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his nature was, he was so interesting, when he and oksakov had such a conversation, and he says to the elder: you should never tell the truth, you are going to rome, you must say that you are going to kaluga, and you are going to kaluga, you must say, that you are going to rome, that means there was such a thing, now we have piers, train stations, yes, then there was such a brik mail coach station at the car wash, here are the stagecoaches, here is the platform, you see there like that, it means they are waiting - everyone sits on this stagecoach, then there is a bell, the stagecoach is leaving, yes, here is nikolai vasilyevich, he came from abroad, and is traveling from st. petersburg to moscow, here at this postal coach station and it was at a car wash, here this station, it was at a car wash, goes there to this station, who also has a ticket for the same stagecoach, like this there was a very famous man, an officer, pyotr ivanovich peiker, this was the son of senator ivan ustinovich peiker, and ivan.
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the baker sees nikolai vasilyevich and he means they are sitting in the stagecoach together, he is so happy nikolai vasilyevich is sitting here, he says no no i say i don’t gogol, he is a modest person, just a man, yes, yes, he means that he introduces himself as gogel, an orphan , an orphan, he doesn’t know anyone, he begins to ask him, but the weather, you know, that means an aksak, no, no, he doesn’t know anyone , he’s an orphan. the unfortunate guy here tries to come to him
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somehow on the way, he doesn’t believe it, because he looks, well, gogol, yes, that means his collar went up, no, no, no, and he told about himself some kind of pre-cry story about how he i was left alone there without mommy, without daddy, so this means he was a poor wretch, and it so happened that this baker, he was friends with aksakov, and he comes to aksakov and says, how i would like to meet gogol, what a dream... and oksa says, but he’ll be coming to visit me any minute now, just suddenly , that means the same one comes in, that means the orphan with whom he was traveling, a certain gogi, and peker goes into a rage, that is, well, that the person was simply fooling him for three days, and there just a scandal begins, there are barely any aksakov there in general, he persuaded, somehow put him in prison, made peace, began to say, yes, you know, nikolai vasilyevich is fooling everyone, that’s how he is, that’s how he is by everyone, but then it’s so interesting that... when
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after this same trip, when aksakov goes to see gogal off abroad, his sons are all done, he witnesses an absolutely incredible scene, gogol gets into a stagecoach , there used to be such a conductor’s list, here he is signed up on this conductor’s list with honol, these are all such side effects of genius, but here he is, when he was not writing, this is what happened to him, and how did he write the episode when he was thirty ninth year aksakov decided to visit him, they were together in st. petersburg and gogol lived in zhikovsky’s apartment. oksakov comes to zhikovsky. gogol is missing. he says: “oh, what a pity, i wanted to see him.” well, i drank some tea, sat down, drank tea, and was talking to someone else. and then, it means that some strange voices are heard. here zhukovsky understands that he can’t hide it. he says, well, google is at home here, he’s working. well, he says, in general, it’s time for him to finish, let’s go to him. and they, it means, he admitted that he lied to oksakov, that... they go and open
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the door, and oksakov, he says that he just gasped, he writes this to his son, describes it, it means that nikolai vasilyevich is standing in front of him, on top of his robe is a woman’s jacket, stockings, on his head is a mordovian kokoshnik, all this is wrapped in a scarf, moreover, maybe he sewed it all himself, it’s possible, because where did he get it all from, and he has absolutely absent eyes, he looks at them like that, and like an aksakov... he said that he even didn’t notice us and didn’t explain his outfit in any way, nothing, just looked at which absentees he closed the doors, that is, he wrote in such altered states of consciousness, absolutely, probably at that time he was writing a tragedy from the life of the zaporozhye cossacks , he was dressing up, well, in 1945 , what happened to gogol happened, in fact, what then it led to the burning of the second volume of dead souls to the tragedy, he wrote to the lady of the court, alexandra iosipovna smirnovo. terrible words that no
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writer even admits to himself if this happens to him, he literally wrote the following: god took away from me the ability to create. you are watching precious stories, my name is ekaterina varkan, my guest today is vladislav otroshenko, a wonderful russian writer, we are talking with him about google. you said that there is an image that confirms this idea, yes, by the way, it’s a caricature, yes, yes, yes, there was something from him, all of russia is waiting for him, the dead spirit is waiting for the second volume, yes , this is a very famous caricature from 846, just after this confession by gogol, god took away from me the ability to create, you see. there gogol is depicted at the top, he is sleeping on the second volume of dead souls, the second volume is written right there, and he is sleeping on it, this caricature actually proves this idea that russia demanded, expected from gogol the second volume of dead souls , and gugol, he
