russia was not ready, she, that is, of course, a revolution, i don’t know, there pestel would have become rabespierre and would have executed apostle muravyov or muravyov the apostle - so to speak, would have executed rabespierre, so to speak, i don’t know, it’s difficult to predict, it’s difficult and the surname here is in general, i gave it purely conditionally, because the revolution simply finds its hero in the crowd. talented, and then these heroes, well , as you know, as he said, are devoured, so to speak, all directions of social thought were forced to determine their attitude towards decembrism and were inevitably taken into account attention to this decembrist ethics, yes, these in fact, in general, lack of silver, according to which we must give up our own privileged position, in order to, even at the cost of our lives, adoevsky exclaimed, which answer:

russia and the west on the swing of history, pyotr romanov and sergei solovyov were with you, we were actually talking about people who were very few in number, but who, as our conversation today probably showed, had a very great influence and still do in a certain way degrees continue to influence. on our history,

study history with us, together with the historical podcast russia and the west on the swing of history, all episodes of the podcast russia and the west on the swing of history can be viewed on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru. hello, i'm pilot-cosmonaut anton. shkaplerov is a space history podcast. russia is a great space power; it never ceases to explore new horizons in the space industry. the first artificial earth satellite, the first man in space, the first woman in space, the first spacewalk, first dockings , finally, the first feature film shot in space. it's russia. today my friend, cosmonaut pilot, hero of russia, oleg, is visiting me.

graduated from my ictu named after baumin and i followed this path, got an education, but before i got it, i had a very good meeting, so significant for me, i met at a lecture with vladimirov aleksevich solovyov, who is now the general designer of the rocket space corporation energy, and he is also the head of the flight and he talked so interestingly about space about...

the discovery struck you most in astronautics? i think the coolest discovery is that the life that we have on earth can survive in space, under aggressive factors, such as the factors of space flight, under radiation, i will come - yes, microorganisms that were found during the experiment test - this is one of the simplest, most interesting , most... favorite experiments that

only an astronaut has, because, first of all, there is a discovery, yes, that one was brought to the outer surface of the station, such plates, well, that’s what it is. boxes into which two probes were screwed in, and these probes were unscrewed from the outside, smears were made, then screwed back in, then returned to the ship, to the station, then returned to the ground, then in laboratory conditions they realized that there were microorganisms there, this discovery, it made it possible to raise the level of the earth's biosphere to the level of a space station flight of up to 425 km, now we have... i think it's not so difficult, so it will be necessary to get there; our next development of astronautics will help us with this, i hope. oleg, before becoming

an astronaut, you worked at the energia rocket space corporation in the department that deals with external activities. tell me, our spacesuits are eagles, yes, are they? it is being improved all the time, compared to the first spacesuits, uh, which were for going into outer space, now modern, what are the differences, differences, but the basis remains - that we go in from behind, that is, we open the door and there - as if we put on him, let's go, that is, we close it ourselves, that is, this concept has remained, but since those times, since the time of the first spacesuit, which was being prepared... for the moon, for the exits of those, it, of course, has gone far ahead, it has become more convenient, modernization is constantly underway, the control systems are constantly being modernized to make it more convenient for you, more convenient to work, because it is quite rigid, uh,

now new sleeves are being tested to make it more convenient to work, then the early modernization of the spacesuit, it has climate control, then there is a previous system the spacesuit you had to constantly change... well , yes, manually adjust, yes, change the temperature, because the intensity of work outside the station changed, that is, you either rest there, then you get cold, you need to make it warmer, or when you work hard , you need to cool down, now this is no longer necessary, you set the climate control to one temperature, it works, by the way, only we have an american one, there is no american one, now there is a continuation, modernization does not stop. because, firstly, there is such a thing as the remark of astronauts after exits, yes, they always suggest some things that would improve these spacesuits, and the designers listen to the comments and modernize the spacesuits, if possible, well, now there is such a problem

that, well, it’s not really a problem , and new materials are replacing old materials, so the spacesuit already needs to be upgraded with the materials that are available. then these spacesuits will be used further at our new station there, then we have alien activity ahead when we we’ll fly, we’ll work on the moon there or on mars, we’ll also need spacesuits there, we’ll put all the best developments that we have into new spacesuits. i know that you took part in experiments on the ground, march 500 twice, and the first time it was 2 weeks, the second time it was already 150 days. i was in isolation, tell me what the essence of these experiments was and what new discoveries may have been made? this is a purely psychological experiment, why it was called mars 500, because right now the level of our technology and those the projects that exist, they allow us

