and who, at one time or another, listens to him, well, look, and since we are still trying to steer into some kind of serious conversation, in fact, well, it’s clear that it’s important to somehow be able to be ironic about oneself, maybe laugh, but on the other hand, one smart priest once said to me, never take yourself seriously, but take seriously what you do, but here’s how to catch this line, well, when you take yourself seriously , this is too much, this is the path to delusions of grandeur, when are you?

with the most important matters - this is nothing more than the games of grown-up children, they take this extremely seriously, you see, it’s just a game of a grown-up child, but it can also be very useful, sometimes, on the contrary , you need to preserve your child in order to do something very seriously, look, the laughter and joy that we bring to people, yes, but how they coexist with each other, one without

the other, if there, yes, the apostle paul says: always rejoice, but this does not mean laugh endlessly, so maybe even deeper dig, it’s clear from where i’m quoting: woe to you who laugh now, for you will weep and weep, and now, perhaps, refers to the present now, and maybe this is all, this is not a godly thing, and there is no need to laugh at all, who has what path, all in all? or like an ostrich's head in the sand, uh-huh, or be in constant despondency, all very deep , serious questions, really, it depends on where we are digging for whom, i will continue without quotes, i will continue without quotes, let's let everything be quoted, you see, i have practiced self-irony , at least a little bit, yes coach, here he is moment that it’s like laughter... it’s

a tool that gives you the opportunity to taste joy, but if you can’t always uh understand sincerely uh feel the joy that you need, you need to experience, yes, unfortunately, sometimes we need us somehow make us laugh and give us a taste of joy, but this, this does not mean that we should be deceived, that this is all the joy that can be, but this feeling, it’s as if thanks to laughter, you begin to touch... to the right mood, to the correct perception of life and attitude, even if look so deeply, and here, of course, joy is one thing, unbridled fun is another thing, there is laughter and so on, that is, this can also go from one extreme to another, but without uh, sometimes when you are deeply despondent sometimes, in order to pull you out of this despondency, you need to give you a sample of this joy, just like that. and it can be

something very simple, it can be simple, it can be strange, but it just at least pulls you out of the state and makes you understand what is actually in reality, that is - and based on this you can reason, that uh, laughter and humor, it often brings us down to earth, as if it shows reality, that is, in this it is an instrument of self-irony, that is, you can, if without self-irony you become bronzed, bronzed, bronzed, bronzed.

throughout the year i regularly fell into what we call civil sorrow, that is, simply the blues, but slavichka liked it , dear varvara petrovna. subsequently, in addition to civil grief, he began to fall into

where you laughed, where you smiled, where you exhaled, rejoiced, why now is very they often use it in tv series, for example, that this is a dramedy genre, well, there is no such genre, but at the same time, it’s like it’s right here. even in an everyday moment, we determine that yes, this is a dramedy, and initially any comedy series, any comedy film work, it has a dramatic essence, and just if you take away the tool of comedy from there, then it will just be a sad dramatic plot, that ’s how as soon as you are with the instrument of comedy, it immediately has some kind of therapeutic effect, it turns out that with with humor, the work becomes more useful for the person, for the viewer, for the reader. and deeper at the same time, well, look, the word jester was also heard, yes, but this is also , well, a jester, this is not someone completely frivolous, but besides other things, a jester is a person who manages to tell the truth when the rest are silent, you can say so , you can probably describe the jester in such a pretentious way,

but the jester is also an opportunist, that is, here it’s like the actual guy can, if you like, that is, he... will tell the truth that at this moment he will be an irritant, uh-huh, that is, he will turn to a different audience, he will begin to tell a different truth, that is, there seems to be a moment such that this is also a tool, and this is some kind of skill that you in front of one audience you tell one story, for another audience you tell another story, but each time you try, like a professional jester, you try to be clearly relevant in order to get insight like that. yes, but you are now, as it were , in a modern context, so to speak, and i ’m even saying, actually, if we are there a few centuries ago we unscrew it and this was also a function and it is probably preserved today to one degree or another, yes, in satire there, but it seems to me that before a jester was a laugher who was allowed to do this, that is, he