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all sorts of unusual and whimsical ones, but in general everyone noted when he appeared, which means in st. petersburg everyone noted that he was an absolutely brilliant storyteller, well, apparently, acting was characteristic of him, but he was very susceptible to serious thoughts, and this is immediately they were unbearable, all these thoughts, again nikitenko has such an observation that he becomes pompous and pedantic immediately when he begins to say something seriously, and he loses his mind and feelings and language. any originality, he doesn’t notice this, but points straight to genius, well, we said that gogol actually thought of himself as a writer and brought with him such a programmatic work then for him, not yet written in st. petersburg in 1827, this is a poem by hans kuchelgartan, yes ,
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yes, yes, it is such a romantic poem with such a general outlook on the future, here we have a cover, and some such distant... distant dreams of a beautiful life, beautiful countries, and fame, but such are gogol’s dreams always were, but somehow things didn’t work out, in general, no one paid attention to this. goggole's literary collecting begins, he writes to his mother, so to speak, a large number of letters, he asks,
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remind them of malarussia, as if he himself is not from there, what places and towns look like, that means, what local clothes look like, what the landowners talk about, oh what do the men say, some stories, anecdotes, so he asked, asked his mother, as a result, in the year thirty-one, 1932 there were evenings of fucking blezdikanki, everyone was delighted, everyone was delighted, pushkin himself writes:
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a magnificent writer known to us under the name baron brondeus, amazing, there are not only fantastic things there, there are scientific things that have elements of science fiction, which later subsequent scientists said, how did he know this, because such laws were not known then, he then there there are many very secular observations, interesting characteristics of such personality traits. well, just an absolutely brilliant person, he was the editor of a library for reading such a, so to speak, fashionable magazine, which was published then, and this is the first glossy magazine, here is a library for reading, and even belinsky himself said that this is an ideal magazine for the mass reader, well , you won’t get such a belinsky, for some reason goggol, that means critical analyses, he
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in general, pushkin, so to speak, gives such a rebuke to this, that is, goggol’s article, and says that he likes the analysis and unusually amuses him analysis of senkovsky of all kinds of literary works, let alone 5,000 subscribers, everyone can envy if we have the same number, but gogol in general, as a journalist and critic , ended after that in general, in my opinion, as far as i remember, he somehow no longer took it, and even so to speak, in my opinion, went abroad in despair, maybe he didn’t leave in despair.
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that is, he needed some external signs, then he did something like this, there were a lot of moments, he needed, how to say this, this whole document flow, all he was directly caught in the fact that kubchiy, as described by dead souls, was not carried out like that, and many of the bureaucratic affairs there, it was as if he didn’t know them completely, and she, as the wife
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of governor kalubsky, she of course knew what -things that... but she only wrote to him, in general, well, here’s the auditor, in my opinion, that means the play is wonderful, in my opinion, this is an appatheos swindle, well, for gogol, because this is an absolute self-portrait, well, i think so, yes , this is just an autograph for a self-portrait, you know, i have, well here senkovsky doesn’t leave him either, because i have a lightness of thought, ordinary, everything under the name baron brombios is also me, but don’t leave it senkovsky, apparently he somehow competed with him there too, because he’s brilliant there was of course.
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there is a high syllable, a high style, that’s what he started with, you know, yes, that’s with this first of his youthful work, then was forced to pretend, so to speak, to transform into some other works, into decans into auditors, into everything else, to be reborn and turned over, again we remember... who speaks, as soon as he speaks on a high level, becomes pompous and pedantic, again we remember, but at the same time, the second volume of dead souls was going on, here, in general , of course, it was a complete breakdown, because , so to speak, it still didn’t go, didn’t go, well , it was going somewhere, this work is meant, then suddenly i saw when this there was, well, let’s say, aversion to correspondence with friends, gogul, apparently the second volume looked deeper, he saw that, in fact, it’s like he wrote this book.
