[000:00:00;00] music school, well, it’s dangerous before the violin, well, it’s dangerous, well, in general, i was normal, then i realized that it’s a good instrument, by the way, the violin is a very good musical instrument in the sense that it develops hearing well, you know, in our time these are the same boys, such hooligans at school, who were such school authorities, oddly enough , it turned out that all these boys played in a brass band, all this in saratov, but who played in the spirit of the orchestra, as they say now, it was cool, in connection with the fact that in general i... was then violin and they gave me a musical instrument there, well, it was not so difficult to master, that is, i understand, of course it’s difficult to learn to play well, well, in general , after the violin it was so okay, that’s important, yes, that is, the violin is so it was difficult that after the violin it seemed to me, well , it seems to me it was easier than it might be for others, and i started playing in the school orchestra, i liked it, in general it was so beautiful, wait, and the rock ensemble, i had

a rock ensemble , we are about the same age, there was a vocal instrumental ensemble, yes well, of course they played, of course they played guitars. played at school concerts , at some kind of such, it was, it was , let's our dear interlocutors, remember this moment, mikhail arkaevich compared informal concerts of a vocal-instrumental ensemble, i was a drummer in a school ensemble, so he compared official events . yes, in general, it was interesting, then i liked a musical instrument, the trumpet, i went and asked the music school to switch me from violin to trumpet, i became study uh on such an interesting musical instrument, the trumpet, i was incredibly in love with it, recently i once heard an interesting phrase from vladimir teodorovich spevakov, he was holding one wonderful instrument in his hands, when he picked it up, he said:

today i.. .. i will talk to her in the evening with her with a violin, as is understandable, yes, i remembered that i once talked to my musical sieve with a trumpet, i would please tell me, and forgive my ignorance, the violin naturally changes simply according to age, fingers and so on, well there are eighth notes, quarter notes, eight notes, quarter notes, yes, the piano doesn’t change, of course, yes, although the fingers are also small, so the wind instruments don’t change either, they don’t change, i have a daughter too. music school, i watch it, so fascinated, psalfeju, this is a great secret. and so i wanted to ask you, on the one hand, these are people who are so immersed in great art, sophisticated, well, as if not from the whole world, on the other hand, many of them are pragmatists, that is, they know how to work like an athlete in training, then many musical specialties are professions in the future, well, hardly piano, after all

, there are not many concert pianists. there are not many concert performers, but there are many pianists , well, teachers, pedagogues, of course, of course, but violins are simple, i am the creation of an amateur , there are many of them, this is a profession, this is a piece of bread, of course, yes, the trumpet is also in a sense, only you were what, you were a pragmatist, aimed at some result, you were a romantic who talks to a tool, or the third option, you were such a godfather who says during breaks, now we'll take the trumpet, no, no, i... at first i was a romantic, because in general i experienced some, well, great pleasure from just playing a musical instrument, although you have to understand that the repertoire is quite limited, there is such an evil joke that the brass player’s head has an upper resonator, yes, yes, well, yes, but i, but i ’ll tell you that it’s cool brass players, well, in an orchestra, not in a school one, but in general or not, well, in general, a brass player - this is a leader, especially a trumpeter, it seems so to me too, so i’ll just tell you

i'll tell you. i worked in an orchestra for 16 years, when you sit at the end of the orchestra, in front of you are all the groups of instruments, and then further on are the maestros, conductors, the audience sees for everyone, yes you see, usually it’s on a stand, on a stand, somewhere there’s a harp , yes, look, he’s sitting a little higher in the orchestra , which means, well, in the orchestra, i’ll tell you this, it’s not a story, it’s the kind of life that when he sits

there... no, of course, he’s a romantic, but then he’s more of a pragmatist, because it seemed to me what i want, i want to make it my specialty someday, and so it happened, i’m in i transferred for 12 years, what... what did you start talking about, that it wasn’t at 7 years old, at 12, and then i had to master a musical instrument in 3 years and enter a music school, i only had 3 years, well, in general how i managed to do it there, i entered the music school, then the conservatory, and then began to do this professionally, but in general i went from romanticism to pragmatism to where most of my classmates, after all, musicians, understand that yes, yes, as in sports like... it's not even a music activity, it's it’s just a way of life, it’s all subordinated to the fact that

several hours a day you have to study, practice, you have to practice, but here it’s just practice, here the biologist doesn’t read, several hours, hours of years until you work out all these synchronizations, while you you won't be the only one playing. instrument, until you listen to kilometers of music, you have to recognize it, yes, you have to hear it inside, yeah, a good musician who always has a reference sound inside, and how to listen to it from inside the orchestra, remember there was a movie, i sitting down, not a singing drust, where is the person, he ran around the city and came running only to his part of the cymbals, once or twice and ran again, well , there are many all sorts of anecdotes on this topic , musicians in general, but but from inside the orchestra in

general...