spoke such a truth in such a genre, in such a form that the king wanted to listen, although in principle it could be completely... destructive, offensive, there, so to speak, he could actually make the king a laughing stock, yes, but in such a form that no one could stop laughing, there was truth in this in this mirror, it means that the king saw himself, but through this general reaction, and he himself could laugh, but so to speak, it seemed to be softened, such anesthesia arose from this pain, from this injection, but he learned about himself ... i’m telling the truth, it was such a mirror, well, i want to argue a little here, the jester, he’s a comedian, well, he has a tool of paradox, he understands that in this society, they say one thing, that’s i’ll say now, they never say, yes, at some point this arose in contrast,

that oh, this is not true, that means, but this is true, that is, yes, somewhere it gets there, i’m just older, so i remembered the tsarist times, i remember the tsarist times. yes, i found it too, that is, what i’m talking about is that we are now, we are now sort of arguing that yes, this is true, in fact, how can we now be transported to that moment. he simply acted according to the situation, a simple example, but i still insist that the jester is still an opportunist, an infection, and uh, a simple example is that in front of the king, in front of his retinue, he will one thing to joke and tell one story, when he goes out into the square in front of the people, he will beat up a strange person, relatively speaking, orlekin beating up a pyro - this is something like, well, that people like any strange person they would like to beat up, so in front of them the jester began to beat. he’s not telling any other truths, he’s saying something that is potentially of interest

to the audience at the moment, well, let’s turn up the heat, so to speak, this is such a borderline story of yurotism, how is this true, this is definitely true, yes without context, what was said there by some kind of basil the blessed and even the tsar was said in the extreme, but in such a general form, well, it probably cannot be called humorous. this is just becoming a mission, it’s just a topic that’s really interesting to me, because to some extent it is

a kind of uh the only light on the way in the dark kingdom and yes, yes, yes, that is, no matter how you twist the humor, it it’s still based on a paradox on a lie, but if we say twist in the direction of the light where to go, then of course foolishness is the highest degree self-irony, which carries - well, some kind of extremely deep yes, that is, it is some kind of completely. it’s not like the aims are there above me, naturally i couldn’t miss the story of father gabriel, the georgian, and this, well, of course it’s surprising, that is, he’s still funny, well, there were a lot of saints who were close to comical , and this comicality was bright, blissful due to which you wanted to change, well, the theme is certainly. but nevertheless, why did i say something human, which we are unlikely to be able to appreciate, well, after all, all sorts of things are written there falliants, there is byzantine foolishness, russian as a cultural phenomenon, yes, that is, there is clearly a certain internal state

of foolishness, and there are blessed plowmen, look, there is one more topic that i would like to touch upon, it is generally understandable and well-known , but it seems to me that all the time some kind of understatement remains, something you can’t laugh at, it seems to me that one of the... absolute criteria is when you should stop if it hurts someone, even if you don’t understand it , are you ready to agree with this or not, most likely yes, rather, yes, and there is also a moment when you say offensive things, but you say it to your face, having agreed in advance that you, well, relatively speaking, a genre, like some kind of rap battle , some type of rap battle, like a roast, this is a genre. which, relatively speaking, when you have agreed on the rules in advance, here vladimir rmanovich and i go out and tease each other,

this will be interesting for you and me, and people will be interested, but this does not mean that if i start talking about you without you , that’s another story, that is, here, well, the line always exists, it seems that it doesn’t it hurts, but it’s still unpleasant, it’s still unpleasant, but this is also kind of a problem, that is, well, the problem is that not... every comedian or humorist understands the consequences of this humor, well, this is for me too, it’s too difficult for a circus, what you’re saying is very strong from within, from the experience that i don’t have, but that’s exactly what i meant, there’s just some kind of set of clichés that there you can’t joke about a religious topic, it’s not true, it’s not true, you can, but what is a parable, yes, i have a favorite story, it became my favorite when my friend told me that, as he says, it changed my life. you know, such a parable theme, how a new russian dies, then goes to heaven,

