well, these matches could teach our league, denis , you can remember the times of the soviet union, when in such situations i also took to the field, like many of our guys, yes, and we played in such conditions, then everything was different, but we came out they played, no one complained, although it was cold, and not to mention the condition of the lawn, yes, when there was no grass there, nothing, yes, if we start to remember, from what you listed, from that, what you listed, four games, i think you said, yes, the only game, which i would... but in my opinion , it would be canceled by baltika spartak, yeah, because there really was so much snow there that the ball was still not red, in my opinion, but it’s actually surprising there, yes , there were football players in white uniforms there well, it was impossible to watch, by the way, i didn’t watch it for a bit , because it wasn’t clear what was there , so i didn’t understand why it wasn’t cancelled, but it could have been cancelled, other games, well, i watched cska vs rostov in moscow, it’s normal, yes. maybe it was for

them, but pay attention that whenever someone starts to complain, it’s usually the team that loses, well listen, here i’ll come to karpin’s defense, yes, he said before the match that in such conditions it would be impossible to play football, it’s not about the result at all, yes, but if rostov hadn’t lost or won, believe me, these conversations wouldn’t have happened, but the conversations would have been about another game, which you called another game, and there was also voronezh, yes , i was in voronezh, yes, well, i won the torch, nothing, everything is fine.

moments i say, well, who knows that this snowfall is going to fall, no one knows, we are not like him, not a hydra center, so who knows that it will snow or not, but that game could have been canceled because that it turns out, as i later found out, it ’s the judge who decides and or the judges, yes, who come, they arrive there 2 hours in advance, you could have come, gathered the team leaders one second and said let’s play, no, that’s it, what’s in the regulations? not registered, as it turns out, but only the temperature is registered, which is below -15 temperature is not possible, you know how they measure it there. even well, well, sometimes they measured it normally, remember how they measured the temperature in ufa, once there was a story with an artificial field, well, in the end, you know that it’s clear that these points will be counted here in the spring, you never know cska won’t have enough of these points, for example, well, i’m speaking relatively speaking, yes, or spartak won’t count up their points, that is, here in the end it will be, but please tell me, right after these matches, there was talk again about the return of the system, but spring-autumn, you see does this make sense to you, doesn't it? conversations, here in...

is there a difference for you between spring, winter, summer, autumn, no one will answer, no one, because plain doesn’t know, they don’t understand whether it’s spring, autumn or winter, it’s summer there, well in the system, so what the difference

, and what will we do there, all football is in europe, yes, well, well, i mean the real one, the real one, of course, that’s it, you’ll go there, yes, the second question, i also made the same argument , wait, well, if you go there, you won’t come back, you can’t leave, and after 2 years everything suddenly returned to normal, and we returned, they’ll tell you, how is it, you can’t go back and forth like that, so the other teams will then look at it and say, and we will do the same, this is the second, yes, the third, well, that’s logical, and you’ll go there. and others will say, why did you come here, they , too, will not open up to us, they will not raise their legs, arms, but they will say: oh, thank god, russia has come, what many teams will say, wow, why are you here , why are you needed here, yes, that’s why you ’re watching the last match of the national team now, remind you, you see what the situation is, did i watch, with i didn’t watch it with cuba, i didn’t watch it with cuba, you know, i can tell you a funny story about cuba, how funny it was, because just recently, maybe. ago we

went to a city not far from moscow, yes, and it so happened that i went with oleg ivanovich romantsev, yes, so the interesting thing is that we were traveling by train and got on the train, we started well... hurray, that's it great, we sat down , everything, the atmosphere was good, we started right away, well , to talk about football, of course, whoever watched it, didn’t watch it, about cuba or about fishing there is one of two, yes, and it was just after the game on kubo, yes, and there i say, yes, i didn’t look, ivan says, yes , i didn’t really look either, and then he sits there and says, well - you know, somehow the conversation turned to the point that we were playing with cuba, we didn’t play, there, i say, well, against this cuba i’m saying, i could have done higher, you know, we have such a joke, we could have come out and scored too somewhere there is the ninth tenth ball, and he says: he says: do you know that we played against cuba? he tells me, i tell him who you? he says: well, this is his generation , i say, oh well, it can’t be, i thought that no one knew, because i wasn’t the only one going, there were other guys going, i say, it can’t not not , well, when you could against cube, i don’t think i played cube at all, if