let's see trumpeter bryzgalov, come on. gregory, secretary of the unesco commission, i know him, gregory, well, now we are fooling around, there were no rehearsals, this is just improvisation. absolutely complete, well, this

is now, this is the night of the museum, but here is jazz, yes, this is now a classic, of course, in a sense, in general, here, this is synthesis, everything is there, this is improvisation, there are no modes. a boy passionate about music, then a pragmatist , then many years in an orchestra, and not yet a boy , but a husband who thinks in detail, carefully about how different arts relate to each other, i also thought about this, and you also know that in in the middle of our episodes, of our

podcast, there is always: i bequeathed to attribute that this schonberg came up with what schonberg came up with, he is a great musician, and i am a great author, so, but i still settled on a simple one, because there is in this seven-ton, huge epic, simply... which is called in search of lost time or in search

of lost time, as they said in the twenties, there was a slightly different grammar, in this long-lasting epic there is such a hero swann, who falls in love with a woman, her name is odetto, because she looks like the image of zipporah from the painting by batechelli, and most importantly, he associates one musical phrase with her. from a sonata by a non-existent composer, he came up with a composer whose name was him from proust vinteuil, then there were discussions, maybe it was with camille saint-saens, from whom he copied all this, he didn’t copy it from anyone, then much later, after proust’s death, there was a man who wrote this sonata, as it were according to the description, he materialized the sanata in vinteuil, that is, this is a huge detective story, and i would like this one

literally... after all, there is a competition going on - to better describe the music in words, so let's first translate it by adrian frankovsky, this is a book from the year thirty-four, here in the verdurin salon, it's happening. this evening at madam verdurin, as soon as the young pianist struck a few chords and stretched out one high note for two bars, swann suddenly saw that his name was swann. and he saw

how, because of the long sound, stretched out like a sound curtain to hide the secret of her birth, a secret, rumbling, dismembered phrase appeared: swann recognized this airy, fragrant phrase that captivated him, it was so original, it contained such an individual charm that nothing could replace that of svan, it seemed as if he met a woman in his friends’ living room, one day... a woman he had seen on the street who captivated him, whom he despaired of ever seeing again, and he meets her there, yes, through this musical phrase, this is the story, now nikolai lyubimov, the same phrase from this sanata , a non-existent composer, translated by a beloved one sounds like this: but a few minutes later, after the young pianist began to play with the verdurins, after a high note that lasted a long time, two whole bars with... suddenly i saw how, because of the long sound,

outstretched, like a sounding curtain hiding the secret of birth, a treasured, rustling , isolated musical phrase flutters out and moves towards him, and she, this airy and fragrant favorite of his, he recognized at that very moment, she was so unusual, full of such a peculiar, such special charm that for svan it was like... now in the living room of friends with the woman who once charmed him on the street, with whom he never expected to meet again, these are the fragrant masterpieces of the non-existent composer vintel, the great french a novelist, simply and two wonderful translators, this is music that can be understood, because music cannot be retold, yes, no, no, it’s impossible, it doesn’t mean anything, i’ll hear this quote now.

which you just read wonderfully, you can say , in general, there are a lot of meanings here, a lot of meaning, because music is often always pictorial, you always listen to music, close your eyes, you can definitely instantly draw for yourself any picture, any or not, i think that any, any, because the music itself will lead, try it, remember how we once met you in ryazan. it’s clear, and what’s behind this, what worlds, what , i was a little behind in pace, but in general

what worlds arise, you remember the film, moscow is not tears, of course, well, there the first second episode is interrupted by such an alarm clock ringing, it falls asleep. .. a tired heroine , who studies, works there, at the evening class, as a student, and suddenly wakes up as the director of a large, director of a large enterprise, where they tell her over the intercom why there is a shortage of subcontractors, well, something like this happened to you, yes, well, by that time i was the director of the philharmonic, and i thought that there were still economists and a candidate of economic sciences, i found the topic of

