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but the whole society can unite, concentrate on helping the victim, and make sure that life is still joyful and happy. i am grateful to our today’s heroine for her courage and openness to talk about this rather difficult, but necessary for understanding the situation. this is the psyche podcast, all episodes of our podcast. you can watch on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru, you can’t hug me, i’m crying, cry, you can’t, tatyana and i ask you to cry, you have to cry, why, why, save the lesson heavy in the evening, cry in the evening, in the bathroom, yes, why in the bathroom, so that the skin, skin, so as not to spoil the skin, you need plastic baths, more pleasant.
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and it ends faster, here i’m a little lucky, i worked in latin america as a correspondent, there i communicated quite closely with the freemasons there, so i have in my hands the constitution in... the charter, this liturgy, the laundresses looks like a mandate of the congress, yes, like the mandate masonic congress, so then we’ll talk not only about history, but about some specifics, unlike me you have no personal experience of such communication with freemasons, but as a historian and as a teacher i had to deal with a huge number of myths about the omnipotence of the freemasons, from all power, that they organize wars and revolutions, of course, this conspiracy theory also needs to be dealt with, of course . hello, this is
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a historical podcast russia-west on the swing of history. pyotr romanov is with you. and sergei solovyov, today we will deal with the freemasons. we probably need to start first of all with the fact that, of course, freemasonry has left a huge mark on world history, because, well, judge for yourself, the founding fathers of the united states are almost all freemasons. churchill - freemason, italy. there garibaldi was a freemason, in latin america there are generally all the great people there, practically freemasons, all the fighters for the independence of latin america, starting with bolivar, they are all freemasons, so of course their role is certainly very great, but of course we will talk first let's talk about russia, about what they did in russia, how they were treated, including let's talk about modern freemasonry, there is a very interesting situation with the freemasons, this is a society.
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preserving fraternal unity and friendship in their midst, however, this did not at all prevent the masons from sending each other to prison or hell in different political situations. freemasonry is, rather, for most of its history, these are rather such clubs, mainly for representatives of the nobility, although there were representatives of the lower strata, but they usually did not rise beyond the lower degrees, clubs of interests, political clubs, which at different times provided a certain influence on politics, if we talk about russia, and not about freemasonry in general.
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according to such masonic traditions and legends, freemasonry was brought to russia by peter the great, supposedly after his trip to europe, he had already returned from there, so to speak, initiated into freemasonry, it is also true that it was not peter himself who brought it, but a huge number of foreigners whom he invited to russia, and the first lodges in russia, they were, in general, purely foreign, then gradually there...
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not from adam, or at least from solomon, the builders himself, the first free mason, the first free masons, solomon's temple, interesting, well, the russians could do it too, i don’t i know, to choose for themselves a point of reference, i don’t know, some prophetic oleg, yes, but they still preferred a craftsman, the king of a craftsman, also a free mason, a carpenter, i don’t know, relatively speaking, i must say that ...
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to be a freemason meant to be involved in the circle of senior officials of the state, yes, where you can , in a brotherly way, even on you, yes, address an official, a nobleman much higher-ranking than you, such a feeling of brotherhood with your superiors, moreover
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that this brotherhood is highly idealized, once again, it’s not worth emphasizing, because after all, the official hierarchy meant more than the masonic hierarchy for most of these people, although the creators tried to fight this. pros and cons that they can give to the russian intelligentsia, then based on the words of zenikovsky, approximately the same pros and cons can be given to the then russian freemasonry, which in fact was the forerunner of the russian intelligentsia, but to a certain
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extent the forerunners can be called, because from my point of view view of the russian intelligentsia it actually begins with the decembrists, well, with the decembrist circle, and a little later, when we are no longer talking about individual representatives, but a certain social stratum. but at the same time, it must be said that, of course, many joined the freemasons from a certain fashion, yes, which existed both in russia and abroad, someone really wanted to improve themselves, including through mysticism, it is important to emphasize here that asceticism is only what part of freemasonry preached, the other part of freemasonry, for example, believed that...
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you said that there is no need to idealize, i i would also add not to idealize, not to demonize, because people went to the lodges, especially in those times, the first, catherine’s, and later, for very different reasons, someone went because they hoped, i don’t know, to discover the philosopher’s stone , to find out the secrets of the druids of the ancient chaldeans, i don’t know who there, someone came because they saw a kind of brotherhood in this.
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they were looking for some kind of symbolism in perestroika newspapers, and at the same time, it means they passed by and admired pashkov’s house, say in moscow, which was built by mason bazhenov.
