and the enemies want to deal with them, they should not expect that we, as diplomats, will limit ourselves to symmetrical responses. it was a great game, we'll see you on the air tomorrow. there will be headlines that the head of meath in the uk has become a victim of an unknown person who called him on behalf of petro poroshenko. and there is something to worry about, because david cameron revealed many secrets of western politics in this conversation. for example, what did he talk about at a private dinner with donald trump? why was ukraine once again deceived? joining nato and how europe is trying to steal russian money? why does great britain scare post-soviet countries and what does the us elections have to do with it?

today on our program is the very frank conversation of david cameron. guests of the vaan ilexus show studio today are first deputy chairman of the state duma committee on security and anti-corruption andrei lugovoy. british journalist.

is just as enthusiastic about defending ukraine and helping ukraine as the conservative party is, so i don't think you'll see changes. our government is the furthest along on multi-year financial aid commitments, stormshadow missiles, and military training. all aspects: security, commitments and partnerships, support in nato, i think we are probably one of the most ardent allies, and i think libarian.

all possible changes in terms of permissions, in terms of preparation, in terms of some kind of involvement. i also think that in germany the germans could do more, without a doubt, so this should be a goal for ukraine, try to convince them. the french are very enthusiastic now, as you know, macron has made significant changes, but i think there are some things that need to be done to make sure that they follow through. he said he could send an international legion. what is your

opinion? i'm not sure that this is the right approach, i think the problem is that if you send foreign troops into ukraine, then putin will become a target, then the question will arise how to react if they are attacked. i love french enthusiasm, but i'm not sure they will choose the right, specific answer. there are many things they could have done other than this. but you know what we did with the storm shadow missiles. other aspects, we don’t want to argue with them, we ’re just trying to tell them in an honest manner: let’s think about what we can do that will really help ukraine, but will not lead to escalation. it’s interesting, actually, because he said that we don’t want to send our troops, but let’s be somehow petty and it’s really despicable to help ukraine, including, because he was also an ardent supporter of stormshadow missiles hitting targets in russia. andrey, what do you think, in this

plot, firstly, we see cameron’s rather smug face, which also likes to climb, and the way you flattered him, here he seems to be encouraged to talk, talk, talk , this.

escort, espionage activities, every time the boat is rocked by the waves on which the whole world floats, that is, strictly speaking, they are the role that they took on themselves after the second world war, and they are still fighting it. great britain, for all its rich history, because it was, well, what does it say, the greatest empire in the world in terms of territorial conquests, today, of course, it is not one, the armed forces are weakened, they have only four there, which means nuclear-powered boats weapons. you have american ones on their boats, moreover, according to nato doctrine, the british do not have the right to use nuclear weapons at their discretion, because there is a main headquarters of the navy, which will by the way, unlike the french, the french agreed to use the senate in such a way that the french can use nuclear weapons

on their own, and the british cannot do anything without the americans, at the beginning of the conversation, we just mentioned what would happen if labor came to power, now the choice is coming soon, here i can say this, england, at least the 20th century, suggests that regardless of who is in power, conservatives or librists, foreign policy will be absolutely, and he will confirm this, mike, here you are, as a british citizen, do you think these words for you, as a citizen, do they correspond to the interests of an ordinary briton? i would agree, and i agree, that britain's role here today is to support europe. imposing their policies on europe, us policies, the british, they seem to be indifferent to who is at the helm today, who is in power, because changing the blue color to the red color of the party does not mean at all that they will

somehow change the national policy , they will not stop financing the policy of genocide in gas, which is now being done from the british pocket, so i think that the assessment of your s... is correct, i would say my interpretation, so i would say about cameron this way, he has a special task, and in general, the attitude towards cameron in great britain, to what extent does he have any authority, because he was at one time prime minister, for 6 whole years, yes, of course not, he was involved in this scandal, where he lobbied ministers in the government, fulfilling order from private companies, in fact in fact, he took advantage of his... former position as prime minister, well, that is , he does not have any approval from the people, against the backdrop of some current people in the spirit of rishi sunak, but you can say that i am relatively strong there business executive, but here i am, with me the conservatives could still enjoy at least some kind of support, by the way, he was

the youngest prime minister, one of the youngest, but now it’s clear that when the conservatives are doing absolutely terrible things in terms of elections, yes then especially taking into account this record, yes, i think that he is coming. will certainly try to radicalize the uk’s position in the ukrainian conflict specifically in such a way as to raise its stakes in the international arena and try to build some kind of authority in the international arena, this can be seen in the entire tone and spirit of the conversation and these instructive