the dissertation, the development of the institute. i played in the orchestra, in general, i also enjoyed working there as a stagehand, some, well, some other part-time jobs right there in one place, because in general it helped to live, the philharmonic is such a multidisciplinary organization , and concerts of classical music, modern and then the stage was in the philharmonic, i i i managed communicate, this is the turn of the millennium, and i was able to communicate with many outstanding

modern musicians. this is the name of the russian national museum of music, here in my hands is a book that i really love, here are many instruments that are kept in the museum of music, here are the kusli, then there is the saratov harmonica , this is not it, this is an accordion, here is the saratov harmonica, which is different because there are bells there, yes, that you can ring, i’ll ring it now, there’s a button there, but this instrument, one one of the first ans soviet synthesizers stands for alexander nikolaevich scriabin, master evgeniy murzin, and if you and i remember again the film diamond hand solaris by andrei torkovsky, then this is the music that sounds there ; there are no computers yet, so it’s possible it’s

physics, there are the same keys as the old ones tape recorders , this is what the physicist collected from those same oscillographs and others. physical devices, if he lived in the world of the golden calf, he would definitely be a billionaire, but you know how it works, it’s a large metal plate, on which an image , a drawing is extruded, extruded, that is , a graphic graphic equivalence is inserted into special grooves, well, like a music box, only much more complicated and it moves, this drawing sounds, by the way, we did several experiments, we took it in this way, it works , it is still active, absolutely, we took the works of artists, transferred them to this iron sheet, and we heard how the works of art sounded, well, that’s the idea. the ancient greeks, in fact, the socratics, absolutely true, this musical instrument

exists in a single copy. i will remind, of course, you, our dear interlocutors, know this 300 times better than i, that the pythagoreans insisted that music always sounds, there is music in the mathematics of planetary orbits, yes, if we are silent, then they will. that’s what his last drafts of scores were aimed at, well, creating

music that would move the luminary, and like orpheus, if arpheus took the fork, then movement would come, in general, this was what scribe was doing, he was on it aimed, and you see, he had serious, most ambitious

ideas, i remind you that today... a story that has a beginning, development, an end, well, in general, yes, due to the fact that you and i don’t have much time a lot , and you know, i don’t want to give up at all, because, because this is important for for the institution for the museum, in the car, yes, for the museum, this is important, because, because people, even if you haven’t been to the museum, listen, one or two, three, well, maybe there will be a desire to come, have a look, find out more about something, either at home, later, or when you get out from behind the wheel and see something interesting, oh, there’s so much , so much interesting stuff there, i remember, by the way, there was

an exhibition about... but we’re talking about what they shouldn’t say, just to sort of loop the whole this story , we read, we talk, of course, as always, we talk about the fact that we should not chat, but read, perceive art, and let’s return to this issue of the connection between literature and... music - here is a modern person who listens to music and reads literature, this is what kind of person, what kind of music he listens to, that is

this, well, on your bones you had discs of recordings by vysotsky, rolling stones, but that is, you are ours, well, of course, well, well, well, what about the beatles, then jazz was the one that was not allowed , it was also on the bones, bourgeois art, of course, well, like me, the whole world, modern man, in general it seems to me, well, that is, not only rachmaninov schnittke, no, yes, no, of course, but in general

modern man listens to any music, but i sometimes succeed. listen, i listen to basta, i listen to the singer zivvert, yes, but i listen, yes, i’m listening, this doesn’t mean that i’m a fan, but you understand what’s there, it seems to me that we should understand, since we are professionally dealing with this topic, the topic of music, the topic of heritage, because after some

time , it will or it won't. that there is still something besides the greats, besides chekhov, platonov, bulgakov, pushkin, dostoevsky, something, well, at least the last one, please, and pelevin, and prilepin, and yakhin, in general, a number of others, a series, a series of names that, in general, are interesting, interesting, it really touches, in in general, this too. very often, very often, in your program, it seems to me that it should be especially said that when you are with a book, then when you read, different, different thoughts come all the time, completely, i’m telling you this , if not a professional writer, yes , that when you are with a book, when you read, and

