he was probably 40 years old, i don’t know what he was doing at the show, girl models are walking along the catwalk, thin, pretty, i look at the dress, i look at, say, figures, hairstyles, faces , i look at them, and he sits next to me and he says, no, well, that’s outrageous, what is it, i say that he doesn’t, well, look, their elbows are all so dry and i understand that i don’t even look at it at all. where he saw on the catwalk these beautiful, fragile girls, models, in beautiful dresses, he saw their dry elbows, he probably... professional director of the show , he is right about the deformation, he just looks at it, always, what else do you pay attention to in appearance, and well , first of all, nikolai zabolotsky has already said all about it, yes, a vessel in which there is emptiness or fire...

but when you go to the mirror in the morning and if you get scared, it seems to me that you shouldn’t grab your mascara, you should go to the doctor, you know, because after all. you must be healthy, so that you go to the mirror in the morning and say: oh, how wonderful, or stop eating at night, for example, as in my case, well , everyone there already manages their evening in their own way, but it seems to me that this is the most wonderful thing, and i see, for example, when one of my actresses with whom i work comes to rehearsal, just washed, you think, god, how beautiful she is, by the way, i adore the bezmaki people.

where you can meet men these days, then one of my friends started telling a story that she was traveling somewhere and met by chance in a hotel with a group of bikers, and the bikers were from all over world, guys who are passionate about motorcycles, with tattoos, beautiful, tall, and that by profession they were mainly plumbers, police officers, these are all quite brutal professions, that is, real ones. yes, they started

talking about these men so enthusiastically, and i said, girls, well, you’re already old enough, i got over this aesthetic at the age of 20, but now i’m talking if there’s nothing to talk about with him , if he started talking, cool, wow, and then you started talking to him, and he's a fool, they are like that, and that, well, well, he’s handsome , that’s how you perceive male beauty, i like it, i like people who, i don’t know, they’re beautiful, even if they, i don’t know, have contradictions to all proportions, they will still be beautiful, and if they are not molded by nature according to the canons, they will still be beautiful, they will be even more than beautiful, they are awesome, you want to look at them, you want to get closer to them, you want to be with them talk and want to do something for such people, yes, that is this internal impulse appears to somehow interact and... and i can

say that there are people who are amazingly professionally competent, well, that is, they know their job, and for me they are absolutely unbearable, that is, tv presenters, actors, yes, who. .. have enormous charisma on the screen and reveal themselves there in some of their roles, they can be absolutely invisible in life, we all work in the public sphere, that’s what’s important to you, when you feel, those are the moments you feel confident , when you go out into the public sphere, what elements are important to you? every day is different, depending on what tasks you set for yourself, what you are going through, what meetings you have. what kind of communication do people generally influence your mood, your well-being every day, people, well , for example, do you always choose your own wardrobe, or because you have such a busy schedule, do you turn to the services of stylists? no, no, yes, i don’t

like to do all this, that’s why it’s all so quick and quick , you have a luxurious jacket, i’m just, well it’s very hard to believe that you got it so carelessly. grabbed it and ran on, well, of course, by the way, how does shopping go for you, it’s painful, i don’t like stores, i don’t like all these trying things on, i never try on anything, i grab it, run and in order to get rid of it all as quickly as possible, it’s not interesting at all, len, well, you even have me , well, this is my profession, i hate shopping, no, i ’m always that friend who sits on the entrance steps and says, i’ll wait for you here, so... because i understand very quickly , what i need, what i don’t need, what’s good for me , what’s not good for me, and now the internet often saves me, because if i have some kind of need, i quickly identify it in a huge assortment of filters and just understand that i need to buy it, it always arrives in the right size,

plus i’m friends with designers, i buy a lot of things from them and they have some kind of good, unusual cut and style, so, but this is also very fast. for groceries, for clothes, for cosmetics, fortunately we have the opportunity to order everything online, or you use it, i don’t leave there at all, i’m an online person, this, by the way, is a very convenient option that really saves us from unnecessary going out somewhere , yes, marketplaces are now well... in fact, they are destroying retail, that is, when you buy your favorite cream in one place, and i don’t know, there are new socks, a new pan, there ’s cat food, all this is in one place and comes to you at once, and this is such a big increase now they have sales, but i, as