phrases where he speaks , that the main task of both ukraine and britain is to reconfigure the position of the germans, to draw germany more into the conflict, these are attempts, again, from... a dying empire to recreate a hegemon, but this hegemon will not wake up. we see that, by the way, according to this speech, within the european union, within nato, in general, within nato, first of all, there are big ones. they invent something that never existed in nature, to begin with, ukraine as

an independent state never existed at all, so this is a statement, it once again nullifies their historical educational level, but then cameron is still the leader foren of the office and a representative of the ministry of foreign affairs, so of course he acts more like such a sign, well, like everyone else... macron’s main problem today is that this napoleon complex that sits inside him, he

wants, finally, he has only a few hours left there, as they say, before the end of his presidential term, he understands that that’s it, he’s in he did not go down in history as a great european leader, so the main task of his life is to create a huge anti-russian coalition, but he is not succeeding; recently there was news in the media that cameron allegedly held behind-the-scenes negotiations with donald trump.

there is a part that is not very supportive ukraine, there's not much support for what they see as, you know, foreign conflicts, while traditional republicans fully see the threat of russian aggression and everything else, that's the job that needs to be done. and continue to do, he said that they will try to start peace negotiations when he becomes president, on the first day of his presidency, it is difficult to understand his personal opinion, ultimately he will at that moment calculate what suits him, i think that is the key point is that if we can make sure that by november ukraine will be on the front line, and putin will retreat, then he will want to support the winning side, so to speak, that's what we can guarantee, that's why

this 60 billion is so important, that's why this summer is so important, but i think that it is difficult to predict exactly what his attitude will be, what is interesting here is that the british foreign secretary, and not the prime minister, is communicating with donald trump, yes, he is having dinner just like that, by the way, another conclusion, he essentially said that the next president will be trump, and he influenced the speaker. that is, this is interference in the internal affairs of the united states of america, he specifically influenced so that the speaker would not lose his job, this is interesting, well, in fact, there are many versions about what donald trump’s policy will be, but nevertheless, what if the minister of foreign affairs communicates with you business, in fact, he will also leave soon and is trying to achieve something, but somehow he is not very cheerful during the discussion, well, of course he is worried, it is obvious that he wants to have dinner together. says a lot if let’s say, we look at the british parliament over the last 2 years, i don’t remember

that there were any big battles about ukraine, everything connected with russia, in general the position is the same, libarists, conservatives, whoever there wasn’t, well , the support of the population anyway, take the usa or some european countries in britain, it is still for ukraine there, more than 60%, and more than 60%. in america , the situation is still different, and he is really right here, that there really is unity among the republicans. v there is no connection, but that’s not the main thing, he doesn’t believe that biden will pass, of course, so, apparently, they don’t want to be made a fool, well, this november, i think, this line, it’s not just a line. holding elections, what exactly is there when they have elections in early november, but apparently there are also some other expectations that they associate with those military actions, front-line actions that take place on the line of military contact, and of course they have great concern when they say ukraine will be on the front line, it is quite obvious that he thereby confirms that one of the main conditions, strictly speaking, for the allocation of both money

and military equipment to ukraine is that as many ukrainians as possible will be mobilized for... whoever becomes president, but it seems to me that the british, they they already see this despair, firstly, there is a decision on candidates which is felt at the level of european governments, they are already in a panic, they are already talking with fear about the end of arms supplies, about the interruption of contracts, but

honestly, the british are too distracted on their own internal problems, on their economy. and i would like to say now, we just talked about macron, just now, i can say that the usa, great britain, germany, all these governments of these countries, they have already said, we want to change the regime in russia, this is the main goal, and you see how their opposition comes to power, now cameron is literally rushing about in order to fulfill his role as best as possible before the libarist party comes and takes...

no invitation for ukraine on this there will be no summit, and this is a bad signal for what secretary of state blinken believed to be the case. there will be no invitation because america will not support it. and this is what i said to president zelensky: let's try to say the most correct words about nato support for ukraine, but let's not, we shouldn't have a dispute between nato and ukraine before the summit. let's do everything we can to create a bridge to membership. membership is irreversible and irrevocable. no matter what we may get. and then, let's let's make sure we go into the conference united in our approach because we can't afford to have a public argument about where ukraine stands in relation to nato in the run-up to the july summit. i think it's reasonable, i support ukraine's membership in nato, i always have, and i'm sure it will happen, but this time we won't get

that invitation, so i think it's important not to argue about it. yes, that is. you mean that ukraine should be a member of nato, but when the conflict is over, i supported ukraine's membership back in 2008. i think the problem is that we will not be able to convince america to put forward an invitation to this conference. yes, this is our maximum. you and i would like to, i know, but this is how it is now. we must allow a situation where the best is the enemy of the good. sorry, we shouldn't make the perfect the enemy of the good. dissolved.

