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presentations, the author of which was none other than our hero, mikhail preshvin. by the way, it’s a tradition when soviet schoolchildren wrote their first lines based on his texts, wrote them down in school notebooks, it happened during his lifetime, in the thirties, in the forties, and prishvin was very amused by this, because he himself was a non-born student , he was retained for the second year, then he was kicked out of the gymnasium completely, and here he is...
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i didn’t come across his diary, this diary absolutely changed my idea of this man, forced me to take him extremely seriously, write a book about him and generally never stop thinking about mikhail prishvin. pustovsky once said that if nature could feel gratitude to a person for singing her beauty, then the first person to receive this gratitude would be mikhail prishvin. i think that not only nature, but also russian history of the 20th century is also very grateful to preshvin for the testimony that he left about it in his main book. and prishvin’s main book was his the diary he kept for 50 years, he wrote several pages every day and the volume of this diary, which was just recently. completely published, the volume of this diary
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is approximately 25 volumes like this, and, probably, the one who reads all these 25 volumes will be as wise as prishvin. what do we know about this person? and he was born in 1800 73, and was born near the wonderful russian city of yelets, in a merchant family, lost his father early, and there yelets went to the gymnasium to study in... there was only one gymnasium, this gymnasium is remarkable in that ivan bunin studied there, and the future philosopher priest sergei bulgakov, and the geography teacher in this gymnasium was none other than the philosopher vasily vasilyevich rozanov, all this was around the same time, just imagine, a small, beautiful, charming dace, a men's gymnasium, which, by the way, is still preserved, and there is now a school there, so... once almost
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a century and a half ago , we met in this school, and we missed each other a little, because bunin was expelled from this gymnasium or left this gymnasium, a little earlier than prishvin came to it, in this wonderful building, they coincided with rozanov, in fact, rozanov played a huge role in the fate of preshvin, because at first he really appreciated this stubborn dreamer, this dreamer, who dreamed commit. the procession of a boy who once ran away from school with his friends on a boat along the quiet pine river, who was caught by a police bailiff and returned to the gymnasium, and roznov supported him in this action in this escape, and then they quarreled because there were two such roosters, there were two very proud, independent people, a conflict occurred between them, this conflict... led to
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rozunov expelling prishvin from the gymnasium with the wolf ticket and actually broke his fate, or maybe, on the contrary, gave him fate, a truly amazing fate, because expelled from the yeletsk gymnasium, the boy went to study in siberia, there in tyumen, he graduated from a real school, from there he went to riga, where he began to study.
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he served time in solitary confinement, in fact, after that he forever quarreled with revolution, fell out with this revolutionary project and the dream of transforming society on just principles. but another interesting event that happened to him in those young years, they were once sent to practice in georgia, in the region of the city of gore, in order to study how grapes grow to fight diseases, and grapes - such a disease , phylloxera, is present in grapes , and prishvin later recalled and wrote in his diary that in the evenings they drank wine and looked at the young people who danced lisginka, among these dancing... there was one short, stocky young man with backs on his face, well, most likely this is a legend, the meeting of young prishvin and young stalin hardly took place in reality, but prishvin was generally a great placeholder, he loved to compose his life, he loved
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to invent his life, this fusion of fantasy and reality, dreams and reality, this is such a very important trait of his character, which... determined a lot in his life, and after this one-year imprisonment, and his mother, who loved her son very much and felt that from something owes him it turned out that she collected money, sent him to study abroad, he studied in germany, and one day during the summer holidays he went to paris on an excursion, and there in paris he met a russian girl on a tram who lived in paris, her name was... varvara petrovna from malkovo, and this girl, whom he knew for only 2 weeks and these were 2 weeks of such chaste walks along the seine, and this girl played a huge role in the fate of prishvin, the writer, in fact in the soul
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of the poet, but because between them more except these walks and conversations were nothing, they parted, never met again, only occasionally corresponded. but prishvin forever preserved the image of this girl as such an unattainable dream, as some kind of incredible, distant beautiful love, in his diary he returned to her many times, dedicated his works to her, dedicated his stories, maybe you remember, he has such a wonderful poem in prose, which is called phacelia, it is all filled with love for that...
