clearly demonstrate how the number of obese people is progressively increasing, and the most interesting thing is that not many years have passed, let’s say, from 1975 to 2014, and in less than half a century, the number of people among women among men has doubled or tripled , and pay attention, in the seventy-fifth year there were practically no obese men, you can say, yes, yes, it is, there is such an interesting picture floating around on the internet, a beach, a lot of people.

south america, there are significantly more people with obesity and excess weight than is acceptable in southeast asia, that is, i don’t know, vietnam, laos, japan, in this regard , people are more structured, less overweight than africa or america, we are on this list, thank god we are not first place, but there are such interesting statistics for post-soviet countries, and there we differ, with women in second place. place

after one of the baltic countries, and men are in sixth, in last place, in my opinion, there, i don’t remember, among women among men is tajikistan, but it may turn out the impression is that the more economically developed a country is, the more obese people there are, but now the trend is changing and in many countries, say, with less developed economies, the number of overweight people has increased.

from age, from the initial condition, of course, from genetic factors, but with all this, if you pay attention to a woman of reproductive age, with the figure of a guitar, yes, then this is just a woman with such good hips, with good mammary glands , that is, the subcutaneous fat layer predominates over the visceral one, over the one that is in... the stomach, or on the stomach, and this is a healthier state, so a woman of reproductive age with a certain excess of adipose tissue mainly in the subcutaneous layer is a healthy woman who is reproductive, nature is very puzzled by that so that everything is fine with her, because the most important thing for nature is reproduction. zukhra, you said that in 1930 there will be 30% men, unfortunately, 33% - this is according to who data, and these are the women, what is their dynamics? unfortunately, there will be the same more. because there are already

about so many of them now, we have dynamics, i also really like this information on our districts, we won’t present it here, it’s quite difficult to figure it out, but the point is that we have very different dynamics, the minimum number of obese and overweight people in the north caucasus district, in the siberian district, for example, there is the largest number, and here there is such a very important factor that... also must be taken into account, where people live in warmth, well, he potentially moves more and eats less fatty foods, which helps to warm up, yes, and where it’s cold, people spend a lot of time there, move less, but you can’t go skiing or walk there at -30 or -20, well frankly speaking, he is practically in hibernation in front of the tv, yes practically, but that’s why this is also one of the factors that must be taken into account, there are interesting observations.

scientific evidence that people who began to engage in sports intensively, well, as i understand it, these are those people who never before, after some time, and maybe even very quickly, they stop doing household chores very... very intensively, at least on the same day, because they apparently subtly think that since i’ve tensed up in the hall, then accordingly at home, why should i wash the floor there, i will already fulfill my norms of physical activity and so on, so the scientists made an interesting conclusion that it turns out that this is absolutely false, but you cannot replace household chores with physical activity, i agree, if you become the question is that well...

big races, this is of course bad, there is nothing good about it, and i often noted before in the clinic that in the summer practically patients with type 2 diabetes simply disappear, well, they almost never exist, they prescribed themselves more medications in advance so that in the summer they dacha, and the point is not only that they were far from the clinic, they were much less worried about the problems with sugar there, because at this dacha there is constant activity, there is no time for sugar, and even sugar. does not bother, he knows that the person is busy, he is active, everything is fine with weight gain, and accordingly, everything is fine with sugars, if all the other recommendations are followed, it would be good to say here, probably, when we talk about obesity, here i would really like to say what in general is

the main mechanism for the accumulation of adipose tissue, if you get really close literally simply, then remembering our great compatriot... kolomanosov, who, together with lovo azi , discovered the law of conservation of mass, as much comes as remains, well, in a simple statement, then obesity is just about this: if a person eats 2,000 calories and spends only 1,500 calories together with physical activity and some basic needs for the operation of the mechanism, then 500 kilocalories will not go anywhere, they will be stored in adipose tissue, this is how our physiology works, because a person... i didn’t always have the opportunity to have enough food, well , by the way, yes, zukhra, here i would like to put emphasis, let’s still call it, well , some favorable factors, in fact , this is cool, this is great, this is what what us what saves is that our body always accumulates, yes, this, this, this must be taken into account,