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the horror of it all is understanding, right? and burned the second volume out of horror, and died from horror. well, you know, we, you and i here just kind of approach this subject, maybe from different angles, but we have the same subject, i feel it, that indeed, firstly, the connection, of course, is undeniable between the chosen in places from correspondence with friends in the second volume, the connection between the death of goggol and the publication of this book is chosen. passages from correspondence friends, why? because on the one hand, he himself later admitted in the author’s confession that he gave out this book, his direct words, prima, in order to compensate for his
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long silence, that he did not give out the second volume of dead souls, he tried to somehow fight, to make excuses before belinsky, to make excuses, to everyone, yes, but only zhikovsky, whom we here with you called the nanny of russian writers, who zhikovsky had a very... delicate relationship with gogal and he called him very well, he called him gogalek and wrote zhikovsky that i'm in this khlestakov swung the book, and i swung khlestakov, that is, he understands, as if after after this book, after this book, when all of russia literally fell on him, yes, here are the westerners and the slavophiles, and the priests and the censor who wrote something... it’s embarrassing, but here’s gogol... apparently he understood, he was testing the ideas of the second volume in this book, in fact, what he was testing: the transformation of chichikov, from chichikov, from such a rogue swindler,
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a half-demonic character, he turns into second volume, like this a respectable christian, he says there that he will leave all his money there, he will work, he will help his neighbors, he will not overeat, he is a respectable christian, he will work for the good... of the fatherland for the good of everything in general, that's it and there he kisses the boots of the governor-general, who means he is being released from prison, he is fighting like hell in prison, but in general he was burned and died of horror, well - his horror, i think, that’s how i look at it, you know, purely worse than artistic such, well, through the prism, gogol's artistic sense, yes, gogol, as an artist, is a great artist. he could not help but understand that that chichikov, who appears there in the second volume of dead souls, that this chichikov, he is just a dead doll, which in the mouth that is put
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some kind of... accept, well, so to speak, go into monastery, yes , he had this desire to become a monk, yes, he had it, and uh, but russia also wanted from him, you know, as if they expected from him, they expected positive images from him, they even demanded positive images from him, you know, now we all understand that gogol, gogol is like, well, this is a great classic genius, yes, but during gogal’s life everything was not like that, and there were some people
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diseases of the brain organs, well, as if he’s a doctor in general, yes, so i think that everything is exactly the opposite, it was a great feat of a real artist, who, realizing that with this image of chichikov, he destroys the whole poem, all of it, all of his poetry, this poem, which he created, which cannot be changed, chichikov cannot be changed from chichikov, just like like danquejote naquixote, this is such a brilliant hero that it was impossible to make such a respectable christian out of him, and gogol actually reserved the right to judge his creation and be judged by his creation, the question was, this is who, which of them will survive, or dead souls, which he put an end to in 842, so either the poem will die or gogal will die, so he actually chose his death, yes, it was horror, but he had to survive this
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horror when he, you know, this there is a picture such a repina, well known, where gogol with bulging eyes throws the second volume of dead souls, his shirt is torn, a boy, a servant is holding his hand there, his eyes are bulging, nothing like that, but gogol did all this very calmly, he had already made this decision, and when he put this bunch of notebooks in the fireplace, they were bound sheets, and he set them on fire with a candle, there was no fire, he set it on fire himself with a candle, it was a dutch stove. the fire began to go out because the sheets were tied tightly, then he took gogol like that and calmly untied it all, and the boy said what are you doing, master, don’t, stop, and he said: it’s none of your business, pray, and he untied these ribbons, unfolded these sheets, i set it on fire again, and he sat there calmly, watching it burn, only then, when everything was burned, did a tear run down his cheek like that, and i
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kissed the boy, who... was already crying, and he january 1 fifty-second year, he told lev arnold that it was all ready for printing it was, that is, 11 chapters were written by this moment. thank you very much, vlad, for the interesting conversation, you watched precious stories, today we talked about nikolai vasilyevich gogol, my name is ekaterina varkan. hello, this is the popular science podcast schlödinger’s cat, and i am its host, the chief editor of the magazine is also schlödinger’s cat, grigory tarasevich. and today we will talk about a unique expedition from arkhangelsk to siberia, about why to build wooden ships, our guest evgeniy shkoruba.
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