tries to go to heaven, the apostle says to him: you are not on the lists, he says, why not, what are you starting to say: i built so many churches, so much money i spent it on the church there, and we calmly said: we will return the money to you, firstly, it’s very funny, yes, and secondly, here’s my friend, he says: you know, he says, i suddenly realized that they would return the truth, this joke, it is, that is, it’s really possible, but the most subtle, let’s take some ancient patericons and so on, the most subtle humor, but is it possible? charlie ebdo. a question of education, erudition and ethics. ethics is simply the element that gives you the opportunity to make a decision. you take responsibility when you show. paradox, when you start joking sharply, this is the line, when you cross it, that is, you take responsibility for yourself, yes, now i’ll joke so that it will be surprising for everyone, but someone will be offended, and you begin to weigh how, relatively speaking, to weigh mercantilely, that is, you begin to count the benefits, i will destroy this one, i will offend, these people will all be upset, but

look how much they will hurt, but you are again thinking from the industry, yes, that i will go on stage there, i am not talking about... something changing the world for the better, i don’t know, everything is based on intuition, everything, man, there is so much innate in a person, so much, every soul is a christian and so on and so forth, where you feel that you are killing someone else’s the soul, its fragility, its love, specifically, when you joke, you can joke harshly about a phenomenon, yes, but if it’s about a person, then it takes on a completely different form, you’re already killing him with a word, an image, and so on, here are religious themes in general, very delicate matters, but i think that there is

amazing christian orthodox humor in parables. and some statements are the most subtle, intelligent, they are beautiful in their verbosity and height, sometimes some other vertical component is missing, so here’s to me i really like humor, so to speak, this kind of humor with heavenly roots, because there is more paradox in it, it seems that it’s as if it’s dangerous to joke about this topic, and if suddenly it... the joke becomes good, you have double the pleasure, you laugh , it’s safe and also has morals, and well, you think it’s class, today we gathered our thoughts on the topic of humor, what is its content, boundaries, framework, andrey knyshev, gavriil gordeev, i’m vladimir ligoida, we continue, i’m new here i read it, one

priest says, imagine, he comes a woman comes to him for confession, she says, it’s terrible, it’s just, father, a nightmare, what... well, what is it? i’m reading, saying prayers, at that moment the cat falls from the windowsill and knocks over a pot with a flower, she starts laughing, then the tank says: well, the cat didn’t kill himself, no, it’s fine, flower, no, everything is fine, but he says what are you repenting of? , i can’t read, he says, when i get to these words in this prayer, it hits me, i start laughing, the priest is standing, laughing, because she’s poor, she’s almost crying, yes, that is, you understand, a person is himself drives her into a situation where she already sees herself as a terrible blasphemer, but thank god, she came across a wise old man, he says: listen, don’t read this prayer for two, three months, yes, then it will pass, yes, that is, you understand, this is a man it really can - this is what we started with, yes, some kind of seriousness, seeing these halftone accents is not there at all, this is a question of a sense of humor, a question of

your own embarrassment from what is funny to you, is that the same? problem, that is, we are starting to rethink, well, we have a sense of humor many people have it, so you see, yeah, that is, so that we try to determine at the beginning, initially many people have it, but we hide it behind seriousness and so on, that is, in childhood, everyone definitely has it, and then over time we’re getting a little rude in this regard , of course we’re starting to feel embarrassed about what ’s funny to us, but do you agree, andrey, that this might go away somehow with age, maybe? you can go and come, you can develop a sense of humor, you can, i have examples, through persistent training, at least the person who is next to you, he, tuning into your wave, to your certain vision of things, gradually begins to get used to it, then he can even try himself

in dialogues with you, knowing that you think like this, to begin to adapt, yeah, it turns out. you encourage him, as a result, in space, when he is with you, he somehow starts joking, communicating, seeing things from such an angle, then another team leaves and comes back and says: i’m there, i have some strange people, they have absolutely no sense of humor, we told them this, we laughed, i told them, but attention, they are kind of stupid, they have no sense of humor and so on, while i just know that a person may be before this... he didn’t think like that, didn’t perceive like that, did n’t joke, in general, didn’t from his sphere, so it became magnetized, saturated, magnetized, right? but this is a common mistake of many comedians, that every time you think that in a circle, when you are writing, preparing, it’s one story, you always need to check, when you go out into

the hall you realize that you prepared something wrong, no one understands , well, this is also a question from the audience, but it’s like a lecture, you you’re reading, like the same time, i ’m reading now, one similar course, yes, at the same institute, just in different faculties, i have the feeling that i have... students from different planets, in one they take it very seriously, in the other i’m laughing okay, no, that you immediately, no, no, i’m in one, well , somehow i see interest, they turn on, yes, in the other there is absolutely, absolutely no contact, here was the story of how two lecturers came, actually , one lecturer, the second artist, they mixed up the halls and came, which means, accordingly, the comedian came there, where am i waiting?

