and there is a wonderful picture by ilya verbakh, other people’s letters about a teacher who cannot understand the character of her student and gives in to him, because she cannot explain why you can’t read other people’s letters, because this picture is good for this very reason, because you can’t explain this, then that’s all... the point is, there is something that should be inside, something that should be like an internal law inside us, this should be, because it cannot be explained, and soviet reality, unfortunately, was closed to these internal laws that cannot be explained, they simply must be, and there the old teacher says amazingly, why not, because everything is impossible, thank you, dear friends,

hello, i am still dmitry bak, and to my deep happiness i am still i am the host of a literary podcast. don’t speak, let them read, this is a crafty name , of course, we speak at our meetings, on our programs, but we speak for a reason, but in order to encourage you to read, our guests today are representatives of the new generation of russian prose writers, by the way , among they have a poet, try to guess who it is before i discover this secret, so today our guest is asya volodina, hello, hello, asya, the author of two wonderful

novels, part of the picture and the protagonist, and the protagonist has already been awarded a prize art theater, and part of the film is also very popular, in addition, our guest is a literary critic, i’ll tell you a secret, poet and prose writer evgeny kremchukov, his last novel, the magic choir, was included in the short lists of two major awards, and the yasnaya polyana prize and the big book prize, hello zhenya. hello. well, katya manoila, who has just released her second novel, is blowing dead leaves to the wind, and her first novel has already received a lot of press, this novel is called “the father looks to the west.” and he was on the long list of the big book prize and on the short list of the yasnaya polyana prize. katya, hello. and a laureate of the lyceum. and the winner of the lyceum prize.

and from the feeling, from the feeling, well, finally, katya, are you a millennial or not, i thought at first there would be a question: are you a millionaire, but it’s almost the same thing well, i’m a millennial, a millennial, well, that is, 2:1, i ’m not, 2:2, you can say, yes, that’s how it is with us, i even think that it’s worth coming up with a program on how to become a millennial, it will be, i think, absolutely a stunning story , that is, how to look younger, in fact, because a millennial is synonymous with fashionability, youth, well...

millennials are those who are either the same age as the new millennium, or a little older than the beginning of the new millennium, but feel like an adult, a doer at the moment when the 20th century began, well, this is what we are talking about, we mean this meaning when we pronounce this long word: the millennium of the millennium, a millennial is a person who is related to the turn of the millennium, that’s what i wanted to ask my guests: and today... perhaps a unified history of literature, well, here are some pushkin, gogol lermantov or not , again a quick answer, yes or no, or everyone has their own literature, asya, no, impossible, everyone has their own, everyone has their own, zhenya, everyone has their own modern literature, yes, modern, of course, pushkin , i think, well, it can hardly be questioned, to each their own, katya, yes, i’ll ask you, asya, but what actually prompted you to start writing? i even put this

phrase in quotation marks, yes, well , can you imagine, your daughter or son comes to you and says: mom or dad, i’ll be a writer, what will we answer him, wait, but what are you going to live on, strictly speaking? who will you study for, where will you work, what does it mean to be a writer, that’s what was most important for you when it all started? well, for me it actually started just after how i graduated, found a job and , moreover, defended my phd thesis, and apparently after that i allowed myself to live the way i want, in fact, i already had a piece of bread, i know that you teach german and estonian and estonian, this is my main specialty, not so usually yes, that is, you are a linguist, i am literature. vet, but it so happened that i taught language rather than literature, but literature has always been my great love, in fact, i studied in graduate school, wrote a dissertation on folklore for 3 years, and i was so burnt out in fact, doing science, that having written a dissertation on folklore, a year later i started

writing a novel, because this is an excellent occasion, yes, that is, having burned out in philology, a person becomes a writer himself, and i’m just ready here, i don’t know, not to tear apart, not to be too harsh, but to argue very... harshly, because, well, how can you burn out on faulkner. well, of course, you, dear friends, know that william faulkner, billy faulkner, is the man to whom sherwood anderson, another novelist, short story writer, sent a famous letter and said: "billy, you're a country boy, you write only what you know, about that piece of land that can be covered with a postage stamp on the map, and faulkner began to write his magnificent, brilliant novels, how can you burn out on this, well, it’s a good reason to become a writer.” and how was it for you ? i came to literature as a poet, and in order for you to have books, two, two collections of poetry, in the eleventh year it was published, a guide book, a book of poems was published, this year in the 23rd a book was published - a cloud of them all. for me,

