a little later, this is the spring of sixty -three, and the sixty-second year of the caribbean crisis, all this coincides, it means with a liar, a month later manege, kurucho performs in manege, trashes young artists, this all happens during the period, this is belyutin, this is reality, it would seem , on the one hand, this , on the other hand, such a reaction, all this, well, in general, in the sixties, i brought books, as always, and i’ll even tell you a terrible thing, not traditional, that usually, of course, you remember that in the middle our... every episode of our podcast there is an author’s section, and the presenter there either reads a poem, comments, or shows an old book, and today i’m giving it to a guest, because my guest is igor volgin, who reads it himself, but more on that later, now i’ll just pick up some books , well, here is yavtushenko’s book promise, for example, here is yavtushenko’s book tenderness, it is very important that i have a foreign book, pitching, this is also important, remember what happened a little earlier with doctor

zhivvaga, when the book was transferred abroad, what, well, even tragedy, yes we remember nobel prize, here is a book by andrei voznesensky, my love diary, also published abroad, there is such a selection of, well, erotic poems, but most have been published, that is , there are no barriers, but i remember when my first book of poems was published, it was called excitement, i was wildly indignant, because it was called night... the first issue of the new newspaper literature and life, literature, literary russia was published, which replaced the friendly sharsh with golubkina in the first issue. this was

gusavskaya ballad, it’s written about me, i beg your pardon, there is glory and oil in the cup, look , the poet don’t get drunk, i’m 20 years old, that i ’ll get drunk, but igor volgen still hasn’t gotten drunk, that’s nice, well, he’s drunk, of course, but not from glory, of course, this is a unique, unique historical phenomenon, a unique literary phenomenon, it has not been repeated in the last 65 years, here is a small book called parabola, mandelstam’s book is just as small.

also, yes, the circulation is probably also large, now even prose books have a circulation, even novels, well, 2.0 is good, yes 3,000 is very good , and magazines, when i opened each issue of a new world, we read, because we signed up in the queue to read, solzhenitsyn, well, this is not just nostalgia, it’s not that it was good, it became bad, you can’t say that either, no, no, it was a resonant effect, yeah, of public expectation and literary emancipation. bend over, it didn’t help, we’ll save you, come on, this is how children learn to do the heimlich maneuver, this is first aid for those who choked, you see, the balls flew off, it turned out that we will tell you about how to save an adult child, even children can do this, about many other important and interesting things in the “live healthy” program. on monday, on

the first. happiness is home, it is loved ones, relatives. synonym for the word harmony. oh, this communication with children, their energy, i am charged by it. it's great. we are often confused, if someone sees us, everyone says: “oh, twins.”

so, here is a podcast, let them not talk, let them read, we are talking with the poet igor volgin. still, igor, you know, of course, these are mine reasoning, i’m a seventies man, this is no longer...

i need to write a letter, and seryozha chudakov sat down, an amazing figure, seryozha chudakov, the one to whom brodsky dedicated the death of a friend, although he was still alive, everyone thought that he was dead, well, he died so too, yes, this is such a fringe, absolutely marginal, but with the makings of a genius, and then he read me a christmas romance, i first heard poems quite late, brodsky’s poems, all this, all of this somehow merged, we knew these names, of course, then...

in the seventh year, and the debut was in sixty second, sixty-second year, the same book before the snow, the same year when solzhenitsyn, when brodsky, the book before the snow 55 years old, well, he was a translator, but he always wrote poetry in his head, but he always wrote poetry all his life, yes, yes, but it was such a late debut, he performed in my studio too, but he was already famous then, i would like two more words about vladimir sokolov, mozhelov was published in everything, i’m friends with him, but no, completely different history, but... sokolov was a recognized poet, and everyone was divided into yevtushenkoites and sokolovtsev, that is, such a pop artist, this is yevtushenko, yes, and the quiet one is such a quiet lyricist, he was the leader of the quiet lyricism, let's say , sokolov, i have a book by evgeniy vinakurov, for example, this military generation