one famous person, later, then he was the director of the program, brought a real priest, i won’t hide it, i was generally happy, there was immediately such

a very pleasant atmosphere, an aura, but i realized that i couldn’t help but tell him that like now, just tell me with god, that is, i intuitively felt that it was impossible, that it was necessary to explain why, in the name of what it was, i began to tell him all this, i even understood better what the program was about? he was the one who made the opening remarks, and in fact, i think maybe it was the only, first precedent when a priest blessed a program, but it didn’t go on air, that is, by the way, i didn’t know this, yes, it wasn’t edited, my inner feeling told me that anyway, well, somehow it wouldn’t be received that way , the audience has not yet matured. it was necessary to approach this differently then, in general, we once asked to light the stage, everything failed, no, we always performed in the atrium, suddenly we

have it, we are invited to perform on another stage, on a more expensive one, now you will understand why we asked to light , to the club heaven for us, where is the club heaven, remember this one?

something is permissible or something is appropriate in comedy, when on the topic of faith, this is always due to the fact that a huge amount of humor arises one way or another, themes, some jokes on this topic and so on, but it’s great that we never had to, relatively speaking, directly monitor this from the point of view of the fact that there are some rules or something else, but we have experiences in tv series when we looked at how appropriate or inappropriate this is in the work . but the author himself always wondered, this line, of course, well i have to, this self-awareness, how it should be anyway, it is clear that the conversation is endless, and the broadcast is finite, so i have to wrap it up, but what is really very important to me is what i wanted to offer you and offered as a criterion, this not my idea, it was yuri mikhailovich lotman who spoke, he defined it, really, he wasn’t talking about humor, he was talking about who

a cultured person is, he was talking about...

thank you, dear friends, i am very grateful to you for your patience, for your indulgence , but i think that if you agree, maybe we will gather our thoughts once again, the main thing is that it will be interesting for the audience and listener, so i’ll look from the outside and decide whether we will get together again or not, don’t show it, thank you very much, andrey knyshev, gavriil gordeev, i’m vladimir ligoida, we were going with thoughts on a serious topic. what is humor? hello everyone, this is a podcast about the culture of life, our topic today is: how to arrange a small apartment, because it seems to me that we, in principle, have a country of small apartments, and today i have amazing guests, simply legendary

person, alexey ginsburg, grandson. the same moses gindsburg, one of the brightest constructivists, architects, who built the narkomfin house, and alexey, in fact, is an architect himself, and he took the restoration of this house into his own hands , restored it, and now it is a masterpiece, not washed, beautiful, updated, and polina streltsova, who is the senior curator of the zotov center for constructivism, she has a magnificent exhibition going on right now, working and living the architecture of constructivism 1917-1937 and... in general khrushchev, they are in a sense the heirs of the ideas of constructivism, which, just in case, are also called bauhaus and the international style all over the world, its most intriguing and short-lived manifestation is functionalism, constructivism was basically absolutely functional, well, just a name this has already stuck with him, because there were also groups of architects, functionalists, and rationalists, now that’s

all. constructivism is usually perceived as such an umbrella brand, there were many groups, no, it was a 100% functional architecture, functionally deterministic. well, khrushchevkas are the famous apartments with four or six meters of kitchen, a combined small toilet with a bathroom, small straight rooms, there are 8-10 m maximum, yes, but in principle this is already such a wildly budgetary event, but constructivism itself, aka it wasn’t like that, as it seems to me, only... look, khrushchevka and people’s commissariat of finance are all social housing, but they have completely different meanings, because khrushchevka is a social resettlement program, whose main task was mass production, and no one there looked at anything other than the housing itself, and the apartments were small, in fact

