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at that time, balmont was really such a literary star, he was very popular, fans and admirers of his work crowded around him, at some point our heroine turned out to be one of them. she fell in love with balmont, balmont reciprocated her feelings, so to speak, but this was clearly not what nina was counting on. nina wanted to be exceptional, but for balmont she was just one. of his fans, this absolutely did not satisfy her, they soon broke up, but as khodosevich later wrote, this ecstasy, well, perhaps not of first love, but of first love with a great russian poet, this was the first love affair that arose in her life, it left a very bitter aftertaste, a kind of hangover, later she spoke mockingly about balbonte, spoke badly, she herself in fact... of course,
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she didn’t know how to forgive and didn’t want to forgive men for the insults they inflicted on her, but she was very attractive, anyway, life was ahead, and this mistake taught her, it didn’t teach her, whether it was a mistake or not, about it one can argue endlessly, but one way or another, in her female destiny, in her poetic destiny, in her life-creativity, the next hero appears, and her next... nikolai bugaev, boris nikolaevich bugaev, who , of course, is much better known to everyone as andrei white. he took this pseudonym, andrei bely, and it was with this name that he entered russian literature as a poet and prose writer.
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i could even believe that this selfish, narcissistic narcissist could write such bright, interesting poetry. as for white, here, as it seems to me, the situation was a little more complex or maybe, on the contrary, simpler, because the white poet and the white man were much closer to each other. bely was a very interesting person, but white was unusual; if balmont’s attitude towards the same nina petrovskaya towards other women was half-hearted... well, roughly
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speaking, consumerist and it is clear what he wanted from her, then as far as andrei is concerned bely, he perceived her not just as an admirer, not just as a fan, he in some sense perceived her as his student, as her adept, and here the situation, in a certain sense, turned upside down, now nina rather wanted love, wanted some kind of ordinary human happiness, and the white man, in general, was not ready for this. did not strive for this, bely had generally different views on the nature of man, on the nature of the relationship between man and the talent of man and god, a different view on the relationship between a man and a woman, therefore nina, who turned out to be, well, so to speak, with all her unusualness and fantasticality, it turned out to be too much for bely ordinary, too earthly, their correspondence, and in general people of the silver age loved to write letters and pistols... the silver age, everything
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that we know about this is the correspondence of blok - and bely, the correspondence of rosenov and florendsky, and many others can be named correspondence, so nina petrovskaya and andrei bely also wrote letters to each other, but later nina ivanovna solemnly drowned all these letters in lake saimaa in finland. now, if we draw this parallel between nina petrovskaya and nina zarechnaya and, accordingly, between.
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he writes her such a long instructive letter, in which he talks about symbolism, talks about theory, talks about some tricky, smart things that might... would be of interest to a graduate student, a master's student at some university who writes to his dissertation, but they were hardly curious about the young girl who was simply in love and was ready to give herself to this wonderful poet, one way or another, bely at some point simply got tired of her, one can assume that her passionarity was obviously such a clot of not only beauty and charm, but a clot of energy, and... energy of the most varied kind, yes, femininity was overflowing in her, one can assume that she would have been simply charged with this femininity, like an electric current, when bely was shocked by this current, then in general , he preferred to avoid this plot, and
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as she later ironically wrote, andrei bely’s mother ordered him to leave me for nizhny novgorod during holy week, and bely actually left her, although later they still... continued communicate, because in fact the circle of these decadent writers and poets was quite narrow and they still couldn’t just run away from each other, it was then, after this break with andrei bely, that a man appeared on nina petrovskaya’s horizon who determined her fate, it was the no less famous and no less significant poet of the russian silver age valery bryusov.
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leader of russian literature, but it is no coincidence that bryusov was probably born into a merchant family and he has all these theoretical ideas, all these utopian dreams of his, they often took on a very specific form, and bryusov, in addition to the fact that he was a poet, he was a publisher, and he was a very good publisher, and he really published very important magazines of the era of symbolism, in particular scorpio magazine.