it will be very difficult to retrain it, because it is not necessary, well, god forbid, it’s a cold winter, well, now the climate seems to be warmer, yes, yes, yes, again, climate change, but with all this, there are still... real frosts, and i would really like there to be a balance, that is, this is how much we spend, this is how much we should consume, and we what is happening, firstly, food has become very accessible, even in my childhood everything was a little differently, now it is absolutely everywhere, not just at home at your table, but just at every step, it changes a little in its balance. more fats, more simple carbohydrates, all this refined stuff, unfortunately, the phenomenon of sarcopenia is actively spreading in our country, sarcopenia is when muscle tissue is replaced by fatty tissue, and a person is a little jelly-like, he seems to

be slim, but he doesn’t have a sufficient amount of muscle mass, and this is practically the basis of our health, good functioning and sufficient in volume, not only fat, but also... muscle and , first of all, probably muscle tissue, although we also need to emphasize when there is little fat tissue, there is not enough of it, it is in short supply, there will be no less problems , that's about it. will be a little different, but it will also be a rather sick organism with a lot of high all sorts of unfavorable risks, just like when a person has a lot of fatty tissue, so the balance has changed, the regulations have changed, now very often people eat at night and late in the evening, because they go to bed in the morning, but this factor makes its changes, and we are all hypodynamic, we sit here, we take the elevator, we drive in the car. we are in a horizontal position in front of the tv, when we go to bed,

activity has greatly decreased, even something as simple as walking. so, despite the fact that such a basic mechanism is associated with a greater influx of energy resources than consumption, there are a lot of features, we have such a classification, we will not go into in its subtleties, it is professionally complex enough, but so that everyone understands, there are two: large divisions, primary, nutritional, so-called obesity or exogenous-constitutional, it’s more complicated, so primary nutritional symptomatic, here is the primary, most often people are faced with such pictures, obesity in the shape of an apple, obesity in the shape of a pear, but in the shape of a pear - this is when our lower part is so dense, it is typical for women obesity... which is abdominal, it is more typical for men, but this is not this means that a woman cannot have

an abdominal form of obesity, it’s just more common for men, but sometimes it’s mixed and abdominal and pear-shaped, it happens when it’s already very large kilograms, yes 200-300, there’s already a lot of everything everywhere, it’s difficult divide, and there, of course, it is called by another word, morbid obesity, where no one counts any degrees anymore, i once wrote with... and not so long ago, the eighth degree, but that’s not done, i just wanted to show the patient how we will walk with him, just like degree, but remove these degrees, and after the fourth degree, morbid obesity , no one writes anything anymore, so this is one division, elemental and symptomatic, there may be endocrine, but we often hear the patient say: i have something with hormones, sometimes something with hormones really contributes to the development of obesity, and the endocrinologist here... must remove the main reason to help the person get rid of it, but there will still be overeating,

or we often hear such a statement, me after covid or during covid - did i received injections with some kind of hormone, and after that i gained a lot, yes, most often this hormone is a glucocorticoid hormone, dexsomitosone, and which actually saved a person’s life, so they saved a person, there was no time for any subsequent endocrine disorders. it was necessary to save a person, they saved him, but what do those same glucocorticoids do? they increase the level of the main hunger hormone, they often talk about it now , grillin, it even has the same name, you can feel that it is very powerful, this grillin, and it causes an increase in receptors for hormones that stimulate our appetite, and a person really wants to eat uncontrollably, it’s very difficult to explain to him that he shouldn’t eat, he won’t hear, won’t understand everything... his activities, all thoughts about food, against this background

it’s easy to gain excess weight , so yes, there are such options, but there are also medicinal features, sometimes we take some kind of drug and notice that we have become constantly hungry, this has never happened before, yes, when we prescribe certain medications and know what will happen such a situation, without these drugs there is no way a special important story to overcome. it is with the help of these medications that we say: you know, your appetite will increase, please try to limit such and such high-calorie foods so that this set is smaller than it can be, and in this way we will help the patient for the period that you need to take these medications, take a smaller amount, that is, the reasons are very different, according to the laws of war, new series, grigory ivanovich, where are you going, call? from may 1st on the first, this podcast is a hoax