they are now in some rating there are 100, 180 and out of 200 there, then when you played, he says, no, they played, and the funniest thing was that i actually wanted to leave the compartment, he said, what about you? well, i think they are needed, another thing is that i was opposed to that, i always said that what

it was at first, yes, when there was an expanded list, they called 50, 40 people, i was against it, because i didn’t understand whether they were needed, why they were needed, to come say that he was a national team player, like that too... you can’t, you have a game with kyrgyzstan , you called 20 people, that’s it, they played, they all left, without noise, without pathos, without the fact that you are against the expanded list, but not against the match, well, of course, of course , against the match no, of course, you need to play, in any case you have to play, because there are these dates yes for players, they play for national teams in europe and what are you going to do, you won’t just sit, you also played, if there is an opponent, they played, why not, but why are you refusing karpin to test all the players now, as many of them as possible check something, but what to do, understand that there are no official matches, why are you... calling up those you know well, maybe, well, look at those you have no idea at all, who and how you are you can’t imagine, denis, we don’t have so many of them, not so many in our championship are football players day of the game they show, you can watch the game 100 times, i don’t know ural with someone, that’s right, you show him 10 times in one case he’s in urals, and another thing you

work with him, well that’s right, you once called, but why call 40 for the next training camp, you know, i was in this, well, we went through all this, okay, why did you go to study to become a coach, as they say, everyone went? i could not have done this, i could not have done this, well, you know, to be honest, in recent years, especially the only question, it is probably one of the most popular, yes, when, when, alexander, when will you lead some team, yeah, that’s why i say, well, i can’t lead it, because i don’t have this piece of paper. so i decided, i decided to go, why not , that is, you see yourself as a coach, well, on the coaching staff, yeah, in some kind, well, like me, but i don’t see you on the coaching staff, i see you as the head coach, well as a coaching staff, why are you sitting second or third, well, many sit, many, well, many sit, many sit, and even more so in today’s time

dan, you can sit - not not first, second, third, you can sit seventh, eighth, ninth, yes, let's look at the coaching staff in st. petersburg, for example, yes, yes, or in spartak, look, in my favorite spartak there is enough. beskov was on the podium with two people, and one was sitting downstairs, now he’s jumping around like his obascal, yes , there are about 15 other people with him, probably, i’m thinking, who are they, and not football players, yes, we’ll come back to spartak again, let’s talk about training, how it happens, you come, sit on the first desk, that’s what it is, no, we we come, we have a good, good composition, composition. i can say about football, yes, there is a good composition there, in my opinion, there are 20 of us, yes, plus or minus, i don’t know , all the players are former and star football players , the group , yes, our group, well, i’m the oldest, the oldest, because i had a history already with admission, yes, well this is about 12 years ago, i already enrolled, well, then i just

physically couldn’t come back, there was a rumor that you quit studying then, because the class itself started early, you said something, i won’t come, no, i quit, i didn’t let alone quit i didn’t because first of all i couldn’t leave spain, yes, this was back in those days, i’m from spain, when i arrived, i entered, and then i couldn’t, it’s just that when they told me that i needed it almost there i can’t come every month, i say, no, i can’t. i can’t do that, i couldn’t do it all , but here i am now, so we come, sit down and sit, thank you, and sit, yes, and sit, exchange opinions, talk, watch, we also have such a big, beautiful screen , yes, we watch some matches, we watch some moments, we watch, well, well, fun, interesting, again, getting back to what, after all, all the guys play football, so this, plus, everyone played at a good level, many played in the national team, such a wonderful atmosphere, yes, that’s what, that helps, yes , what helps, and what

can you teach? well, in football there is definitely nothing, nothing, just like many guys, what can be taught there to yura zhirkova, sashka samedov, yes, romka shirokiy, or arshavin, dinisov, yes, but they also went through all this, it is clear that the level is everyone had different football, yes, someone higher, some lower, some studied, but still very tall, well, of course, of course, you had a very powerful expression about the internship in orenburg, could you? learn a lot by working with me, the head coach of orenburg, it was said seriously, yes, seriously, it was serious, yes, because when they called me they said that there was a rumor that orenburg wanted to invite you for an internship, well, i immediately , i found out, well , i didn’t find out, i knew that the coach there was spanish, yes, i don’t know who it is, it’s true, but i know that it is spaniard, that's why i say, of course, he can learn a lot, of course, wow, i have so much experience in football. that degrasi doesn’t have it, so in the end they called you to orenburg? no, in the end no