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case wary, or rather even negative. at first, he generally did not pay attention to nina petrovskaya. bryusov had his own difficult personal life. but when bryusov, who treated bely with feelings of respect, curiosity and rivalry. when bryusov found out that nina petrovskaya was rejected by white, and nina petrovskaya was offended and angry with bely. indignant, that’s when bryusov begins to experience interest in her, not only a man’s interest in a woman, but a literary interest, because bryusov never did anything for nothing. why was bryusov interested in this unusual woman, because he had been writing a novel for a long time,
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or rather, he was preparing to write a novel, he was writing a novel, and in order to write this novel, he, of course, had to rely on some realities of life, for some destinies, for some facts, and just like that, if... a house is being built, scaffolding is needed, for some of these very scaffoldings that will surround the construction of his novel, he needed are needed, and it can be assumed that the fate of nina petrovskaya was very inspirational. him as a creator, as a writer, it was then that he conceived a novel, which later brought him great fame, and which is still considered one of the best russian novels of the silver age, it has been translated into many languages, prokofiev wrote an opera based on this novel, the novel is called the fiery angel, this is the love triangle that underlies this novel, the action takes place in the middle ages in... brutsov in general was very fond of history, mixing times, transferring
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some modern events to the middle ages or vice versa to evoke the spirits of the middle ages from time immemorial and place them in modern settings, all this was a very typical thing for the silver age, such an accepted thing, here bryusov was inspired by this story of nina petrovskaya by andrei bely as if... humanly intervenes in it, lives it, and then he needs all this in order to write a novel, that is, in fact, nina petrovskaya initially appears on bryusov’s horizon as, so to speak, as a muse of a kind, but the muse is not in such a high sense of the word as it was in pushkin, no, it is a more consumerist, and more pragmatic attitude towards a person who... will inspire him to create an artistic image, and it should be noted that in general, nina petrovskaya
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was not some kind of fool, it’s impossible to say that she was just a naive victim, in the hands of all these poetic geniuses of that time who surrounded her, she actually wanted this, she strived for this, she can be assumed, intuitively feeling that , in fact, if she lacks this direct literary talent in order to compose artistic... texts, then let her feminine, her human talent manifest itself in order to become, well, to put it so roughly, literary material for writing works of art, that is why her union with bryusov initially turned out to be so ugly harmonious, let me allow myself such a connection, such an axemaron, but it seems to me that it can very accurately reflect what was happening then. and this is how this novel began: bryusov unexpectedly became a frequent visitor to the family of kretchatov, sokolov and nina petrovskaya,
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who were very fond of spiritualistic seances. in general, this was also such a common phenomenon for the silver age, everyone really loved to indulge in spiritualism, summoned some kind of spirits, and sometimes some very funny things were arranged hoaxes. nina petrovskaya later recalled what it meant when bryusov first came to them for a spiritualistic seance, then... which did not work out and bryusov was very dissatisfied, bryusov took this matter seriously, that is, they sat there around the table, held each other by the hands, they began to call some spirits there, but the spirits did not want to appear, and bryusov sternly said that apparently someone present here was opposing what was happening and looked sternly at nina petrovskaya, perhaps it was nina herself, then that means arose the version is that nothing is working out because there is a bad house here, somewhere there is some house in the area in the moscow region. in this house, it means that there lives a family of newlyweds who constantly hear at night some
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sounds, some voices, some, in general, something incomprehensible is happening in this house, they begged, help us get rid of this , then, that means, bryusov said, and bryusov, he considered himself such a warlock, a magician, the heir of the great bruce, who even in the time of peter i, such a warlock was, came to moscow, and bryusov believed that he was with us. this fact, when something serious, tragic, funny, went hand in hand, through
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life through literature, this is also very typical for the silver age, but the result of all these dates, all these visits by bryusov to the house of princess petrovskaya was, that they began to correspond, and then they began to meet, they began to love, real love in every sense of the word, in the fullness of this word... he poured her a tart glass of wine in which his passion was dissolved, she drank this glass i was poisoned by this glass for 7 years, in the summer of 1905, in this fatal summer for russia, yes, the summer when the first russian revolution was underway, when