the owner of a cosmetic brand, can speak simply because we see this dynamics of growth in sales on marketplaces and growth in dynamics in online stores, that is , this is probably... just when we were all going through covid, and there was no other way out, but people somehow this worry about leaving your card details on the internet, we broke up completely, started buying everything via the internet, now all services are moving to the internet and it’s impossible to imagine what it’s like to be impossible to imagine how to be a beautiful woman without the ability to use modern technology, right? you know what you need, and sometimes you have to try , look, this is also just beauty shopping, of course, it would be nice to touch and feel, no, yes, plus they have a slightly more complicated return from beauty shopping , if it didn’t suit you, that’s why

i think that cosmetic stores will still remain, but now they are more like some kind of party places, that is, this is some kind of beauty community, let’s say, well, look how cool we brought it under finnish. try some new makeup and become smart and beautiful, it’s a wonderful time we live with you, very lucky, yes, thank you very much, it was very interesting, and i wish you a beautiful, warm spring, you can’t keep up with the ideal, on sharp turns you can miss the main thing, yourself

and your uniqueness. be true to yourself , watch all the episodes on the first website. this podcast is a must read, i'm glana batnikova, today we are discussing andrei platonov, the great russian writer with german sadulayev, german, hello, hello, german, please tell me what is special about platonov and what is his place in general in russian literature? platonov, one of the greatest writers of the 20th century, he discovered and created his own language, he has a unique one. language, he is very psychological, he is very philosophical

, it seems to me that he is one of the most important authors of russian literature, whom you absolutely cannot ignore, and he is very suitable for the name of your program , a must read, if you haven’t read platonov, then you should basically you don't understand anything about russian literature, well, i agree, but you know, when you chose this topic, i was a little surprised, because you are a hindu. postmodernist, it seems to me that you work very coolly with myths and some kind of double meanings, when i found out that you wanted to talk about platonov, i was surprised, especially since you chose the corpus of texts of platonov’s military prose, why? platonov has always been one of my favorite writers, i have such a somewhat strange set of favorite writers. writers, because on the one hand i have bunin, on the other hand on the other hand, platonov, who worked

at approximately the same time, but completely, let’s say, in divergent directions, yes, but you need to understand both of them in order, again, as i say, to know what russian, russian literature, yes, platonov is ideological, but his ideology, it is very natural, when he writes about ideology, you believe him, well... from so many films, texts, associations, some kind of parades, that it is very

difficult to perceive this topic freshly, but when i read plato’s, specifically about the war, my heart was just breaking, that is , it’s such an unexpected move to the heart, it’s so truly alive, sincere, that it’s as if you ’re perceiving it all for the first time, and you feel the pain and passions of all that period. all the problems , and it was hard for me, that is, it was very , you know, close to the heart, very close to the nerves, yes, this is very scary prose, in places it is, well, completely too heavy for the human psyche, for example, in his story spiritual people, this is the gradual death of the red navy, well, yes, there people sacrifice themselves blow themselves up with a grenade to explode.

negative everyday life or suffering and tragedies, behind all this there is some uplifting principle and... but again it is very very natural in it, yes, this is terrible prose, but it is very important, it, it reveals the soul, but i would say it is unexpected, so i want to share this, that is, i really want people to read this, this is such an unexpected look at the great patriotic war, in some of his stories he correctly reflects the history of the first years, the first years great patriotic war, which is essentially when we lose. 2 years of war

