this is generally strange for a monk, like every bishop is, to seek patriarchal service, yes, as they say in the church , the heaviest cross, but well, he apparently was counting on this, and not receiving it, he really behaved in a completely inappropriate manner, i just i would like to add one more detail, the fact is that in 1992, to make it clear, yes, chronology, yeah, when the council of bishops made a decision in response to an appeal from the bishops of the ukrainian church. that is, a meeting of all bishops, where, having returned to a negative decision by the council of bishops, ukrainian bishops also entered, and filoret was ordered by the council of bishops to make a local church, kiev was accepted, to resign as exarch, and he, which is very important for a believer, before the cross and the gospel, promised to do this, and upon returning to kiev he immediately broke his promise, after which he was defrocked.

here it is simply important to understand, this is what it means in the church there is such a very important concept, apostolic reception, that is, relatively speaking, if you take anyone a bishop or any of the priests of the russian orthodox church, in general of any canonical orthodox church, and we will, as it were , begin to unscrew back, this bishop was ordained there by these bishops there these this priest these and so on and so forth, we will come to one of the apostles, and it means that christ himself, by the time of what i said, that the church was recognized by god, accordingly it is apostolic... apostolic succession comes out, and accordingly, the sacraments of the church, this is what is deprived of his dignity, he is, as it were, from this what constitutes the church, yes, as we say, in a mysterious sense, that is, baptism, repentance, and so on, the seven church sacraments, they cannot be performed by a person deprived of his rank, therefore everything that the philoret did after the ninety-second year ...

and we called him on behalf of petro poroshenko.

i also have people in my battalion, well, who, how can i say, consider themselves nationalists, who are nationalists? well, i have fighters in the battalion, so he - this - killed, right? yes, so, so, he defended his people, and the label, which was glued to him. that he is a nationalist, a fascist, fascists were people too, well, yes, that’s it, that’s it, because who is bender? it was a ukrainian who defended his people, i am from donetsk and many of my loved ones turned away from me, turned away temporarily, when we win, they...

the political authorities, who acted in a logic very understandable to the people, an independent country, an independent church. poroshenko later, in fact, when he was running for a second term, he voiced these three theses, and there, one - what ’s that one? one faith, yes, language, now this the kiev patriarchate is, as it were, legally liquidated, now a new formation, let’s say, is called the orthodox church of ukraine, which was created in the eighteenth year, there were participants in the creation of the ocu, in general, three parties created the ocu, this is the state department, led by mike pompeo, with a representative of, say, the state department, sam brumback, but that’s american. side, the second side is bartholomew i, the patriarch of constantinople, who are vitally interested in receiving a fake tomos, president poroshenko, who was promised that he thanks to the creation of a new one, this pseudo-church will receive additional votes in the elections.

barafalmei did not want to recognize the kiev patriarchate at first. it must be clarified that if the catholic church is structurally united, the orthodox world in the doctrinal sense is also united, yes, but it consists of. so -called local churches, that is , independent autocephalous churches, that is, autocephalous, which means self-leading, mullet head, in greek, auto itself, yes, self-leading, that is, an independent church, but by a certain time, to at the time of the events we are talking about, there were 15 such churches, even these, when you list, say, the heads of these churches, then they need to be listed in some order, this listing order is called a diptych, and it is formed according to the so -called championship of honor. that is, by well-respect and by antiquity and so on, and in the orthodox diptych the patriarch of constantinople is currently the patriarch whose residence is in turkey and where in general there are several thousand actual believers in throughout the country, yes, but nevertheless he possesses this primacy of honor, which

patriarch bartholomew actually interprets as the primacy of power, that is, he perceives himself, well, if you like, in fact , such an orthodox pope, that is, the head of all local churches, which has never happened and which he does not have under there are no grounds, but nevertheless, the patriarch of constantinople gave autocephaly to the so -called orthodox church of ukraine, and accordingly, it united in itself this kiev patriarchate and other, actually autocephalous organization, it was headed not by philaret himself, but by metropolitan epifaniy, who flew for the second time, but he was not yet recognized precisely because...

