give him some remarks to the public, shout something, and he said that i don’t perform in the final and messy conditions, well, that is, he had performances, there were, but somehow the publications didn’t work out at all, and now it’s difficult to judge how much he really experienced his fact of unpublishability, well , he probably thought about it, the author cannot help but think about it,

to say, this kind of feedback, feedback from the general public and some kind of wide literary recognition, can you just imagine it due to imagination artist? well, you know, i don’t need to imagine this, i myself was in this situation, and i actually started writing, it’s very interesting, when i was 20 years old, i had, you know, two starts like this in literature, my first start... turned out to be unsuccessful, i was 20 years old, it was the ninetieth year, that is, one might say, perestroika had not yet ended, so i started writing short prose, so i didn’t have any response, i tried to submit these stories to magazines, no , there was no reaction, here i am for several years i wrote like this, just really, on the table, and beyond the circle of my few friends. it didn’t go away, but that’s in general, but

this circle of friends supported, also kind of supported, supported, supported, and they were very understanding friends, so their assessment was important to me, but still it’s basically written off to the table, that’s why i know this situation, moreover, when i spent several years in this situation later, i somehow left literature classes. years, and then there, when, when i was already over 30, already at the very beginning of the 2000s, i made a second attempt again, and it also took some time for me to start getting some publications, that too, well, a little, you know, i had to hit my head against this wall, well , a man from podolsk became, probably, the milestone after which this writer’s fate turned around, right, probably, after all, the first milestone was the novel horizontal position, which was included in the short list. awards, a big book, that

’s when i got some initial fame, well, the play is a man from podolsk, my position has greatly improved, let’s say, that’s why i imagine the position of an author writing for the table, well, i imagine, i just had, of course, i don’t want to compare myself with kharms, it’s somehow generally unethical and bad, but i i understand that this, well, for me it was a rather unpleasant experience, some kind of response is important, feedback is important and... some kind of audience, audience, after all, for me this is, well, i, i fully admit that there are such giants of spirit, who, for whom it is not important, yes, for whom it is important to just work, for sure there are such authors, yes, so i can say, i bow to such an attitude, but for me it was still important, what about the play, the man from podolsk, how were you inspired for this story? firstly, i had such a desire.

write a play, well, i just wanted some variety, some new literary territory to explore, so i accidentally saw on the news a report about how some person was detained by the police, here in russia and he was subjected to some kind of punishment at the police station. then to a strange interrogation, he then he told journalists that he was asked some completely wild questions, he still didn’t understand what it was, i somehow immediately latched on to it, thought that this could be the plot of the play. well, yes, that’s how it gradually began to come up, i came up with the idea of ​​these police intellectuals, that is , i wanted to turn the usual image of a police tago upside down, but these are police intellectuals like... who talk to

the detained hero not about some kind of crime, but about the world around us, about culture, about literature, well, gradually, philosophy, let’s say, and the perception of the world. yes, yes, yes, when he once again begins to be indignant , he asks, what is this? well, this is an identification, we may have been detained, an identification must take place, they are actually doing this, well, that’s it, why is the person from podolsk, why exactly podolsk? uh, you know, this means absolutely nothing, it’s accidental, i just so successfully could he be a person from khimki, from krasnogorsk, from lyubertsy. a man of deviousness is present there too, it doesn’t mean anything, that is , there is no symbolic meaning here, i just know podolsk well enough, i lived there near podolsk at one time and visited there often, that is, you yourself are a person from podolsk, well, i myself am from moscow, i was born and i grew up in the center

of moscow, the garden ring, but i’ve been there for some time, in general, i have some connection with podolsk, i know this city quite well, so it’s just naturally important for a writer to write about it. about what he knows, of course, yes, yes, you can find out this image of a policewoman, she is somehow very gentle, she kindly addresses the characters, she seems to soften all the conflicts, but at the same time, in my opinion, she is the most terrible person in this play, and to be honest, an icy horror fills her these kind words, that is, this image also somehow came quickly, this paradox, and you know? i must here say these words of gratitude to my good friend, director olga stolpovskaya, and in fact, she suggested to me the very idea of ​​​​introducing a female character, i

