work on the air, like almost all the participants in this competition, as this lure and bait for - people who paid for tickets, for the opportunity to travel and hang out with the stars, the quality of the bait was performed by musicians, well, there were such ro-groups there like a time machine, alexander borisevich gradsky went on the next cruise.

thundered, this was the musical discovery of the year, here’s the opportunity to hang out with him, sit at the same table in the company cabin, sunbathe on the deck, go on excursions together, people in fact, they paid very decent money, it all cost several thousand dollars, and we understand that then , 30-35 years ago, the dollar was worth more than it is now, the jury also included lena kondulainen -

who bore the title of the sex symbol of the soviet union . there was an actress who played politics there; she either had a love party or something else. she was very, very well known, such, on the one hand, a scandalous figure, on the other hand, an interesting woman, therefore , too, i know certain people who actually go to kondulainen, let’s go there, look at kondulainen.

ussr, and i was the author of this film, we filmed it all for the first channel, he - for one of the clips, in my opinion, it was a clip of chris kelmi, and he noticed there on this cruise, dancers, who in some kind of, some kind of national team, and invited them to appear in this video. to be honest, it’s not that i didn’t remember, i didn’t know it then, many years later, many years later, one of these dancers told me about it. this is

andrey grigoriev apolonov, that is, the same red-haired ivanushka, he was visiting me once, we put this cat in good hands, i had such a project, we helped with shelters to help furry animals find owners, so he told me that we knew each other ninety-one, when he was nothing there, he was just a boy, and he danced in this video, noticed him. matvienko wrote out moscow , in fact, this is how the grandiose ivanushsky international project began, that is, this cruise gave the green light not only to many journalists, but also to many musical bands, although it happened to me, by the way, with musicians on the laying, i remember that there was a huge scandal, aziza was there then, she was very, very popular in those years, there was a stop in istanbul, through istanbul we went to the mediterranean sea and returned here. with

a stop in istanbul, i don’t remember the first or second stop, but i definitely remember the mega-scandal associated with aziza, and this has nothing to do with music, which means the fact is that naturally, in istanbul everyone then ran to the markets, that is, buy leather jackets, jeans, it was still the soviet union, that is, it was still a time of shortages, but these shuttles were already carrying them with might and main, and of course, a trip abroad, especially to turkey, was always associated with the purchase of some kind of trash, well, besides trash, there’s other stuff. this is a podcast of the chronicle of the end of times and i, evgeny dodolev , tell you about the scandals and discoveries of the first and last miss press of the ussr competition, i will return to cozizen so that i don’t remember, i have already mentioned dimidov and his project, muzaobos,

which people of many generations remember, absolutely cool idea with this jingle, with ivan in glasses, in general with glasses. this was again an idea that was born on this particular cruise, because when we were leaving odessa, this is a cruise, ivan and i were wandering around some odessa streets and markets, i repeat, i was more or less recognizable , because he acted as a co-host in several editions of the look, and the bath was very unnerving that people found out there, approached something. they not only took autographs, they asked something, about moscow, there about gorbachev, about tv, that’s when he came up with it, he says: you need to come up with such a trick, that here’s a trick with glasses, like, you put on glasses, you’re ivan davidov, that’s it, you came out on stage, that’s it, you took off your glasses, you’re just blond , a former sergeant

of the airborne forces, in general, some kind of, so to speak, incomprehensible person, this is his cool idea, that this detail with glasses immediately turns you into a trade mark, into a star, she was born. it was in odessa, in the city of istanbul, that these same glasses were bought, glasses and ivan demidov, these are the ones in which he recorded his famous jink, in which he hosted the muzabos program and chose these glasses, evgeniy morgulis, a musician, it just happened before my eyes, how they bargained, i even remember the amount, how much these glasses were bought for, the brand, i won’t name anyone one or the other, but yes, this project... was developed precisely during this cruise, that is, those people who shot this film, they then worked on the musical convoy project, and not only ivanushsky international somehow originated, but here a mega-project of a youth editorial office was born and

the careers of many journalists took shape, but to close the topic of show business, i’ll return to zeze, every liner... pays for parking at the port, and any delay, that is, a violation of the schedule, is fraught with large fines , that is, if the ship has to move away from the pier so much, it has to do it, well, just like the plane, of course, and we all then, i just remember how everyone stood and waited for aziza, because she the shipment was delayed by about half an hour exactly, for half an hour exactly, here i am i... it’s just standing before my eyes, there were no gadgets then, no phones, no one took it off, it’s just written down here somewhere, as it comes with a huge , you know, these black bags that in hollywood films, or not only in hollywood ones, are for corpses, these black plastic bags, she is with this huge