you probably waited until he finished the conversation, well, the phone became free, and accordingly we dialed him, what’s interesting here is what the main meaning he puts into the creation of this church, let’s listen, i am for us to start reforms in the church, so that this conservatism does not exist, so that we move away from this russian tradition, so that the church is open. for the church to be like to the spirituality of the ukrainian people, because we are moving towards europe, therefore , in politics we must move away from that russian conservative tradition, because russian

orthodoxy is, as it were, far from the people. what do you think about lgbt acceptance in your church? well, this is kind of a difficult question that we shouldn’t raise at the beginning of our journey, because ukrainian society, you know, how it perceives this question, it says: our closed russian orthodox church will be open, here’s a conservative one, we have priests in the church not they expel them, they don’t beat them, they don’t drive them out of churches, what did they do, what did they do? we will do everything, that is, at the very beginning they

lay the foundation for the activities of their organization, incomprehensible to everyone, to follow this path, he is ready to kiss any cross in order to remain in this position, he is absolutely not interested in questions. faith, religion, canons, he is interested in only one thing: power, the struggle for this power, he will cling to his teeth, but these teeth, perhaps, are not so strong, what is this epiphany for and how has he even appeared on the ukrainian agenda? if the philoret who ordained him in quotes, huge quotes, once had a legacy, then lost it because he was excommunicated, then this never had, never happened, recently, by the way, the philoret is now 95 years old, he is alive, the lord is still waiting for him to repent, but by the way, recently it became known about the separation between dumenko and the old philorette, then out of resentment he said: “well, okay, i’m not canonical, but then who are you, i

ordained you all,” he’s nobody at all, you know, no one baptized no one, how he immediately understood where the wind was blowing, how he immediately flirted, only the word europe he heard everything, this is generally the root feature of ukrainian nationalism as such, the master will come from europe, and he needs to please, people who walk to church, yes, they believe that they receive the grace of god there, yes, they believe that... god helps them, they communicate with god through these very sacraments, yes, so epiphanius all these other pseudo-priests - it’s just pure mummery water, so schism is a tragedy for the church consciousness, the problem is that there is nothing real there, there is no religious content behind it, they were created as an organization that should unite all believers, but this led to the opposite, to what we see is happening now with temples. in ukraine, how the sbu, other special services come there with searches, yanavich, you

, too, even ended up in prison for your beliefs, well, yes, it so happened that the command was given to simply tighten your mouth and my program, which was precisely what was talking about, that ocu, this is a false church, the kiev authorities gave you 12 years for yes, which means then you. exchanged, accordingly, yes, i was exchanged with the military, with russian prisoners of war, the main creator, after all, thanks to whom this all happened, is the united states of america, and the state department, and directly, the ambassador for religious freedom of the united states, sam brownbeck , it was he who went to bartholomew before, it was he who persuaded him, it was he who carried out his consultations with various organizations so that thomas would be given namely the ocu. now this man is retired, he heads another religious

organization, we decided to call him to ask how he feels about what is happening now in kiev, and we called him from his old friend, glad to see you again, guys, you demonstrated the world has so much courage, fighting against russia, i am very impressed, very impressed, you should know that... faith gives us such courage, and this faith has become possible in our country also thanks to your efforts. my office remembers secretary of state pompeo and also the administration of president trump remember you. well, we want to be as helpful as possible. people here have questions, especially about a proposed new law that would close a number of churches in ukraine. maybe you can help me understand why this is so necessary. now some people are worried that this is giving

some republicans a reason not to support aid to ukraine, so i'm wondering if you think it's necessary to pass legislation to close down those orthodox churches that are associated with the moscow patriarchy, this is not my law, exactly, this is the law. the question is just being raised that why do we support the project of the democratic

party so much, because zelensky, modern ukraine, everything that is happening there, this is the party’s agenda, i created a church, in general, this next phrase says that you created this yourself, he is not responsible for it, but everyone knows who the main supporter of this whole process is, he likes to feel that he really did it, he immediately understands that... republicans, this is the deep american people, he will never support this. the law on the closure of churches, what kind of law is this, this is what he talks about, what this law gives, and this law says what if it is adopted. this will enable the authorities to judicially liquidate religious organizations, that is, specific parishes that are affiliated, as the law says, with organizations whose center is located in russia or, as they say, in the aggressor country, legal explanations, what this means affiliated no, well,

that’s why of course - all this will free up your hands, which called, yes, now? unleashed, this is of course, here you are showing all these footage, this is where they are going crazy, they are jumping or in desolation, something is coming, the bet of all those globalists and those who are doing all this in ukraine to make it a blitzkrieg did not work , but it couldn’t be done quickly, so the whole world, the whole world, all the people, they see that this is not just a crime, these are already crimes against humanity, and most importantly , these crimes have no statute of limitations, let’s see,

the first one to apply to bartholomew, and he always said: no, as he motivated, he said: well, the russian church cannot do anything, we will come in and we will heal the schism, we will restore peace, and we will do everything. that’s why our patriarch went to him to explain that this wouldn’t happen. it happened as patriarch kirill warned. but none of bartholomew’s promises came true. and the second important point, just look at the so -called tomos and the autocephaly that the so-called ocu received.