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he has his own officers, they are sometimes called, sometimes guards, he has a treasurer, the master has his vices, naturally, the master decides all the main issues, brings them up for discussion, votes, well, the master, of course, is the most important figure, and well, as everywhere else, the bosses, it is everywhere the authorities, the liturgy itself, it is spelled out in great detail, simply meticulously, i have met more than once with the freemasons, say, at the table, there behind the offended, not only at banquets, but just at such friendly
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parties, a certain ritual, for everyone, even the device the dining room has its own name, let's say, there are glasses of cannon or shot glasses, yes, a stronger drink, powerful gunpowder, red wine, red gunpowder, it sounds a little funny now, yes, yes, of course, but the table knife is a sword, here i am the first time i encountered this was when a neighbor asked me for something, listen, they didn’t give me a sword here, give me your sword, at first i didn’t understand what they were talking about, but a sword - yes, that’s in general, now it’s a table knife, even the procedure itself, here are the toasts, they make a toast, everything is in the liturgy it is written down, well, just thoroughly, they must stop chewing, for example, it is written there, it means the master... a sword stands in his hand, that is, now a simple knife, it means
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he orders the cannons to be loaded, that is, poured into the ryenki, fire, this it means you can have a drink, and so on, that is, uh, in principle, of course, it’s like that, you can say that this is a game for adults, but you can say that in general it disciplines, to some extent this transfers to relationships, from the words of my... latino acquaintances who they really don’t like, say, american masons, because they are much richer, when they come to latin america, they have such a finger and so on. latin american freemasons, they have very rich traditions, i also say, since the times of the struggle for independence, they, i think, are closer to the masonic spirit, much closer than any american freemasons, whose founding fathers of the united states were freemasons, in the last ones there, say, george bush was definitely a freemason, the most grandiose event in
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modern russia, traditions and... advanced technologies, the greatest achievements and discoveries, all corners of the country, all spheres of life, 247 days, 89 regions, more than 17 million visitors, we have something to be surprised by, we have something to be proud of, the closing of the russia exhibition on july 6 on the first, this is a historical podcast russia- the west is on the swing of history, we are understanding an interesting topic, freemasonry, we need to go back to russian
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freemasonry, to the times of catherine, when this golden age of freemasonry began, to figure out what it is connected with. why exactly under catherine did these secret societies become actively develop, here, of course, the spirit of such a noble love of freedom manifested itself, because here the trigger, as it seems to me, was the manifesto of the freedom of the nobility, then the grant of a letter to the nobility, when the nobility began to emancipate, there is a well-known theory of the 19th century about the emancipation of the class, about that the emancipation of the class in russia took place from top to bottom, it all started with the nobility, and a manifestation of this freedom-loving, nobility was the emergence of these secret...
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who were mainly read under peter the great, the military charter, a manual on metallurgy, a manual on shipbuilding, these books stood on the shelves, free nobles already, he could afford to read any books, including philosophical, political science and so on, and all kinds of mystical literature, which just then began to be translated, here is the broth on which, so to speak. russian freemasonry has matured. in our country, i ’ll make one more remark, we have the idea that the freemasons were banned by the soviet government. well, it's partly true, about another generation masunov, because trotsky was such an ardent opponent of freemasonry, he wrote the first, in my opinion, article in general in his youth, but
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in fact this happened under catherine, then, so to speak, a lot was hushed up. one of the founders of slavophilism, ivan kirievsky, he complained, speaking about navikoich, that many have not even heard of this great man, a freemason , and writes that here, in terms of the scale of his activity, he is comparable to the american freemason franklin, well, the face is familiar to everyone from a hundred dollar bill , but at the same time century, unfortunately, we know very little, but he was a truly outstanding figure. several hundred book titles were published on his direct initiative, a significant part of which were translations and a significant part of which was mystical and near-masonic literature. when catherine began to ban novikov’s activities, why now we will look into it, then, in my opinion, half of them were banned books published by navikov that
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related to the french enlightenment, but related to this very mystical masonic literature, of which there was a lot, but... he also published christian literature, by the way, including translations, whatever he didn’t publish, whatever he didn’t publish, in fact, he wanted to create a reader in russia, and that’s why he he published literature not only for the highbrow, he believed that russia needed robenzoon kruse just as much as razm of rotterdam, so he published whoever he published, he also published russian history, bethleophics, the famous. published, in general, here is russian freemasonry, to some extent judge very difficult, but nevertheless, it seems to me that this was a feature of russian masunism. now, if the prussians, at about the same time as under catherine, german freemasonry was very developed, but it merged