substances, we are talking about obesity, with me is zukhra pavlova, a famous endocrinologist, and i am olesya nosova, editor-in-chief of komsomolskaya pravda, another such, such a frequent statement that we hear from friends, from patients, we have the following genetics: mother , grandma, everyone was overweight and i had no chance of getting rid of it, such situations need to be sorted out. well, monogenic is such a concept, that is , when there is a gene mutation, everything is actually clear there and so, you look at a person directly, there will not only be obesity, there there will also be specific factors. and here it is really extremely difficult to avoid weight gain, but in most 95% of cases when a person is overweight, these are so-called polymorphisms, these are predispositions, and to certain changes, and this is not a verdict at all, here a person should or can know about this, now it’s fashionable to make genetic passports, and there everything

is defined, defined and suggested, well , zuhra, well, isn’t that also family habits? now we'll get to this, so there are predispositions, they are not a death sentence, an informed person knows this about himself and simply, let’s say, monitors his diet more closely, and sometimes, under the guise of genetics, those same family habits, that’s how it is, that’s how it is, yes, when i say, let’s say, to your friend, you don’t need to piss on the onion, these are additional calories, these are the very end products of glycation that we have talked about many times, the broth will be... very tasty if you just add finely chopped onions, carrots and so on , without frying, most often people have such a stupor, and then they think that this will ruin the borscht, it’s just that it’s not borscht anymore, i know, my relatives are the same, yes, yes, we are also rich in culinary traditions, yes, yes, yes, yes, that’s why, when people say

olivier on the new year’s table should be with mayonnaise, i say, well, god bless him, once a year, yes, there won’t be a disaster. everything will react, but there was such an experiment in my family, once my relatives decided to make a conspiracy, went to a fast food restaurant, and they wanted, well, a little to secretly eat something that once seemed delicious to them, so they came, laughed, brought it with them, so to speak, with irrefutable evidence, and i was surprised what it was, they said, we went, wanted there,

what is called quietly eat up, have a blast, but it turned out to be not as tasty as it was before, so... that’s why sometimes it works like that, when you haven’t eaten it all for a long time, you don’t understand why you liked it, yes, there’s a lot of talk about how define obesity, yes, what is obesity, by what classical criteria do we we make such a diagnosis, well, there is a well-known body mass index, this is a calculated indicator of the ratio of body weight, well, kilograms and height, that is, we divide body weight by height in... squared we get a value, depending on the obtained value we understand this underweight, anything less than eighteen is normal body weight, and up to 25 is overweight from 25 to 29, well, figuratively speaking from 30, from 30 to five units is

obesity of one degree or another depending on the togo. zukhra, you thought so, obesity seventh degree, that is, it’s 40-45, you got the seventh degree, yes, listen, and of course he’s an unhappy person, yes, but this person i can already say, he’s already lost 18 kg, we started not so long ago, and well, normal, normal period of time for this, for what period, in my opinion, it seems to me, almost less than a month, yes it has passed, no, no, definitely more than 18 kg cannot be lost in a month, because it is dangerous, it has its consequences, weight is necessary lose gradually, classic - classic such a step is 4 kg per month, but when we use certain medications, this step increases a little, because we are reducing the risks of those troubles that

threaten people who quickly lose weight, so there is no need to rush, remember? zukhra, there are a lot of women who cannot lose 3 kg throughout their lives? there are such women, of course, but in order to start losing weight, we will talk about this in another program, well, just briefly looking ahead, subtract 500 from your current color and you will start losing weight in two sandwiches, but give up from two sandwiches a day and the weight will begin to decrease, well, it all depends on what the initial and weight are, well, different things, but the index. body weight is the parameter that helps us establish obesity, the degree of obesity, calculate, let’s say, cardiovascular risks, and so on and so forth. similar, but not the most objective criterion, because today we mentioned sarcopenic obesity, sarcopenia will not show, it will not show, it will show that a person is