, years of despair, years of defeats, years of a huge foggy future, let’s just say, yes, yes, our victory was completely, completely not predetermined, during these years the main thing was done, this army of conquerors of europe, which came... in russia , who thought that another easy victory awaited her here, too, in the first two years of the war she was almost completely destroyed, and we died in the thousands. millions, but this army of conquerors of europe in the first 2 years with the help of, well, heroism , exploits, self-sacrifice, we crushed this army in 2 years, we destroyed it, this is the secret of the victories of the subsequent red army, because then in front of us the burghers were already hastily gathered, there were some kind of mobilization

those who no longer had that experience of victory came. the feeling of the victors, they all fell into the ground, as platonov writes, they fertilized the earth, they became black soil, there is an excellent story, in the body of these texts, an inanimate enemy, it just turns out there, that a russian soldier and a german soldier ended up underground after the explosion, here they are lying next to each other, both a little stunned and shell-shocked and trying to fight hand-to-hand...

funny, but at the same time these are really sincere questions, and he turns out to be asking this german soldier : why did you come, what do you want, what do you believe in, and this german soldier answers him that this is what the fuhrer said, i am acting, there, if the fuhrer said this, it cannot be untrue, that is, he shows himself a little like a zombie, yes, and a russian soldier to him says, well, if you yourself don’t know what you are doing, but just listen to the fuhrer, then how can you believe in what you are doing, well... he tells you to live then, why do you need it then, that is, this is in general they have a philosophical conversation, yes, it’s a very philosophical, very ideological conversation, but the ideology is given there in such a way that you don’t have any objections. platonov is very clear: we stand for life, yeah, we stand for life, for our land, for our homeland, in another story it seems he also says that well, he says, well

it’s okay if we die, nothing like that, yes, new people will be born, no worse than us. the main thing is that the homeland remains, the place that gives birth to new people, and it shows, yes, that we are not the same, we are not we are not equal, we fight on the side, on the side of the light, we fight on the side of good, speaks for us , yes, this is a communist ideology, which for platonov was an unconditional faith, that is, we are fighting not only platonov was actually ardent about communism, not only for his own good, for the good of all humanity, he shows these nazis , these are just really zombified people , they followed their tyrant, they submitted to the will of their tyrant, they really don’t know why they came here, they don’t really know why they kill and die, so in this story by platonov shows that there was a deep, ideological background, and it’s not just like, well, the russians are against the germans, it’s

good versus evil, was platonov already a military correspondent in the war? he knows this texture very well, the material and text are quite dense, you you understand that he knows life very well, and warriors, and do you think that this knowledge was difficult for him, which later became these stories, well, this was not the first time platonov took up arms, he had already fought a civil war, he had never did not shy away from military affairs, for him it was one of the professions, one of the things, again working with...

this is already a huge risk, yes, because well, you are behind enemy lines in a partisan detachment, he was even in a partisan detachment, on at the front, he was constantly on the front line, the then military correspondents, they didn’t wear this, no, they didn’t have that blue bulletproof vest with the inscription like press that you can’t shoot at us, he was in uniform, he was an officer, and he ended the war as a major, a major, that is, he fought and he fought in that.

all the firing points, as i understand it, they change all the time and the officers cannot understand how this is happening, a long-term firing point, well, when the officer

begins to read information about this city, he understands that the foundation of the house cannot be larger than the house itself, so it is apparently in the width, the volume of these storage facilities there, cheeses... butter, that is, it was some kind of city in which cheese and butter were made, so in these underground labyrinths, these products were stored, yes, and when the officer tries all this plan to understand, you can feel the engineering acumen behind this, that is , it becomes clear that this is being thought by a person who understands very well how buildings are built, how they generally work, as you put it, right?

they kill, naturally, one of his heroes comes under fire, he is thrown there by an explosion, but not he dies, this is from his personal biography too, yes, he came under fire, he was thrown back, hit a tree with his head, then he had headaches that he had never had before, yes, he wrote to his wife about it, he writes to his wife about this, that it’s not so easy to kill me, i need a direct hit in the head to kill me, and he writes in approximately the same words... this podcast is a must- read, yana batnikova, we are talking about the war stories of andrei platonov with

the writer german sadulayev. platonov was always in the thick of life when it began war, well, where is the life of the people, he is always at the forefront, yes, he went there, where the life of the people is. herman, but at the same time, i also understand that platonov is an absolutely brilliant writer, he is such a person. and could do something else, i don’t know, it seems to me that usually, if a person is so gifted in literature, then he should sit and write and do nothing else, well, this is not plato’s situation, because in order to write he needed to do something, he needed to do everything, everything in general, that’s what it’s all about now there was a meaning to existence, and let's list it, he was an engineer, he was a philosopher, he participated in this philosophical circle, lifshits lukacs, he was a wonderful writer, of course, a screenwriter, he was a journalist, he was in all areas.