to fly about 200-odd days to mars, work there for a month and return for the same amount of time, that is, it’s about 520 days, and the most important part of this space flight... it must be done like this , so that the crew returns alive and healthy and completes the flight program, that is, this is safety, but so that this is one of the most dangerous elements of our entire space flight, and close to the ground, on long-distance flights, it is the person himself, that is, one must be able to survive in team, and this one the experiment was just a psychologist, there were six people, and well, in fact there were a lot of different experiments, it turned out that the most optimal... crew, when there are the least conflicts, the least such non-fulfillment of programs, such exolution experiments, is when the crew is from four to six people, so we initially had one like this, and this experiment allowed us to work out the element of selection for such a crew for

a long-distance flight, for an interplanetary flight, so that the flight program was carried out with the least conflicts within the crew, this a very interesting experiment and... a good project, and it’s very cool that it is ongoing now, right now right now there is a year-long experiment going on, called sirius, this is already preparation for the moon, he too - who are coming up with all sorts of experiments, research, they are very interested in the behavior

of people in such conditions, this is one thing, and secondly, one of the tasks of my isolation experiments and those experiments that are now is to test the experiments before they get to the international space station or further into the future, that is, they can now be worked out on the ground with those people who work here in a confined space, and how can this be worked out? this is all within the framework of the sirius experiment, yes, this is all within the framework of the sirius experiment, that is, when i was on mine, my experiments, those experiments that i was working out then, i later met them on board the international space station, i was it is many times easier to work than for my partners, that is , i already knew these experiments, knew those people who came up with these experiments, supervised them, this includes prevention, these are all sorts of biological experiments related to human physiology. experiments, not

just like that, we took it and sent it, but the methodology, how we do it, what sequence, all this is worked out in isolation rooms during the sirius experiment, we touched on the psychological part, yes, that is, psychologists made huge conclusions about the number of crew members, i don’t i know by gender type how much. experiments, only one girl, in the main experiment there were only males gender, now these are the experiments that are currently underway, they are in half, there are in half, there are somewhere more girls, somewhere there are fewer girls, well, they look how they get along with each other, each experiment provides food for... so that scientists , well, we made some conclusions about

what the composition should be. what is the difference between sirius and mars? saturation, new equipment, that is, the fact that we did tests, wrote in writing, now this is no longer there, now all this is computerized, this is once, then the use of artificial intelligence, necessarily, that is, you already kind of use it to... process this data, then new experiments that appear and are being tested now, which did not exist then, then, now the appearance of new equipment, then that’s when i had any pro a 3d printer, we were just dreaming, now it already exists, then what else, well , science does not stand still, that is , the tools that scientists use, they are all new, that is, the culture of handling the same 3d printer is simulators, simulators , new simulators, that is, we only had

a treadmill and a regular strength training machine, now this is a training device that can be installed there at our new russian station, that is, constant development is underway, that is, sirius is radically different from mars, uh, just a new level, yes, well, idleness, new experiments, yes, it’s the same as if you take the world. and the iss, yes, that is, the service module is like, it’s like one, but the filling is completely different, there it was analog, but here it’s digital, that is, this, that is , this is a completely different level of work, here’s alec he said about artificial intelligence, how it was used in the experiment, maybe you know examples of use already in space, data processing, that is, this is you in space , yes i used it, but i had access to the internet and of course i came to it in a very interesting way , i... saw how my son was doing these homework very quickly, and i

looked, he was just asking questions, a chat bot , well, it’s true with old data, but it’s quite complicated, well , he noted well, these are social networks, which are for us, well, since 2014, for the astronauts, well, like work with us, yes, we need to lead them, then the description of the - to the post posts, you can ask a question about the ... area over which you are flying, to the artificial intelligence, and it answers you, well, really, here you need to keep an eye on it, of course, because sometimes he has this thing with geographical coordinates with names. he has these gaps, maybe he needs to be checked, but what do you think, in the future, where artificial intelligence can manifest itself, i mean in space, of course, well, i think the first thing is for the safety of the crew, in order to monitor the parameters of the systems that surround you when you are flying, that is, you know that we are not not on duty,

yes, that is, like a submarine, we do not have duty officers there who are on watch.

