i do this, but how will it be useful later in my big plan? that is, you are already rationalizing this aspiration of yours, this dream of yours, and most likely it seems to me that in the second etoration the person will no longer sleep, undoubtedly, you will be less complacent, you will be less illusory, you will be less optimistic, you you will be more collected, you will be more critical of yourself, and of your respective cases, of yours there, that is, this is a very important story, and i emphasize, in any case , there will be no old anastasia, and a new anastasia will be more successful, more effective, stronger, wiser than the one that was, therefore, no matter how your trajectory goes, in fact, the very fact that you are communicating with us today, the very fact that you are asking the right questions, the very fact that you find answers for yourself, it shows that you are on the right path of transformation, it seems to me that these tears are beautiful, these are precisely the tears of the birth of the new anastasia.

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watch our podcast on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru, this podcast is a must-read, i’m aglanabatnikova, arina hollin and i. and as a blogger we will discuss the famous novel by margaret mitchell, gone with the wind and the beloved heroine scarlett hara , who has become a symbol of female independence, a style icon, and, of course, a paradoxical character, whom we will discuss today with arina. arina hello, hello, hello, since you, gone with the wind is a novel about the civil war, north and south in 1861 to 1865. there was this war, here is margaret mitchell,

a seemingly simple housewife , she wrote not a simple one, she also belongs to such a fairly wealthy and southern southern family, well, she worked as a reporter, yes we understand that, but relatively speaking, by the time she wrote the novel, she was leading an ordinary lifestyle such a housewife , she was lying all broken when she wrote this novel, she had something going on, i’ve already forgotten, something happened, she broke everything in herself, so she could work as a reporter, well, in general, at that time, be a woman reporter anyway. her only work in life, she i wrote it for about 10 years, it was published in 1936, it immediately becomes a bestseller, a film is being made based on it in hollywood, and with stars, and it seems to me that this fame did not suddenly fall, she may not have claimed such a role before. great

american writer, but nevertheless, you can still read her book, it’s interesting, and the film is still interesting to watch, you agree with me, it seems hard, there’s still a lot of stuff, you know, outdated, studio filming, you know, now i have the most, it seems to me, us maybe everyone is traumatized by the studio filming, well, probably the main thing in the film is the casting, and there is a pretty accurate casting, it’s vipen lee and clar gable, it seems to me that this is very successful, so to speak. they suit these characters, do you agree? a very, 200% unique option, but why is the novel still interesting to read? well, listen, it doesn’t even matter whether it’s a woman or a man, in general it’s about a person’s life, at a turning point, when a person loses everything, look, she loses both her mother and her father, well, her homeland, i would even she said, because the society in which she grew up is disappearing, society believes, everything is collapsing. that’s it, she doesn’t give up, and it

’s written very vividly, in the sense that you can believe it, that such a heroine seemed to exist and we are told her story, very often... she answered quite sharply that scarlett is a prostitute , but i’m not, that is, she is also

, let’s say, frivolous in relationships with men, and manipulates them consciously, but she is not frivolous, because frivolous is if she just parhala allowed herself to be somehow manipulated. well, he immediately tells her when he first meets her, you are not a lady, so he immediately exposes her, because she pretends to be a lady, but internally she does not correspond to the concept of that time, what a lady is, listen, well, everyone there knew that she not a lady, from the nanny to some of her... girlfriends, yes, relatives, because in general she had a lively disposition, so to speak, but in general it just seems to me, a list of questions for the reader, that’s what you’re talking about thought about it, she’s good, she’s bad, she’s not successful it turned out to be unfortunate, but overall not particularly successful, that as if in the final balance she simply has money, but she is a person

who strives for pleasure, mind you, that is, she had not a material desire all her life, that’s all that her life we ​​know yes she wanted. it seems to me that her love for ashley, it partly, well, symbolizes her craving for something spiritual, because ashley loves literature, music, not like her, he reads books, he always looks somewhere with his dreamy gaze through her, and she likes it, her she is drawn to him, precisely as a person who has some kind of broader inner world, you know, there are so many indications that she does not care about the inner world at all.