he he expressed himself to the fullest, he lived to the fullest, he even received medals when he worked as an engineer, he was truly recognized as a useful member of society, he was useful, certainly, he was a useful member of society, he was not an armchair thinker , and this too what’s fascinating about platonov is his such power and breadth of spirit, while he looks very childish, sometimes he has a lot of stories about children, that is, when we see through the eyes of a child. walking around and in stories there is a cow or an old iron woman, it is clear that he has this look, it is very pure, that is, he could look, let’s say, from a child at the world, and his most probably unique quality is plato’s that he, well , besides, of course, the literary talent of his fantastic style, has this pity for people, this sympathy, that is when you perceive someone else's pain as your own

, it enriches russian literature, it grows from it, and it continues to grow, further, further, into the future it grows, so it is impossible to understand where platonov begins and where he ends, and gorky said his beginning very well , gorky immediately realized that he grew out of gogol, here is some fantastic speech, here is some deep psychology, it all comes from gogol, gogol also

sprouted. russian literature, and he gave us, on the one hand, so he gave us platonov, yes, on the other hand, he gave us bulgakov , who also grew out of gogol, which means he grew up like that, and platonov, he also grew into modern literature, and partly his special relationship with language was taken by venedikt erofeev, i think, egor letov also accepted you because he is here. this is platonov ’s quality that when you read it, it’s as if this russian matrix of yours wakes up in you, yes, that is, this structure of speech, it’s unusual, but at the same time it reminds me of either a prayer or a conspiracy , or folk surrealism , letov also has this, that is, not everyone understands art, plato, not everyone understands the art of yegor letov, this is an obligatory property, it seems to me, of a russian person,

that is, something... is these authors are very popular, they work through the structure of speech, do you agree? yes, his structure of speech is, as it were , his unique contribution to russian literature, his structure of speech, for which he was criticized in soviet times too, and stalin wrote tarabarsky, about his story however, yes, it is a gibberish language, but this language is very enigmatic, that is, it is mysterious, it approaches the sacred language of the sacred scriptures. which are always a little indistinct , which yes you understand, rather not on a discursive level, but somewhere intuitively, then he specifically uses some techniques of sacred and folk literature, in the same story about a labyrinth, a storm of a labyrinth, an assault on a labyrinth, yes, that’s it there he plays out the so-called number riddles, which are very well

known from folklore, he has... there is a soldier answers the question, answers about the numbers , yes, what is three and he answers three, it’s like a method , like the commander’s plan, yes, this is this , this is a battle, he says there’s like reconnaissance, planning and execution, a4 says that a4 is an adjustment to the enemy’s opposition , which, that is, he finds a match a what is 41? he could describe any number.

and also a connection with the people at some kind of spiritual level, at the level of interest and focus of attention, because he pays a lot to people inside. it is important what place he occupies in society, but plato will find this interesting some kind of view of the world, and some unusual sensations. platonov was very closely connected with the people, all his life, his father worked with

steam locomotives, this shows his love for steam locomotives, which came from childhood, he worked himself from an early age, and he was always with people, with nations, then in the war he too... was with the soldiers, but of course, we must separately say about his denial of selfishness, of individualism, because yes, the denial of individualism is important, yes, he directly writes in one of the stories that a person alone cannot find the meaning and purpose of his life, only as a part of something larger, the whole people, well, as you say, it’s not scary to die, because new people will be born in our place, the main thing is to complete this work,

platonov also writes about this that a person is like a loner, he is doomed to melancholy, but everyone wants to get out, platonov writes about this from his courtyard, from his coffin, he wants to get out and wants to join something great, one of his characters also says so, before how we lived, how we used to live each one by one, this is in his vezbenka in the kazimat.