here this will be your assistant, when you are completely autonomous, it is clear that the person who or the crew who will fly to mars there to the moon or even further, they will already be trained how to behave in emergency situations, but such an assistant, like artificial intelligence, it will allow the level of survival to rise to another level level, of course, we continue to talk about the future of russian cosmonautics with oleg. artemi o russia is starting to build its russian orbital station, yes, well , tell us what has already been done, what will be done, well, what problems will it solve, i’m very glad , all the cosmonauts who are planning to fly on it, we are happy that we have it has a polar orbit, what it gives is, firstly, it

will fly over our entire country, and not only the country, but in general over everything on earth. we'll fly by, it's very cool, because that the station that is now flying, we are only 20 percent, yes 25, we are a percent of our country, we can observe and see well, well, yes, murtazin was here as a guest, he told how he punched through what was exactly needed, not us orbit, many were skeptical, they were afraid of radiation and so on, no, you see, sometimes people see it a little narrowly, here’s a person like murtazin, those people who are involved in astronautics, they live it. they understand immediately, they understand what it is, that it is necessary, that this is exactly how it should be done, that is, it’s like a beautiful ship, then you understand why it was done exactly this way, and this and the station should fly exactly like this, especially since this, well, this is our kind of station, which is right above our territory, this is very cool, and the fact that the station, well, just recently there was

a meeting with our president’s space rocket, right? that is, that it was approved, approved, yes, this, this in general, this is one of the most joyful moments this year for the most important thing, funding was approved, more than 600 billion rubles will be for this whole program, and the president said, there is money, continue and work, one of the most joyful moments this year, lucky for our rocket and space industry, lucky that it was approved to the highest level, how is it on the president’s pencil, how construction is being carried out , because they said, exactly one year is given to you for this preliminary design, exactly a year later there was a report to him that there is a preliminary design, we calculated how much money, he approved it, we continue, we all understand what we need to do in what direction to work, now the second is the fact that this station will take the best

from the previous stations that we had , salute, mir tamk and... it will have open architecture, what does this mean? these are the stations that flew with us, they were always limited, some were for a year, then there were for 5 years, for 3 years, then for 5 years, this iss station, it was for 15 years, well now it is already over 25 years, already 25, that is, it has flown one and a half times, almost twice as long, and is still flying, this is the station that will be ours now, it has no deadline at all, that is, it can be said to be immortal, limitless. what is this connected to, the base of the station, this is the station control, this base unit, it is replaceable, that is, it is open, you can undock, change that mod, and the node module and... well, the technology does not stand still, we have it all the time a general technical revolution is underway, every year

we learn something new, some new materials appear, some new thoughts, maybe another korolev will be born there, he will come up with something else. , and we will continue this station further and further to modernize it will fly endlessly with us, is the project open or will only the russians fly no, well, it’s clear that now it’s... yes, a russian orbital station and a service station, but i think that those countries that are friendly to us and those that support they have a good relationship with us, the path to this station will always be open for them, in order to work and for there to be international cooperation, this is mandatory, this module, which is inflatable, assembled, transformable module, well, we have developments in our our industry is on the iss. b even he has been flying there for a long time and has been flying there for a long time for inspections, but the only thing they want to do is make the hotel inflatable, the only negative in such

modules is that of course there is increased radiation there, well, there is radiation in space itself, but in an inflatable module, it has minimal protection , that is, of course, there a person receives a normal dose, so the module that we have in the project, it will most likely be some kind of warehouse module for some - well, replaceable elements, resource elements, and sooner or later it will appear, now at this stage, which we see from the construction plan of our station, that is, it is not a priority, in some way in the future it will be, first of course we need to make the basis, and then think about launching a transformable module, i know that when they organized the world with salute 7, that is , the last salute, there was approximately 800 kg of equipment. transported - from the station it salts the world, well, in order to demolish, well, the most expensive, the most necessary, it was yes, yes, can they do this with the iss, so that it grows, yes, here you are

it’s great that i remembered this operation, it’s a unique operation, because i don’t know anything else like it, yes, and just like we already mentioned, vladimir aleksevich solov, he just participated in this skizim, it was an important event, and we have it of course, it’s unlikely to work, because these are completely different inclinations, but here, if it’s like this... you already remembered murtazinov, he probably said that the biggest costs are fuel costs - this is just to change - the inclination, and of course it’s unlikely will we have it, the only thing we can do is, if well, i so, if you imagine and load all the most valuable things that we have on the space station into some module, then undock it with a truck and lift it into an orbit where it would fly . endlessly there and when there is an opportunity, when we have such means, where, when we can calmly fly in the open-earth space and not think about the fact that we have