is wonderful, an earring with low armor and vitka with makhovaya, not only but evgeniy’s book, the new poets have slightly pushed this wonderful military generation aside a little . slutsky, boris slutsky, who influenced brodsky, not only brodsky, but by the way i remember his debut, you will laugh, i was a schoolboy, here i am just already orenburg’s article appeared about him, he was mentioned for the first time, he was quoted there, a filieton appeared about this in a crocodile , seemingly ridiculing some, then i remember his not only his debut, there was his evening in the slutsk zest, i went, i was a schoolboy, i was a schoolboy. he was in the military, he was wearing a jacket, my arms were sticking out from his older brother, he was on leave, he was from this, he was too big for me from the jacket, i went in this jacket in a nutshell, i saw such a dry, ruddy, mustachioed, retired man

there were 20 of us, and then he read parasitic poems, which are like prose, i was a political worker for 3 years and so, this is a parasitic poet, his debut was also in the late fifties, strange. lines was a political worker, well, imagine, yes, what, what a mood, the work is complex work, they worked it in this way, that is, such prose, such prose, and such poetry arose from this. well, that is , this is such a crucible, a melting pot, yes, where all kinds of people, cosmonauts, poets, translators, marginalized people, officialdom, everything is fused, well, khrushchev himself in style of behavior, with changing moods, then he prints, allows solzhenitsyn to be published, then he destroys the exhibition, well, yes, then, well, he had a lot of moods, well, probably, it’s also worth saying about the leningrad path, the leningrad note, we, however, mentioned dmitry bobushev, anatoly hiring.

with the boys and the jews he goes to the gas chamber, and there he had this stanza: where was your beloved god, or as berdyaev thinks, he is the weakest scoundrel, weaker for the cloudy house, berdyaev. from the country on the philosophical passage nikolai aleksanovich berdyaev philosopher

wonderful, that is, the leningrad note is a little different, then it’s krivulin, then elena schwartz, and so on and so on. it must be said that russian lyric poetry of that time still has two wings: leningradskaya is also very powerful, and well, it’s time from general discussions to finally move on to the poet igor volgin, i would like igor volgin to read early poetry. or maybe about my early days, yes, i read early, but first i want to read this poem, which opens my latest poetry book, it’s like this homomopoticus is painful to show yes, poems about poems, here are collected poems over many years, here are the poems of the late, that is, not not this century and the poems of the last century, so i will first read the first poem, since i am a child of war, a child of war, forty-second year, and i read the poems

that, having accumulated our troops along the way, we carried out a furious ram and broke through to the vistula on

the odor, and that the fascists’ hours were numbered, in the ruhr the proletarians rebelled, but we had already left the ramparts, retreated fighting to kharkov, and my mother , pregnant with me, not expecting help europe, on weekends i dug near moscow, steep trenches full of profiles. well, these are the poems, well, here’s one more thing, the fact is that i had such an incident in my life, i was riding a bicycle along the minsk highway, i was hit by a car, there was a strong injury, there are poems related to this physical and moral. you drove away the shaking, my lovely destroyer, you didn’t even slow down, immediately the light faded, the heavenly evening light shone through, i soared up without visible marks, among the gasoline pores, already virtually immortal, still practically healthy, and an angel in a crimson cloud was already bending over me, there on the highway beyond

odintsovo at the turn into another world, i left you without sadness, unconscious, not remembering evil. but they held the weak soul, the father and mother by two wings, they grabbed as best they could, without understanding what for, and thus the soul was held in the body, it seems like nothing else, even if it went there without looking back, then the trace of this dead i would never lose my grip on her, well, these are the early poems, but how are you now, well, it’s curious how the poet perceives all this half a century later, earlier, i want to say that i... i wouldn’t refuse one line, even what was published in october, in my youth, in the new world, i wouldn’t refuse a single line, here they are sincerely, i don’t know, there are good bad ones, but i i wrote how i felt then, let them not talk about the podcast, let them read it, i’m dmitry bak, my guest today is a wonderful poet, my friend, igor