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and preshen was subsequently very grateful efrasinia pavlovna, that was her name, frosya efrasinya, because, being absolutely illiterate, unable to read and write, she spoke such a beautiful russian language, she knew so many songs, fairy tales, she felt the russian soul, the russian element so well that in fact, it was she who discovered russia, this discovery of russia to
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compared himself with such a clumsy hatchet, so he is trying to enter this brilliant society, this cultural environment that does not want him... which pushes him out, because he is a stranger to it, and his literary experiments meet with ridicule, meet with rejection, but preshvin had an outstanding talent, one of...
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to write local fairy tales, legends, songs, which prishvin did and brought from there an amazing story, today we would call it travelogue, a travel story that was called in the edge of unafraid birds. the publication of the book was his first literary success. and then, having caught this success, he moves further to the north, arkhangelsk, solovki, the kola peninsula, norway, he brings the next book, which is called the magic kolobok, with these two books. he wants to enter the culture of the silver age, and what does it mean to enter the culture of the silver age? for
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preshvin there was such an extremely important fact, as if an extremely important pass: in st. petersburg there was a religious and philosophical society that included the elite of the then silver age, the best writers, philosophers, church leaders, priests, they gathered in this religiously. thinker, author of historical novels and author of poetry, symbolist, dmitry merishkovsky,
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it was to them that prishvin showed up with his first two books, with a kind of pass into great literature, but he was not allowed further than the threshold, they said: get out of here, young man , read the captain’s daughter, but prishvin was not easy either, he chose the very right one for his third trip place, it was lake svetloyar, a famous lake in the history... of russian literature and russian culture and in russian history in general, because it is with this lake that the famous legend about the city of kitezh is connected, and the same city that sank to the bottom of the lake when he began to be threatened by an attack by the tatar-mongols, but this legend was very tenacious among the russian people, every year on the summer solstice holiday a variety of people came to lake svetloyar... people, as a rule, these were representatives of various christian religious denominations, they
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they made a religious procession around this lake, and it was a kneeling religious procession, that is, they crawled on their knees, and the lake is not very large, but not very small, about 3.5 km in diameter, so they crawled on their knees around this lake , and they sang songs, it was believed that those who have clean eyes, a pure heart, then... this is how the city of kitizh can see the light spiritually at the bottom of this lake, so prishvin, having gone there, wrote his next book, which was called at the walls of the invisible city, when he brought this book gipios and merishkovsky, and they themselves had visited this lake several years before, the peasants who came there asked prishvin to transfer it to dmitry sergeevich merishkovsky. hello, in fact, with this greeting prishvin came to the house of gipios merishkovsky, they told him: come in,
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come in, what they said about us, tell me, and then prishvin was invited to make a report at a meeting of the society, and prishvin made this report brilliantly, because he was a very artistic man, despite his statue-like appearance, as he called himself, then at some point he dropped to his knees and crawled across the stage, then went down into the auditorium, crawled between the rows, shouting, they are crawling, everyone is crawling, the audience was in ecstasy, and prishin, in a sense, crawled into big. this is the podcast life of the remarkable, i am with you, its leading writer alexey varlamov, and today we are talking about the wonderful writer, thinker, philosopher, mikhail mikhailovich prishvin. prishvina was made a truly great writer, like many writers
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of that time, made by the revolution, the revolution, which he did not accept at first, moreover, in january. in 1918, prishvin was arrested, arrested by the new government, imprisoned in the peter and paul fortress, so he ended up in prison for the second time in his life, and after the tsar’s, he came across an article by alexander blok, whom he ... where the block called on the russian intelligentsia to listen to the music of the revolution , prishvin gave the bloc a rebuke, a rebuke, and then the revolution is a boiling vat, and it is not the artist’s job to throw himself headlong into this vat, as blok did and calls on
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the same russian intelligentsia to do, but the work the artist's job is to stand on the edge of this vat and how... prishvin is first of all a writer with a huge social temperament, another thing is that during the course of his life he hid this passion of his, he hid it in a diary, which was intended for future generations, but nevertheless in the diary, carefully kept by him, all this is read today, and so prishvin diagnosed the russian revolution that
