such a pleasant person to talk to, so approachable, for the last 2 months they sat at the department without... already a diploma project, they practically did not leave the academy, they worked very seriously, consultants came to them, except for the general director sergei mikhailovich belotsarkovsky, doctors, twice a state prize winner, and so on, very famous scientists, they were assigned to yuri alekseevich, each of them was assigned a consultant from the department by specialty.

"it will be easier for you to walk, that one was very heavy, also very cute, my friend, well did you know gagarin, met him , did you communicate with his family, with loved ones, you know, we talked a lot with the family, i don’t know

how many times i went, but many times i went to konichi bafeevna with sergei mikhailovich without sergei mikhailovich , this is anna timofeevna , when we arrived, anna timofeevna says, “yes, that’s it.” okay, fine, everything is fine with me, but the wiring is faulty, so the next time i brought two electricians from the academy, while we were talking with her, drinking she had tea, the electricians replaced it, well, they arrived with copper ones, a good send-off, well, where it was necessary quickly, they replaced everything, she stayed, then they built a separate house, this shot is very dear to me, anna timofeevna invited us sergei mikhailovich for her seventy-fifth birthday, sergei mikhailovich listen, he says, i have no time for cake. .. you answer, i went to our dining room and said , well, do what you want, make a big, beautiful cake, they made a big one, they made something like this, beautiful, very elegant, well, they didn’t take the money, can you tell me what for you were april 12th then, well, maybe you can say that you still

feel when this holiday comes, well , as i remember, it caught me in kazakhstan, well, they immediately formed a regiment, shouted for a long time , hurray, glory, glory to the first kosman of soviet russia, well, like everyone else people, general rejoicing, i don’t know, like even a military unit, a strict military unit, why were you on sabantuy in the evening like, god forbid, well, flights were canceled for tomorrow, of course, when his father was told this news, well, they said, i think your yura flew, he says, definitely mine, well, yes, major, he is like that, definitely not mine, my senior, yes, yes, there is such a story, yes, there is such a thing, he was assigned during the flight...

the mission was directly written: to recommend gagarin to enter the academic adjunct course

at the zhukovsky academy, this would be recommended to him, and he, saying goodbye to us, said, not for long, i’ll soon come back to you again. happy birthday, yuri alekseevich, we congratulate you as a living, existing hero among us, with gratitude and joy we dedicate our song to you. yours. they tear, he turned around in simple peace, and white teeth are unfamiliar, smoothed his hair with his hand, while the coma is not yet reduced, his kind, kind family, gently, gently shield. touched the redhead, even if there was no one , goodbye, goodbye, dear without you, life

, beat, beat, yes, life, crela, was sick, kokarin, i loved you, oh, like karin, i loved you, oh, like garim , i loved you, oh, how i loved you, oh, he didn’t know after how long i floated like a fragment of him, a stream hit him in the back, i ran silently with my food, it hurt, it hurt, then i fell, hurt myself, without... i got out of the wreckage and started to lie down

zloty and tolgai life was beat and life was winged like karen i loved you oh ragarin i loved you he lar like karin i loved you like karin i loved you, he.

as if it were true that the milky way, god lowered it onto his stripes, his shoulder straps burn like mercury, he is so beautiful that it makes us sick, he is filled with white light, he laughs kindly to himself, his soul is like a testing ground, he is light and...

dakaren , i loved you, oh.

my guest today is yaroslav zhalnin, theater and film actor, hello, good afternoon, and i’m also visiting today with my deputy director for scientific work of the memorial museum of cosmonautics in moscow, vyacheslav klimenko. yes, good afternoon, hello. well, let's talk, what does yulia alekseevich gagarin mean to you? gagarin had to happen in my life, we call him a hero when he walked.

hung out because he wanted to try everything, how he came to the flying club in saratov, there is a story that, well, he just saw that someone was flying somewhere, saw some story about the club and wanted to go there, that is, he i saw, i went, i won, something like that for me it seems that the phenomenon is very useful for people in general, well, that is, doing what you like, achieving some success in it, not what is customary, well, go for something and you will become a worthy person, but do and get pleasure and don't wait for what's going to happen to you. yes, he walked, walked, hop, stood up , this is the most important thing, yes, so this is probably the quality of loving life, enjoying every moment of it, it helped him become the first, and it attracted me to gagarin, i love him so much i let myself enjoy myself here now, yaroslav, i played in a film once, but artistically, i just came, played myself