of absolutely normal weight or even underweight mass or insufficient body weight can show, and this criterion can lead us astray, or if in front of you is a budebuilder, yes, you don’t even need to take a bodybuilder, if you take nikolai valuev, but such a well-known... somewhat crafty indicator, parameter, but there is, and there is a more objective one, we can determine the circumference of steel, here

is a more objective criterion for circumference steel, there are certain ethnic characteristics, here for russia, for europe, there are certain criteria, for men the circumference of steel should be less than 94 cm, and women have less than eighty, but this is not the case everywhere, americans have others. their criteria for men is 102 cm, and for women 88, but if and why? is this objectively true or just saying that, well, if you look at the american population, that’s why they are so surprised when they look at our video from the patriarch’s ponds, well, that is, these are such giveaways, but a little, but somehow they seem to me a little , help their citizens, because they themselves are better built, yes, so that at least some part is there. throughout the country, because the same americans are mostly from europe, and at one time, their descendants are already here, but if you have a japanese man or a japanese woman, then

there are different criteria, the japanese are the only nation whose waist circumference should be less than normal than women, their men have 85 , and women have 90, and this is based on some criteria, it is clear that with our own eyes we can understand, yes, that... only excess weight, but not always the waist circumference will help us just as much as the index body weight, if we have a person with archopenic obesity, and here only bioimpedance comes to the rescue body composition analysis, or denstometry , is the most objective gold standard in determining body composition, but you won’t send a person for an x-ray every time to determine their body composition, for example, when we lose weight: this analysis is carried out very often, we we look at what we are losing, because a person can lose both adipose tissue and muscle tissue in the process, going for an x-ray every time is not very good,

therefore, a fairly objective method is bioimpedance analysis of body composition, it does not have any such difficulties, it is technically simple, does not cause harm to the body, and is inexpensive financially. in english - this is resistance, biobiological resistance, that is , a low -intensity current passes through the human body, it does not harm the person in any way, when faced with the resistance of various tissues, bone, muscle, fat, the apparatus calculates the volume of these tissues and fluid, by the way, here ... in fact, it gives such a picture in the form of tablets of beautiful exact parameters there, and we know how many kilograms of muscle adipose tissue, how many

well, a kilogram can be converted into liters of water in the body as a percentage . this percentage ratio is very important to us, because sometimes a person comes and says: oh doctor, i’m like that - i got a wonderful result of bioimpedances, i say: what’s so wonderful about it? he says: i am 70%. i’m made of muscles, i say that you, that you, show me pokansky bedans, apparently, it’s definitely not japanese, no, and so little by little i begin to explain to the person that this is in principle impossible, that’s why the methods we have diagnostics, they are objective, with you again the podcast is a deception of substances, we are talking today about the causes of obesity, in the studio the editor-in-chief of komsomolskaya pravda olesya nosova and... i am an endocrinologist zukhra pavlova. zukhra, let's talk a little more about biompedance. well, what does this mean? it’s simple - poorly calibrated instruments or they are not instruments at all, well, if when a person

receives these. 70% of muscles, but sometimes it’s such a completely banal thing when a person stands on a platform like a scale, but well , that is, it’s like some kind of built-in bioimpedance devices, and this is such a projection of the legs, but the legs are very different in composition from the composition of the rest of the body, that is , bioimpedance in this situation can only measure the condition of the legs, well, that is, where the ratio of muscle fat tissue is measured and 70%. legs, then, mathematically, a device that is particularly objective, completes what the whole body might look like if it were measured normally, yes, so the same, let’s say, bioimpedance, they conducted research, compared the data with densametry data from this gold standard x-ray study, and the data coincide almost completely, so when we explain to the patient that you

notice... you have lost weight in your opinion, but unfortunately you have lost the most valuable thing, you have lost muscle mass and water, so let us still return to the recommendations that were given initially, you will balance food this way, and not the way you want, yes, because a person sometimes, when, let’s say, a decrease occurs, loss of appetite against the background of medications, he begins to eat not so much healthy things, because he doesn’t really want to eat, but rather tasty things, well, this is healthy in itself. if you need to eat few calories, then why spend them on something useful, it’s better to eat something tasty, yes, due to this tasty thing, fatty tissue leaves in smaller quantities, and muscle tissue escapes, oh, oh-oh-oh, like on the scales it can be seen very significantly, the muscles are heavy, and i always tell the patient, please tell me what you see more, changes in numbers on the scales, or you the clothes become big, so if the patient