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this is a war between the peasants and the bolsheviks, but it is very important to emphasize that in this war he was sent from... not initially took neither the other side, because by his nature he was such a personalist, an individualist, for him the most important thing was the cult of creativity in man, and he believed that the bolsheviks and men were the enemy of this personal individual principle in man, but in some way that moment, because men - in the eyes of prishvin, you can agree or disagree with this, but his view is such that men carry within themselves... such an anarchic beginning, an anti-state beginning, a self-destructive beginning, the bolsheviks are the state will, but the will is very cruel, in fact, this collision of popular anarchy and this state principle in the bolsheviks, this is the essence of russian history after 1917, at some point prishvin,
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who at that time lived in a russian village and saw with his own eyes the processes that persyuk in his drunken hands kept our russia from collapse, it was his own conclusion, which he seemed to come at the cost of his own... life experience, all this was reflected in his prose, then he still wrote such acutely social fiction, then he wrote a story, this very one, which i already called, the worldly cup, and he tried to publish this story, the civil war had already ended, nep had begun, publishing life had revived, and prishindi was faced with soviet censorship, which
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very strictly monitored what was published in our country, then taught by the filer. .. a wonderful soviet writer, with whom prishin was not exactly friends, well, at least maintained such friendly relations, and so pelnyak, at the request of preshvin, handed over this story to trotsky, it was lev davidovich trotsky, it was he who was then responsible for soviet ideology, for soviet culture and in general for this soviet agenda. trotsky read it and made the following verdict: i recognize the story’s artistic merits, but it is entirely counter-revolutionary. and when prishvin read this, he made the most important conclusion for himself that he would not make a writer who writes on social issues, that he needed to leave. from this social agenda, to get away from politics, to get away from public life, to find a niche for himself, and nature became such a niche for him, in fact, here he is with
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he started from the other side, yes, his first works are also largely devoted to the theme of nature and man, and he seems to understand that he must again return to where he started, it is nature that will save him, nature will protect him, disguise him, and he begins to write these wonderful books of his, such as the springs of berindei, another name for this story is less poetic, i like it less, a calendar of nature, then he writes such a wonderful philosophical poem in prose, which is called zhen shen, where he also sings of this theme of the lost unity of man and nature, in a sense calls for a return to this, but this look at the distorted, but subject to... healing of human nature, this was very important in the project, but the most it’s interesting that, paradoxically, this philosophical, seemingly apolitical,
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asocial, far from the topic of the day, prose met with an incredible response from the then russian, soviet reader, why? because tired of social upheavals, tired of cataclysms, tired of wars and revolutions, people wanted a normal life, people wanted to read about something all the time, people wanted to grab onto some kind of bond, they came on the eve of the revolution and wrote that there was no bond, he seemed to feel that society was collapsing, only migratory travelers had clamps birds that fly, it means back and forth in the fall in the spring, this is this bond in the image of nature, in the image of birds, animals...
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life as a wonderful writer who had everything, he had books published, he had collected works published, he received large fees, he had a wonderful apartment, then he would have a wonderful dacha, he had several cars, he generally loved cars very much, it’s interesting that this writer, seemingly such a natural person, adored the achievements of science and technology, that’s how he drove into extremely frightened birds with a camera and brought from there wonderful photographs of the o... region, and now he traveled in his own car, he had a rather large car, an suv, as we would say today, he drove this suv to
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various places, far from moscow, he climbed in different seasons, seasons, floods, river floods, he has a wonderful story about nature called naked spring, here is prishvin the traveler, prishvin the hunter, prishvin, who himself... in fact , he wrote in his diary that all this was given to him by the soviet government, because it was the soviet government that paradoxically promoted this writer, as if raised this writer from the third rank to the first, because his competitors in quotes either ended up in exile or ended up in underground and prishvin becomes such a very important, very major figure in russian soviet literature, but at the same time it is very important to emphasize: that he does not sell himself, he does not make any compromises, he really found a niche for himself, he found a theme for himself, he found for myself such a position, but
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not this, no matter how it all ends, this is not all about prishvin, everything is about prishvin, as i already said, this is his diary, in which we will find such a short course on the history of the soviet union , i would say full course, starting with the first russian. revolution, because he begins to keep his diary in 1905, and further, the first world war, the revolution of the seventeenth year, the civil war, nep, collectivization, stalin's terror, and life more broadly in the soviet union in the thirties, the great patriotic war, post-war reconstruction , the death of stalin, and prishvin himself died in january 1954 and led his own until the last day.