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completely with the authorities. the masons were satisfied with ministerial portfolios. as for russian freemasonry, they were in power and remained on their own. here, there was such a famous freemason, senator ivan lapukhin. he said that true patriotism does not lie in russians being like the french or english, but in being as happy as they can be, and for the time being this suited catherine quite well, yes, for the time being it suited her, because, strictly speaking, the enlightened empress and so on, my god, in her era voletarianism came to russia. and she invited the jesuits, why not freemasonry at some stage? in order to understand how influential the freemasons were, i will simply quote
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quotes from the work of georgy vernadsky, he is a famous historian, he was involved in freemasonry, and so he wrote that he brought statistical data on the number of masuns in the state apparatus under catherine, which means that in 177
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later the philosophical seminary, so they began to found a school, and especially, in my opinion, what caused great irritation was that when there was a famine that gripped the moscow region, the authorities did nothing to this did not react, and the masons began to collect funds for the starving, helped and stood behind this for centuries, well, in general, of course, this caused irritation, because, well, one enlightened empress. and mother empress, she, she the main thing, she can take care, she should do it, and the most important thing, of course, while the masons were busy with a kind of small world,
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that’s one thing, but gradually they began to criticize catherine very harshly, well, yes, if at the beginning of catherine’s reign, actually brought to power, including people who had relations with masunism, it is enough to recall the same panin, the same elagin, then later catherine thought: other examples of freemasonry in russia are swedish freemasonry, more strict, requiring more moral dedication, greater morality, and sweden is a foreign policy enemy of russia, and at the end of catherine’s reign.
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because educational ideas, expressed in the manner in which radishchev expressed them, could be combined with ideology with the sentiments of peasant rebellion, and we would end up with the great french revolution, and of course, catherine, based on all this taken together, decided that with freemasonry, roughly speaking, it’s time to put an end to this flourishing of freemasonry, although formally, formally, she did not prohibit it, so you remembered the shvedov and suspicion about the swedes, well, the freemasons, well , listen, the freemason kutuzov fought with...
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some kind of political fight was prohibited within the framework of the lodge itself, it allowed it, which led to the fact that sometimes people sat in the lodges, well, completely different views, the very in fact, i remember...
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they sat and, so to speak, held meetings in the same box, and then, yes, this is also like an exception from his apostle, prince trubetskoy, and at the same time they ruled after the decembrist uprising, which means that in the investigative commission, this means that on one side of the table sat apostle muravyov or let’s say, pestel, and on the other benkendor, they were in the same lodge, this is a historical podcast russia-west on the swing of history, today we are dealing with freemasonry, first of all... in russian, there is one fork that divides freemasonry into two parts, this is the so-called, well, classic regular freemasonry and what you call political freemasonry, liberal freemasonry, the advantage of regular freemasonry is that it can unite people with really very different views, and liberal freemasonry, that is, classical
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freemasonry in general...
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ask again, what kind of masons are they? still, i do not completely agree with the fact that the so-called liberal freemasonry or political freemasonry, it strives for revolution, rather, on the contrary, those who took the revolutionary path from freemasonry, as in the case of our decembrists, yes, they left freemasonry , those political masons who arose in russia, well, took shape in russia in 1912, the great orient of the peoples of russia and the supreme council of the peoples of russia, one of whose leaders was alexander fedorov.
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moderate socialists, there chkhiidze, for example, apparently, there was nikolai chkhiidze, the future leader of the petrograd soviet, one of the leaders of the right mensheviks, and was a member of the masonic organization, this political masonic organization, but this freemasonry was revived in russia quite late, we are not they also talked about the break that there was, about the huge break from the beginning, in fact, from the 19th century, there from the twenty-second year to the very end of the 19th, beginning of the 20th century, yes, but... you yourself still said one thing a very important word: a the decembrists came out of classical freemasonry, that is, they began to act outside of it, already outside of this classical regular freemasonry, western freemasons began to slowly revive
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freemasonry in all, so to speak... countries of the former warsaw pact there, dividing the regions among themselves , as if troubles, in the czech republic and slovakia the germans helped to revive freemasonry. in hungary, the austrians, in yugoslavia and romania, the italians, and here in poland, the french. well, why the french, here? in general, it is not difficult to understand, because there were great roots of russian emigrant freemasonry, some relics were buried and kept there, masonic, still very old, so the french took patronage over the russian freemasons.