literature - this is a way of knowing, and if poetry was a way of knowing oneself, then prose has become a way of understanding reality, here. switzerland, he says: i don’t like painting, but i’ll look at it from a geological point of view, well, of course, you can look at the picture from the point of view of geology, how the layers and rocks go there, but in order to understand the world, is it really necessary to write literature, maybe it would be better to read some -there are no other books, but maybe there are different methods of cognition, i’m not saying that it is the only one, unique or the best, but... this is one of them, and it’s probably the closest to me, it’s clear. well, katya, how did it happen with you, but it so happened to me that love appeared as soon as i learned to read and write. love of literature, love of literature, yes, that is, when you open a book, start reading it and fall

into this other universe and feel like a different person. another point is that at some point, i may not like the story, and i will close it. no, rewrite , yes, i was so busy finishing the finished book when i was a child, i also wanted anegin not to kill lensky, but suddenly he doesn’t, i thought why not write, well now this is not being done, well now this a separate direction, by the way, it seems to be even profitable, that is, friends, well , it’s clear, it’s clear, dostoevsky said that in order... to write a novel, you need to stock up on one or more strong impressions, this is very important, my question such as the extent to which your life enters there in a transformed form, or in a direct form,

well, we involuntarily compare the facts of a biography and a novel, sometimes very directly, sometimes not so directly, that’s still the extent to which personal experience enters into prose. or it's not there, but what if enters, then after all, what is personal-intimate, private or well, public, generalized , after all, that is, the thrill of time or the thrill of the heart, what is the most important? i’m actually remembering here a story that happened to me in 1920, when i reached the finals of the lyceum prize, and there was such a practice that they laid out part of the author’s biography, and an excerpt from his work, and i don’t know what is literally needed there paragraph. i wrote a little about my life, quite interestingly, and the first comment was approximately that a person the biography seems more interesting than his text , probably, it’s more interesting to read about the biography, and so i realized that perhaps you shouldn’t ask all the cards at once and it’s better to let you read the text, and not yourself, but at

the same time, really, well, my personal experience is reflected in all my texts in one way or another, the point is that of course i give my characters a lot of myself or that . it seems to me that we should be filled with not just one experience, and not even a few, but many, i feel sometimes it’s like i’m stewing in this one broth and giving away, well, no i know, some kind of the same story, there, i’m writing one of my experiences, and this... may be for my benefit as therapy, but for literature this is a minus, this is a minus, so i begin, now

this text - cut mercilessly, here i understand, let’s leave this for the diary, but here we will work for the reader, for literature, i always knew that you are a wise woman, this is said very subtly, yes, because a lot of things seem to the ordinary person potentially interesting, but very few people are interested. well, for example, if from tenth grader vasya, ninth grader valya left, and he thinks that now, well, really, well, he doesn’t know how to live, this is interesting only to him, and valya, if she still loves him, to his mother, who will say, vasenka, well, only don’t worry, but this is not art , yes, that is, in order to become art, you need to, well, cut something off, sort of move the diaries aside, i liked it, zhenya, like you, i think it’s impossible to write novel and some...

returns, that is, if the world that you still have is such a moment when experience wrote, he is a real living person, then what happens there, it comes back to you as your personal experience, and it is somehow different, yes, you don’t recognize it anymore, it’s wonderful - so, i remind you that today we are talking about - modern literature, we are talking about

the literature of millennials, that is, those people who have become adults, have become creators on the verge of the millennium, our guests today are representatives of new russian prose, this is asya volodina, this is evgeny kremchukov and ekaterina manoila. well, at this point we will open the spoiler a little. well, actually, mine interlocutors. to say, deprive yourself of everything on the sofa , well, but nevertheless, asya volodina’s novel, to my taste, is in the english spirit, but

such an oxford academic get-together, in which various interesting events take place, a university get-together with zhenya kremchukova’s novel about friends, well, also such a very humanly understandable novel, how growing up friends feel their connection with time, with place, they also have a lot of events happening. well, katya manuela has a novel about the frontier, where there are two religions - islam and christianity, where people seem to bifurcated between these worlds, interesting books, by the way, i think. but what did you feel or what event became an indicator for you that it worked out? for me, such an indicator was the moment when i suddenly discovered that the world that i was still writing was not over yet, it was beginning to live partly its own life, it was gaining