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wife in this diary, a diary that prishvin, being a very smart, keen-sighted person, understood perfectly well that with his in life this cannot be published, and he addressed this to you and me, and this was his conscious life strategy, a strategy that was at the same time oriented towards the modern world. biography, although it had its own difficulties and one of these difficulties, one of these, well, if i can put it this way, one of the cracks happened, as it seems to me, in 1933, when prishvin was already such a famous, recognized, soviet writer with a rich pre-revolutionary past, and he
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was... 60 years old, in the year of his anniversary prishvin went to the places where he wrote his first book, to that very land of unafraid birds, the volonetsky region, where now everything has changed, because it was there that the famous white sea-baltic canal was built, he went on this trip with his son, and he saw, he saw what was built, he...
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were called ogpu, it is clear that they accompanied him and without their participation this trip could not have taken place, they invited him to speak at such a spontaneous rally. and this was, perhaps, one of the most dramatic moments of his life when he, a prosperous, honest, wise, writer, life teacher, philosopher, found himself in front of a crowd of prisoners, humiliated, powerless people, and he had to... say something to these people, it was very psychological, yes whatever, difficult, unbearable, he tried to find some words, he tried to reassure them, he tried to give them some kind of consolation, he told them that even in these terrible conditions one should not lose courage, one must try to treat to their work, to their activities as creativity. but myself
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understood that it sounded false, he himself was tormented by the understatement, the understatement of what he said, this was such a wound that, as it seems to me, shook his integral, chaste life, and as an artist, he felt at that moment that he can no longer just write about nature and beauty. and dogs, this journalistic beginning of his, this journalistic enthusiasm cannot only be hidden in a diary addressed to future generations, he felt that he had to speak out here now, it was like if only his writerly, human duty was very clear in russian, then he began to write his most complex, most incomprehensible, most painful novel, which later received the name osudareva
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doroga. why was the novel called that? because in fact, the idea to build the white sea-baltic canal originally belonged to peter i. but peter could not do this, although he tried, he tried to do it, by the way, also with very cruel means. prishvin has an entry in his diary that when peter traveled in these places, it should also be noted that these are places that are traditionally the places of schismatics, the habitats of old believers.
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a work dedicated to this labor of forced labor, the situation of forced labor, and the main characters of his novel are prisoners... vairs, guards, the head of the camp, the construction that is taking place, and prishvin tried to bring some kind of harmony into this terribly disharmonious situation, he tried not to justify it, he tried to comprehend it, he wrote this novel for many years, started in the mid-thirties, wrote almost until the end of his life, it was then that he wrote in his diary: there is nothing to do, i am a communist, because after all, this is exactly what he came to do. this is precisely a transitional moment, cruel, difficult, but it is no coincidence that he loved to compare everything, who once kicked out a rebellious,
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anarchist boy from the gymnasium and the boy suffered greatly from this, even though he did not commit suicide. must give to the russian people, the peoples of a huge country will not be able to move further, but the tragedy has brought the writer to a conclusion. excluded, prohibited, and he was simply not given i would probably like to say that preshvin
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has this latest story or a continuation of that story, which you all have probably read, you know, the image is very important for preshvin , a small one, all her life she grew up in the shade of large trees, dense trees, so she grew up very poorly, people who wanted to help this christmas tree, who wanted. a bright, bright light, and what happened to her, she began to grow, she grew
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tall and beautiful, in the same way prishvin was confident in the russian future. trials, through all their adversities, often taking offense and not understanding the meaning of what is happening to her, russia is subject to this growth, development, flourishing, this is what he believed in, and this is how, in fact, he remains in our memory, a writer, a wise teacher, vitally connected with the russian soil, with the russian sky . with a russian soul, that was the wonderful mikhail prishvin, this was the podcast life of the remarkable, i’m with you, its leading writer, alexey varlamov.