if you distort, he will make a sieve out of you, so i categorically order you to lie down, that’s good like, that war is gone, i can’t do it anymore.

this is the vavan lexus show and we continue. we spoke about religious freedom with samm brownback, the us ambassador for religious freedom under trump. who created the orthodox church of ukraine, and he just said that it is very important to emulate the greek orthodox church. not long ago, the greek authorities passed a law legalizing same-sex marriage,

and the same thing now threatens ukraine. we decided to ask sam brownback what he actually thinks about this and discuss just these same religious freedoms. the main church, as you know, is, of course, the greek church. therefore, we need to count on them. the greek government passed a law on same-sex marriage. i believe that whenever this happens to any church, it divides the church, it kills the church. i, i believe that the highest point has been reached in this matter. i think this is due to the fact that support for this movement in the united states has declined. it began to decline. i think we 've seen a climax, especially in relation.

mr. brownback is more conservative than the so-called metropolitan epifaniy. and even the republicans are shocked by what is happening with their, let’s say, invention, which they introduced into the ukrainian agenda. here's what brownback thinks about the laurel and what's happening there now, let's look at the excerpt. what do you think about what we should do with lava, the main temple of kiev? honestly, honestly, i think you should.

"i'm not disappointed at all, i thought it should have happened 500 years ago, but i was glad it happened, i thought it was obviously what is necessary, and for the national creation of ukraine is very useful, to have your own orthodox church, i think this is very important, sent a clear signal, it is called in diplomatic language, that is, but it says very clearly "what not to do, what already done, yes, but here’s the problem , people of the democratic party are sitting in kiev and their curators tell them other things, this is also important

to understand, because they are not at all worried about the situation in religious aspects in ukraine, every post begins with some kind of a new wave of persecution of the lavra, what if look, it was during the nativity fast, then... peter's fast was also persecuted in the summer, there is a prophecy that when the last monk is expelled from the lavra, a dam north of kiev will break through and it will be washed away, but how? brownbeg sees

the future of ukraine, let's see in the next piece: what will your territory look like, will you become part of nato and the eu? i would say that the most important thing you need is to become part of nato and the eu. i think you should be there, and for me this would be the most important point of negotiations, this part. do you think there should be some kind of ceasefire ?

"we will seek a ceasefire, to do this we need nato membership. you have done a wonderful job of asserting your nationhood, your masculinity as a country, but there are a number of people who believe that this probably will not happen. i am very frank with you, and this is not something i agree with. i'm just telling you that this is my feeling, i think that..."

but there is a part of the territories of present-day ukraine where mainly russian-speaking people live, and this territory will not remain part of ukraine, i don’t think so, this is just my feeling of sentiment, i would just like to ask you, are you proud of what we have done together? well, i’m also proud that we did this, what worries me is that this was one of the reasons why putin started the war in the first place, there are actually a lot of contradictions in the words, i seem to be proud, but it seems not quite , it seems that you need to conquer the entire territory, it seems that you don’t, but you definitely

need to...

the christian agenda, with the blessing of in the sacred beginning, i left odessa, came to moscow, and here, by his holiness the patriarch , i was appointed rector of the moscow church, life-giving. i see only the complete liberation of ukraine from such people in odessa, in any case, there is no such power and the future of this country as russia decides, as it deems necessary, correct, and of course my position is prayerful. “all of ukraine must be part of russia, only then will we ensure the unfettered existence of our russian orthodox church there, freedom for believers, and let's return her historical appearance to the way she always had, being more often a saint with a part

of holy russia. thank you very much, thank you for being with us, but we hope that the church schism in ukraine will end soon, and bright times of unity of faith will definitely come." and for the full conversation with the american official, watch on our social networks, all the best, see you, hello, dear tv viewers, you are watching the triggers lab podcast, its leading psychologist, tatyana krasnovskaya, psychologist and psychotherapist sergei nasebyan, is with us. our guest is yulia, hello, yulia, hello, tell us what you came to us with? i came with such an interesting request, i don’t know what to call it, it’s a diagnosis or my fears or my beliefs, in general, it

seems to me that i have a childish position, that is, i seem to always expect from someone that some of my questions will be resolved, for example, there is a job search, that one of my friends will offer me something, yeah. or, for example, my man will solve these questions for me, until a certain period i had a dad, who i helped, i have a feeling that i have no training, yes, it’s like doing something myself, but with everything that i expect, for example, from my man, that he will somehow solve my financial issues , at the same time, i can’t voice my requests to him, ask for money, well, that is... for example , say there, give me some amount for this for that, that is, for some reason i’m ashamed to do this and i’m a little confused in this, i also have the feeling that when looking for a job , i also don’t seem to allow myself yes to ask for some well-defined level