says: no, no clothes, i’m already the second one there. i change things, this is a very good option, because adipose tissue is voluminous, so reducing the size is a good indicator, even if there are not very many sheds, it is important for us not to see the numbers, yes, they are also of course important, but not a priority, it is important for us so that body composition becomes physiological, so that there is as much fat as needed, by the way, as much as men need up to 24% of normal body composition, and for women up to 31%, and naturally enough. muscle mass, then that's it ideally, this is the ratio, the balance, it is a priority, not so much the scales, but the ratios, because then the person will be healthy, which means that in terms of diagnostics we talked about methods, i would really like for certain parameters to be included in this diagnostics, i often hear, we won’t talk about what tests need to be taken, yes,

because with everything... the fact is that they are largely repeated from patient to patient, each patient has his own characteristics, when a doctor examines a patient, he sees certain signs of certain diseases or conditions, and will add something else, so when they say: what should i take? a patient calls, let’s say, wants to come for an appointment, says: what should i give? and i always tell him: i will first examine you, interview you, and then assign you the scope of the examination. but i often hear from my colleagues when they say that it is pointless to determine some parameters there, they do not talk about anything, well, for example, there is such a hormone leptin, when it was discovered in the last century, scientists had the feeling that a revolution happened, now we, with the help of this leptin, its analogues, will cure everyone of obesity, this is a satiety hormone, but it turned out that when we gave these laboratory

animals this hormone, some actually lost weight, and some did not react to it at all meaning, they just didn’t want to eat, they felt full all the time, yes, that’s really how participation worked, there was no increased appetite, so the rats and other animals lost weight, and some of the rats did not lose weight and even gained it, so, in fact, this hormone, like insulin, is an indicator of the volume of adipose tissue, that is, if you and i see an overweight person with some kind of morbid obesity, we already understand that he will have a lot of insulin and there is a lot of leptin, and the worst thing is that resistance to this other hormone very often develops, tolerance, they cannot act, leptin cannot tell the brain that there is enough food, there is no need to eat more, insulin also cannot ensure

the passage of glucose into cell, saturate. cell and give the hunger centers and other substances there a signal: “stop, we don’t need to eat anymore.” and due to this resistance, there is a lot of glucose in the blood, a lot of insulin in the blood. always hungry, you want to eat all the time , but literally, especially in the evening, when the activity of the same insulin is at its highest, sometimes to show the patient what is happening in his body, this is not such a big expense, but when you show how much the same insulin is screwed up, you can not only calculate insulin resistance, but also to explain, we have such a problem, it is fraught with something, to overcome it with willful efforts, to hold... everything in your hands is impossible, sometimes this is something to show, in medicine there is even such a thing in anatomy exams, to show, such a part, you have to show this visual image for the patient, it is very sobering, it

defines such a boundary, now like this, and if you take another step in the same direction, it will be even worse, there will be diabetes, there will be cardiovascular pathologies, and so on further and so on. i generally draw - how obese honey, yes, i have such a positive approach, no, yes, why not, yes, why scare me anyway? so i’m drawing this sun in order to show that the basis of many diseases is obesity, the sun has rays, one of the rays is cardiovascular diseases, in addition to obesity, a person will have carbohydrate disorders, prediabetes, there is increased glycemia on an empty stomach or... after eating diabetes itself and some other troubles, this will be a violation of the lipid cholesterol profile, and we have fats in the wrong balance, and this will contribute to atherosclerosis, again, cardiovascular

diseases, this is an imbalance of sex hormones, androgen deficiency, followed by erectile dysfunction, reproductive dysfunction and so on, in women this is polycystic ovarian syndrome, which very often develops on... overweight or obesity, this is a disorder, you and i often discussed this at one time, of purine metabolism, that same gout, yes, hyperulicemia, high levels of uric acid, as a rule, in the background. fatty degeneration of the liver, now it is raging, this disease is progressing, hepatosis, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and there this is the highest muscle acid, followed by arthritis, arthrosis, urolithiasis, this is it... it will become more radiant every year increasing , unfortunately, does not illuminate a person’s life on the contrary, so when we start like this, literally, as you know, in a rusty pipe from which it flows from all sides