bag that was actually dragging, semi -dragging, something purchased in istanbul , not only can be for the stage. by the way, there’s also this cruise, it’s still connected, of course, with the fact that many of the artists who went there, in particular my comrade kelme, they, according to the old soviet habit, went there with all sorts of goods that were sold abroad with the proceeds , something... something was bought there, it was not aziza’s case, because she was there in this... here with her then friend, i don’t know what his status was, i remember his last name, malakhov, he later made a big splash when this there was the matter with talkov's murder, in short, there was a lot

interesting people, i still have photographs, for example, from this cruise, where daria aslanova, who then... was booming, having written her memoirs, she was booming then, and then she became a very serious war correspondent, one of our leading newspapers, and it still works. i remember when tiri miissan came to moscow, i introduced him to heydar jamal, such a philosopher, very famous, with channel one columnist mikhail leontyev with daria aslamova, i even have recordings of this conversation and photographs of this meeting, here she was dari, not so long ago she was even detained, she was suspected of espionage, very, very. such a desperate reporter, there was a very loud story when she and her

comrades, in my opinion, the photographer was captured by militants and were going to shoot her colleague, well, that is, in the sense that it was not some girl in swimsuits, this is a real one a reporter who would give a 100-point head start to any other person who is engaged in investigative journalism, in fact, she already went there in the status of a very famous, scandalous...

as they are called, you remember what happened,

that not only courses collapsed there, but destinies collapsed, in particular, alexey romanov found himself in a very difficult situation, he owed money, he was supposed to be killed, and i remember that he called me , said that he was going to the arrow, that he might not return, if he did not return, there he asked to do a number of things, the arrow, thank god. ended happily, he just explained that if they kill him now, then well, there won’t be any money, but that’s how he’ll spend it the next event and the money will be given away, by the way it happened, that is, this cruise to miss press came out year after year, it took place in ninety-two in ninety-three, then i stopped following this matter, because well, i had various newspaper projects there, in addition, my friends from those who are usually called respectable said that this... to be a judge of a competition where girls wear swimsuits, this does not seem to

correspond to my reputation, a serious journalist who deals with journalism investigations, and then i completely went overseas for an internship and somehow, in general , there was no time for these competitions, and i didn’t follow what was happening, but one of the famous musicians, podgorodetsky, who was also... in this cruise, then in his memoirs he described that he met those girls who were contestants in various places, including one of them who had a career in america. i never thought about, frankly, the commercial component of all these cruises, because well, for me it was an opportunity like a free vacation there, to go there with my wife, there with friends, i dragged a bunch of... some people there - my then employees, some as a photographer,

some as a journalist who wrote about it, but well, before my eyes, i say that many have taken place - not only musical, journalistic careers, but also, for example, television ones. dmitry krylov, you know him as the leader of unlucky notes, and so, unlucky notes, he also came up with these in one of. these cruises i have a photo where we are in front of naples, why do i know that before naples, because not only do i have a camera, but dmitry has a camera, and after naples he no longer has this camera. because just directly, when he filmed his first these notes, this project, this program was not yet on the first channel, but he was already working in this direction, he really liked it, a motorcyclist on the street of naples just snatched it, grabbed it he pulled the camera by the lens and tore it off, that is, he had no

working camera left, although it was very offensive, because that it was just the middle of the height of the cruise, but there was material left, that is, this one was there , it was clear that this, this attack was happening, unfortunately, this was absolutely not the format of such caramel stories about travel, so this footage dmitry was not for anyone, probably, as i think, it wasn’t shown on air then they definitely weren’t there, but this project was born right then, it was the end of times, it seemed to us that we were approaching some kind of new life, peace, friendship, chewing gum, what is now open to us europe, that there is nothing from us we need, we don’t need anything, that we will all live together, that is, this was a time of such misconceptions of some naive person, well, for the girls who participated in these projects, it was a time of such career

starts, i immediately want to i’m ahead of the curve, because many people think that since it’s a competition, since it means... girls, then there might have been some intimate moments there. here it must be said that, firstly, they went there very often, journalists already with a name, well, like the same oslavova, and many they were traveling, relatively speaking, exposed to the most reputable, most significant publications, tv channels and newspapers with millions of copies, that is, they felt behind them , in general, not some kind of dad... who paid for their participation in this competition, but they felt like journalists who are trying to prove that they know how to work, so yes, naturally, there, like in any competition, there was this appearance in swimsuits, but it was very insignificant, they realized themselves there

precisely in a professional sense, to none of these, in my memory, in the first years , no one even thought about hitting on them... these acting dynasties, i don’t remember , in my memory, ever a complaint from girls that guests were hitting on them, although let’s say , from show business , many people, i won’t name their names now, if they are interested, they will tell you themselves, but many girls were famous at that time or