she’ll get it, you know, get it, in principle, you know, after they got through to the lower ones, when they came to her, he told her that well, maybe then, well, in short, he still told her that i’ve loved you all my life, well, he seems to- then she’s skidding, he’s not behaving very well , let’s just say, he gives her some advances, gives her hopes, but not strong ones, but in short, it seems to me that... after that she went into a bit of a decline after all, that is, she received something of some kind, but it wasn’t from you, you know such vanity, yes, but it also seems to me that of course there is this paradox, that everyone is in love with her, she has a lot of fans, she possesses impeccable feminine skills, well, let’s just say,

she masters this skill of seduction, even if it is not a complex skill, well, in her performance, but nevertheless, she has absolutely nothing. .. it turns out seshli - you know this is how to win, achieve, well, that is, i haven’t reached this height, i can’t reach it, she continues, maybe this is also part of her, this painful character , you know, by the way, look about the spiritual scarlett, she loves containers, and in fact, she has been devoted to her all her life she loved, fought for her, that’s her love, but it ’s kind of in the sense that this is also a spiritual spiritual image and love for the land, of course there’s something tobilian in this, she’s selling. herself to her husbands in order to save the container, she actually has a very big spiritual thing, some kind of her it must be that she herself may not understand why, but she puts all of herself into this legacy, or what? listen, this is

the dichotomy of these two women, melony and scarlett, this is how you describe them, is this some kind of basic conflict between two female characters? you know, it seems to me that this is mitchell's book. why did she suddenly become so great? yes, by the way, a very cool definition, suddenly great. yes, well, listen, in theory, because it seems to be very similar to the genre of women's novels. well, this is exactly what you know, a little closer to tabloid, yes, but she’s like fi gerald, she describes society, yes, the behavior at the turning point of all these people, not only scarly, scarly, by and large, like a part, of course, she magnetizes, she pulls to herself, but without the characters that were very typical for that time, for this situation, it wouldn’t have worked out this way, but ashley, yes.

type, yes, yes, this is the type, she, you know, by the way, more so, because history shows that women somehow show greater mental elasticity in crisis situations, yes, maybe a man is capable there to really give up his life, i mean some kind of greater elasticity, because ashley tried to give up his life there, that is, his five-tenths yes, but he’s just not in a crisis, it’s precisely on the ruins of life,

society refused to receive captain butler in atlanta even before the south

lost the war, she received him and told everyone directly that i will receive captain badler, because yes, she dared to say this to the face of some matrons who, such a secular choice , no matter, yes, well, listen, she like she’s well-read, she discusses people like that, yes, she’s well-read, look, scarlett, she kind of doesn’t care about this society, when... her ret taught her not to give a damn about this society , gradually she was always like her , listen, she was such a fidgety person and she didn’t care whether she offended her girlfriends, scolded her mother , well, yes, everything just developed for her , that is, when it’s just some kind of secular conventions, it’s one story, when she needs money, she sells syanki, it’s already different when she marries reta, everything’s already there quite in in a sense, melanie also goes against society. with such a challenge, not so pretentious and not like that, it’s like scarlet really doesn’t give a damn, she doesn’t give a damn about them, but

she still, you see, they’re like them, you think that they’re a mirror of each other, well, how -that, of course, is not exactly a mirror, but they are cut from the same cloth, relatively speaking, they just look differently, a very interesting look, by the way , for some reason they turned out to be very different to me , it seemed to me that this was a type of noble woman, melonie, a real lady, but scarlett is like that punk, well, you see, it’s not strong enough. depending on their own opinion, their own moral coordinates, well, everyone has them, even scarlit, it doesn’t matter, they can be different, it’s just that they are somehow similar, well , actually scarlit, although she doesn’t hate soap, not as a rival at all life, she still helps her out, that is, there are these moments that she helps her give birth, well, that is, in general, this is such loyalty in a good way, few people see her at all, she is faithful to the earth. she is generally loyal to her family, loyal to melanie, and it seems to me that this is only because