there were more apartments in the people's commissariat. than in other khrushchev apartments, there are different tiers, different types of apartments, we are just used to cells like f 37 m all the time, but now 37 m is such an absolutely normal format, that’s what we are designing for today’s business class there. this is absolutely familiar to a modern person, why is the people's commissariat of finance, it is absolutely modern, and what is included in it is our life today, then it was visionary, now this is an absolutely understandable way of life for us, but the social program of the people's commissariat of finance, it is of course much more complex than that of the khrushchevs, and what the constructivists proposed in the late twenties was to create such an absolutely comfortable environment for people, an environment in general, not just a house, an environment, that’s why they called it a communal house, not a commune house, but a communal house, that is, a house where... there are, in addition to all the household services that we are now also very familiar with, and there as the first one of the first in in moscow there were mechanical laundries, a canteen where you could buy food, a gym, you could buy food there around the clock or not, not around the clock, that later came

now, that is, people ate exactly like a day, all the people, people bought food daily, they brought it to their apartment, where they had their own kitchen, and could eat it there around the clock, they didn’t cook it around the clock, but i could eat it. was whatever, so the space, public space, huge diversity, a community was created, a house is like this social programmer, or as western researchers called it at one time, social condenser, social condenser, because really people, so i talked to people and read memories, talked to people who lived there in different years, and who live there now, and who lived there temporarily 20 years ago, they all told me that the house seemed to form a community out of them, then this program itself is social, it was how it was conceived, it works like this now, these are all these public spaces, the place where they meet, starting with these bright corridors, which are like streets, in fact, in carbezier’s houses , inheriting the people’s commissariat of finance already in post-war europe, they were called streets, this is also

part of the public space, that is , to create a human environment, to create a habitat around the apartment, in itself a small apartment, this is a corner where you feel absolutely yourself - protected, fully equipped with everything you need, but besides... like communal apartments, well, i mean these standard communal apartments, that this is simply the best a place for socialization, well, in some way, well, no, well, no, of course, in the people's commissariat of finance, you know that after the war, that is... when the first generation of residents left the house for various reasons, half, even most , probably in '37 -39, and the rest left for evacuation in '41, returned already in '43, yeah, after the war they started dividing it into communal apartments, my

grandfather's apartment, for example, three families lived there, and what is this area, well, 100 m2, this is one of the largest apartments at the end, semicircular balconies on the south side, three families were settled there, i talked with the person who lived there, who was a representative of one. sometimes i get burned when i don’t understand, there are some things from my point of view that are not very compatible, as if this is an idea of ​​​​the beauty inside an apartment, but i mean that, for example, a 6-7 m kitchen , and all the walls there will be in

these closets, yes, which means there will definitely be a huge huge refrigerator there, even if it’s a family of one person, and a lot of space, spent, well, i consider it stolen from myself, because in general, well, i don’t know why you need five or... six from the bottom from the top of these shelves for dishes, if you just don’t have dishes, no, of course, it’s clear, you always you’ll find something to clog it up with dust, well, why, you clean it up, well, like me 2/3, for example, you have more space, because you have more air, yes, or now i’m just throwing it at you, these are the things, i think somehow terribly wrong, and you are already like professionals, i hope you will also share, the most a terrible mistake that people make is a sofa, a bed that never folds up, once a year my mother comes there, i don’t know, to make it look nice, this sofa folds up, then unfolds again for a year. and not only that, you also - then you become the happy owner of a bad back, what kind of wrong things do people do, from your point of view, when they want to do, well, when they make their life in a small apartment? and you know,

it seems to me that if, again, we recall the constructivist experience, when people begin some space in a small apartment is open, but blocking it off with walls, for example, partitions, well, this does not come from a good life, when more people are crammed into this apartment, of course, than... the number for which it was designed, that is, the idea of ​​​​an apartment in narkomfin, what is good about it? the apartment is small, but due to the combination of two heights, there are the same 230 at a frequency of 260 from floor to floor, etc. double height 4.60 or one and a half height 3.75, there is a feeling of much more space than it actually is, and space is flowing, and if you start partitioning it off with partitions, it turns into a set of cliches, i wouldn’t call it a mistake, it’s just not from a good life that everything happens when a house is simply used for other purposes than its intended purpose, and if we talk about houses here such, well, there is the well-known neronzea house there, this house - it was strongly connected with american hotel-type houses. it is connected with constructive houses in only one way: that