high fuel costs, then we can someday fly there to pick up or for earth museums or for museums there are moons, these are the things that would be the most valuable there on international space station, but of course i think that this may not be in the project. dream, that is, it will turn out that ros will completely consist of everything new, yes, everything new, everything that was worked out on the international space station, everything that passed this certification on these flights, because every flight every day, so which passes, it gives some advantage to the equipment that we have working on the international space station, and thanks to this knowledge we do that new equipment and equipment that will fly to russia. what are you and i doing for rus? we are preparing, we - we are participating in the project, the cosmonauts are directly involved, yes, it seems to be a project, well

, as i understand it, it’s general, yes, which means like, it ’s not, it’s there, it’s all ready, it’s almost protected, with the cosmonauts, how do we get to know each other, because every cosmonaut in the cosmonaut corps is like an expert, an expert in space, we are sent the entire preliminary design that is there, and we read it, do it and don’t interfere, you, you personally do something brought in, i had a wish that we have a module for physical education classes, that it would be all transparent, yes, that we would fly,

that a da... dachny module, which itself then darkens, like in these science fiction films, then it will appear on ros will be worked out in order to move on later, well, there is a version of a commercial module that will be specially made for tourists, it will be, they will have separate cabins there, there will be a lot of portholes right there, in my opinion two they want to make domes, yes yes, well let's see, we'll see, we'll live, we'll see, but in general, design is now being done by someone specially

hired. students, yes, it’s very cool that yes, ours attracted students to stroganovka, they have a lot of interesting projects there, real professional designers, yes, yes, real professional designers, well, they are such beginners and they seem to be young and they have look, not blurred, yes, of course they offer such things there, they are very, well, if you look, especially russian meth, it seems to me that there was no such thing there at all designers, not well... there were some there, but also soviet ones, yes, yes, well then, you see, then we were in first place , defense capability was, well, it’s true, it’s in first place now, then, of course, then survival comes first, yes, and now they are working on the interior, finishing the station, and well, all the comments have been taken into account, you remember, yes, we lived in the service module, when we lived there, where we eat, and where we are there we go to the toilet

where we sleep, we continue the conversation about the new russian orbital service station ros with oleg artemyev. ros is the most ambitious, largest project that russia has. what other projects do we have? well, right off the top of my head, this is a sphere, a spectrum, a sphere - this is a satellite constellation, that is, it is so, well, one might say so semi-fantastic for what seems like our conditions, but in fact, our industry is already fully included in this program, in this project, we need our own independent satellite

constellation, we need communications. so it has its own location, its own system, which will allow it, by the way, to displace our mobile communications, then there is a cellular connection, it is designed so that we have constant communication in any corner of the world, well, first of all , of course, in our country, and then, of course, in any part of our globe, and what it is, that is, it is of course we have gestational satellites, right? glanas, and they fly in geostationary orbits of 36,000 km, and these will be lower, there will be more satellites, the signal will be better, it is clear, yes, that the geostationary is hanging over one point, but still yes, that is, due to the fact that it’s a bit far away, the signal is not always stable, it’s closer to the ground, of course, the place over which it will fly, it will be smaller there, but the satellites, due to the fact that

there are more satellites... then they will transmit this among themselves communication will be more stable also the sphere it’s like it’s not only the same satellites it’s many satellites of different satellites project sphere project sphere yes project sphere yes and i think that this is one of such ambitious projects as can be compared with ros and of course here we have two such near-earth observatories - we have them -

now it is being developed to repair satellites directly in space, satellites, like any mechanism, can break down, fail, then you can improve it, for example, change its filling to a more modern one, so they want to learn how to catch satellites and deliver the station to the people, cosmonauts will be engaged in repair and restoration work and launched back, this is an old dream, in fact, there will be a special platform, yes yes, this is an old dream and mine too, you just mentioned the department non-ship activities where i worked, this is still some 25 years ago, then they still dreamed that we would have a dock outside at our station. we, so that we catch satellites, install them, repair them, then tow them back into their orbits, i don’t quite understand how we ’ll catch them, well, there will be a tug, we have a tug project, this tug will little by little pick up and bring ,