ashley asked, she has this, you know, who, if not me, she went there for this kind of carrot, in general , she fed her family, did not give yeah, they ’re dying of hunger, but there’s a moment where mitchell describes how scarlett, while managing the estate under pressure, suddenly realizes that she’s no worse than a man. she says to herself: i’m no worse than a man, i can manage the estate, keep the books there, distribute responsibilities among the household members, right? she still has it society, her south, well, this high society , yes, inspired that a woman is weak, stupid, she is more stupid than a man, this is frankly what they say, then suddenly she realizes that she, uh, she can, she is no worse, and this in general , maybe it also somehow turns something around in her mind, do you think this is a feminist

book at its core, well listen, we now live in a time when the word feminism has already become a little something like that a slightly moth-eaten slogan, but are you avoiding it? no, i'm not avoiding him, but yes, of course she is naturally, especially for that time, i think that it was mitchell who laid this out, yes, but you know, there is nothing ostentatious here, because these are all well, the realities of that life are very conventionally invented, you know, when the names are changed, yeah... look , by the way, about being a lady, but there a lot is pointed out about etiquette, interesting things, there a woman should not accept anything except sweets and flowers as a gift, a woman should not be left alone, she should not mention there's your pregnancy, well, that is, in general it's quite funny today today, well, listen about candy and flowers, everything here is of course clear, so in general it seems to me that the topic is more relevant

now, yes, well, as if you are a man, this is interesting and what can you accept from a man as a gift. it seems that you want to accept, if you see some kind of relationship with him, and not like that, oh, here, it means he gave me diamonds, it’s clear that they’re making advances, well , now it’s just the opposite, listen, right now on the contrary, the only thing everyone discusses is exactly who pays for a cup of coffee in coffee, this is very, very popular in such a way that it seems to me that this is just a renaissance in this topic, it is clear that a woman in this sense had a lot of restrictions, well, there were a lot, yes, but scarlett...

there is such a certain approach to for men, that is conditional, if you follow these rules, then they really still work, that is, you can make a choice that i don’t want to follow these rules, yes i won’t, but nevertheless these rules exist and it would be good to know them , well, for example, there she grins first , confesses her love, let’s go, well, no, there’s no need conventionally hanging on a man’s neck to admit, well, because you won’t achieve success in this situation, so you achieved it, well, that’s it, it seems to me that’s it. now, if i hang myself on the neck of a person who is not mine, well , they will cover me, like with carly tseshlin, only they usually cover me for 2 days, in such situations, well, in the sense that if i understand that something it doesn’t work out, goodbye, well

, that means this is not my person, this can manifest itself, you know, in some even everyday little things, in glances, i don’t know, at the blown away wind. yeah, but because if you there is reciprocity, and you were the first to say it, and the person is in the same mood for you , he just didn’t have time, then everything will be fine with you, listen, well, if you want, no, not you, well, who are you, yes, if you specifically want to, you just deliberately go into such a patriarchal-abusive way of life, where a woman should be quiet, submissive, obey, it’s not clear what to get in return for this, because already in modern society it’s really not clear what it used to be like -this is a public , unspoken agreement that you have for this, now no, you can get anything for it , you can get gratitude for it, the money is there, i don’t know, it’s some nice thing for yourself, but you can only get it on the head, that is, you consider this rule meaningless, but it senseless only

if you still hope for some kind of way of life, do you want it? but this is most likely true, well, most likely true in the sense that if it suddenly seemed to me that i was communicating with a man, and so what... that in front of him i need to pretend that i am stupider, yes, so as not to it meant that i would immediately understand that this man is stupid and i’m not on the same path with him,

because i’ll just die of boredom with him, i know when 15 minutes before that, he wildly no, well, that’s if i someone experienced intense romantic feelings , something didn’t work out for me, i was disappointed in the seagull, he was disappointed in me, we just didn’t get along, but that’s my minimum. to be a stupid person only if he is uncontrollably cheerful, cool and talented, but that’s it, but i understand that he is stupid, i don’t want to then he most likely won’t act like that either lead, because he will at least want to be stronger, he wants to be smarter, why explain to me instinctively, a man wants a woman to be weaker, but no, there is no such instinct at all, it’s all a design. a structure that served certain needs, that is, you think it ’s described in the blown away as an artificial structure, well, that’s how it is - now we’re talking, we’re going back blown by