, but what in general, because no , this is the situation with the internship, look, uh, you don’t have to do it in some team in the premier league, you can do it in the second , in the first, so i i choose or will choose what is more convenient for me, first of all, it is more convenient in terms of location, there is also an interesting story about internship, evgeniy koleshin, who not long ago worked in football, remember how great he worked in akron, yes. he constantly talked about this topic, by the way, it’s very cool that he did this, because by the way, you can see from the torpedo that

nizhny novgorod plays like a torpedo, and there are just a lot of these football moments, there are one or two touches, so he always liked it, of the hockey coaches, who would you go to, well, definitely igor, definitely, yes, because we have known each other for a long time, we played hockey, we played football, by the way, he by the way, he plays football very well, well, spartak, alexey, especially now ilya kovalchuk is there. how do you evaluate the season about baskal in spartak, well, now the season has ended , well, this season has ended, and one of the main questions is, yes, a breakthrough, a failure , uh, many call it a failure, yes, i say, no, there is no failure for spartak, spartak is in fifth place, uh, based on the results, i think spartak will be in the top three, although it’s also controversial, yes, because now many are saying who will be... in the top three, yes - that’s why i’m with spartak, just like he said, spartak to everyone that surrounds spartak

, he should definitely be in the top three, it’s just that here and baskal, not but baskal, even if morena is there, someone else is there, pepe, pedro, i don’t care, yes, they should be there , well, spartak, well, yeah, so the fact that they are not there, yes, very often in this top three and medalists, so this is the problem of the fact that not all football people are surrounded there, in the coaching staff. well, in general , do you think it’s interconnected there? well, i think it’s somehow connected, you know, also it’s harder to say, because after all, i’m going to spartak, well, you look, i understand, but then you look at how baskal chooses the starting lineup, how he changed it constantly, and then, it never happened, and it never happened the same lineup for two games in a row , this is unambiguous, i spoke about this and many said yes, well, when you have a choice of 25 people, of course it confuses him, it scares him, because this is... that one, that’s why no , stability is the most one of the most important parts, yes the team, any, yes, look,

if you take some good team, but there are one, two substitutions, three, maximum, yes, if there is an injury, if somewhere something like, well, not six or seven, but with her this happens all the time , yes , another thing is that he has a simple answer to this question, when he has a bench, yes, a spare, as i say, a simple example, yes, here i am sitting, for example, on the bench, i have 11 playing, yes, then i look at the reserves, the trees and sticks, i think who to let out, and i don’t know, but he, yeah, let’s do this, let’s do that, let’s do that, let’s do that, because there is a choice, you know, so spartak is at the top, if he had no choice, i’m saying, a simple example, you got wet, put everything in the urals now and...

spartak will be in the top three, what do you think, i said this before the start of the season, spartak should be in three, yeah, yes, but i have to, i don’t see an advantage, for example, dynamo has over spartak, i don’t see lokomotiv have an advantage over. spartak, well , if i were in spartak, we would probably be in the top three for sure, you are there for the champion, you are being modest, for the championship, the situation is like this, we are not claiming first place yet, you see prerequisites for the fact that the champion will change in russia, well, i saw these preconditions even after the first two or three rounds, when i said that this year it’s clear that the intrigue begins and we are already there in the winter break or

there for 6-7 rounds let's not say that zenit will be the champion, in principle this is all happening, another thing is that... spartak can impose a fight, maybe krasnodar, well, maybe, well, i say, it will be very important for me, not only for me, for all of us and those who play football will have these first games, first games, because well, imagine that spartak is starting to play in st. petersburg, and spartak beats zenit, well, i can’t believe it , but now, why can’t it, yes, suddenly it beats, and that zenid