it was also a reaction to the new society, to the changes in industrial society, when new classes arose with new needs, they needed to be offered some other way of life and other living conditions, this is what it is connected with, but it was bourgeois, there was no kitchen, because there was a house kitchen from which you could order food, then there, it was initially aimed at serving a cabaret there, with a cinema on the roof - and some kind of thing too, yeah. their social program, of course, this is not the program of the people's commissariat of finance and the constructivists, not even once, and the fact that they are these corridor houses, this may be the only thing that formally unites them, but there were no kitchens, and then they all started to be built in, when families were already moving in there, after the revolution, of course, what a home kitchen, like many other kolobukhov houses, this house also evolved greatly, they began to build in kitchens, that’s how these people then in the bathroom i tried to integrate them -

in principle, this is quite related to constructivism and modernism, into a complex operating system, that is, you are an architect, he thinks it through, he has it... now if this system worked as

it was intended, we would all admired her fruits, for example, as far as i know, the same narkomfin building now works as it was supposed to, in contrast to the same khrushchev, where everything is clear, this is a model, again well known, but you have a place where to cook, a place where sleep, well, some, some, so you basically live there according to your usual pattern, but there are no qualitative changes. housing in today's world requires care and operation, it's like a car, if you don't take care of it, it will deteriorate, technology and the amount of technology with which our houses are stuffed, modern, of any function, they require conscious, thoughtful operation; if this culture is not there, then these houses are suitable. well, starting from clean entrances, scheduled

repairs, engineering systems, and, excuse me, just cleaning the internal drain, which if it gets clogged, then the water remains in the pipe, as in the people's commissariat of fenesty it bursts and the facade turns into a complete nightmare. well , for example, if it’s not like in the narkonfin house, where the height allows for two levels, yes, let’s say some kind of super-standard one-room apartment, not i know there are 30-34 m2, but with all these kitchens there are seven, i don’t know what to do, how... to make a bed on top, for example, on some second level, listen, well, these are lofts, they are only made differently now , in a standard apartment, the height will never allow you to make a bed on top, this is only the fifth element in the film, where it rises, the elevator goes down, where everything moves, and you can use the entire small space very flexibly, but for children they make bunk beds, even in the smallest apartments , yes, because they are generally small and so far they haven’t grown up, they have enough space, yes, it’s true, where does a person stop having enough? a place wide or upward, of course, here is

a yacht, it seems to me, for those people who are perhaps going to imagine how they can live together, for example, in a standard one-room apartment, but on a yacht there, the best geniuses of the universe have thought out absolutely everything. they were the ones who were inspired by the design of yachts, airplanes, train compartments in ginsburg’s book housing, where he had this experience of working with the typology of housing. analyzed, these are just these examples are given, so yes, this is very correct, yachts, yes, but we are talking about a little something else, now we are talking about apartments in which one or two generations live, then in... the century the way of life was different, in one apartment, as a rule, three generations lived, this is of course much more difficult when one or two generations live in an apartment, this can make the space much more open, you can open these small rooms into each other with some kind of openings, you can create the feeling that the space continues somewhere- then further, some corner of the kitchen comes out

there is a bar counter in the living room, that is , the plasticity of this space is much more subject to you, simply because you... well, a huge number of furniture systems, ranging from storage to such libraries that can go into cabinets, there are a large number of other proposals with built-in furniture,

we designed for the people's commissariat of finance, now during the restoration we designed all the built-in furniture anew and of course in the process of adaptation. added some elements inside the apartments, precisely for this purpose for built-in furniture to be perceived as part of the house, integral, this is incredibly interesting and difficult. polina, you were talking about these measurements, yes, there seems to be some kind of correlation between a large space, a lot of air, a person is happy, a small space, the person there is not happy, i don’t know, it somehow affects nali, that’s exactly constructivists, that’s what they were talking about, that they were talking about exactly what you’re talking about, we need a lot of rubbish, we need light, we need air, and well, in fact, we need some kind of clear system, because - when you have, i don’t know, a large apartment, filled with a huge number of things, in order to service it you need uh , i don’t know staff, yeah, that’s when you live in a small - comfortably well-furnished