the wind, there’s a structure such that uh, a family is a working man who works in such a way as to provide not only yourself and somehow a wife, and also a family, well, that is , children being born, how many servants there are, but it’s bad, but one way or another he needs that’s all. this is a lesson for yourself, the wife , accordingly, does not work, she is completely immersed in the household, well, this is also work, listen, managing the household does not work in a job that brings money to the family, in this sense it does not work, uh-huh, yes, i understand, it means that people live only this way, yes, this is a social contract, let’s be honest, that they only do housework, some people are having a blast, but a significant number of people are bored, yeah. in order to somehow justify all this, various superstructures begin, yes, from the very beginning a woman is trying not to put a lot of education into her, there is the same english

aristocracy, how brilliant and floust spoke, wrote, showed, and a bunch of other authors, both fiction and documentary, sometimes there were in general, in principle, the aristocracy , literally there, for up to a century it could have been simply monstrously uneducated. drink squirrels, yes, that you have some kind of purpose, this and that, well, yes , so that she can do it fully, and not get bored, and because of this, it is natural that a woman should be more stupid, listen to a man, well, because

it’s true, if the husband is the boss, then she should obey him , now it’s no longer the case that someone’s husband is the boss, but i’m in the business all over the world, yes, after all, relationships between people are no longer the same, they are still more equal, one way or another, even in families with a traditional way of life, so it’s interesting when you read this novel? to find out how it was and the details of everyday life and balance always, well, some kind of create a superstition, well, in principle, this is all this superstition, yes, yes, yes, there is an imbalance towards there , well, the happiness and fulfillment of a woman, and every person is designed in such a way that he implementation is needed, and that means then all these sayings and things are invented, how a woman should behave, how she should be stupider, smarter, what she should know, how she should... breathe a corset this way and that, there should be something there , you know, it’s all just such a system, it’s kind of outdated, i i understand that often these

myths and legends are passed down by inheritance, where mothers teach their daughters for good reasons or for evil reasons, but still they dissolve, well , scarlett, she did her job as a destroyer of these shackles, that is, she, uh, let’s put it this way , paved the way to women's rights, how do you... it seems, well, to rights , probably not, to the fact that she achieved everything she wanted, yes, she became a business woman, this is sensational, well, yes, of course, she is, but what can you say about sex life with carly, it’s enough that she’s miserable, we’re all that we know, i mean, it’s written about it right there, well, it’s written about it right there, that she would get married twice and give birth to several children, that is, in the film they have... yes, yes, yes, she had

a son who, well in general, having married several times to different men, and having given birth, she did not reveal her sexuality at all, in general, maybe this is one of the reasons why she was in love with this ashley, that is, she had this romantic childhood love, similar to waiting for a prince, yes, and completely undisclosed sexuality, which was tried there once awaken red, and overall, do you think it's plausible, this could happen? with a woman today, well, in general , anything could be anyone, look, the first husband was there , they were together for 3 days and she didn’t really like him either, she didn’t like the second husband at all, but when she realized something, i saw something with rhett, she, too, was not there such that she did not directly crawl out of his bedroom, although in general there was quite a lot of attention paid to the description of what her...

and especially in the beginning, well, well not in the beginning in in the thirties of the 20th century, anyway, this was not a topic that you can easily talk about, but all the hemingways and millers appeared later, after the war, then somehow under a dark blanket, under a tablecloth, yes, but she see, speaks openly about a woman’s sex life, about the fact that she has not revealed herself as a woman, it turns out.

well, look, somehow scarlett, it seems to me, maybe mitchell too, somehow they’re not really talking about sex, well, about me, i realized that i can’t know, well, you know, it seems to me that when you read the book, you already know everything about a person, after all, you understand, but it seems to me that who knows, writers are still cunning, here we can’t be sure, but it’s not really about sex in this book, well, that is, scarlet has some kind of... then even after the relationship with rhett, she doesn’t have any strong for... as a woman, after all, this is still an unrealistic story that she believes in, that is, it seems to you that if a woman is unrequitedly in love like that, especially for a long time all her life into a man who rejects her, there is some kind of thing behind this, well, there’s such a closedness here, look, there’s such a thing here.