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the events of the russian-japanese war took such a tragic turn, that’s when their romance began, they left. to finland on lake saimaa, yes, finland, as we remember, was then part of the russian empire, it was there, at the request of bryusov on lake saimaa, that nina petrovskaya drowned the letters of andrei bely, and they had such a happy, beautiful, wonderful love, after what they return to moscow, well, in general, bryusov got everything that... he wanted to get, in principle, reasoning a little cynically like this, he didn’t need nina anymore, and here she, in a sense , came for the second or third time for the same rake, when these great poets, these great masters of love, with whom she so strived for love, broke up with her, but she did not manage
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to break with bryusov, or bryusov did not manage to break with her so easily and so quickly. how balmont or andrei bely managed to do this. brusov, like all the people of the silver age, they were very attentive to themselves, to their lives, to all the events of their lives, they took care of everything that related to every day they lived, so bryusov had something called the don juan list, in this on the list he divided all the women who fell into... more than his attention according to rankings, yes, i was in love with this one, this one was in love with me, i just paid attention to this one, he wrote only about one woman: i loved her, this woman was nina petrovskaya, that is, finland, lake saimaa, this crazy summer, june 1905, still did not pass
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without a trace for him, after all, she launched these roots, she launched into his heart and... he just couldn’t part with her, she , of course, she wanted more, she, of course, wanted the continuation of this love and the passion that flared up there, well, as probably in the life of any woman, required, she probably assumed that some other steps would follow, but these others bryusov himself was no longer ready for the steps, but a whole volume of letters has been preserved, it was not so long ago published in full... published in our country, and there is also such a very interesting story with these letters: when you read this correspondence, then in general there is a feeling of awkwardness, because this is a very intimate correspondence, because in this correspondence nina petrovskaya simply really exposes, tears at her soul in the most literal sense of the word, and this is by far
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the best thing she wrote, all her literary, all her human, all her feminine talent...
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bryusov could not imagine that in 10 years after his death, and her death, it would already be the thirties, in the stalinist soviet union no one was interested in nina petrovskaya, in general, these letters lasted a long, long time. lay in the archives only in 2000 they were published, by the way, very well published with very deep, serious comments, a wonderful introductory article by the publishing house. literary review, if anyone wants to read such a real pistol novel, a tragic novel of incredible intensity, then i highly recommend finding this book, it will cause awkwardness,
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when you read it, but at the same time you understand that this is really a vivid example, this is what the silver age was, how people lived, how they simply really sacrificed their lives, from these letters you can clearly see these here are the fluctuations from despair to hope, they... stayed, then came together again, then they met in moscow on nikitsky boulevard, then they went to paris, then again she showered him with reproaches and could not forgive him for this way of life, this kitchen, this cooking, this sunday card game, what bryusov actually loved to study and the thing in which he found respite from all his poetic flights, this is so important for him that he cannot leave his wife and... give himself to nina, as she, nina gave herself to him. nina really wanted equality, she wanted equality in these relationships, and by the way, here you can
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again recall chekhov’s seagull, where everything was exactly like that. and brezov wrote the novel "fire angel", a novel that was a success, a novel in which he killed nina, that is, at the end of this novel nina dies, in in general, it is clear that as a literary character, he no longer needs her and as... the prototype of this character is probably the same, nina was, of course, furious, she was a very harsh woman, and there is evidence from bryusov, he writes about this to zenaidiya nikolaevna, hypios, with whom he also had such a very whimsical relationship, like all symbolists with each other. bresov writes that once in one of the performances, by the way, it was almost chekhov’s seagull, well, maybe not a seagull, but in any case it was it definitely happened in the moscow art theater, but how... which is named after chekhov, nina petrovskaya approached him, took a browning out of her clutch and wanted to shoot at him, nearby, as bryusov said, there were several people who managed
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to get ahead of her, pulled her out she has this same browning, the shot did not take place, but bryusov writes, this browning, therefore, appeared a few weeks later in another story, and he still fired, and bryusov remembers lermuntov’s photographic artist himself writes that he did not have time. be scared, everything happened very much quickly, but in any case, nina petrovskaya was just like that: love, death, eras, tanatas, all this was embodied in her fate, but even this could not motivate bryusov to abandon this constant that was in her life, then she became act on him in other ways, she began to openly cheat on him with a variety of people, and naturally people from the literary world, and one of her lovers was