i didn’t have her in my original plan, she just talked to me, i told her about my plans there, she told me that there was clearly a lack of women. character, i then came up with this policewoman, but i didn’t have any prototype, it’s just from my head, but it’s a huge success, well, i also like this image in the end, but how it is, how it is performed in the film adaptation, you like it, like it , of course, victoria isakova played wonderfully, wonderfully, very much, she incredibly fits my type it seems, yes, beautiful, yes, in type, just perfect, and she managed to convey this demonic quality, and at the same time this... his creative heritage with dmitry danilov, writer, poet, playwright. dmitry, do you

consider kharms to be your literary teacher, maybe you inherit some of his literary tradition, this absurdity, yes, funny tragedy. harns is not so much a teacher for me as an inspirer, but he definitely served as an inspiration for me, i actually started, started writing, largely under impression from his texts, they inspired me to try something, the word teacher, it still probably suggests some kind of communication in life, some kind of contact, but somehow i don’t really imagine teacher who passed away several decades ago. before i was born, i probably wouldn’t call this a teacher, but an inspirer - that’s absolutely true, this is one of the few authors who inspired me to start writing, yes, well, i can’t say that i continue him in some way - then tradition, i probably wouldn't do it that way, but i

i find some similarity in the fact that in your play there is a man from podolsk, something tragic and terrible, but it seems funny. kharms also amazingly combines humor with tragedy, in this sense he is completely unique and inimitable, that through his work we feel both the tragedy of existence and its at the same time funnyness, absurdity, yes, some kind of, i don’t know, paradoxicality , yes, indeed, kharms possessed at the same time. an amazing sense of the funny, somehow absolutely unique, and at the same time acutely tragic worldview, this combination of these very strong features, it led to this amazing literature of his, in this

sense, in principle, i hope that well, if you say that in my texts, too , this is the effect of a combination of the funny and tragic, but if it is there, i'm glad. so, but you know, i think that many authors strive for this, for this effect, it is a very strong effect when it is combined, but it is probably impossible to achieve, but how... it is achieved, do you think, with the help some philological techniques, some verbal machine, yes, because - in general , the oboriuts, how they differ in what - the peculiarity of this direction, that is, what kind of manifestos they had, yes, on what they based their views on art, well , it’s quite difficult for me to talk about this, well that's how i am, you can say.

and vedensky, first of all, these were the main ones, the main authors, they were the main authors,

but they were friends, comrades and a lot of fate walked side by side, yes, yes, yes, they were friends, but at the mature stage of their work, well at least hams moved on the word “traditional” doesn’t really suit him, but everything is still understandable, yes, yes, it’s some kind of understandable, yes, that is, kharms already has the pinnacle of it. even at this stage, kharms and vedensky, they were always, well, they were always far from

ordinary realism, that is, they wrote texts that were very unusual for their time, and not only for their own, yes, it seems to me that now it also looks quite unusual, on in fact , no matter how many times i reread kharms, although i ’ve been reading him all my life, this, in general, is not such a large corpus of his prose works, but they you can endlessly re-read and dive even into these short stories. to understand how this is done, it seems to me, this is what you are saying, that yes, you can’t in general, the property of any real art, the property of everything ingenious, yes, everything ingenious, there must be some kind of miracle, something like that, what are you, you, you , you think, you... well, really kharms, he’s wonderful, probably for his time

too, timelessly wonderful, but it’s hard to imagine these thirties, yes, the formation of soviet literature, you can say, industrialization, when everyone goes to the factories, yes, to the canals, yes, construction, they sing about some new world that we are building, then suddenly kharms, who is absolutely. most of those who traveled to the factories along the canals are in oblivion, so it turned out, well, kharms was probably confident that he was doing something significant, yes, since we are talking about the fact that he.. . was not worried about the fact that there was no publication, of course, he was confident in his importance, i have no

doubt about it, i can’t imagine it now. kharms, who doubts that he is a great writer and poet, i think that this question did not arise before him, but kharms’s poetry, these are his children’s poems, with which he made a living in the magazine chish and yosh, these children’s poems , we can call them passable, or maybe written to earn money, or... independent artistic value, in my opinion, and this is not only mine, as far as i know, this is the general opinion of all the people who work with kharms, ah... they should under no circumstances be called passable, they say that vedensky considered his children's poetry as just income, as hack work, and kharms wrote children's poems just like adults, among them there are real masterpieces, like a man came out of the house, this is a children's room, let's read it, maybe it was a man who came out of the house, that we’ll remember some part, but i