became famous later, they had very serious troubles. one singer said that she came to her cabin, she had the key to this cabin, only she had it, it would seem, but there he was waiting for her at the cooker, which means that here was a respected person, an authoritative one, and there were also showdowns there, we had to participate in a showdown, there it was only possible to contact the captain from the cabin, get in touch with the mainland, that is, there there were some endless threats, this never happened to journalists, but they complained that they put four people in a cabin there in the hold itself, we were all so untidy there, everyone had their own cabin there, well, i'm talking about the jury members, here they were there in such conditions, and

somehow they ate separately, that is, there was some kind of cabin company divided into... different sectors, well, that is, in this regard, i, as a journalist, am very much for the girls i was worried, because it seemed to me that , well, well, this is somehow, well, well, a competition, this is their competition, as if they were bowls, what they called them , bowls, that’s the fact that the bowls are in this position, i’m always like, well, for i was worried about the workshop, i remember stepping aside a little, i’m ilya verbukh, our legendary figure skater. now a producer he told me that after he completed his sports career, and before he began his production career, he worked as a journalist, so he told me directly... with such feeling he told me what a humiliation it was, how he understood how it was it’s unpleasant to run after a person with a microphone and ask him to say something, uh, realizing that at

any moment you can be sent, this despite the fact that - he was with, relatively speaking, a face with a name, that is, he he worked as a sports journalist in the industry where he was known and welcomed, eh, so he drank a little uh from this bowl and according to him now it’s completely different. relates to the profession, that is, he always meets halfway, here i am, as a person from the workshop who always worried about the girls, i helped them, let’s say they had tasks to interview or record some kind of synchronization, make some kind of story, therefore, i negotiated with not only my acquaintances, but let’s say there were some celebrities, relatively speaking.

if this conversation can later develop into something else or if there is some kind of outcome, well, a conversation with a beautiful girl in two cases,

that is, if there is a broadcast or publication, then it is clear that this is part of the work of any show business figure, any artist, but here they understood that this is, well, conditionally chipboard for official use, that only judges will see this, that is, we are members of the jury , that this is no one... that i didn’t select the contestants, i was just, well, i’ll repeat on the jury, but i must note that only

professional people got there, that is, they weren’t selected there for the length of their legs or eyelashes, and they were very often people who could take place in profession, but they made a different choice there, for example, the daughter of robert rozhdestvenskaya, not the one you thought about. not for sure, but because she has a younger sister, uh , rozhdestvennaya, she won 11 competitions, i remember that it was such a headache for us, because we were sitting in kayota, well , the members of the jury said, what if we will make the christmas winner a bowl of espresso, then everyone will think that she got it, well then they will say that she won the competition, which means robert rozhdestvensky’s daughter. everyone will think that it is exclusively under it was precisely because of her last name, on the other hand, to ignore her absolutely professional merits, she

showed herself to be a brilliant reporter, and it seems to me that she then never went into the profession, and i’m only now when i’m telling you this, i’m now in fact, i realized for myself that i don’t remember whether we sentenced... her, that is , she received this title, or she was a vice-miss, i can’t remember, but there were also such reputational moments, or let’s say, when we were talking about a publication, let’s say some publication was known for that it was very commercially successful, that it did not skimp on, say, a bribe from an insider, and then the end of times had already come, it was no longer the soviet press, it was. which acted according to the rules of the international media, that is, people who wanted to sell information were paid money, everyone knew that

there, for example, this newspaper, it has one or another budget and does not skimp, for example, this newspaper does not practice this , because they believe that - and so they can ride on the brand or on the skill of their photographers, and reporters and columnists, there have also been such moments, we think, well, now we’ll give a title there, they will think that there, well... we were bribed, relatively speaking, that is, i looked at this industry, this one in general, well competitive, a little from that side, that is, i have insight, thank god, i will repeat that it was a journalistic competition, that we did not have girls for whom, like most events of this kind, maybe at the wrong stage , maybe later the so-called

daddies paid, that is, rich patrons, who, firstly, bought a place to participate in the competition, then were ready to work, as they called it, with the members of the jury to explain to them that their chosen one, she deserves the title of mis or vice-mis, that is, i honestly absolutely tell you i say that i didn’t catch this aspect, perhaps, i’ll repeat, precisely because it was, first of all , a professional competition, because it was invented. a professional reporter, because alexey romanov, although he turned into such a travel tycoon, at that stage, i don’t know, by the way, what happened to him then it happened in the 2000s, he was a sports journalist, very quickly these competitions became their own, that is, borders opened, people began to travel abroad, not only on airliners, but for me the miss ussr competition,

it... became like this a memory of a symptom of the end of times, because the country, i really love to quote and i can’t resist once again nautilus pompill, that from the song striptis, that the country was dying like an ancient lizard with a new virus in its cells, one of these viruses, of course, was here this competition industry, i remember without any...