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madmen, yes, just spit on them to live with some kind of human, female fate, which, probably, well, theoretically it was perhaps, but she was not psychologically prepared for this at all , such sad, but generally understandable things in human terms began to happen to her, she became addicted to alcohol, in 1911 they finally decided to separate completely, that’s where it ended their letters, and bryusov insists that nina leave. she actually went to europe for treatment in germany, then she moved to italy, she never returned to russia and until the end of her days she lived abroad, but the end of her
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life was very... sad, because in europe no one needed her, all these experiments, experiments that she did on herself did not pass without a trace, she grew old early, her health was spoiled, she could not find a means for existence, plus the first world war begins, the revolution begins, in general she really drags out the most terrible existence, she still has a sick younger sister in her arms, whom she is forced to look after, this is the only such light in... in her life appears in 1923 , when in a publishing house opened in berlin the day before, a newspaper opened the day before, headed by the writer alexei nikolaevich tolstoy, who invited nina petrovskaya as a literary collaborator, gave her a job, gave her an income, and this cooperation really meant a lot to her, but by the way, to say, it it meant a lot to alexei nikolaevich tolstoy, because it was nina petrovskaya who suggested
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the story to tolstoy. about pinocchio, it was she who translated this fairy tale for him, from which he would later write his famous golden key or adventure of pinocchio. thus, at the same time, nina ivanovna should be eternally grateful, but for her, cooperation with the day before had extremely negative consequences, because the day before there was an openly pro-soviet newspaper, it was made with money from the kremlin, everyone in immigration understood this very well, namely cooperation with the newspaper. the day before, she actually put tolstoy before a choice: either you are with us, or you are with them, but the emigration told him no, then he returns to the soviet union, and here his very interesting life is taking shape. soviet fate. she didn’t follow him to the soviet union, perhaps no one invited her there, and no one was waiting for her there, and no one needed her, she goes, returns to paris, where they look at her very askance, precisely because she has tarnished herself,
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tarnished... her reputation by collaborating with a pro-soviet newspaper, so no opportunities to collaborate, to work in the emigrant press, no longer exist for her, she actually finds herself in a situation of boycott, in isolation, she writes letters, she asks for help , they give her some crumbs, but this is all nothing, this is terrible poverty, this is hopelessness, then her beloved younger sister dies in her arms... the only one who connected her with life, and after that life is completely lost for her meaning, in 1928, nina petrovskaya committed suicide in paris, in a poor hotel, and soon after that khadasevich wrote a short epilogue, well, not an epilogue, but an epitaph, an obituary, yes, dedicated, dedicated to her
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death, where he gave very... himself became such material for creative fate of other people, ended up generally in oblivion, this is a story that personally touches me very much, so i myself have a novel called the mental wolf, and where i just think about this correlation between people who create and people who involuntarily or voluntarily they turn out to be material for creativity, but in many ways the fate of nina petrovskaya remains
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for me some kind of reproach... now, 100 years later, i really want to tell her gratitude for what she was, for the life she lived, for the way she i gave away myself without thinking or judging her, bow to her, dear friends, this was a podcast about the life of the wonderful, and you and i talked about a truly wonderful woman, nina petrovskaya, the writer alexey varlamov was with you. hello everyone, this is a free program podcast, i’m maxim tronkov, our guest is the best figure skater of our country, evgeniy semenenko. zhen, hi, hi, max, since we finally managed to see each other. yes, indeed, i’ve been waiting for you
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to visit us for a very long time, and finally here on mine. complex the schedule between studies and training has reached us, well, my first question is, of course, about the axel 4.5 revolutions, this is now such a mainstream in figure skating. how is work on it going? well, listen, at the moment i was only able to try it in one training session, as if i walked consciously, knowing what i was planning, the triple axel turned out well with a large margin, i warmed up the quadruples, i also felt, well, it’s like it’s done easily, and i decided to try it naturally , first on the fishing rods, because go straight away, well as if this is a huge risk, plus in emotional terms, as it were. there is something in my head that can be injured, there can be serious consequences, but as if first on a fishing rod, i tried on a fishing rod for the first time, well, i asked, well, to support me first, and for there to be a reserve, they supported me, i landed, okay,
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then with each at once less, less, less, well, there were few attempts, about four axles, and the last one i already asked to just do it as an imitation, that i was jumping as if on a fishing rod, but not to support me. i've done everything step-out, so happy, it seems normal, i go to the first one already without a fishing rod, a successful attempt in the daw, i go up to alexey nikolaevich, i say, alexey nikolaevich, this is real, like alexey nikolaevich is also already inspired, as if he said, yes, this is close, like me, so i went for the second time, the second one was not very successful, some consequences appeared from these attempts, but fortunately everything worked out, no, well, great. you ’ve been the leader of our team in men’s single skating for two seasons, but at the russian championships it’s not so easy for you, that is the competition is quite serious, this is also a kind of push for you to learn this most difficult jump. even