just don’t remember the last stanza, well , it starts like this, a man came out of the house with a club and a bag. set off on a long journey on a long journey on foot, he walked straight ahead, he walked straight ahead , looked forward, did not sleep, did not drink, did not drink, did not sleep, did not slept, did not drink, did not eat, then one day at dawn he entered a dark forest, from that time, from that time, from that time he disappeared, disappeared, and if, well , if somehow you happen to meet him, then quickly, then quickly, quickly tell us, but it’s scary, scary, right? at the same time, this is a children's poem, and it is mystical, yes, it is mystical, and in some paradoxical way it reflects the spirit of the times, but it was written in those years when people disappeared somewhere, yes, it was published as a children's poem, but she actually has children's rhymes chilling blood, he has a poem, i don’t remember it

by heart at all, it’s called about how my dad shot my ferret, that’s the name he already had... he loved children, and he was an outstanding children’s writer, and his children adored, there is evidence, evidence of how kharms, he is famous as a children's poet, he periodically performed in front of children's audiences, went to pioneer camps, he also simply performed to earn money, eyewitnesses tell how kharms performed somewhere near leningrad in some then it's like

children's camp, something, there were children there, they just literally hung on it. they didn’t want to let him go, maybe that’s why he didn’t like them, because they were hanging on him all the time, no, i think it was more likely that they were hanging on him, because he, well, in a specific way towards them, in general , he had a completely bewitching effect at the children, he approached them, they approached them, they accompanied him to the station and could not part with him, but in general it seems to me, you know, i ’ll say something strange, maybe a thought, but to be a good children’s writer, you have to don't like children. but this will most likely lead to some kind of touching intonation, some kind of lisp, yes, and it’s not love for children that allows you to somehow distance yourself from them, write and speak with them as if at a distance, speak with them in principle as if

adults, it seems to me that this is the path to success in children's literature, but to speak without... some kind of tenderness such that oh, kids, without this, my friend, i'll tell you a fairy tale, without this, well, harmis he was childfree, i think he had no children, and he in my opinion, he approached this issue so seriously, that is, in the diary there is a list of references, he has books there like the hygiene of a childless marriage and so on, but seriously, he took it responsibly in principle, well, so i specifically talked about it somehow i haven’t read it, but it’s very similar to him.

everyone died, i was almost in tears, but we survived, in memory of tanya savicheva on monday on the first, this is a must- read podcast, i am glana batnikov, today we are discussing daniil kharms and his creative legacy with dmitry danilov, a writer. a poet, a playwright, and why does kharms mock russian writers, he is the author of four canonical jokes, and about

pushkin, yes, as far as i understand, it was important for kharms to distance himself from such traditional russian literature, he was in every possible way repelled by the cult, the cult of these writers, so by his time it was already completely formed. that they teach us goodness, they teach us morality, he hated all this pathos associated with these great

classics of ours, so he often, yes, really in such a semi-mocking in this vein, and moreover, it’s about pushkin, who, when he lived in the village, drank a jug of milk, but tell me, he describes how in such an uplifting also pushkin’s day, like him... in mikhailovsky and there he drank a jug of milk, walked there to the lake or to the river, slept there until lunch, there in general, then he met stinky men, yes, returning to the estate, he met stinky men and stinky men, that means, yes, they took off their hats and said it was nothing, yes, yes , well , they are very funny, but these few kharsov anecdotes extended the whole series.

tragic death in his life, and in a prison mental hospital, but we still understand that he was probably happy with women and his personal life was quite varied, yes, as far as i know, he was successful with women, he was, he was an impressive person, with an unusual, but very attractive, interesting appearance. everything, he dressed extravagantly, he dressed extravagantly, he behaved, he, he really knew how to make people laugh, he was very, well, it was interesting to be with him, that’s why his woman, as far as i know,

loved the woman, he was married twice, well, not i know, no, it’s hard to say, i think that in general kharms had a hard time with happiness, i don’t think that he could have been happy in general as a person, do you think he’s a tragic figure, yes, he’s an absolutely tragic figure . i, and she doesn’t have anyone, let’s give her the shoes, yes, well, yes, yes, marina malevich made such a very ambiguous portrait,