has already shown this year that they can calmly beat, it’s true, with your defeats and searches. of course, of course, that’s why suddenly, that’s why i’m saying, the first two rounds will be very decisive, what do you think about the situation with refereeing, is it a crisis in our country, or is there a lot of talk that just can’t be distract yourself and just follow the game? and this and that, and that and another, well, in particular, of course , there is a lot of talk, you remember, but in the last, well, let’s take the last 3 years, but we won’t go far, but already in the refereeing leadership there have been three or four changes, in my opinion people, foreigners are coming, now milorat mazhich and someone else. before that, we remember how vengor was, yes, he came, yes, now there is a way to help them, yes , it seems like such a strange thing, that’s right, well, it’s to help them, yes, so that people in general, they could just sit and draw a line for you, and i don’t know, and increase the size of your ear, they enlarged it like that, it became like this, yes, the leg became like that there in forty-one, it became forty-seven, yes,

that’s all for you they do, you still are not mistaken , but it comes back again, that football is such a game, the human factor will still always be in the first place, it will always be... because in detail or there are these nuances, what is the problem of refereeing? i always said, if you looked like that, yes, i said, refereeing is that 90 there 5% they have not played football, it is difficult for them to recognize these nuances on which many game situations depend , when i am running, for example, after you, that’s right, i even pinched you once, that’s right, i pinched you, but i i’ll see it, the judge won’t see it, you know, and this will play a role, because i pinched you, yes, i looked at the finger, and he’s there somewhere else, somewhere else, somewhere a leg, somewhere- then... a hand, you know, so this is a difficult situation, by the way, we had several cases, now in our training, one day a judge came to us, a judge i just started talking about var, well, this is part, part of our training there, yes, what about var, he he after 10 minutes he wanted to leave, they just didn’t let him, because he needed to be there for 3 hours, you know, but he

wanted to leave, he realized that here he would simply not be able to answer a single football question, because when we... told him, but there shouldn’t be a penalty here, there shouldn’t be a violation here, he still said, that yes, we are all football players to him, 20 people say that this is impossible, here there is no red card, because he says how he stepped, i say, no, he didn’t, he ’s here, look, this, they don’t know these nuances, well, when you played, everyone knows perfectly well, you had a nickname the king in spain, it was beautiful, who would you call the king in russian football now? not, probably, no one, not even close, wait , well, yes, still... a little, well, you’re not playing now, but at least a little, while you remember, i just recently came out, yes it was beautiful, yes it was very beautiful in a robe in the crown, come on three best football players. look now , who plays in the russian championship , in the russian, well, i understand that you call golovin immediately, well, yes, yes, but come on from those who we see here regularly, in terms of potential, yes he is, well, i think that you

you already understand, yes, although i’ve been talking about this for about two years, the first time i saw it, in terms of potential , i think that penyaev, yeah, this is the football player who really has enormous potential and i think that this is the guy he we already have one of the main players not only locomotive, but the national team yes, but i think that he is the one who can... he really has natural data, it is nature, it has awarded him these qualities that he should just use them correctly, and i think that he can to use them, it’s good that miranchuk started playing, brother, yes, brother, it’s good, because at the beginning you remember, in lokomotiv he didn’t play there in reserve, what they released, they let him in, he definitely should go there, there are a lot of guys, i always said that we have a lot, yes, when someone said that we don’t have or don’t have football country, there were such expressions, but there or someone said, but we don’t have them, no, we have a lot of them, it’s just that what’s stopping them from opening up or who?

spain and this is exactly one on one, but

it’s ninety-six, ninety-seven, it’s just like mine, my sasha, sasha, my son, who also played football, but it happened, fate worked out, so he i didn’t continue any further, so at the first stage there were a lot of questions, now there are fewer, now half of them, i think, know this no matter what. relationship neither andrey doesn’t have anything to do with alexander, our podcast is called football not hockey, yeah, why is football not hockey, mm, well, the fact is that football is a game with legs, and, by the way, probably many people don’t know that this is probably the only game in in the world, when they play with their feet, yes , the rest are always either arms or other parts of the body, so in this football is not hockey, from a psychological point of view you can compare these two sports, you can compare, but there is a lot here in general, you said that hockey is easier to play.