volgin, then a completely different era came and it was this era that led to what you know. volgina something else after the history department - there was a long excursion into the history of literature and science excursion, here i have a book in my hands, one of many books, the book is called mutual responsibility, but here it is written from five books, the life and death of dostoevsky, yes, this is from five books, from five books, well then they ask me now why suddenly this happened, here are your works, including translations from french into arabic. yes, they ask why this happened, well, it’s difficult to explain, because maybe i felt at some point that i could express myself more fully, realize myself as i don’t know, as a person, as i i don’t know, like who? well, it’s strange, because none of the poets i stopped, and i

haven’t written for almost 30 years, this is important, but i’ll tell you, poetry doesn’t forgive betrayals even with dostoevsky, in general it doesn’t forgive, yeah. but the fact is that it fascinated me in some way, i saw some completely unknown plots in dostoevsky, i even reviewed, say, the situation of his death, the writer’s diary was generally amazing, i wanted to write a phd thesis on the writer’s diary, in the vast world literature about dostoevsky in all languages, there was not a single work about the diary writer, this is a unique phenomenon, then, of course, what is the life of a writer, it is a script, at the end the secret thought of the script works, because if you take...

he said, the whole plot has disappeared, now a seven-volume book is coming out, it has already published six volumes , five of them are dedicated to dostoevsky, this volume that i showed is poems about poems, and there should be another volume, i hope, catherine canal, you have been present in a different capacity all these years, well, so to speak, in the arena, yes , you haven’t published poems, i don’t know, did you write too, tell me about it, but there is

a studio called luch, 55 years old, it seems, we are 55 years old, yes, we are the oldest literary studio in the world, i hope.

i would also like to especially emphasize alexey tsvetkov is also wonderful, alexey tsvetkov, but i would like to especially highlight the name of alexander soprovsky, a two-volume book was recently published, alexander saprovsky through o, the thinker, who accidentally died, so tragically he was hit by a car, young, at a young age. but in my opinion he was not just an outstanding person, close to genius, and even to the elements, not all loved ones and flowers, and vitkovsky saprovsky, it was such a friendship, well, it’s over, how many years, 30, haven’t you written at all, practically, well, oddly enough, i wrote only in moments of mental turmoil, well , for example, when i had a divorce, then two or three appeared, but basically i didn’t write all the time, i didn’t write, i was completely. it was very difficult to break away from this context, these are different ways of thinking, poetically, although, although maybe, i’m now thinking that the poetic way of thinking in

is present to some extent in my prose, i apologize, it seems to me that this beginning was present there not as a method, of course, but as some kind of latent, some kind of latent factor, because thinking, scientific thinking, poetic thinking is in many ways different, but when they come together...

in spite of all formats, we will give the floor to our guest once again, from a new book, well , these are the poems, the father has not gotten up for 3 years, the relatives, as usual, faded away, and the mother, trudged as if he had fallen asleep, he was forced to put on diapers changed. in order not to affect and the mother spun this thread for so long just to bury her father herself, but it turned out that she was called first, leaving for that untold land where there are no benefits, no time, no rules, she whispered: lenya, catch up and. .. my father didn’t force me to give it to you, they left in 2002, and i live, and nothing like that, and the world didn’t collapse, and thunder didn’t strike, they just called vostryakov skolkovo, well, that’s

a section, and i want to recite more poems in memory of yevtushenko , which i wrote, it was 40 days from the day of his death, snow fell in moscow, it was in the month of may, i will read two more, one and one more thing, we, of course, are not to blame for this, it’s just that in may on a certain date, exactly on... your fortieth, the entire capital was covered in snow, like an illegal guest, angels running from the stush, flakes swirled over the churchyard to receive one more of the souls, maybe the blessed ones will enter heaven, the archangels will sound the trumpet from the battle, only the white snows are still falling, as you said, forever closing your eyelids, over the country there is an unknown bliss, the late snows are falling, like the first, purest snow. well, lastly, i want to read recent poems absolutely, the fact is that i’m a late father, i still have a daughter, well, now she’s only 6 years old, she was born when i was already in