, we didn’t prepare for anything, tell me, before playing the role of gagarin, you... had to do some special preparation, well of course, i read everything that was there at that time, there is a small funny moment that during the filming, it was very well gathered here, all the actors, all my partners always met me in any scene, whatever it was, they told me, smile, you are so more like gagarin, i say, well , firstly, gagarin was not a sick person, so... of course he could smile, he had to do it for some reason, well, i think the director may have chosen himself because your smile, because gagarin is very famous for his smile, yes, well, we tried it before filming, we tried it there and on the computer they pulled me a little closer to the loon, but it all didn’t look very good, and they did some kind of plastic makeup, tried, but then realized that it was better to search through

his inner story, his love for life, rather than trying to copy him like this, you know what’s the most difficult thing? it was that a lot of the chronicles that were filmed about him were filmed after the landing, that is, we see him, he is happy, he is there, and there are even shots that seem to have been filmed before, well, that is, in fact, they were filmed after the landing , this is the task of deciphering how alone he really was, how, well, how worried he was, how well, this is really scary, well, at that moment, this is me i understand that for those who fly now, well , the path is already quite clear, the path is clear even then.

and we, in fact, are for such, well , balanced historical truth, yaroslav just said that he read a lot, it’s also very difficult to deal with gagarin about this, because a huge amount of literature has been written, a lot of tales, a lot there are a lot of myths, so we try to sort of separate what is called considering what time it was, there was no such thing, as i understand it , democracy and openness, yes, of course, of course, many questions arise, many questions, why such decisions were made, not other decisions, but this is a peasant guy. it was born in not far from now and the village of klushin - this is the city of gzhadsk then in fact such a place i will say. it is very important for the history of russia, because it is, as it were, on the border, the smolensk region, all the wars that happened all went through these places, and there, in fact, in the 17th

century, great events took place, and accordingly, the times of the napoleonic wars, that is a place where it always seems first they protected, then they let enemies pass through them, and then they drove them out of there, that is, yes, that is, he is not just a whore, and you cannot say that some small village is actually such a good place to live. here she is, standing on the left , she changed them all, you see, so the shirts, valentin is the eldest, older brother, here

is the younger one, boris is standing behind valentin , yura gagarin is sitting, by the way, you see how he looks, he is not smiling, here is yaroslav now i noticed an interesting thing: this smile is famous, if you look at everything photographs, such a smile and such a smiling gagarin, he is after the flight, not even after the flight, i would say after april 14, even before... the percentage of such situations is such a flight, a good strong family, dad, which means such a worker bone, everything was burning , everything was burning in her hands, it’s interesting that mom, she

is not just a peasant’s daughter, not just a peasant woman, it so happened that her family lived for some time, lived in st. petersburg, gagarin’s grandfather was such a hereditary worker in st. petersburg foundry, too, by the way, a foundry, a foundry, so she received a three-year education. she knew how to read, unlike her father, so she read to him a lot, told him fairy tales , that is, this is the first education he received, he received it from his mother, from anna timofeevna, and he helped his father a lot, that is, he also had everything in his hands, for example, there in the museum of the city of gagarin there is a small wooden frame, which is on his father’s instruments, so he made it with his own hands, so carefully, to put photographs there, photographs of his parents, and this is a school one photo, in general, he went to first grade back in klushino, in september, he really wanted to, he was preparing, he was running, it so happened that he was allowed by a student there to sit with

valya, with valentin, with his brother, there several times he was in stayed in class, he just went before the war, he went on september 1 , 1941, he probably didn’t even really understand that the war was already going on, the boy was 6.5 years old, so he studied for a month, in october, absolutely right, in october the fascists, in october yes. correctly kicked out in october they came the germans, they set up a workshop in this house, although the house was nice, big , there were three rooms, there they, well, in general, my father literally tore out a dugout in 2 days, they spent the whole time there , they spent the entire time of the occupation in this dugout, more than one year - yes, it was only in the forty-third year that klushino was liberated, life was difficult, of course, there was nothing to eat, and there was not much to bathe, we went through a lot, we almost died there... boris almost died this is the younger brother there, the germans literally hung him there ate they took him off, he screamed yura and his mother literally saved him there - the elders zoya and valentin were generally