yes, scarlett, obviously, who is not about reflection, it’s her, this is one, two, between her first frustration on the topic of ashley , another one gave in, there were so many of these events happening that, in fact , maybe she would, if she pounded against him for some time in a row, then maybe. it means there was a decline, and here she was constantly distracted, well, such mundane life, very important matters, tragically, but in general everything, but survival is just survival, perhaps, you know, here as if ashley clung to books, he clung to memories, and about his former life, and she seemed to have some kind of connection with her former life, she clung to ashley, it was her connection, he was interesting to her. here in

some landmarks, in some sweet dreams, in which she was still, of course, like a spoiled girl from a rich family, of course she was in them, what worries she had, just winning off another suitor from girlfriends and ashley tie, absolutely right, all the dress, choose the dress, right choose a dress for an event, uh-huh, everything develops so non-linearly for them, hanging clothes in difficult times in order to get 300 dollars in tax out of a rat butler, a couple of years ago , i went to learn to sew, but i still, yes, i already know how, but still not as good as i want , i’m like that, they tell all their friends: girls, don’t throw away curtains, if anything happens, well, if anything happens, i’ll sew outfits for you, this is the right skill, listen to how clever you are, you know, katya,

very often -

carried by the wind, but just what kind of optics, that’s what your optics are, then they read it to you, if you want to find in everything how you became a victim, you will be a victim all your life, everyone offends you, they bullied you at school, and your mother offended you, and even your psychotherapist offends you, you know, well, it’s like that’s it, you have such optics, at least no matter what you read from scarlett - this is the antiposition of the victim, this is simply the position of a strong person, and it’s also interesting that there is a woman’s optics, after all , this is a cool novel, namely... about a time of crisis, which falls on any crisis situation , in fact, destruction and change, and how a woman behaves and how a woman sees this crisis and how she survives in it , that is, mitchell herself said that gone

with the wind is a novel about survival, and this is, in general, a relevant topic, by the way, you just thought that almost all these books are there, here is yarmaslav there is also a war with napoleon everywhere, and a war. the world, there are these , you know, war and peace everywhere, probably , this is still a man’s point of view, and it seems to me that anna karenina too, there is this moralizing position, that a bad girl behaved badly and so she should die, everything ended badly for her, i it seems that mitchell still has such optimism, that is, you are reading this book, and despite the fact that terrible pictures of this destroyed world are described, these terrible crowds, wounded... soldiers, it’s like the psychology of people whose their world, against this background there is such optimism and love of life, this is how it happened historically, well, in a sense, you start reading, how old are you, yes, you start reading, usually, well, there,

when i have passed the carlson stage, yes , well , childish, modern, not modern, yes, well, basically a person begins to enter into reading, if he went there at all, from the classics, almost all the classics were written by men,

the freedom of men, so here the question is not masculine but feminine, of course, it seems to me , well, mitchell too, yes, well, what if she were tekeroy. what about changing the last name , do you think mitchell proved something to these novels by the fact that it became popular, that it can still be read, that there are conflicts that we can still understand, she’s generally a winner, well , it seems to me, yes, she, you know, look, she’s still somewhere under the layers of time, yes, under layers of fashion and something like that, people have the same character, well, the same passions, passions.

novel, why danish, well, wait, because it shows women’s optics, doesn’t it, i don’t understand, here we are just now, i told you, i don’t understand what women’s optics are, but takirei has the same women’s optics , that's how much eh? grew up internally, no one, well, do you agree that

gone with the wind is a great novel? yes, of course, i agree, thank you for the interesting conversation, and thank you, i’m so glad to finally see you, because about books in general, i i don’t want to leave here, let ’s do something else, books are interesting to talk about , but no one understands this, well, that is, i want to directly show - in our program a must-read - that books are very interesting and... life shows this from completely different angles, and it's very modern. this podcast is a must read. i'm glalaina batnikova. today we discussed the novel gone with the wind by margaret mitchell, a wonderful novel about the war of the north and south in america with arina hollina, a blogger.

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