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they expressed such great relief, because of course, during the ceremony itself, then during the banquet on tverskaya, in the central restaurant , many grateful toasts were said for
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the french, but our people they expressed such relief that they broke out of the french embrace, because that they have already begun to constrain them, yes, but in freemasonry now all the same more... this is probably some kind of club, a club of interests, with a certain game, an element, as you said, of a game for adults, which unites people, which helps to build some kind of interpersonal connections, which can then help in business there or in politics, why not, but some kind of conspiratorial flair is present in freemasonry only thanks to the publications of the yellow press and some unscrupulous authors who seek to inflate these things. as we, in my opinion, have now tried to show, the history of freemasonry quite well studied, quite a lot of scientific publications on this topic, quite a lot of freemasonry documents that seem to be secret, yes, but this is such an open secret, yes, they have been published, you even brought them
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to the studio, yes, of course, yes, and here, behind real political processes, it is very important to see their real component, objective factors, political, economic, social factors, they write everything off as a very convenient conspiracy theory, because why is it so easy to spread. which is about masons in general has nothing to do with it, the bolsheviks simply openly despised the masons, although once they tried to get money from them without success, oh, who didn’t they try to get money from, that’s where the whole story ended, but the conspiracy explanation is a manifestation of laziness of the mind, that’s probably , our conversation today warns against this laziness of mind. well, in conclusion, i can only say the following, that well , i don’t know whether modern russian freemasonry will be able to give, gift russia with a new kutuzov, a new goriboyedov, koramzin, spiransky, not
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i know, i’m not sure, the times are different, the circumstances are different, but the only thing i’m sure of is that there is no need to stop this broth of freemasonry from brewing, let it cook. let them do whatever they want, even try to figure out the philosopher’s stone again, as long as they don’t get involved in politics, well, it seems to me that the times of freemasonry, some significant... historical podcast russia-west on the swing of history, we talked about the freemasons, with you there were pyotr romanov and sergei solovyov, study history with us, all episodes of the historical podcast russia west on the swing of history can be viewed on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru.
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hello, you are watching precious stories. my name is ekaterina varkan. today we decided to talk about gogal nikolai vasilyevich and for such a serious interview, i invited the wonderful russian writer vladislav otroshenko.
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as a little boy, he - during one of the performances, he comes out on stage playing an eighty-year-old man, he plays so that everyone gasped, it’s just that his parents were there, uh, the governor was there, well, a lot of officials watched this performance, everyone’s jaws just dropped his jaw dropped because this boy came out, he groaned and coughed like an old man, and after that the schoolchildren and his friends called him the mysterious karla, uh, then, when... he was already traveling around europe,
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he had this trick, he boasted, by the way, which means he told aksakov about this, that he doesn’t show his passport to anyone anywhere in europe. we have a unique opportunity to look at the drawings of vasily dmitrovich polenov, magnificent, which means that this is simply, well, a sort of context for gogol’s travels across europe. here, everything looks very similar, picture, here kindly provided by the polyanovo nature reserve museum, then it’s also there.
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sports, which one you are asking for, nikolai vasilyevich, we have never
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issued it to anyone, that is, in principle, maybe they are such passports, but we will not give such a passport to anyone, but well, he might think that, well, here it is he fooled the police there, yes, he fooled his friends there, some officials there, well , no, he fooled his own mother, he just really fooled his own mother, that means, 1939, 839, mother, yes, he sends her letters to the poltava province, which means he describes how he swims, which means in the mediterranean sea from trieste, sends her letters from trieste that... i’m in trieste, which means these are the waves of the mediterranean sea, they speak this language here language, it’s similar to our slavic language, everything is wonderful, so i won’t be in russia any time soon, maybe in 2-3 months there, so my mother receives these letters, which means from trievstvo, then from vienna, the first biographer of gogol, when did he become read these
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letters, he cannot understand anything, because at that time gogol was definitely in moscow, it is known, because there are memoirs there, he and shchepkin meet there with...
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a terrible story, how he was left alone there without mommy, without daddy, so that means, poor, unhappy, and it so happened that this peyker, he was friends with aksakov, and he comes to aksakov and says, how i would like to meet gogol, this is a dream, and oksaka says, yes, he will be due to me any minute now there are guests, then suddenly, that means , the same orphan with whom he was traveling, a certain one, comes in gogel, pyaker. gets furious, that is , well, that the man was simply fooling him for three days, and there just a scandal begins, aksakov barely persuaded them there, somehow put them in jail, reconciled, began to say, yes, you know, nikolai vasilyevich everyone he’s fooling, that’s how he is, that’s how he is, everyone, but then it’s so interesting that when after this...

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