of earnings, due to the fact that there is no internal permission, this is how i broadcast myself, well, that is, this is how i see myself inside, this is how others apparently see me, this is my request. tell us a little about your family of origin, what kind of relationship are you in now? i have two parents, a brother, a brother 8 years younger, so i’m the older sister, the eldest child, in my relationship with my brother it turned out that my mother worked for us, there was a difference of 8 years and i somehow she was partly a parent to him, dad made good money, supported us, mom also worked. but from a certain moment, when i now analyze, well , my past life, i understand that, well, for example, many things were not done according to my desire, yes, it was not my choice, but just how would have followed the path of least

resistance, that is, they chose a university where they could place me, and guarantee me, but they could do the right thing, well, that’s how it turns out , i got married, i got married at the age of 19, you also found a groom groom? but no, we somehow found ourselves, but it was at school, that is, we dated from the age of 14 , then at the age of 19, i was 19 years old, he was 20, we got married, lived in marriage for 25 years then separated, i have two children, the eldest son is 20 years old and the daughter is 16, at some point i made a decision for myself that i would go, well, let’s say, on a long maternity leave, that is, i was 8 years old before... i worked with children, like it seemed to me that she was an ideal mother, well, then it happened that at some certain moment the need arose to go to work, because well, that was my financial situation, and i realized that at

the age of 45 i went out, i had no self-doubt, my skills were lost, that is, all i could tell myself was that, well, it’s kind of like me a good mother, but then over time... naturally, as there is such a joke, yes, that if you have a mother, then you will definitely meet with a psychologist, the children began to grow up and why the joke, did they? feeling of guilt that you are starting to analyze whether you did everything like this, this is where i am shaken, i am a good mother, well, in the end, i came to the fact that people there at 45-47 years old are summing up some results, but i don’t seem to know where i am, well, that is, you obviously don’t like the results. apparently yes, yeah, i like the kids,

i don’t like the results, i don’t like the results, yeah, yeah, so i still can’t get my bearings to get on the rails and feel, well, self-confidence, let’s say, there’s a little bit of a feeling of being lost... then your divorce happened, the divorce happened, i was the initiator, relatively calmly. well, quite a serious decision for a person who doesn’t know how to make decisions, why are you have you decided to divorce? i just began to understand that i was unhappy in the relationship, i began to understand that i did not give my first husband anything, well, that is, as for a man, i understand that it is still the woman’s support, faith in him, it is important, here i am, that is, you withdrew yourself, i did not experience these feelings for him, well, let’s put it this way. he disappointed me, or, as you say, i don’t

like the results, so mutual understanding was also not achieved, and well, i didn’t want to do that, because i didn’t want to to be sick, i didn’t want to expose the children to stress, because up to a certain point there was an opportunity to somehow level it out, and hide it, although the children tell me that they still, well, how did they feel it, uh-huh, so you said that he... disappointed you, in what way, what was the initial expectation or charm? well, material issues, that is , somehow, well, conditionally, let’s say, there was such an initial agreement that i would work with the children, but he provides our rear, but it so happened that in at a certain point the situation changed, and i had to go to work, the situation changed in the sense that he was not able to provide for your family - at the level that is necessary, yes, yes, uh-

huh, that’s it, and, well, this entailed some specific ones, maybe we just weren’t able to cope with this situation as adults, yes, since we had an early marriage, maybe we were, well, sort of stuck at that age, yes, that is, we grew up, but adults haven’t learned to solve problems, perhaps, what are you crying about now? i'm crying, i feel sorry for myself it’s not that you’re crying, you’re 45 years old, you have healthy children, why do you feel sorry for it, well , it’s as if that’s clearly not how you imagined being 45, well , somehow yes, i don’t like the results, i imagined that i understand where to go, i imagined that i would have some kind of vector, i imagined that there would be some kind of, well, some kind of feeling of reliability. i imagined that there would be support, yeah, all this support

, reliability was essentially built on my husband, on my husband, on my dad, yes, well, first on my dad, then on my husband, well, my dad did the same for us, he supported us, yes, but you knew, yes, how by the age of 40, they would have guessed that dad would die, husband would die, everyone would die someday, how could one build a support on someone who would die, well, the question is, how could one build a support on someone who would die, well, come on let's talk about this with you, how you built a support on... i don't know, there's an ear of clay there , relatively speaking, maybe i didn't think about it before, that is, while everything was fine, well, everything was going well and not those same questions arose, dad helped, as i understand it, up to a certain point in your family, yes, yes, up to a certain point moment, well, it turns out that he was like, well , for me, maybe in the subconscious, just like a support and some kind of support. and then it happened that i went to work

and a pandemic happened, and i was...