a certain autonomy from my plan, pushkin writes, tatyana cleaned up the thing, yes, it ’s clear . once again, i’ve already said everything, she lives on her own, yes, when this world and the heroes there begin, it doesn’t mean dictating yours to you conditions, no, of course, but you suddenly discover that it develops according to consistent internal laws, great, katya, father looks to the west, it came out more than a year ago, but since then i receive some kind of feedback every day. readers on social networks, and for me, probably, this is the most important indicator that yes, yes, yes, yes, of course, asya, you, i probably have a more formal approach in this regard, because by the time the protagonist ends i already had a finished novel, part of a picture, and well, it’s not at the same time practically, yes, as if conditionally for the reader

, yes, therefore, well, that is, i had the feeling that i could create texts, worlds , etc. that is, before the protagonist, i knew that i could make a text that was worth something, and the protagonist simply helped, well, set the bar higher actually, but i had such a rather formal approach that there is an author, and there is a writer, for the writer i need publications, while i didn’t have book publications, the one who brilliantly plays hamlet in front of the mirror is still in the hallway, even if he has i have a feeling that it’s turning out very cool, but still it’s not quite right, but zhenya, katya, a response is still needed... a response is needed, a response is needed, it’s needed, but it should come later, now it’s time for the presenter’s section, as you may remember, in the middle of our issue, i read something, three options: either it’s an old book, or it’s a quote from a classic, or it’s a poem, but today

there will be an old book, but very unusually young for an old book, because this book was published in... in 1982, this is the debut book of the wonderful poet ivan fedorovich zhdanov, and now dissertations are being written about the so-called poets, meta-metaphorists, about poets who then offered the reader complicated, unusual poems, but then in those years, at the very beginning of the eighties, it was still deep in the soviet union, three poets: alexey parshchikov, alexander eremenko and... ivan zhdanov, well , they somehow rhymed with each other, and these books cannot be confused with anything, i have a book in my hands with the author’s notes, it is very dear to me, it contains just examples of poems that make impossible neural network. katya asked me, quoting the poems of the neural network, why this is not poetry, but

because it has already been written, what ivan zhdanov did has not yet been resumed, well, he has it. such poems, for example, the bumblebee heat swayed in the candles , blacker than the blood in the heartbeat, but the color and essence coincide in the nights, the pain, like a bumblebee , yearns for flight. the fact is that this is a reality, not the one that you and i see in everyday life, not the one that is already all written down, as we talk about icons and paintings, everything is described in classical poetry, this is a completely new reality, how... i’ll tell you a secret right away, it’s about how the saxophone plays, it’s about music, master, occupy the grooves of open voices, puppy throats,

gill slits, before they stick to your wall without... magnifier his immortal exhalation, which seemed to be inside him, no longer began and did not end, the starry crowd around him, the lanterns in the balls swollen.

your breath rose like a nickel of fumes yesterday , the fog from the clotheslines carried away your birch forest in circles of gramophone laziness onto the seamstresses' scissors, these are the poems by ivan zhdanov from books. portrait, which was published in moscow by the sovremennik publishing house in 1982, well , i’ll ask you about this again burning issue and i’ll start with this discussion: is it possible now to engage only in literature and live only on royalties? you can do it, but not everyone succeeds, not everyone, i think, but the best or the worst? well... there are many different literatures, generally modern, yes, in the one we are talking about, that is, the great literature, the so-called, yes, i think that in it the best

manage to live exclusively professionally income, well, that’s probably how it should be, but who do you introduce yourself in life , so you meet in a company, you say, am i a prose writer or after all, no, i say, i’m probably a writer, a writer, yes, okay, now asya, you are the most socialized, after all , yes, you are such a person, well, a candidate of sciences, i, i know that this is, i am also a candidate of sciences, well, actually, in my current life these three letters are needed only for weight, three letters, this is k, f, n, yes, candidate of philological sciences, yes, i usually position myself more as a teacher, because i continue to teach my estonian language, and not only in reality, and as a writer, well, this is my conditionally subpersonality, that is...