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hello, i am. dmitry bak, and i, to my deep happiness, am still the host of a literary podcast, even if not they say, let them read, this is a crafty name, of course, we talk at our meetings, on our programs, but we say it for a reason, but in order to encourage you to read. our guests today are representatives of a new generation of russian prose writers, by the way, there is a poet among them, try to guess who it is while i do. did not reveal this secret. so, our guest today is asya volodina. hello. hello. asya is the author of two wonderful novels, part of the picture and the protagonist. moreover, the protagonist has already been awarded an art theater award, and well, part of the film
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also very popular. in addition, our guest is a literary critic, i’ll tell you a secret, poet, and prose writer evgeny kremchukov. his last novel, the magic choir, was included in the short version. on the list of two major awards, the yasnaya polyana prize and the big book prize. hello, zhenya. hello. well, katya manoila, who just released. his second novel, the wind blows dead leaves, and the first novel has already received a lot of press, this novel is called father looks west, and it was on the long list for the big book award short list of the yasnaya polyana prize, katya, hello, both the lyceum prize winner and the lyceum prize winner, by the way, i didn’t say this about asya volodina, who is a finalist for the lyceum prize. but it’s up to you to decide whether it’s a finalist or a finalist, it’s your
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choice, the main thing is not that, but the main thing is that we are talking today about modern literature. i promised to surprise you with a question, but i didn’t say what, and i will surprise you with it. answer: yes, no. ah, are you a millennial or not a millennial? millennial, millennial. yes. are you a millennial? no. no. you're older than the millennials. yes, by feeling or by passport? and by feeling. by feeling. finally, katya, are you a millennial or not? i thought. first there will be a question, are you a millionaire, well, it’s almost the same thing, i’m a millennial, a millennial, well, that is, 2:1, i’m not, 2:2 you can say, yes, that’s how it is with us, i even think it’s worth coming up with a program, how to become a millennial, i think it will be such an absolutely stunning story, that is , how to become younger, in fact, because a millennial is a synonym for fashionability, youth, well, millennials are those who are the same age of the new millennium, or a little older than... the new millennium began, but i felt like an adult, a leader at the moment when
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the 21st century began, well, this is what we are talking about, we mean this meaning when we say this long word: millennium of the millennium, a millennial is a person who is related to the turn of the millennium, that’s what i wanted to ask my guests: is it possible today to have a unified history of literature, well , some pushkin, gogol lermantov or not, again quickly... answer: yes or no, or everyone has their own literature, asya, no, impossible, everyone has their own, everyone has their own, zhenya, everyone has their own modern literature, yes, modern, of course, pushkin, i think, well, it’s unlikely that an uplift can be staged, everyone has their own, katya, yes, i’ll ask you, asya , well, what actually pushed you to become a writer, i even put this phrase in quotation marks, yes, well, can you imagine, your daughter or... son comes to you and says: mom or dad, i’ll be a writer,
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what do we tell him? shall we answer? wait, what are you going to live on, strictly speaking, and what are you going to study? who will you work for, where will you work, what does it mean to be a writer, that’s what was most important for you? when did this all start? well , actually, it started for me just after i graduated, found a job and , moreover, defended my phd thesis, i had bread, i know that you teach german and... and i taught language rather than literature, but literature has always been my great love, in fact, i studied in graduate school for 3 years, wrote a dissertation on folklore, and i actually got so burned out doing science that having written a dissertation on folklore, a year later i started writing a novel, because this is an excellent occasion, yes, that is, having burned out on philology...
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hello, the news is on air in the studio of sergei tugushev, at the beginning of the episode, briefly about the main thing. floods are being recorded at the port of scarlet waters in almost twenty russian regions, roads and household plots are flooded, and an entire bus has drowned in the altai territory.
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