is building this power plant, there is also something philosophical in this, in the fact that everyone is ready to repeat this work of several years, to build it again, this episode, it is also connected with the biography of platonov, he was also involved in electrification, one of his power plants was burned and this is what i wanted to say about this psychological life hack, you said, yes, what you need, when all this is falling on you, you need to look, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

naturally, platonova was blocked everywhere, but a few years later, at some meeting of writers, stalin asked: “is platonov here?” yes, he remembered him and i think that not without his participation at the front he was from the rank and file of the military commissariat. went to the camp, went to the camp

, returned sick, sholokhov eventually took care of him and the child returned 2 years later, but already sick with tuberculosis and unfortunately died, but he died and platonov himself also died from tuberculosis and his last years were difficult , that is , not to say that his life was caressing, constant need, blows, slander, the death of his son, then war, this...

platonov writes that this flower, which is grown from this poor soil, is like a person who transforms evil into good within himself, this is also something buddhist, platonov has a very optimistic philosophical concept, he often speaks, again directly, about the substance of life or living matter.

this example of marriage and these relationships, it

probably inspires herman, that this is the right example, a writer’s wife, or what do you say to that? yes, it is very difficult when two equal creative forces come together in a union. personalities, like, say, gumilyov and akhmatova. in fact, one must serve the other, one must understand that he is not a star. that he is here to help, in principle, it is better for a creative person to have a good, caring, well, what do you think, loving person nearby, maybe yes, that is, in the end yes, in the end his wife maria, she was his secretary, she became his custodian of his legacy, and in the writing community we joke that a writer’s wife should... prepare to become the widow of the writer, that is

, this is her main role in fact, this is her main role, her goal in life, she will become a widow, the widow of the writer, she will collect his letters, writings, publish after his death, edit, but this is her status, and maria, it is possible that in this sense, yes, in this sense , his life was successful, but from his works we see that... yes, such stories are very triggering, yes, triggering and it is clear that it went through his soul, how, how it went and how it was we find out, we can only perceive this through literature, but the man always forgives in these stories, pay attention, he forgives, yes, here again he also shows that, firstly, a woman is an

unfaithful creature, but that’s how you see it, yes, but not by its evil nature, due to some... weakness, vulnerability, due to the fact that, well, due to the fact that a woman is also a person, yes, the burdens of life, because life is generally hard work, well, yes, it is doubly difficult for a woman, because she is raising children, yes, she also has to take care of others, so he, that is, here he is not only a hero, that is, here , as if platonov, he forgives the woman in advance, because well, he generally forgives all people, except not.

somehow to new feelings, this is also all understandable, this is also all very human, but his stories are like the return, they are a little different, for me, they are a little different than the innermost person, than the labyrinth, the storming of the labyrinth , and

plato’s innermost man, what is he like, what, this is this character, yes, which runs through all of plato’s work, this is the innermost man to plato. here he is, here he is hidden , here he is because he is hidden because you can’t squeeze him into a template, but i would probably say that he is incomprehensible from an individualistic point of view, how he can cut sausage on the coffin of his wife, it is incomprehensible if we let's look at a person, just from the point of view of his individuality, his destiny, that is , plato is an anti-individualist, his innermost person, he is very connected with... on the surface, and the root system is deep, deep underground, and you are nothing about him

you won’t understand if you only look at the sprout, you don’t understand what and how it lives, you don’t understand why and where it grows. if you don’t take into account this root system of his, yes, german, it was a very interesting conversation, thank you very much, thank you very much, this was a must- read podcast, i am oglabatnikova, the writer german sudulaev was my guest, we talked about the prose of andrei platonov, even more stories about writers and their books on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru. hello, i am pilot cosmonaut anton shkaplerov, this is a space history podcast, today my guest is darya chudnaya, deputy general director of a private russian space company.