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having the most difficult elements does not guarantee victory at competitions; you can do a difficult element at the beginning, but then ruin the rest of the program on simpler elements. you know, since i commented very... i watched your performances many times, it happened during warm-ups, and it happened that, for example, your warm-up didn’t work out very well, but nevertheless you somehow you collected yourself and when going to the start showed your maximum at the moment, tell us the secret of how you get into such a mood, maybe you listen to some music, like your rival petya gumennik, or maybe you watch your favorite naruto quickly in the locker room series, depends on the starting number, if i skate at the beginning , there is no time after six minutes, just drive up. to the coaches, hear their parting words and then go to skate the program, and if i skate, for example , the final one, then i don’t know, i’m just resting, that is, there are no secrets, the music just started playing, you turn off your head and go, i
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’m already entering the competition, naturally, i want to show my maximum capabilities, you always have a very different style from season to season, you don’t stick to just one, that is, you as soon as... as soon as they dubbed the cap the king, you immediately skate ramajo juliet or the clown, like this year’s wonderful short program. et il asses de masquer son regard.
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i heard something interesting, some kind of composition, i suggest it, we put on the program only if the athlete likes it, the coaches like it, i generally just like figure skating, i try to always find something new, different athlete of any genre, but how did you come to this, because for me, when you first appeared on in our figure skating firmament, that is, yes, a good boy, stable, he used his chance when it was given to you, yes, that is, he took it , he seemed to get there at the world championships, he showed up, he didn’t get confused, that is, he grabbed this bird of happiness by the tail. flew further along results, that is, you cannot say that your career is somehow stagnating, it is really developing for you, but at that time, for example, i didn’t really like the fact that you were skating
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programs that alexei nikolaevich had already skated with his star student, like you we came to the conclusion that we need to move away from this and still do something of our own and that zhenya semenenko has his own self, they directly compared you, i say, here zhenya plushenko appeared, now zhenya again. i had a program set to igor kornelyuk’s composition bandit petersburg, and at that time it was not a debut. program, i skated it at a younger age, but i kind of liked it, an unusual composition, unpopular for figure skating, so i thought, why not, but you also had albinoni, albino, well, this is the next season, and this is also evgeniy klyuchin’s program again, well, how such coincidences happen, the most important thing is that it all worked, it’s only for your benefit, and you now continue to develop as an independent unit, let’s talk a little about your legendary coaches, i can’t separate them. tatyana nikolaevna from alexey nikolaevich, because i know that
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tatyana nikolaevna also put a lot of work into you. tell us a little about how you share these two super-specialists, or how they share you in training? i’ve been skating in alexey nikolaevich atya nikolaevna’s group since i was 8 years old, we’ve been together for 12 years, practically a family for 12 , of course, probably already, something more than just a relationship, an athlete, a coach, i’m glad that then i... ended up with him into the group and that our journey still continues, but it happens that tatyana nikolaevna with alexey nikolayevich is arguing a little there about you, what is the best way to do it or what is the best way to organize a workout, let’s say nikolaevno says no, ax 4 seconds in turn, i really insistently wanted to try it, but teya nikolaevna didn’t recommend it, she ’s afraid for me, maybe it’s just that women are wiser, so they don’t want to take such risks, well, alexey nikolaevich. as he told me, he doesn’t want to stop the impulse when an athlete
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wants to jump, as if to strive for the best, and no matter how, even considering that fall, i’m glad, that i went in, drew some conclusions for myself, and no matter how much i regret it, i’ll say so, i ’ll try further, but what do you think, tatyana nikolaevna said, i said, no, no, why is that? i still can’t help but touch on this topic, well, for me it’s really unique in modern figure skating, when from childhood three singles skaters are rivals, that is, from childhood you compete with vlad dikidzhi and peter gumennik, also with st. petersburgers, that is, from children’s st. petersburg competitions , now you are on the podium at the russian championship together, why is it unique for me that from childhood you reached... the level of the three of you, that is, no one fell off, stopped
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skating, lost motivation, well, there are many factors, when skaters do not live up to this level, here you three you are now competing with such a trio and you are all trying out the quadruple axel , you are all jumping quadruple jumps, probably, but each of you can jump the whole set of quadruples, that is, what is your secret, you are each other.