another time rumen kari, well, that is, your case is not the same, not different literary names like andrei senyavsky and abram terse, for example, this is a worldly name and a literary one, different modes of existence, let's say, that is, now asya volodina is in front of you, she will come out, she will return home, she will already be ours now asya volodina, asya volodina, do not confuse , by the way, is a very literary theatrical name, but well, katya, i’m really afraid to think, there are some too. substitutes, substitutes, what if you are not katya or manoila, but mary edward , for example, or merishelli, who knows, no, no,

no, no, i am ekaterina manoeva, i ask you to love, we love, yes, i think, if we go back to the first the question of whether it’s possible to live depending on how you live is also a good one, of course, because i once said a couple of times that, well, what, this is literature. people don’t come here for the money, on the other hand, i thought that it’s probably not very correct to say that either, because there are literary the prizes that i received too, yes, or how the prize cannot be supported for a long time, after all, i’m saying, it depends on how hard it is, depending on how you live, but there is royalty from books, but there are different ones, there are magazines, and you don’t want how would push him away and says, no, don’t come here , there’s no money here, well, no, well, there are tsypso’s manuals or... banal envy, cracks in the walls, terrible, some have less, some have more, why don’t ukrainians new houses in mariupol give peace, we arrived to understand the latest misinformation, that’s all

the video was really taken out of context, a meeting of miraculously surviving people with someone who gave them a helping hand, look here, they are sleeping on chairs, children, hello, i’m very glad to see you, i’m very glad that you’re alive, we’re glad to see you too, anti-fake, premiere for... the name of this republic translates as golden mountains, local residents remember all their ancestors ; this is where the entrance to the mystical country, shambhala, is located. welcome to one of the most picturesque regions of our country, the altai mountains. why are you serving food to the hearth? u we are considered to be all living things and there is a spirit around everything. this broth contains almost all known sciences. this action is dangerous, why during the run morality jumps to a height of 2 m. go away, the life of your own. premiere on

sunday on the first. so, i remind you that today we are talking about modern literature. our guests today are representatives of new russian prose, this is asya volodina, this is evgeny kremchukov and ekaterina manoila. if we are talking about great, real russian literature, then what is it? once. secondly, who is your hero? what kind of person is this? he is a person from the present, from the past, to what extent does he take into account the past and in particular the soviet past, well , i’ll hide the third question here, so that we already have such a nine three times three, but we can get by with, well, how should i put it, well, so i i wanted to say the perestroika word without the black stuff, but i don’t like it, dostoevsky is all black stuff, murder, crime, but is it possible to do without the fact that, well, it’s not like it happens every day

without... the ticket attendant, skillfully used genre techniques when i read this phrase, i realized that i i’m ready to be a fiction writer like fauus , whom we studied, actually at the philology department, just in case we’ll comment on john falls, a wonderful english novelist and philosopher, author of books, collector, wolf, in russian translation, yes, wonderful, many once very beloved books , yeah, and it seems to me that a modern author, well, at least if we are talking about our generation,

treats literature in many ways as a whole, not as a tiered storey system, where there is great literature, here is fiction and genre literature, but as some field, that is, you take your basket, you walk through this field and collect those berries that are interesting to you, it just doesn’t deny the ferocity, there are tiers, there are fly agarics, toadstools and white ones, yes, but maybe a pinch of fly agarics will be useful for your soup, it will make it unexpectedly interesting.

such great literature, who is the hero and what else? but without chernukha and is it possible to do without chernukha? but his brother, the teacher, immediately puts everything into order. i would highlight most of the literature not technically, as it seems to me, not by the use of certain techniques, but based on the task, and if the main task of the literary genre is to entertain the reader, then the big so-called one, it seems to me that the work? no, it’s difficult to increase the world, well, if, well, look , how can i increase the world if i don’t like it? this is always my problem, i don’t like it, well, if i just don’t try it, they tell me, i need to try the delicious soup, and then you’ll like it, i ’d rather have candy right away, how to work for those who are used to looking for easy ways, like a big author, does he have the right to there is no compromise, some tricks

are possible, please. it’s all the more interesting, you could pretend that you remember which one you have, i’ll say two then, two of your novels, you just don’t remember, your father is looking to the west, it’s a gloomy three-story building in which the marat was born and died, it resembled a funeral home, well, it’s immediately darkness , uh-huh,

immediately darkness, a marat died, a small child died, as we later find out this is already the second novel, the wind carries dead leaves, it’s even more terrible there, the bell that drilled through louise’s skull announced the end of the lesson. in that it all starts at school, of course, zhenya , bavrin found out about protasov’s arrest in izu, shizuka prefecture while visiting local sights, well, yes, yes, yes, well, the arrest is still not murder, but, but there is murder there too, as we said in the protagonist, well, that is, it’s still difficult without such things , we deprived katya of an answer, because such a big letter, but i have nothing to add, no, well, after all, do you have your own opinion or not, well, uh? and there are also two more who are your hero, the third is asya, without the black, absolutely without the black it’s impossible, it’s impossible, it seems to me, well , it would be a lie, a terrible thing, please, this is personal experience, yaroslav, the nineties, naturally