even the supply of longer-range missiles, but there was no talk there either, they said no, we won’t supply it, so we talked that year with the former minister, too. haig, yeah accordingly, he said that again the same rhetoric, we must put all possible pressure on the americans so that they approve the supply of these missiles. now we see that the missiles are already coming.

mike, you often visit the donbass, and you see with your own eyes what is happening there, you understand what role great britain plays in this regard in the supply of weapons, this does not affect the conflict, that is, it does not affect the front. in fact, this does not affect the battles that are going on now. storm shadow, for example, like us recently we saw, again we see, that these missiles are flying to lugansk. what is this? they are hitting the town, they are using these weapons against belgorod, that is, not at the front, the supply of these weapons does not affect the front. that is, they are trying to terrorize people and intimidate them, but the result is absolutely the opposite. don't you think that is really the biggest threat to nato.

which they have been implementing for 30 years, when they destroyed the education system first of all, now the most important task, in humanitarian terms, is creating it falsified, distorted for their own purposes, all these 30 years everything has been happening this way, and there is very concrete evidence of this, now to continue at least this scenario, for them the main victory is such a factor of a rival, a factor of... an enemy on the borders of russia so that russia is always distracted from internal development by external factors, thereby they also set fire to some countries of the former

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sovereign assets, but it still may be about $50 billion, i think it's very important to say that the underlying assets won't be unfrozen, they won't do that, so we keep the argument going forward that these assets can be used to rebuild ukraine, but i think the idea of ​​interest on windfall income of 50 billion is not bad, it’s just not as good as we would like, all battles are only about values, and the main value of the western world in this regard is right.

but these g7 finance ministers are scoundrels and “we, of course, are for it, we’ll give everything right now, scoundrels, they don’t want to do this, this is the main problem today, continuing the topic of cameron’s russian assets, it is obvious that they are just trying to somehow minimize their losses, of course, i doubt that this money will go to the restoration of ukraine, it will go first only to repay the interest to them." firstly, we need to go to the courts with the brightest responses we can offer, lawyers, to their courts in order to create a show there so that people do not believe, because the entire economy, the entire dollar, all the power of the dollar is based on one thing, trust in this currency, it is not confirmed by gold, we would like this money to be with us and we could

dispose of it, but we see how... but we are systematically grinding all these sanctions, more than 2100 sanctions with 2012 were introduced against russia, and we are overcoming them. boris, he said about claims, about the possibility of reclaiming assets, who should deal with this in general, within the framework of international law, there are such precedents, i believe that we should appeal first of all to national courts in supranational organizations. once again, the main thing here is that i understand that we will not win in national courts, everything there will be subordinated to the logic

of politics. but the more russia’s voice is heard, the more and more clearly we demonstrate our positions, the more people will invest in us, who should do this? ours, our country, our activists, those people who are represented at different platforms, we must raise this topic at the un, including at the general assembly, it is clear that we are not exaggerating, we understand the entire role of the un in modern realities, but the voice of russia should be clear, bold, bright, and that’s it. that is, you can’t tolerate it, you can’t tolerate it, stop tolerating it, that’s right, i agree, recently david cameron flew to central asia, it turns out, to meet with the heads of state there, he talked to them about something, just in our conversation he shared what he talked about with the leadership of one of the countries, let's see, trump thinks that some kind of easy deal can be concluded, but

this...

and i said that this is not so, he agreed, it suited him, you never know whether he will agree, but i think he allowed it, he allowed the money to be allocated, so this is a good sign, some kind of trump, the secret master of the world, it turns out that all trump’s money is determined by him too, accordingly, i think he even forgot that he had one of his own. prime minister, the british, as supporters of soft power, you know what the matter is, the fact is that having lost their colonial conquests , they realized that to own one or another side is not necessarily the presence of troops there or some kind of territorial dependence, but dependence primarily on the elites, in fact , with the collapse of the soviet union, the british turned very seriously to the countries of central asia and spread so-called networks there, but they

always tried to help us there after the beginning. understands that biden will no longer be able to cope, he will not win, he will not get into the american elections, so they can try, but i have already said that from my point of view, even the fact that cameron was appointed as foreign minister is something like this , you know

how you don’t change in a certain ship, in titanic, in the titanic, no matter what you change, the titanic must still sink, this titanic must sink before there is any change. you know what else struck me, at moments of such serious world upheaval, at moments when any word of a political statement plays into the value of human lives, he talks about linsey graham with a smile, but don’t listen to him, by the way, we are with linsey graham we’ve already talked a couple of times, and the worst thing is, this is the worst thing, that is, all the cynicism of the anglo-saxon policy is manifested precisely in this, you you can call from yours. islands or from another continent to do whatever you want, you can supply weapons, you can kill and give orders to shell peaceful cities, but say with a smile, don’t listen to him, it’s scary, but meanwhile he was