ussr, well, today our relations with former allies in the second world war, of course, are worse than ever, but i must say that at that time they were far from simple, and that, of course, is the main... sticking point - this is the opening of the second front, they argued about geography and timing, well, in the end, in june of forty-four, the second front was opened, this famous landing in normandy took place, it turns out it’s now 80 years, if i’m not mistaken, so that’s it let's remember this landing, and at the same time, let’s remember about operation bagration,

which was carried out by our... our armed forces, the main thing in this conversation, it seems to me, is that it is customary on the one hand, on the western side, to overestimate the importance of the landing in normandy and in general the opening of a second front in 1944 , almost the main event of the second world war, yes, along with the battle of alatola midue, which our viewers will probably have difficulty remembering, on the other hand, we often, on the contrary, underestimate these events, we need to understand without bias one or another ideological plane with... hello, this is a historical podcast russia-west on the swing of history, with you pyotr romanov and sergei solovyov, the topic of our conversation today, the landing in normandy, about the disagreements between roosevelt, churchel and stalin, so much has been said , which in general there is probably no point in repeating, this topic is quite well-known, i will only note that for the first time the term second front in general...

appeared in the correspondence of stalin and churchel back on september 3, 1941. stalin then wrote to chercher, talking about difficult. of the second front, in fact, the most important help from the west, the soviet, the soviet union, was lentlease, our attitude towards lentlease is, i would say, very often polar,

that is, from a position, but we would have managed without it easily, to a position we would have lost without lenliz, well, of course, it’s a balanced position, it’s just obvious that the help was significant. there’s no need to ignore it, and maybe there’s no need to exaggerate it either, especially since in general it was still non-gratuitous assistance, we then paid off debts under lindlease for a very long time, the position of roosevelt and churchill, they very often disagreed in fact and roosevelt was much more decisive in favor of assistance to the soviet union, he pushed through the lenis congress, he... argued with churchill about the opening second front, but it was not possible to convince churchel then; in general , the soviet union bore the entire brunt of the main battles, so to speak , on its shoulders; this position

of rooxvelt must, of course, be remembered, because i repeat, his views quite often coincided with stalin’s views, the two of them tried to overcome cherchel. it was just quite difficult, he was a very stubborn politician, however, for the sake of objectivity, here we are talking about the attempts of both stalin and rosvelt to convince churchel to open a second front, but for the sake of objectivity, we still need to outline here the idea that a number of researchers expresses, they believe that if we talk about the forty-second year, they believe that most likely this attempt was from...

experts, they believe that the allies had at the moment there was no overwhelming advantage in aviation, that is, they could not dominate, completely control the field. military operations, and the second argument is also a very important argument, that by the forty-second year the wehrmacht was not yet exhausted, therefore, if they had tried to open a second front in the forty-second year, the allies would have met completely different resistance in france, than in forty-four. here it must be said, continuing the theme of landlease, that landlease, of course, covered up the weaknesses of the soviet economics, in our country, when they remember lendlizi, they often talk about tanks, airplanes, this is all important, but in addition to tanks and airplanes there were machine tools, there were steam locomotives, there was aviation

aluminum, there were explosives, here is a military historian, a very famous military historian alexey valerievich isaev, he showed that the cost of the money, yes, relatively few components for explosives supplied by lindlease, allowed the soviet union to produce high-power shells, because soviet similar factories that produced these chemicals, were lost during the german offensive, back in 1941, there was actually nowhere to take them from, if not for this, then large calibers of soviet artillery would have been left simply without ammunition. if we talk about food, then according to modern historians, so much food was supplied that 10 million people could be fed for 2 years, only with the food that was supplied to half-english, this is not only the famous stew, which was at the front with humor on... the second front, yes, but this is also flour, in fact, yes, and this was white bread, this was fat, which was not enough, and so on and so forth, as for the payment of landlease, it is important to understand here that during the war