apartment, where you really understand, well , it’s in the little things you can actually feel how high your table should be. are the armrests located there comfortably or the same sofa bed that you are talking about, this is also actually the brainchild of constructivism, all this transformable furniture, again not from a good life, because there was an idea that you could make a chair, a table, a wardrobe at the same time, and foxes have such things, it’s interesting that at your exhibition such a large layer is dedicated specifically to the microdistrict, as they took it.

with social services, so that you have kindergartens, libraries, garages, pharmacies, hospitals within walking distance from your homes, this is all that we are now accustomed to, and even with all the, i don’t know, muscoviteness, yes, this love for the center, very frequent feedback that i don’t want to live here, because it’s inconvenient here, i don’t have any greenery here, there’s no playground, and there’s no store, and the kids who grew up in wormwood are in the same prigus. how it was possible to live differently and how it generally happens, and they started designing all this just back in the twenties, then they started making these diagrams of social services, including

moses ginsburg doing work on a green city, the truth is different there there was a little story about linear settlement, but nevertheless they calculated at what... distance there must be certain housing facilities in order to generally feel comfortable in your daily routine, well, that is , it is clear that you have a cinema there, well , i’ll talk about that later, but there should be one in the area, there clinics, schools a little more often, clinics there somewhere in the middle, you seem to be able to get to the cinema, you have to, well, probably crawl to the clinic, nursery schools are close there, in general this is now used and... is revealed in modern architectural practice, in these new lcd, so in general all this comes from the twenties, now there must be infrastructure, so when people build human shelters there, conditionally, it should be there. of course, words are not required, but again some kind of environment is created, well, even if you just want people to buy apartments, they must see that when they buy

apartments, they have the necessary services around them, that is, life forces them, in fact, the program - the same one that was conceived at the beginning of the last century, and today, in order to interest people in buying an apartment, they are no longer offered just an apartment, they they offer a certain solution, a lifestyle, they are offered... a certain environment, each of the developers there is trying to individualize this environment, somehow offer something different from others, there is some kind of competition in landscape design, what public spaces, what courtyards, what kind of playgrounds, because this is competition, and this is very cool, in fact, even in general, in fairly inexpensive complexes, so to speak, they still offer a huge range of all kinds of services, that is, such a self-regulating system that it works based on... the needs of the people who live there, how to live with a ceiling of 250, well, by the way, are there ceilings of 250 or is it still 2.60, the ceilings are 230, but in small rooms,

double rooms in large ones, of course there are ceilings of 2.60 here just in khrushchev they are 2.50 or even sometimes 2.45 when well 2.60 is like a more standard more standard height, well 260, listen, now houses are being built all over the world, let’s say, not cheap, like they like to say that they are elite and the ceilings there are 250 and 2.60 now, that is, high ceilings are such is our fetish, uh, because uh , after the fact that the avant-garde was quietly buried after the well-known decree of the thirty-second year, when all creative groups were united into creative unions under the leadership of the wise guide of the communist party holding them tightly. then the project began to develop and a completely different discourse arose, completely different houses began to be built, with

apartments with three-meter ceilings, this became a measure, that the ceiling is high, no less than 3 m, well, no, i won’t go, after all i just wanted to live like those rich people, but it also seems to me that, in principle, in general, what are you doing in the apartment, and with all my special passion for constructivism there, even if now you divide it a little, yes, well, you ’re lying there. you’re all sitting there, like, why do you need something special, everyone has this suffering, guys, don’t suffer from the fact that you have 2.50 or 2.60 ceilings, life is great in this, it’s all just so... then the stigmas and some are much more important than the size of the okhin, we are there for different types of residential complexes we designed apartments that were sometimes completely dried out, very small, but modern at the same time, but we tried and are trying to make large windows, and large windows in a small apartment perfectly compensate. and the height of the ceilings that we are talking about now, and small rooms, it’s much more comfortable, much cooler,

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