driven away to work, they were driven to germany and managed to escape, she was then already at war until the end of the war, and in 1945 they decided that they had to move, move to zhatsk, the father is so damn i’m talking... everything was so bright in his hands, he knew how to do everything, and the stall was very good, he’s dismantling the house, this is in klushino, and he’s moving, they’re moving to nuna gagarin, to gzhatsk, and he collects this house, here he goes to study fully, there are a huge number of stories, a huge number of sources, because i also managed to communicate with people who were friends with gagarin, there were classmates, and many classmates, many classmates, i just know that i remember when i, when i flew into space, well, here we are. there you can read the internet , well, i read, for the first time naturally, i read, i look , and there, in short, they write, well, i sat with him in the middle class, i sat, and i sometimes read, i

have never heard these names in my life. the most the main thing is that if they all sit at one desk, it will be longer than our school, and most importantly, who sat with me, alexey nesterov, he now lives in st. petersburg, who sat with me, he never said anything about it anywhere , can you imagine, a very similar story, because every year five or six people come to our museum and say that it was he who closed the love affair with gokarin, although we know, i know who now, yes, yes, everyone is attentive , we listen to everyone carefully, so to speak, not to offend anyone.

in fact, this is a very good question, that’s why it’s the first one, we studied for a very long time, you can tell a lot of things, of course sergei pavlych had a very positive attitude towards him , he’s real, of course, he generally called everyone eagles, my eagles, yes, but gagarin’s really treated him very well, probably it was sergei pavlovich who chose who would fly first, you know, sergei pavlovich chose, sergei pavlovich chose, and of course there and now everyone writes that komanin also writes that he chose, and i think what's the solution

was accepted at the very top, but... there is still a very important point here, when we analyzed all the documents on the preparation of the first detachment, you understand, we even made such a mathematical formula, he was actually the first according to estimates, this is a very important point, so he was really ahead and titov and others , according to assessments, that’s all, if you add up all the marks that he received in all the final exams during preparation, he was, he was number one, and you know, this distinguished gagarin, so we show it in the museum... his certificates are different , he studied with straight a's everywhere, he finished with an a everywhere, but at the same time, this is how he told it, and even after the flight at the academy, he had one b in mathematics, and the teacher later admitted that it seemed to him that apparently gagarin was too cool, as it were show, because he says he was the same, but i decided, i’m such a cool teacher, i gave gagarin a four, then all

my life i regretted that... that he gave him, the only one who gave this four, i would also regret it, well, do you think he was a charismatic person, he was charismatic, i’ll even say this, the girls really liked him, he was very, you know, he was very, you know, there is a description of how he dressed when he went to school, yes, when he went to school, always ironed trousers , a white shirt, this canvas bag, that is, his mother kept an eye on him, and at the same time he was very open , very... the first one, just in everything, by the way , i wonder where the last name came from, there is also around this there are a lot of stories there, at a press conference they asked what kind of you have anything to do with the princes of gagarin, gagarin, who live, he said that i don’t know any princes, then it means it went, the myth began that it was someone who was a serf, there was, well, theoretically it could be like that, because the truth of the land, the land of these noblemen, here, but it’s interesting that this

is a bird, this is itself... a bird, this is also some kind of symbolism in this, here is a loon, by the way, the nickname was a loon, so returning to what i studied, so this is what the teacher told me, i took perseverance, i i would even say this, you know, this is the edge of such a little obstinacy, i won’t get up until i do this, that’s why i could sit at night, and so it was, and there were moments that didn’t work out, when he finished sixth grade, many of his comrades , so we decided to leave for moscow.

who, what, why and when they first got to the ukhtomsky plant, here he is in his book, the road to space, he then describes, we are so scared, he says, everything is rattling, sparkling, lava is pouring. and then i managed nothing, by the way, these things are related to studying in lyubertsy, at the lyubertsy school, and at the same time he graduated from the school for working youth, and both with an a, and it is stored, firstly, firstly, there is a desk there, we recently showed it in the museum, there is a desk there, and the director of the school told me at the liberec school, the liberec school, that often the tenth college, gagarin came to them in 67, he came and prepared, there was a line, there were rapports, everything, then the children already became bolder, when he was already so very open, so good, that's it, and he says, yuri alekseevich, can you recognize your desk