, closing individual holes, this is of course a necessary measure, but initially we must fight obesity, let's remove this solar disk, everything else will fall apart like a house of cards, well, zukhra, it was very interesting, thank you. i was with you on the podcast deception of substances, my name is olesya nosova, i am the editor-in-chief of komsomolskaya pravda, the famous endocrinologist was with me, zukhra pavlova. hello, my name is dmitry bak and i invite you to a literary podcast, let them not talk, let them read. today we have. amazing program because it is dedicated to space, we read in space, we talk exactly about this, what is space for modern civilization, for modern culture, we understand, but we always remember what space is for russia, what

april 12 is for our country, and i’m preparing for this program, i even thought that our studio is similar to the iss, it doesn’t have no windows, i learned before the program that the windows look... at the ground, we 'll talk about this today, i even think that if we all concentrate, then weightlessness will come, but at least from our conversations, this flight should come, especially with such wonderful guests who are with me in the studio today are oleg viktorovich novitsky, russian pilot-cosmonaut, deputy commander of the cosmonaut corps, who has been in space three times, this is vyacheslav lvovich klimentov. chief curator, deputy director of the museum of cosmonautics, and this is vasily andreevich vladimirsky, book reviewer, science fiction connoisseur, co-founder of the award for the best science fiction work, the award

is called new horizons. hello, the most important thing, it seems to me that space is there is something decorated, the root is the same as cosmetics, we forget it, but it is. despite such a seemingly superficial meaning of this word, cosmetics are a means of decoration; among the greeks, chaos was an undecorated , disordered space. maybe science fiction, maybe

ivan efremov, maybe something else, indeed, since childhood, i have always been attracted to some open spaces, because somewhere before the eighth grade of high school, for some reason, living in belarus, i always dreamed of being a long-distance sailor, i read all the books, in my opinion, there was a writer like makarevich, a two-volume, powerful guy who joined the merchant fleet, it’s true, but nevertheless reached the rank of sea captain, and i lived with this thought for quite a long time, only probably after the eighth grade, when my... my cousin entered the boris glebskoe flight school, a famous school, by the way, and i talked about the life of cadets, about flying, in all these kind of childhood dreams, for some reason i suddenly changed my mind about my future profession and. decided to become a military pilot, began intensively to prepare, i was a little short of height, i stretched out on the horizontal bar, i ran a lot, but somehow there are some restrictions on height, you need to be tall, you have to be of some average height, i don’t remember the standards of the military registration and enlistment office. but i fell a little short of the bottom line, so literally in a season, over

the summer i stretched out very well, i entered the borisogleevsky flight school, unfortunately, then these layoffs began in the nineties, i changed three schools, continued my studies at the egei school, graduated from kachinskoe and continued to serve first in krasnodar, then borisoglebsk for a very long time in the budenovsky assault regiment, so from the position of deputy squadron commander i went to the gagarin academy, which is located here in the moscow region and calmly studied and advanced my skills. military professional level, the air force academy is famous, and before graduation in the spring , representatives of the cosmonaut training center came to us, they assembled the entire flight crew , they said that this year they are recruiting for the cosmonaut corps, and you were already in some military rank, but not knowledgeable, well, well, no, it was enough, maybe it was a little early after all, yes , i was, in my opinion, 32-33 years old and it was a good age to continue a military career, that’s when they offered me. wishing listeners to be selected for