well... i don’t take it, i won’t undertake to judge how true it was. kharms is a pseudonym, real name danila ivanovich yavachev, and his father, a former religious writer narodnaya volya, said that as long as you are kharms, you will live in need, whether this was such a fatherly curse or a prediction, i think that this was by no means a curse, it was rather... it was a desire for his son as - to help, to set him on the right path, because kharms’s father was very inclined to moralizing, to teaching norms, he wrote religious treatises, he really was a narodnaya volya member, and then, while serving his sentence, he repented, something happened to him change of mind, and he became an ultra-todox orthodox

philosopher and... his disorder in everyday life is unpleasant, as much as i think that even to my father it was not so much that he was incomprehensible and did not correspond to such stupid moral principles as

these. that’s why these words of his, that as long as you are kharms, you will be in need, these are rather, well, such naive attempts to guide your son on the path of truth, so that he stops being a fool, and what do you like most about kharms? i really love one of his poems, it’s called the constancy of fun and dirt, this is for me one of the most valuable poems in general in all poetry, i love it very much... read it, please. the water in the river gurgles coolly, the shadow of the mountains falls on the field, and the light in the sky goes out, birds are already flying in dreams, and a janitor with a black mustache stands all night under the gate and scratches the back of his head under his dirty hat, you can hear in the windows a cheerful cry, the stamping of feet, and the clink of bottles. the moon and sun turned pale, the constellations changed shape, and

made movement. conversation, this was a must-do podcast reading, my guest was the writer, poet and playwright, dmitry danilov, we discussed amazing, dmitry, thank you very much for danil kharms and his creative legacy. dear friends, the creative industry podcast is on the air, with you there are still living, real copies of the presenters, this is still elena kiper, producer and video director, but i won’t touch it yet,

you need to make sure, let me do it too. managing director for data research of the largest bank, i’m very glad to be here, hello, thank you for coming, we didn’t just start like that, because we really artificial intelligence is a topic that everyone hears about, but very few people understand what it is, so everyone is already afraid, afraid of, well, something. well, why did we know what it was, we know what it is, we know a little, we use it, what artificial intelligence is, let’s first at least figure out what kind of thing this is, in fact, artificial intelligence, there is absolutely no need to be afraid of it, since we started with this, this is a tool that helps us do different things, that is, it automates some part of our intellectual work, mostly the routine part, artificial

intelligence is actually... usually they mean some kind of neural network, what is a neural network, a neural network is a kind of, you know, you can imagine it as a black box that receives something to the input and gives something to the output, we are just like that. and what’s inside the black box is some kind of mathematical function, a function that now, for example, lies behind, for example, generating a picture from text, has, well, there are billions of parameters, that’s why they are like this complex ones, which a simple person who is now sitting in front of our digital tv, which is still yet to be, must take, about artificial intelligence, within the framework of such an everyday understanding of artificial intelligence, this artificial intelligence is such a black one.

she learns in this way, that is, the parameters are configured in this way, these billions, based on how she is configured in such a way, what does this mean, this means that this is it, that is, the learning process occurs, if we are talking about language models such as uh, for example, well everyone the well-known gpt chat, gigachat, for example, this is a function that takes a set of words as input and tries to predict the next one, and thus, if we do it many times...

which can do various very, very cool things, in my opinion, that is, it can process and, for example, make some objects in the style of some artist, here you can argue whether this is creativity or not, yes, these debates are already going on, quite fierce, but the very fact that this can be done turns out beautifully, especially lately, this is an indisputable fact in my opinion, but in fact i can say this, that really this is the field of artificial intelligence, it is now being democratized, that’s the term. maybe it’s a little complicated, but i’ll try to explain what this means, that people can now study artificial intelligence starting from school, say, from the ninth grade, sometimes someone from the seventh grade, in general they are studying at a good