one of those so the guys played a prank, who was the first to play this game as a warning, and who announced that he was pranked, what do you think, friends, that’s what he, perhaps, could be ashamed of in this prank, that’s why for everything, for the fact that he told the truth, for something else? he will not to be ashamed, which is at odds with many of his public statements, including in the british parliament for his own, let ’s compare it for the audience, maybe that in this prank is very at odds with his public statements that they bring peace and tranquility to the entire region , on the other hand , they say: we call for tougher measures from germany, he will be ashamed of the fact that he, by and large, confirms that there is an insurmountable disagreement among nato allies, this is very important. it will be a shame for that he arrogantly speaks about his partners, who at such meetings, in the g7 format, in the format of nato meetings, he says our friends, our colleagues, our brothers, in the end he really shows his attitude, for

this he will be ashamed, and they will not forgive him for this, he calls things by their proper name, this is called political resignation, from now on cameron can be considered a political dwarf, the most important thing is that in all his speeches with... we really hope that in the uk they will see our frank conversation with david cameron, i wonder what the reaction will be, we will follow this and will definitely tell you. hello, dear friends, this is the podcast life of the remarkable, i’m with you, its host,

writer alexey varlamov. today i am alone in this studio, and my heroine will be the wonderful one of the most fantastic russian women of the silver age, nina ivanovna petrovskaya. i don't know how familiar i am. did not work out, to some extent, it was

this chekhov play that predicted the fate of nina petrovskaya herself, and indeed the fact that in in this play, chekhov carefully looks at this new phenomenon that arose in russian culture in... the ninth year in moscow, a girl was born into the family of an official, who was named nina, she was very pretty, with big eyes that looked enthusiastically, anxiously, curiously on the world around her, probably very attractive, because in her youth she had many suitors, one of them turned out to be a future very prominent figure on the political scene of russia, it was vasily alekseevich maklakov, yes, later he was one of

politicians, public figures, who led the cadet movement in russia, emigrated after the revolution, became such a prominent freemason, lived a very long life, so he was in love with nina, proposed to her, but she refused him and married another man, which later , by the way, she was rather sadly plunged into her fate, in general, in her fate there was a lot in her childhood... one can talk like that in her youth in childhood, about some missed opportunities, about some probably wrong paths that she took , if only it is possible now, after more than 100 years, to talk about these wrong choices that she made in life, but nevertheless, she married sergei alekseevich sokolov, he was a young lawyer who decided to become a poet, the silver age, all around they created, everyone around them wrote poetry, everyone understood that creativity is itself...

nina petrovskaya’s future husband also decided to take up poetry, but god gave him the highest talent, the most beautiful thing in life, not very much, with poetry he doesn't have it turned out, then he found a very correct , very correct move: if no one wants to publish you, start self-publishing, this word was not yet in the unit then, of course, but nevertheless , he had the opportunity, the financial opportunity to create his own publishing house, so... nina petrovskaya, from the very beginning, in general, their union did not work out, perhaps because she was such a maximalist by nature, she was drawn to what was truly talented, to what was truly bright, she i studied literature myself i wrote poetry, i wrote prose myself, but obviously. subsequently , vladislav khadosevich wrote wonderfully about this in an article

called the end of renata, it was with this article that the brilliant book of memoirs of khadosevich and necropolis opens, and so khodosevich, reflecting on the fate of nina petrovskaya , said that people of the silver age often mixed life with creativity, some had more talent for writing, others had more talent for living, and from khadasevich’s point of view, the story of nina petrovskaya... this is the story girls, the story of a woman who mixed the two too much. it turned out that she did not have very much literary talent, but the talent to live in a literary environment, communicate with poets, communicate with writers, eagerly respond to everything that happens in literature, make personal acquaintances, play a role in the literary life of that time, directly participate in it and how to sunbathe in... in this fire, in this bonfire, in this she saw, she

felt her calling, and the first poet who had a very big impact on her personal impact was konstantin balmont. balmont at that time was really such a literary star. he was very popular, fans and admirers of his work crowded around him, at some point our heroine turned out to be one of them. "she fell in love with balmont, balmont reciprocated her feelings, so to speak, but this was clearly not what nina was counting on, nina wanted to be exclusive, and for balmont she was just one of his fans, this absolutely did not satisfy her, soon they broke up, but as khodosevich later wrote, this ecstasy, well, maybe not the first love, but the first love with a great russian poet, this is the first..." love affair that arose in her life,

it left a very bitter aftertaste, a kind of hangover, later she spoke mockingly about balbonte, spoke badly, she actually, of course...