years, made a good 18 years, i say, no maybe this is how to start a career , you know, yes, i turned around and went to the ropes, thank you very much for the time, we had alexander mostovoy, this is a football podcast, not hockey, on the first one, my name is denis kazansky, see you soon. hello, i'm dmitry bak, and here is a literary podcast under a romantic name, let them not talk, let them read. we

talk about literature, we talk about books, we talk about writers, but this year we celebrate the anniversary of arkady petrovich gaidar, so today we are talking about arkady gaidar, and today we are talking with wonderful interlocutors, this is the head of the library of the moscow library, which bears the name of arkady gaidar, tatyana valerievna rudishina. hello, tatyana valerievna, and the head of the house of the gaidar museum in the city of klin, moscow region. for some reason it came to mind - honesty, you know, that’s the first word to me: honesty, decency, loyalty to one’s work , and what is the most important thing for you in gaidar? you are the understanding of a child. it seems to me that the most important thing about arkady petrovich is that he always

remained human. despite the fact that he had a lot of trials in childhood, the first world war, in his youth, the civil war, in adulthood, the great patriotic war, he always remained a man who was true to himself, to his ideal and never to himself cheated, here - mandelstam said a little later, after gaidar had already become a writer, that in the first half of the 20th century, in the first third even. 20th century people were knocked out of their biographies like balls from billiard pockets, this is a very capacious image, well, that is, we don’t know who gorky would have been, who babel was, who pasternak would have been if not for the revolution and not the first world war, that is , this is a time when all the cards were mixed up, but even against this background, gaidar has

a completely unique biography. i was amazed when this still just a child, a child in the fourteenth year, accordingly he is 10 years old, 10 years old, he writes to his father, his father went to the front, and he writes a letter in which he asks in detail and asks very professional questions related to military affairs, it was not in the fourteenth, i just want to quote this letter. i'm just paying attention your attention, how a twelve-year-old boy addresses his father, dear, dear daddy, he loves his father, with all his heart, please write to me, answers to questions, the first thing soldiers think about the war, writes arkady, is it true that they say that to attack they will only do so if they put the bottomless bourgeoisie on the front line, well , look, i see a paradox in this letter, dear daddy, on the other hand, as if you would teach me how to be a military man, daddy won’t

teach me. a person became a writer, if we talk about that starts from childhood, from childhood he has a very good school in arzamas, where he has an excellent, probably most beloved teacher, a literature teacher, let's call the city arzamas again, because the city of arzamas, the city of gaidar, he was not born in this city, but this is his city, he is a man of the world, he has lived everywhere, worked everywhere, in the urals,

in the far east, and of course. in wedge timur wrote there to his team, and he was happy, the most important thing is that he was in wedge, he was happy, i believe that it was his mother, natalya arkadyevna salkova, nee, pushed her son to write, he is still a golik at this time, for the first time in the twenty-fifth year it will be said, let’s say this also obvious fact that arkady petrovich kolikov became the writer arkady gaidar, communicating with his mother, who at that time... . is very sick and lives in crimea. arkady hears these words as parting words that son, everything you tell about the war is very interesting. i think that there will be people who will want to know where, how our history began, how wonderful it is, it happens, first they tell the children something, yes, then it turns out that it can be written down, it will be interesting not only for your children, for everyone, but here it’s like the opposite of children, yes, initially arkady petrovich will write the story of rvs which is

today. became a surname there, and there are many hypotheses , well, for me, it’s kind of like aida or haida, it’s a slogan, forward, forward, yes, but there are others, well, in soviet times they really liked to say that gaydar is from the mongolian word haidar , what does the rider mean, where is the rider,

jumping ahead or looking ahead, that is, unfortunately, the mongols do not have such a word in the language, mongolian students who speak this told me, this is a hypothesis, which is a legend, too much.

this is zhitkov, this is biankidkov bianki, this is the lion kasil, well, kharms, and vedensky, and kharms and vedensky, well, that is , we named very different names, here is gaidar, it seems to me that he is here, he is special, he is special, here me or a boat, yes, yes, yes, for him his reader, yeah, seems like a child, but he and this reader are completely equal and serious talks like an adult, yes.