, there was something in my background, it is being smoothed out gradually, sometimes i also find myself in some corners of moscow, i see, that that life, which i have already forgotten a little , is alive, well... i haven’t seen murders for a long time, thank god, or violence other than the screen, yeah, except books, including ekaterina manuela, but forgive me for that, no , why forgive me, i can’t tear myself away, this is like the case, i’ll give you a compliment in person when you just swallow it, because i must tell you, dear interlocutors, that i am very strict, i am my editor, when i read something wrong, my face is like that of an astronaut who is rotated in three planes, it immediately begins to transform in a grimace, who is your hero? my hero, a product of his time, so far here are two of my books, they are probably in time, here and there there are sisters, there are real ones, here they are, as it were,

heroin, which and heroes, which is kind of give or take my same age, yes, that is, it’s like that for everyone, yes, more or less for everyone, zhenya, so do you, this is important. this is probably the most important answer, that evgeny kremchukov, asya volodina, ekaterina manoila write about those who are close to them in age, in worldview, that’s why they are millennials, yes, how to become a millennial, you need to become young, beautiful, self-confident, feeling strong, then, then everything will work out for you, the very last question for today, what kind of book would you like to write, let’s start with katya, now? now i’m writing a third book, and my goal and dream to write it is to write it like this, what i conceived of it, it’s called the golden boy, it’s about a child growing up in a family of gold miners, here i kind of

challenge myself, firstly, i have different layers of time, this is a different geography , an unusual boy and not a girl, yes this is magadan, they are the steppes and... moscow that i know there, i have great ambitions and a dream to make it very good, so that later we can say, oh, this is great literature, asya, for me, probably, the form and some calls that are specifically related to the form, with genre, with work, with genre, because i , well, in parts of the picture i, one way or another, probably worked with a novel of ideas, roughly speaking, in the protagonist, of course, this is a reworking - of ancient tragedy in many respects, as the title shows, the protagonists - these are the main characters of the tragedy, now i know that there is a certain set of genres that i would like to work with, find their core and maybe

break these genres, for me, for example, a very mysterious and incomprehensible genre is a love story, in our country there is no such thing as a russian romance novel, we are russian authors write under pseudonyms, they write under pseudonyms. because russian will not be read, because our love, it is suffering and blackness, here are all the knights, ladies and so on, they are all there, so i am interested in understanding what kind of... specificity, let's say, of a russian love story could be break it. mikhail bakhtin, the great russian philologist and philosopher, said that there is a memory of a genre, and a genre is not only the type of composition of the text, but the type of emotion that it delivers, yes, it’s very interesting to work with this, but i’m even afraid guess what zhenya kremchakova will answer? i will try to answer as a poet, but i would like to write such a novel, such a book, so that for its reader it becomes an offer from... which cannot be refused, so that it is air and a stone flying in this in

this air, yeah, and well that window, which in essence, yes, because poems are generally excluded from fees, from circulation, yes, this question simply does not arise there, if poems, as my students and actors say, hit you, then - what are the rules here? -that other mechanisms, well, we can only express general confidence. that a novel that breaks the usual genres, a novel that moves from the borders of steppes and forests and moscow to the extreme southeast, where gold is mined, and a novel that is also necessary as poetry, will definitely be written by our guests today, assey volodina, evgeny kremchukov and ekaterina manuela, it is with great pleasure that i thank you for this meeting, asya, all the best, see you again. zhenya, goodbye, see you, katya, we’ll talk again and again. well, you

our dear interlocutors, i, as always , say my sacred mantra, read with pleasure, dear friends. hello everyone, on the first channel of the podcast everyone wants to fly and i am its host leonid yakubovich, today you and i will not fly anywhere, today we will remember a man, but if not legendary, then at least outstanding, the name of this man was hushed up in the soviet union always, all his achievements, although mostly they came to light even before the revolution, were crossed out from all publications. we will talk to you today about person. whose name was igor sikursky, about