there is a certain plot, some thoughts, but at this moment, for example, it comes to me... in parallel with the work that i am doing, how deep it is, dear our interlocutors, that is, we had to call musician and director of the general largest music museum in russia, to understand what i didn’t quite understand, because well, a professional, of course he doesn’t read like that, he reads, thinking that he will write in a review tomorrow, that he will tell the students, but

not me i need to write for reviews, i have... for this discovery, as for the whole conversation, i am endlessly grateful to my guest today, our guest, general director of the russian national museum of music mikhail arkadyevich bryzgalov, thank you very much, thank you for the pleasant communication for the pleasure of being here with you today, i am sure that we will meet with you again more than once, to you, our respected interlocutors, i am always with an accent, with such edification , at the same time it is easy, simple, i say, read with pleasure , like mikhail bryzgalov, this podcast is a must-read, i’m

aglanabatnikova, arina hollina and i are bloggers. we will discuss margaret mitchell's famous novel gone with the wind and the beloved heroine scarly tuhara, who has become a symbol of female independence, a style icon, and well of course, a paradoxical character, which we will discuss with arina today. arina, hello, hello, hello, gone with the wind is a novel about the civil war, north and south in 1861 to 1865. there was this war, so margaret mitchell, a seemingly simple housewife, wrote listen, it’s not simple, it exists too such a fairly wealthy and southern family, well, she worked as a reporter, yes we understand that, but relatively speaking, by the time she wrote the novel, she led the lifestyle of an ordinary housewife, she was a deputy, she was everything she was lying broken when she wrote this novel , she had something there, i’ve already forgotten, something happened, she broke everything in herself, so she could work as a reporter, well, in general, at that

time, be a female reporter one way or another, well.. well, she was an extreme sportswoman, of course , but she had no ambitions for the idea of ​​a writer, or a writer, so she writes this novel, the only work of her life, she wrote it, it was published in 1936, it immediately becomes a bestseller, it is based on it a film in hollywood, but with stars, and it seems to me that this is fame, unexpectedly not collapsed, she may not have previously laid claim to such a role as a great american writer, but nevertheless her book can still be read, it’s interesting, and the film is still interesting to watch, you agree, it already seems a little hard to me, everything- there’s a lot of stuff, you know , outdated. stage filming, you know, what i have most of all right now, it seems to me that it’s the stage filming that may traumatize us all, well, probably the main thing in the film is the casting, and there’s a pretty accurate casting, that’s vipen lee and clark gable, to me

it seems that this is very successful, so to speak, they suit these characters, you agree, it’s very 200% a unique option, and why is the novel still interesting to read, well, listen, it doesn’t even matter whether it’s a woman or a man, in general ... it's about - a person's life at a turning point, when a person loses everything, look, she loses both her mother and her father, well, her homeland, i would even say, because the society in which she grew up is disappearing, yes, society is disappearing , everything is falling apart, everything, she doesn’t give up, and it’s written very vividly, in the sense that you can this is to believe that such a heroine seemed to exist and her story tells

us very different things, emphasizes her lack of conscience, lack of reflection, introspection, that is, when they asked margaret mitchell herself if she wrote this heroine from herself, she answered quite sharply , that scarlet is a prostitute, and i am not, that is, she is also , let’s say, frivolous in relationships with men, and manipulates them consciously, but she is not frivolous, because frivolous - that is, if she simply allowed herself to flutter manipulate. whom she could not defeat, he saw through her from the very beginning and did not try not to be a lady, no, well

, he immediately tells her at the first meeting that you are not a lady, so he immediately exposes her, because she is posing as a lady, but internally she does not correspond to the concepts of that time, what a lady is, listen, well, everyone there knew that she was not a lady, from the nanny to some of her... friends, yes, relatives, because in general she had a lively disposition, so let's say, but in general this is just what it seems to me, a list questions for the reader, that’s what you’re thinking about, she’s good, she’s bad, she didn’t have success, she’s unsuccessful, but overall not much luck, well, it’s as if in the final balance she just has money, but she’s a person who strives for pleasure, she strove for exactly that, mind you, that is, she had a non-material desire all her life, her entire life that we know, yes, she wanted something like that. it seems to me that her crush on ashley, it partly, well, symbolizes her craving for something spiritual, because ashley, he loves literature, music, he is not like her, he reads books, he always looks somewhere with his dreamy

gaze through her, and she likes it, she is drawn to him, precisely as a person who has some kind of wider inner world, you you know, there are so many indications that she doesn’t care about her inner world at all,