? , i noticed something there, let’s say, under the lid, thank you. tell me why gagarin is everything for us, because everyone in our country wants to be the first in their business, because we are the kind of country that wants to move forward, because gagarda is a personification, this is our bond. yaroslav, what do you say? well, i'll say that's it. gagarin is an incredibly wonderful example of how to live. i ’ve already talked about this... but about the fact that this is a lifestyle, gagarin still chose one that you want to envy, nobly envy, and if you take advantage of this lifestyle, then you will achieve a lot, and some gates will open for you that you don’t even suspect about,

because to be the first in everything and not just gloatingly try to achieve something, it’s through the pleasure of going, you, you will succeed, i think so, that’s why i think, that's to the museum, and in general not only to our museum. memorial museum of cosmonautics, it’s just that you need to go to all the museums, in all the cities where it is stored, you need to take schoolchildren, uh, so that they, in general, are charged by the gagarins. dear friends , unfortunately, time has come to an end, today we remembered yuri alekseevich gagarin, we talked, uh, what he was like in childhood, what he became after the flight, how do you feel him, different generations, and today i was visiting - were two wonderful people, this is an actor. theater and cinema yaroslav zhalnin assistant on the scientific work of the director of the memorial museum of cosmonautics vyacheslav klimenko and i anton shkaplerov and this is a podcast of space stories.

this podcast is a must-read, i ’m aglayana batnikova, on the eve of international women’s day, march 8, arina hollina, a blogger, and i will discuss the famous novel by margaret mitchell, gone with the wind and the heroine scarly tuhara, so beloved by many, who has become a symbol of female independence, a style icon , and of course, a paradoxical character, which we will discuss today with arina, hello, hello, i’m glad to see you, and...

there’s something going on with her, i’ve already forgotten, something happened, she broke everything in herself, so she couldn’t work as a reporter, but in general, at that time, being a female reporter one way or another, well, it’s not like an ordinary housewife, she was an extreme person, of course, but she had no ambitions for the idea of ​​a writer, or a writer, so she writes this novel, her only work in her life, she wrote it for 10 years, it was published in 1936, it immediately becomes a bestseller and is based on it hollywood movie, right? with the stars, and it seems to me this is fame that did not suddenly fall, she may not have previously laid claim to such a role as a great american writer, but nevertheless, her book can still be read, it’s interesting, and the film is still interesting to watch, you agree

it already seems hard to me, after all, there’s a lot of stuff, you know, outdated, soundstage filming, you know, i have the most trouble now, it seems to me that maybe we’re all traumatized by the soundstage filming, well, probably in the film after all.. .the main thing is the casting, and even there the casting is quite accurate, this is a pie lee and clark gable, i think this is very successful, so to speak, they suit these characters, you agree, very... 200% a unique option, and why is the novel still interesting to read? well, listen, it doesn’t even matter whether it’s a woman or a man, in general it’s about a person’s life at a turning point, when this person loses everything, look, she loses both her mother and her father, well, her homeland, i would even say, because society , in which she grew up disappears, society believes, everything is collapsing, everything, she doesn’t give up, and it’s very... somehow alive it’s written, in the sense that you can

believe it, that such a heroine seemed to exist and tells us her story, very different from everyday difficulties to some global ones, of course, you know this from carly tuhara, it seems to me that this is just an example paradox, i believe that the success of the book is precisely due to this character of scarle tuhara, and it seems to me that the paradox is that the author intended something completely different in the sense that she... is critical of her heroine, that is, now i i re-read the book, and i understand that she emphasizes it lack of education, it emphasizes her some bad deeds, emphasizes her selfishness, yes, emphasizes her lack of conscience, lack of reflection, introspection, that is, when margaret mitchell herself was asked whether she wrote this heroine from herself, she answered quite sharply, that scarlet is a prostitute, and i am not, that is, she is also , let’s say, frivolous in relationships with... with men, and she manipulates them consciously,

but she is not frivolous, because frivolous - that’s if she just let it flutter somehow manipulated himself, she wears this mask, that is, for men, she puts on the mask of such a turkish woman all the time, except for ret butler, whom she could not defeat, he saw through her from the very beginning from the very beginning and did not try, not a lady, no, well , he immediately tells her at the first acquaintance that you are not a lady, so he immediately exposes her , because she... she was trying to cashley, mind you, that is, she had a non-material desire all her life,