level, what’s there 10 years ago it was impossible to imagine, that is , the level of mathematics, the level of interest of schoolchildren, and sometimes even the quality of training programs that specifically focus on artificial intelligence. are being done, they allow you to get into this science, and this is really science, it is complex, this is mathematics, this is the junction of mathematics and the actual calculation of machine learning, enter already in the seventh grade, and we hold a huge number of competitions there, hackathons, and we see that children in general , they cope with complex tasks no worse than people who graduated from college, and what they do, that’s what they do, well, actually the task, the task of a person who has artificial intelligence deals with, well, let's say neural networks, although in fact there are a huge number of algorithms... types of algorithms, these are not only neural networks, they're just very flexible and therefore they allow you to solve a huge number of problems, even creative ones, that is, the task of a person who wants create

an artificial intelligence or artificial intelligence model, how to select an algorithm that suits the task, although recently there are universal algorithms that solve a huge number of problems, and how to train it, what most importantly, i you know what is surprising for yourself? that a creative person, if he has some images in his head, has ideas, fantasies and so on, in order to put these images on paper, well, that is, he needed to acquire certain skills, he had to go study as an artist to become a musician and so on, now it turns out that with the help of artificial intelligence, you can refute this for me or confirm this, that is, you can transfer these images from your head , so to speak, into... a neural network, yeah, it’s for you will create a picture that you have, in general, will transfer the picture from your head, in general, to the computer, this is true, as if possible, of course, of course, yes, and don’t believe it, which draws pictures, it, for example, can

accept text as input , that is, you can write something in text, that is, you, but the text must be artistic, it must include all the images, you need to really understand in detail what you want in this picture, this makes the work easier. neural network significantly, because it’s easier for it , uh, when you described in detail what you want, it’s easier for her to draw it when you wrote i just want a fish in space, for example, i don’t know where this comes from in my head? she needs to figure out whether she should be in a spacesuit or not, there should be a planet in the background or not, it turns out that surprise, surprise, yes, in a sense, there will be a fish in space, of course, it’s not clear what kind, learn to manage you need artificial intelligence, of course, yes, of course, and there is actually a skill that is especially relevant lately, this is industrial tone, that is, this is the creation of these very texts, which are loaded into this black box, in particular, yes, although in fact, this is the most common. let's say a task, although a neural network can create

pictures using other types of data, for example, you can draw a sketch and ask to make it realistic, this is also a task for a neural network as a whole, such as kandinsky, for example, the neural network is named after the great russian artist, yes, who came up with it that it will be named in honor of the great artist, and you know, we have actually been working on this task for a long time, about 3 years already, and our first model it was called that, it was rudali, she came up with it herself, in short, right? there are also neural networks, which also generally, well

, work somewhere in this area, why create different models, there are two reasons, the first is that it’s kind of not true, let’s say the truth in the last one, this is generally machine learning - this is engineering, on interfaces with mathematics, and like any other art of engineering, it implies that you need to do and come up with some new details, new features, slightly make changes to existing architectures, thereby... do the algorithm is the best in terms of the quality of understanding the text, this industrial product, the visual quality of the image, in fact, when we did kandinsky and are doing it, we set the first scientific and technical task, firstly to create something new, and secondly, to improve current architecture, even western, there is huge scope for improvement, and kandinsky line 2, here kandinsky 202122 - these are three models, they have a unique architecture, we even ... there is a set of articles where we talked about this architecture, this model in general

they know, well, in fact, all over the world, in, say , the scientific community, in the community of people who use the model, this is the first reason to move progress, the second reason is that - if we just use other people’s neural networks, then we are in some sense limited in what content, how we can influence the creation of content, in fact, what we put into the model, we cannot... put into the model, if it is not ours, then what we could lay it down, if it were ours, roughly speaking, well, you know, yes, that the model learns on the data, and we can, for example, make a model that better generates russian objects, russian entities, it is clear that western networks, neural networks, they certainly saw, there is the kremlin, and some iconic russian objects, and a character, it is still unknown which kremlin, well, that is , what type of kremlin is there exactly, yes, that is, they do not specifically set the task of making it generate a model, they have a task. just to generate everything in general, but the domestic cultural code, and it’s not we who can set the task for how

show the model a lot of our data, this only applies to the domestic cultural code, this applies to any types of data that we want to show to the model, and for this, of course, we need to do our own developments. hello, this is news from the first, maria vasilyeva studio and at the beginning of the issue, briefly about the main topics. another western trophy in the northern military district zone, telegram channels distributed a video showing an american-made abram tank knocked out by our soldiers. tons of deadly metal. every day our crews send drones to the enemy.