that is, we are not saying it will be near the station, but near the station or docked , and well, those delivery ships that will deliver fuel will refuel it or it will be, i don’t know what kind of electric propulsion engine can be used that... it will reach the end like a broken satellite and then take it away and well, these are all such fantastic projects, but i think that this is the near future, well, they want to make this platform, yes no, well, it’s already in the project, it’s there, that is, there will be a module with a platform that will be outside, just like now we have such a cargo platform at mlm , which they recently installed at the exit , the same platform will be used to dock the satellite in... go out into the open space or an astronaut or with the help of a manipulator, because one of the things that we will have in the dew is robotic, that is, there will be manipulators that will help us in experiments, in repairs, just to

repair satellites and replace , that is, one of ros’ tasks is testing, testing equipment that can then be launched into space after we have tested it. ship of this new generation of eagle for alliances there is no such opportunity yet, but that’s all go together with the iss, everything can be yes, the alliances will remain on the iss and i think that, well, in any case, there will be a crossover correctly, that is

, the iss will not be flooded for at least a year, i think, i think longer, i think, i mean the first the first modules of ros and the iss, but i’m not sure, i’m kind of sure and that’s how it should be. that we first have to get a new station operational, that it will definitely work, it will definitely fly, also speaking about growth, there are very great opportunities, this is our northern, yes, the northern sea route, the sea route that we have is developing on earth, new icebreakers are being built, they have already been laid down, and this shortens the routes, logistics, and it will be possible to manage the station, help, yes, well, install the equipment that will be necessary for that. uh, there rossa herself assumes that you will have surveillance in all ranges, that is, optical, radar, radio, everything. well, firstly, this is without for safety, that is, you never know what might

happen during the northern sea route, you will have an understanding of what is happening in general, on any icebreaker on any ship of our northern fleet, that is, you can even quickly remove it. yes, operational filming, that is, yes, that is, well, yes, observing both the ecology, the fauna, counting bears there, maybe it will work out, well then i think, i really need to say something, a maximum of six people so that was at the station, well , it’s unlikely that there will be six people, probably, because she seems to assume that the first crew there will be, in my opinion, two people each, until then, of course, she’s already completely will be built, but i think it will be before six. well , i think that this will all depend on how well, well, on the ship that will fly there, i think there will still be four people, so we talked about what will happen in the next 5-10 years, we looked a little into the future, this is what you think a person will do in 50 years in space, i think that you can

even think about terraforming, that is to dream, that is, we have two objects for terraforming, these are venus and mars, tourism formation, that is, to make a planet suitable for life. man, i’m generally a supporter, first of all, not to start from mars, from venus, you would fly away to live on venus, no, not to live, but how to make it so that it... transforms and would be a spare planet for the earth, i i think that this is possible, first there will be some kind of dereships in which the first generations will live there, then lower and lower as they are processed, then some powerful machines that will further process the atmosphere, i hope so, that maybe, well , 50 years, maybe it’s a short period of time, but suddenly, oleg, today we talked about the present and future of the space... industry and once again made sure that russia, as it was, will be

the greatest space power, as if my friend, pilot cosmonaut hero of russia, oleg artemyev, was visiting me today, it was a space stories podcast and me, anton shkaplerov. i once offered my students such a task, gave them a text, asked them to identify its main feature, someone said that the text was too short and uninformative, someone , on the contrary, that it was too long, but they all made a mistake. the main feature was that this text was written not by a person, but by a computer program. hello, today we are gathering our thoughts about artificial intelligence. harutyun ishkhanovich avitisyan, academician of the russian academy of sciences, director of the institute of system programming.

we realized that we are still dealing with advanced it technologies, and not artificial intelligence in the real sense of the word, but horror stories mainly concern and films are made on this topic, mainly about the fact that artificial the intellect will get out of control, that it will become more powerful than the person himself, and it seems to me that here it is very important to determine this divide, that these are, in principle, different worlds, and there is no need to be afraid of this in this sense, at the same time - accelerated introduction of any technology, including artificial

intelligence, which gives a significant increase in labor productivity, i will say this, and sometimes by tens of percent, sometimes on an orderly basis, without control of mechanisms, technologies, checks for trust, and for safety in a broader sense, of course, this is very, very dangerous, and sometimes they even scare me that here is public opinion, they survey public opinion and are proud that 70-80% of our population believes that... artificial intelligence is not scary, this is normal, because generally speaking, you should be a little afraid of this, in this sense. let's discuss the details, what will the clergy say? i think that one of the most dangerous horror stories, which is very attractive to most people, is that artificial intelligence will quietly replace a person and thereby will make his further existence meaningless, so it seems to me that this is, of course, a horror story.