that’s all her whole life that we know, yes, she wanted something like that, it seems to me that her crush on ashley, she's kind of uh, well symbolizes her craving for something spiritual, because ashley he loves literature, music, he is not like her, he reads books, he always looks somewhere with his dreaming gaze through her, and she likes it, she is drawn to him exactly as a person. well, in general, she’s just beating against

this ashley, but everything should have disappeared by now, it’s just that she keeps climbing on him, by the way, why, why did she continue, because the man hasn’t told her many times already, which we see in life, it seems to me that she has honor, she has an excellent egocentric, and she’s about to get it, you know, get it in principle, you know, after the lowlies were caught, when they were driving, he told her that well, maybe then, in short , he did tell her at some point that... the power of seduction, even if it’s not a difficult skill, yes, but in her performance, but

nevertheless, and she doesn’t succeed at all, seshly and you know this, this is how to win, achieve, well, that is, she didn’t reach this height, i can’t take it, she continues, maybe this is also part of her, this painful character, by the way, here look, about the spiritual scarlett, she loves tara, and, in fact, all her life she devotedly loved her, fought for her, that’s her love. but this seems to mean that this is also a spiritual, spiritual image, yes, love for the earth, this is in this, of course, that it is she who sells herself to her husbands in order to preserve the container, yes. she actually has a very big spiritual debt of hers that she herself may not understand why, but she puts all of herself into this heritage, or what ? listen, here's the dichotomy between these two women, melony and scarlett, that's how you describe them, is this some kind of basic conflict between two

female characters? you know, it seems to me that mitchell’s book, why did it suddenly turn out so great? yes, by the way, a very cool definition, suddenly great, yes, well, listen, in theory, because it seems to be very similar to the genre of a women's novel, well, that 's exactly what you know, a little closer to the tabloid, but she's like fi gerald , it describes society, yes, the behavior at the turning point of all these people, not only scarlet, scarlet, by and large, is like a part, of course, she magnetizes, she pulls you towards herself. but without the heroes who were very characteristic of that time for this situation , everything would not have worked out like this, here is ashley and a person who is absolutely crushed by circumstances and admits it, someone is floundering, someone has become a swindler, i don’t even mean butler , but let’s say some

managers managers you know not not a serf this is an important very kind of top manager yes then on such a large estate a top manager and history shows that women show somehow greater elasticity of the psyche in crisis situations, and maybe a man is able to really give his life there, i mean some kind of greater elasticity, because ashley. there he tried his life and that’s his fifties , yes, but he’s just not in a crisis, it ’s precisely on the ruins of life on the ruins of the general life of the structure of the country of his world, but because, after all, the abolition of slavery shook up the structure all over, but no, they were rich, they were aristocrats and became beggars, the world is everywhere

the other one, and he’s completely weak, eloni shows great presence of mind, she’s a strong guy. yes, she's a strong guy, she 's almost giving birth somewhere hundreds of kilometers away, and she survives, doesn't whine, in general, doesn't cause any inconvenience to anyone, that is, she's stronger than her husband, and i think ashley partly chose her, you know , they now have a common one, she is different, but she is also strong, i agree, but she is rather strong in her nobility, she always makes choices, morally accurate, for her all the time. this is evil, this is good, she lives her life life, just not, but she has such moments, for example, when the whole society refused to accept captain butler in atlanta even before the south lost the war, she accepted him and told everyone directly that i will accept captain badler, because

yes , she decided to say this to the face of some matrons who were accusing him there, such a secular choice, it doesn’t matter, yes, well, listen, she ’s kind of... well-read, here you are, kirei is discussing, yes, she’s well-read, she, look , scarlett, she doesn’t seem to give a damn about this society, when ret taught her to not give a damn about this society gradually, no, she was always like that, listen, she was such a fidgety person, and she didn’t care if she offended her girlfriends, scolded her mother, well, yes, it just developed in her, that is when it’s just some secular conventions, it’s one story; when she needs money, she trades. the yankees are already different there , when she marries ret, everything is completely different there, in a sense, melony too, she goes against society, not with such a challenge, not so apologetic, and not so, to her, like scarlet the truth doesn’t give a damn, she doesn’t give a damn about them, but she still, you see, they are like them, you think that they are a mirror of each other,

well, somehow, of course, they are not quite a mirror, but they are from the same cloth, conditionally, because they look interesting in different ways, by the way, for some reason they look to me.