an outstanding aircraft designer. well , this is where we stand: on may 25, 18089, in the family of a famous psychiatrist, the family was wealthy, moreover, i repeat, it occupied a very serious position in society, therefore, according to established tradition, the boy was baptized in the family. exclusively, like his older sisters and brothers, only members of the imperial family were baptized. in this case, the boy was baptized by the emperor's cousin and became his wife, the grand duchess. at baptism the boy was given the name igor. mother naturally, she adored the boy, read him various fairy tales, but what is typical in the story about the great leonardo devinci, she showed him a picture of a certain design of which the great. an inventor, scientist and artist,

one day suddenly suddenly, one might say, wandered in, here is the design of the great leonard dewinch. this design is quite reminiscent of a modern helicopter. in general, i must tell you that the idea was born a very long time ago, in that century bc, in china, someone, unknown, who noticed how an acacia leaf was falling. it's easy to check if you throw it, yes, any leaf, but in my opinion the acacia leaf is better, it doesn’t fall down, it starts to rotate like this along some strange trajectory, only then it lands, once upon a time, i repeat, in the century bc china there was a toy like this , a stick on which two petals are attached, made of fabric, of matter, you just twist the stick, let it go, it didn’t fall down, but

spun in the air for some time, it was such a children’s toy, we’ll tell you later what happened with this, with it was from this toy that the idea of ​​​​creating such an image was born machines, perhaps leonardo knew about this , but nevertheless, what he drew, what he invented, did, of course, caused unspeakable surprise, in general, of those who had ever... seen it, and igor was absolutely shocked, and seeing, this is probably where his love began, his dream of heaven, when he saw this picture. and he was, in my opinion, three or four years old, maybe a little more, he asked the servants in the house to pull him a rope between two trees, on which they hung a cradle, at a height of about three or four, and he sat down in this felt the cradle

himself in the sky, in the air, while his relatives, while his buddies, friends, older brothers and sisters were playing, he sat in this ice for hours. imagining as if he was flying, further more, he studied, his parents sent him to study at the st. petersburg naval cadet corps, after, in my opinion, six months, he suddenly unexpectedly told his parents, i’m tired of it, this is not mine, this is the argument , insisted and achieved his goal, in 906, he went to a technical school in france, this... about six months passed, maybe a little more, he returned, in 908 he entered the mechanical faculty of the kiev polytechnic institute, where there was an aeronautical section, which

was led by mozhaisky’s students, there and so on, in the second or third year he invented a steam motorcycle. for which he became absolutely famous at the institute, without finishing it, well, probably, it had already become a habit of the institute, he left in 908, he began building his first helicopter, i must tell you that this is an incredibly technically complex matter, for those times, i repeat , this this is the beginning of the century, nevertheless, in... the ninth he completed construction, i am now holding in my hands not his, naturally a helicopter, i am holding in my hands the legendary mi-8, but nevertheless, what was clear, he always dreamed that the helicopter will be exactly like this, i will then explain how this helicopter differs, this helicopter design is different from many others, but for some reason he always wanted to make a helicopter with one

rotor, the helicopter could not take off, that is, it crashed... he wanted to, of course, they started him up, but he couldn’t get air. nevertheless in 909 he gathers his family and asks to finance his trip to paris. his older brother was categorically against it, because sending a young lad to paris, and even with a certain amount of money, is, generally speaking, dangerous. nevertheless, having shown character, and this would later be useful to him throughout his life, he insisted on his own. allocated funds and he went to paris to study with the famous designer ferdinand ferber. ferber, i must tell you, first of all, immediately explained to him that inventing a helicopter is easy, building it is more difficult, you can never raise the air at all. and he cited as an example all the living creatures that

existed at that time on our planet, that still exist today, that ran across the earth, and from which no one has ever been torn away. the air is, well , let’s say, one and a half meters higher than there, but sikorsky was a man, i repeat, of an incredible character, he decided that it would be done, he gave up helicopter manufacturing, by the way, it didn’t work out, it didn’t work out because the theory was simply not enough, it was simply not yet clear many parameters, aerodynamics, how the propeller should rotate, what configuration... posts, well, a lot of things didn’t exist then, he left this occupation for a while and began to engage in aircraft construction, on june 8, 909 he built his first plane c2 and made a short flight, not long, but nevertheless accomplished, this one...