this... “we love zhenechka, i know, yes, zhenechka, we’re dedicated she, then, has such a poem, recently it was published in the new world, my daughter, she cries, then laughs, it worked out, then it didn’t work out, it’s sad, you and i will have to live with the future again, let my grave be overgrown with the past, but i burned incense in the incense, i will know that you didn’t forgive me for being so late, i gave birth to you, i i leave your questions unanswered, knowing at the same time that my... beloved poets, i am not destined to honor you, but perhaps, as if for fun, i feel your palm in my fist, i will have time to take you to a compulsory school, i will have only one retribution left , on the other shore, pray that you can, without the money of cronyism, at least enroll in moscow state university, and in the morning, son of lulls, don’t drive my shadow into your neck, it’s just a pity that i don’t see my long-awaited grandchildren like my ears, well, by the way,

do the right thing, listen to your mother, honor your father, my daughter, the last joy of life, which has no end, well, these are the poems, i think this is a very important poem to renew our conversation today, because we are talking here about the connection of times, about how strangely everything comes together, i am very glad that today igor volgin was our guest. igor, thank you very much, i am sure that we will meet again and again, including here. in our podcast, to you, dear interlocutors, i, as always, speak with emphasis, with emphasis, with passion, consider it with pleasure, dear friends, hello everyone, this is a free

program podcast, i, our guests are lyosha, masha, our joy, maria petrova and alexey tikhonov, hello, guys, hello, hello, maxim, our joy - this was us before, probably, but joy and didn’t disappear from us anywhere, okay, just recently this spring the russian challenge tournament ended, where you again gave joy to your beloved spectators in st. petersburg, it seems to me that you felt like before at the competitions, in the evenings.. . the hedgehog and the bear cub gathered at the hedgehog's, then at bear cub, they counted them, they talked about something, how good it is that we have each other, uh-huh, hedgehogs, and you will hear the cry, little bear.

i will definitely, you hear, i will definitely come to you, no matter what happens, i will always be by your side, but i believe that you are silent, hedgehog, bear. no, it was very cool, very interesting, very exciting, for me, for you it was exciting, well, of course exciting, because we haven’t been on competitive ice for many years, and it’s just like that, well, unexpected, exciting and interesting, it was generally interesting to be in this environment with young guys and to feel it all from the inside, it was scary, it was exciting, but then

the first notes sounded... musical notes and everything, and we went into this story, and it seemed to me that they did it quite well, thanks mainly to a brilliant, in my opinion, idea, because in general, thanks to this idea we participated in this project, so maxim, thank you very much for such a suggestion of such an idea, and this is just - what we could to do it precisely in terms of physicality and in terms of acting, and it seems to me that we all got it together. well, in fact, it’s also not exactly 100% my idea, somehow our collective mind of figure skating fans won, and i’m very happy that you came up with such a bright number, by the way, lesh, when you came to masha with this proposal , what was her reaction? very positive, because we both adore this cartoon, this story, and we somehow got excited, started looking for moments, because

the way alexey... botalov, the greatest actor, soviet, russian, begins this fairy tale, it’s fantastic, and we, we initially thought, maybe let him have his voice. “well, there is no for the entire text, there was no his voice, he just started this story in the cartoon, other voices followed, we would like it if we had to, but because maxim tronkov suggested to us that we take words from another fairy tale, by the same author, the words incredible, the words are very startling, the words are real, the words that tug at you inside, here they are, here are many people who have seen this issue came up." they said that listen, guys, well, this, if you’re not there, then i’m not there, like this, this, this is very cool, so we had to voice it ourselves, but at first

it was also scary how it would turn out, i’ve heard alexey’s voice all the time and i know that he will definitely succeed, but thank you, and how on my part it will be possible to voice hedgehog, in principle, i didn’t understand, i had no doubt in maria’s voice.