several times completely different readers told approximately the same story, how in the summer at the dacha they accidentally found old collected

works of gaidar in a closet or attic, most often from the year 1956, well, apparently the family seemed to have become overstuffed in the closet, so throw it away somehow this is not at all intelligent and these children are also impossible. they found it, started reading and couldn’t put it down, then when i asked these children, what did you like, and the answers were absolutely different, i just remember this little one very well... i read and comment on some poem, or a quote from prose, or show an old

book from my library, it is not a museum, not a state book, but just my book, one of those thousands of volumes , i have 30,000, as i used to count, which are on my shelf, today there is a strange book, but i think that the one that goes, leading to our conversation, is the first congress of soviet writers , a shorthand report, this is... 1934, we we know that the first congress took place in the second half of august thirty-four, and this book is already quite old, it is almost 100 years old, it just records how everything was, this is not a retelling of what happened, this is just a countdown, it’s very difficult for us to imagine this now, by the way, we we understand very well that we are celebrating a kind of anniversary, 90 years of creating our own recorders.

one of the researchers talks about the nationalization of literature, well, it’s an awkward word, but the writers’ union is, well, such a ministry of literature, and where they trained young people, where they published mature ones, where they creativity, it’s not just that bulgakov made fun of master margarita, yeah. massolit called the writers' union, as

we remember, yes, the griboedov house, in fact the hertzin house, he mentions there, this is not only a struggle for privileges, tasks, vouchers, and so on, but this is a special attitude of the state to literature, there is nothing here that you can cross out and there is nothing that can be put on a pedestal, this is a very complex matter, not by chance, as can be seen from recent studies. osip mandalshtam, who died, was driven to death by the regime, was very closely related to to what was happening, because it was clear that the state attached such importance to literature. at this congress , an official definition of the creative method of soviet literature was adopted. socialist realism is a truthfully and historically specific depiction of reality in its revolutionary development. you can't go either right or left. well, let's get back to talking about

the wonderful writer arkady petrovich gaidar. arkady petrovich gaidar, how did he fit into this system ? there is no direct glorification of the soviet regime, neither is there, nor is there, because for him the main thing is not that in his works, the main thing in his works, in my opinion. the fact that we must love our homeland, whatever it may be, this is our homeland. gaidar would have answered this question with his own, his final phrase from chuka and gek, chuka-gek, another great one, not everyone, by the way, knows what these names mean, these are household names, chuka-gek, in fact, what are they? namely vova and seryozha, vova and seryozha, what happiness is, everyone. understood in their own way, but all together people knew and understood

that they had to live honestly, work hard , love hard and take care of this huge happy land, which is called the soviet country , 1939, by the way, these are the endings in gaidar’s various works, this is who- then he will say straight to the forehead, these are such cadences, yes, you understand, they are beautiful.

the wheel turns without any dictate, without violence, everyone is united by one thing, but this web reaches out to someone and we understand that everything works, by the way, many people, when they come to the museum, say, these are your favorites work, i always say conscience, many people say what kind of work it is, why, but in fact the work is very short, literally half a page,

but i think that in this story, it’s not even a story, it’s just that, i also wondered what to call it? suddenly i came across a first-grader, she , a fourth-grader, decided to say, why are you playing truant, and he, this cute one, hid his breakfast, went to catch a butterfly , the boy said, no, there’s a dog, i’m afraid, she understands that she’s starting to him talk about some kind of conscience, although she herself acts ugly, she herself plays truant, she herself

plays truant, and in the end, look, there is no morality, she sat down and began to cry, because her heart was tormented by her conscience, uh-huh. but i would like to say that today we are talking about growing. that arkady petrovich is a children's writer, a children's writer, but arkady petrovich himself, he said that someday there will be people who will say that there were such writers who were called children's writers only out of cunning, in fact actually raised the red banner red army, so i want to say that it is still not only for children, arkady petrovich will be

both death and gaidar, who came up with the whole story with timur and understands what the fact that this very children's movement is starting, leadership and so on, can result in further and so on, how it can easily be made, well, let’s say , bureaucratic and formal, he warns, there is mishka kvakin, remember. just in timur’s oath, this moment is shown there, the guys have grown up, several years have passed, since timur’s moment, they have grown up, the war begins, stay in the rear help, well, everyone has their place.