the cosmonaut corps, i naturally agreed, wrote a report for the passage, for some reason i thought that naturally i could not place myself next to such great people as gagarin, leonov, titov, bolynov, what a year it was, it was 2006, but honestly, i had to go to clear my conscience, that i made an attempt, i couldn’t put myself on the same level with such people, so in literally 2 months i passed the selection and i was recognized as suitable for the selection of the cosmonaut squad, but nevertheless they said thank you, you are suitable. i say, what should i do next? can you continue to serve in your unit? i went back to the budeo assault regiment for six months and from there, by orders of the minister of defense, i was transferred to the star city, documents were sent, then you already ended up in the star city, in this legendary place, but still, did you read anything about space at that time or - it was somewhere on the side, you were a pilot, maybe about aviation, i read a lot of literature about military aviation, namely adventure literature, yeah, well, tell me, here’s

a person, exactly in his profession, that’s right, yes, that he doesn’t just go to become a famous cosmonaut, to be on the front pages of newspapers, yes, not somewhere in the last column, it’s on the front page, on the first channel, it happened, well, i never aspired to this ; but nevertheless i understand what it is we also need to do this to tell our students, schoolchildren, and just people there what we are doing, because now information about astronauts, about manned space flight is a little limited, so we try not to refuse anyone from any organization. not a single school, not a single university, convey information to the children as much as possible,

space is romance or work after all, like work, romantic, romantic work, but wonderful, that is, your dream has come true in essence, well, in essence yes, the only thing, perhaps, still left in the number of flights and the time, how much is allotted for this, well, three flights is a lot, this is a lot, yes, but we have how much in total you spent in space, well, practically a year, a year in space, well, i feel it. behave properly next to you, like our other guests, thank you very much, well, now my question is to vecheslav klimentov, vyacheslavich, please tell me. there is probably some kind of dynamics, yes, that’s what’s been happening lately with those who comes to the museum, what do they want to see, space is something else a few places, oleg and i were just talking about this, well, it’s not like every episode of the program starts with shots of the six fireworks, as it was, well, that’s what

people want, what interests them, when they ask me, well, here we are we touched the descent module, and you reprimanded us, so what happened? i say, nothing, and even if you touch more stacks, nothing will happen, and even a thousand nothing, but if so yesterday we received 2,800 people in our museum, on saturday we had one ticket per day, on saturday we it was 3.200 people in a museum, just imagine 3,200 touching, you need to preserve it, not for a year, not for two, for a decade or a century, these are muscovites, these are children, these are adults, these are guests of the capital, these are foreigners, but now... but who is this anyway? you 're looking right at the root, there's a huge interest, not even just in space, i would say in cosmonautics, yes, that is, in the people who make the devices, the people who actually pilot the devices, conduct experiments in space, it's very interesting, people are different , family, a lot of family people, yes, a lot of schoolchildren,

there are a lot of people who just came here to relax, there are very few foreigners, and i ’ll tell you more, but the numbers are interesting... we are already accepting 10% more than in pre-pandemic times, that is, you have already reached this target, not we just went out, we moved on, without foreigners, after all, what is the museum’s intention for some kind of interactive, technogenic opportunities to get involved or to display relics, i prefer one of these, but i won’t say in advance what you know, well, i’m guessing roughly what do you prefer because you a museum man, and a museum literary museum, literary museums, of course, a display of relics, and relics that are generally impossible to see anywhere else, yeah, a lander, for example, a lander, we have five landers, we have legendary squirrels arrow, who proved, these legendary dogs, who then lived 10 years of life, had puppies there, and so on, that in space, life is possible in

space, we have a spacesuit of yuri alekseevich gagarin, we have a spacesuit, in which there is a technological duplicate of the spacesuit, in which alexey arkhipovich went out into the open spit. alexey klipovich leonov, legendary artist, cosmonaut, native of the city of kemerovo, where i spent 7 years of my life, how does it all sound, as you know, we have alexey arkhipovich, he always loved to tell the same story, that when i was 14 years old , i had a choice of who, who to become, and i drew very well, painted pictures, i wanted to be an artist, but i also dreamed of being a military pilot, and we consulted in the family and it turned out that...

this is what around us, or what's in art, or what is inside us, and if briefly, after all, somewhere is the point where modern science fiction starts, of course, we can say that plato also had science fiction, in atlantis in prira, in the cratyle. ..