, the soviet union did not pay a penny, but during the war it was not paid at all, there are also myths that the soviet union supposedly paid for it in gold, this is all mythology, the soviet union did not have to pay anything for military supplies. and after the end of hostilities, these models of equipment should have been either given to the united states or disposed of. why is blisk needed for the usa, that is, of course it is not pure. to save the lives of american and british soldiers, but it was also important for the development of the american economy, because this money went, these funds went to the development of the american economy, american industry. in addition, roosevelt, when he convinced isolationist circles, and here it is important to say that when the lenlisi act was adopted, there was a fairly powerful isolationist movement in the united states, one the american politician even stated that if... the soviet union defeats germany, we must help germany, if

germany defeats the soviet union, we must help the soviet union, let them kill each other as long as possible. that politician was harry truman. so ruzeld convinced: if your neighbor’s house is on fire, and you have a garden hose, lend it to your neighbor before your house catches fire, when the fire is extinguished, the neighbor will return the hose to you, and if it turns out to be damaged, he will pay for it when he saves up some money. it's clear, conviction, but nevertheless, this idea that a neighbor’s house is burning and that just... sitting with your hands folded while it burns is a completely unacceptable thing, roosevelt had this, as you also quite rightly noted, a completely sincere conviction, i must say that roosevelt’s position certainly played a big role at the tehran conference, when at some point stalin simply presented his negotiating partners with a choice: either the negotiations end, or we make a definite decision on opening a second front, many military historians, as you also quite rightly noted, believe that in 1942, and the americans hardly together with the english... could hardly

have managed to carry out a successful landing in the same normandy, for example, on the other hand, forty the third year, when we need to remember, our western allies had a choice: either continue from africa to italy, and there is still an italian tounuz boot, and, accordingly, the scale of hostilities there is completely different, or still land in france and under pressure churchill, again, churchill, because... well, by the time the second front opened, despite the disagreements that you spoke about, and i have already spoken about, in general , this is how the principled interaction was after the pressure on... the tageran conference, you too said about this, this

decision was made to open a second front, and it is no coincidence that this opening of a second front coincided with the well-known operation in belarus, well, i’ll just name the dates, which means that the operation in normandy dates from june 6th to june 25th august, and the operation in belarus took place. details, but i would draw attention to the enormous

work that both the allies have done in their direction, and we have done in our direction in terms of disinformation of the enemy, because well, just one example, we would need to demonstrate that we will attack either in the south or in the extreme, that is, in the north, but not in the center. where operation bagration actually took place and 2/3 was the result of misinformation of our 2/3 tank divisions were just shifted to the south, so this played a very important role in the success of operation bagration, as for the allies, there was also a very well-known, especially in the west, such a bodyguard operation. this is also a disinformation operation,

it was a very delicate job, i must admit, including with the re-recruitment of german, german agents, there are different versions about the interaction of intelligence services, because of course there was some kind of interaction between the allies and our general staff, this is indisputable, as for the detailed information, here, in general , both sides were a little dark, this is understandable, because that... both operations, it was a very difficult task, and, well, naturally, a cover of secrecy is always present in such cases, there is a version that we received almost all the information that was vital for us , so to speak through the famous cambridge five, this is an intelligence network of soviet intelligence in great britain, the names of the three most important agents from the allies are known, who

played this game in order to convince that the allies would land in padekal, well , among them was juan pujol , spaniard and... a double agent of germany and britain, and he managed to receive both the order of britain and the iron cross from the germans. serbo-croat, such a duska popov, and he was generally a triple agent, he worked for britain, for germany and also for the kingdom of yugoslavia, which then existed, but there is also a russian name, natalya sergeeva, so she was a double agent for both abvara and the british . well , there were also high-level soviet intelligence officers, for example, in switzerland there was rudolf rösler, who at one time gave soviet intelligence information about operation citadel, this kurdish battle, and also provided information about the plans of the wehrmacht for the year forty-four, he had a very wide network of informants in germany itself, quite high-ranking figures who, however , this centformers suffered greatly

after july 20 of the year forty-four, when the opposition to hitler was destroyed in to a significant extent after the military coup attempt, but intelligence alone in general bi...

to recreate the front line already on the territory of poland, in fact, and of course, it must be said here that despite the defeat under kursk, despite the collapse at stalingrad, the nazis continued to greatly underestimate the red army, that is, they believed that a large-scale offensive, like the one that was carried out precisely by operation bagration, not to mention other operations that in soviet times were called there in stalin's time 10 stalinist strikes, and from the north of the petsamo kirkinevo operation to the liberation of crimea in the south. so the germans believed that large-scale offensive operations were inaccessible to soviet troops, that they could only act on relatively local sectors of the front, and if they can act broadly enough, then the germans will be prepared for this, their defensive ones will either not work, and here they were fundamentally mistaken, they once again underestimated the enemy. the americans, of course,

did not have the same experience as the soviet troops, the americans and the british, they had ground forces to their credit. crossed the lomanche, so to speak, from england to normandy, losses depended largely also...