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only a triple axel and sometimes a quadruple axel, but fortunately in the adult period i was able shoot and it seems like i’m still holding the bar, i hope the guys will be able to, as if everything will be fine for them in the future, now you’ve won everything, all the tournaments, yes, which are available, what’s next, what’s the motivation, where do you get it to move on? , you draw from it because - for example, at some point i got bored
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at competitions, because when you are an olympic champion, there are those, for example, the same zhenya plushenko, who wants more, that is, he, i olympic champion, i want to go this way again, one more time to win the olympics, there is this type of athletes, and there are people like me who won the olympics and do not find the strength to continue working again, because why am i already there at the top, i already took it, reached it and i didn’t have any motivation to move. now it turns out that we have the russian championship and the russian grand prix final - these are the two most important tournaments, and you have won the russian championship twice already, there is such a negative point, that all of you are not available to us... we can have the starts, as it was earlier, but don’t despair, first of all, i like figure skating, as long as i can skate, naturally, i will continue to do it, and first of all to please myself, the fans, my real loyal fans, coaches,
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figure skating is popular in our country, they watch him, so well , you really have more and more fans every year, are we... or are we busy? no, i’m pleased, of course, by the attention, but as if i’m minding my own business, my own business - what is it, this is your student life, you’re just a little bit, a student first honey, and it takes, i understand how much time, how do you even combine training, so energy-intensive with a huge
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number of quadruples, exactly the same energy-intensive training, one of the most difficult educations, i think, is... medicine, i i’m already used to this schedule, it was very difficult in the first year , now i’m in the third year, also difficult, but probably still in terms of workload, the first one was still harder, i have almost no free time, except that usually on saturday evening i can take a break , it seems to me, from this was also a plus for sports, because i initially set difficult conditions for myself, like, first i run to the university, then... i go to the skating rink, and after ice training, i go home, at the same time on the subway, reading the notes for the next lesson, and i come home, i literally sat down there, ate and rested there for about 15 minutes and went to study the next topic for the next lesson, as if
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thanks to the fact that i set the most difficult conditions for myself, firstly, discipline appeared, how i... i was talking to someone and mentioned that what the more free time you have, the more uselessly you spend it, having already put yourself in such difficult conditions, it becomes easier for me to perform at competitions, because when i arrive, i think, oh, well, at least i’ll take a break, at competitions you don’t take notes you read, not at competitions, no, i’m completely focused and from studying, i’m only concentrating. at competitions, at performances, i revealed the secret to the goon now, because in my opinion he teaches his mathematics all the time, you gain new knowledge, in anatomy, in biomechanics, physiology, does this help you in the training process, because perhaps you already know your body much better than any other athlete? no, yes, of course, i find some moments that
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i can link to sports, even with injuries, i already roughly understand how long recovery can take, and how to behave. in case of injuries, what can be done, what is contraindicated, well, so far in this regard, i have not yet graduated from the university, have you already had an internship at the university? a practice, of course, is completed after each course, well, i was in intensive care, put on an iv, restored peripheral catheters, well, so, at the moment i like surgery and - diagnostics, the same mri, ct, x-rays - in this regard, myself i see that your mother is also a doctor, yes, your mother is an endocrinologist, a doctor of functional diagnostics, functional diagnostics is a very real option, they have already started undergoing propaedeutics for acg, and recently the cycle of the vascular system ended, so i liked it, and mom helps you with your studies if there is something for me...

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