back in 1994, the championship world took place in japan and there we are in a different century , almost in a different century, thanks came maxim leonidovich and there we first met. i skated for japan with a japanese partner, who was a little even shorter than maria petrova, meter 48, she was yuka kawasaki, her name, and she and i competed for japan, took an honorable fifteenth place , maria petrova. and anton sikharulidze, this was their first debut at the world championships - in adult skating, they were like seventh, eighth, no, eighth or ninth, i’m not exactly ninth, well, that means eighth, and i

looked at the guys, i really i liked the way they skated, i think how lucky man antonulidze with his partner, because they were very suitable in skating, in performing elements, in everything, it was simple... and i’ll be honest, i was jealous and well , in a good way, i was jealous, i understood that they had a great future, that this the couple that will be in the future, probably, well, like katya gordeeva and seryozha grenkov, they were like that, and could i imagine that for more than 20 years masha and i have been together, not right away, not quickly, not right away , not fast. not on the first try, well, many already know this story, therefore, therefore, god be with her, but he appeared in the end, and there was something like that, something happened when we joined together on the ice, still only on the ice, and there was some kind of

fire, because masha was very flexible in terms of creativity in terms of finding some interesting things, tricks... this is a feeling, and it seems to me that many people do this in pairs, because it’s, well , eye contact - this is probably the main thing that people who are going to go now can have to fight and prove that they are the best, well, yes, we had a ritual in the camp, they held hands,

they looked at each other like this while the announcer announced us, sometimes they even said something to each other, and we looked at you live on the tv screens, we were very, very worried and sick, but i also want to say: about what is very important when in the program itself, yes, in the skating itself, these are the sparks that exist between a partner and a partner. between a woman and a man, they spark the whole program, and it’s such a cool feeling when a couple becomes something united, something so unique, and this only happens at the moment, i’ve always been - directly basking in this, but not, probably, maybe not during the program, and then when you evaluate what happened, if, god forbid, it worked out... a successful performance, then this it’s just

delight, inner delight, and you hear the audience receiving it, you feel that the judges are already quietly taking your side, this is great, this is probably an art that you learn constantly, that is, you can’t say, that’s all, we are perfection. in this regard, nothing like that, that is, every time, and the russian challenge, confirmation that you go out all the time and find these invisible strings that open you up, that lead you somewhere together, together with your partner, of course, they naturally immediately began to consider us an age couple, that’s what they said, something like this, well, you’ll ride for 2 years if everything works out. it won’t work out any further, all the time, probably, well, you

rode as world champions for 2 years in 2000, no, to the point that they initially began to think that it was very late, then right here it seems to me that they hung some kind of label that it was too late and somehow they didn’t take us into account, only as a last resort, as a last resort, if suddenly something happened, they didn’t take us into account, but we rode for about 9 years , still somehow. enjoyed the ride maria was our second olympic games, the first salt city in 2002, we took sixth place there, the second olympic games, 2006, i’m thirty-35, maria was 29, respectively, 29 years old, well, i didn’t just expect it either, that we will get to such a time, but there was an opportunity, that is... the younger generation allowed us to hold on

a little longer, a little, and it was delight, it was pure happiness to get to the second olympic games, which were held in turin, it was a very real holiday, for us it was there was a holiday, although well, it’s not for you to tell us, but nevertheless, yes, the skaters, and all the athletes are such green people , little men, walking like this before competitions, then when everything was... alexey made a mistake on the first piste, on the second, can you imagine, i said, here it would be so if in

free program, if, let’s say, only you made a mistake or only i made a mistake, well, how would we live together now, how would you look at each other so sincerely, of course, and sincerely look into each other’s eyes, it ’s like both of us made a mistake, there but the salchow, in my opinion, lyosha, i didn’t do the salchow, i did the double salchow, he did the double tolup, yes one one, one one, no, but the olympic games, it’s great, it was probably our mistake. is that - a little, not a little, the wrong choice was on the musical composition for the olympic season in free program, although they hinted at this to us, we were so stubborn that the competition was taking place in italy, we want italian music, stubbornness sometimes leads to what, what does it lead to, then they changed it to the world championships, changed, almost won, and tatyana tarasova, by the way, we talked to her in the food zone, yes, where is everything.