and our experience of industrialization, post-industrialization and modern digital time, it shows that there is nothing like that: 12% of the content on the internet relates to indecent things, but at the same time , about 60, even more than 60% of requests are addressed specifically to this area , that is, what we are talking about is that actualization is taking place. human sinfulness, we find ourselves

surrounded by such vile, very soft, very sticky pillows from which we can tear ourselves away much more effort is required, the simplest is an image, an example, a person who lives or at least has experience of life in a village, he knows perfectly well that if he does not go to the well, if he does not bring water, if he does not bring firewood, he will not feed the cow , then he will not be able to give it away, he simply will not survive, a person who lives in an apartment, he is guaranteed, even if he practically does not pay for utilities, he knows that he most likely will not be kicked out, it will still be warm, still in there will be... yes, that's it anyway, yes, somewhere he will find himself, scrape together, go to the neighbors, have something to eat, and he can afford the luxury of sitting in front of the tv, now in games, on social networks and so on, here is the question, why does a person have a catastrophic lack of internal immunity in order to

resist, counteract such temptations, let's definitely talk about this, there are just a lot of questions at once, unfortunately, there is not much time, in principle the main answer... was voiced , but i still, i want to maybe explore this topic a little, look, allen turing, a famous mathematician, i think, in 1950 or 1951 , published his article asking the question: can a machine think? if i 'm not mistaken, he then proposed the so-called imitation game, yes, that if there is a presenter, a man and a machine, then the presenter is given a task, he asks questions to these two interlocutors and must determine from them based on the answers which of them

your diesel engine is very well made and it looks like i don’t know some other super engine, this doesn’t mean that it has ceased to be a diesel engine, but here it’s exactly the same situation, while strong artificial intelligence is still far from strong artificial intelligence, in this sense , from my point of view, it’s very far away, although there are enthusiasts who believe that in the next few years, maximum 10 years it will be created, from my point of view this will not happen in my lifetime, if it happens it will even happen, this is a separate discussion, it needs to be discussed separately, because in the world y... it is generally accepted, by the way, this confirms my words that the world community thinks so, the subjectivity of artificial intelligence is not discussed anywhere, this means that after all, everyone treats this as complex, but technology, from this position it is necessary consider, if such technologies appear, i, as a person who deals with this, will see it, doubts will begin to appear, i will share, but

for now i have no doubts, yes, i have no doubts now, that everything that is happening now, it's very good anyway well-advanced machine learning with its own tricks. very advanced, good, in this sense, of course, we all know that in many places it is very pragmatic to use this, because it was once correctly formulated that, well, i don’t know, there is a manager, a doctor, any person with artificial intelligence, will simply replace a doctor, for example, this is possible because his abilities, as it were, in writing texts, for example, are increasing, that is, what i mean is that there is no need to be tempted because of this, that this is something this is so incredible, when i... listened to you, i also thought that when we look at an unmanned vehicle, yes, it is, it doesn’t mean that it, that the program controls the same as a person, yes, there a completely different principle, which is called driving, you know, this is a very good topic here, driverless cars don’t really exist, but the fact is that when elon musk, for example, was asked, what did he say,

i have an assistant, then there are a lot of experiments with driverless cars, but in the sense that an unmanned car drives wherever it wants, and it’s fine, this doesn’t exist. i’ve been talking about this for a long time now and said that if there is a dedicated circuit, a special environment, whatever you want to call it technologically, just humanly, then yes, then an unmanned vehicle makes sense and it will drive, but if, for example, on a city scale, this is not a chess game, where a computer can learn to play with itself, this is not a go game, this is an environment that changes, where it changes dynamically and unpredictably, that is driverless cars are still research projects. i just want to bridge the gap that when you said about subjectivity, i remembered that in 2011, when the computer watson, in my opinion, defeated jeopardy, one of the philosophers said that watson does not know that he defeated jeopardy , yes, yes, that’s how it seems to me.