more in demand by judges and spectators than performances, cheerful, positive, cheerful, maybe what topic would you propose for the next russian challenge to satisfy everyone, so that this scale at least swings, okay, not level, but not outweighed in one direction, this is the eternal problem of the ice age project, dramatic numbers always win over life-affirming numbers, so yes, there are funny, superficial, just... about happiness, therefore, since i myself direct the entire episode, and even when, despite what and sasha zhulin is working, we still say that there should be at least two life-affirming numbers, so that in total i have two, you have two, we should have four numbers about the positive, so that the whole episode looks alive, you can just roll dance, you can i just don’t know how to make some kind of cheerful cossack song, a lot of life-affirming music. but it doesn’t connect you from

the point of view of the hero’s empathy, you applaud in the hall, bam-bam, so that it happens to you here, this only happens in dramatic numbers, but it’s certainly impossible all the time, and here we even agreed with the judges in the summer period that you would support the numbers of the guys, which you would still agree with the judges ilya yadislavovich, but i heard something different all the time, this was not the general setting. we support funny numbers, we support something, after all, i brought it to light, whose program did you like from those that you did not have a hand in in this russian challenge of this year? well , of course, this is masha with lyosha and the hedgehog in the fog, because again, well, again, it’s a dramatic number, but these are these words this message certainly seemed to... worked,

by the way, i’m surprised, in principle, pyotr gumennik had a very interesting idea, in my opinion, i ’m surprised what the jury is, they somehow didn’t note it at all, there are some other... then the directors, what they lack in order to win, to win against overbukh, i think that very often many, well, it’s like the first mistake of those who look at the pen, what we’re about to stage, i don’t know, i don’t want to just to offend anyone. well, some kind of prop, it will save us, it will be like this that’s it, we kind of made an application, then we went back to work, it’s very important to continue the story throughout the whole issue, it’s much more difficult to get started, but the story is clear, we outlined it at the beginning, then plus or minus movement into accents, so they don’t there should be simple accents, they should pronounce every movement, and there is a little story here, after all, divisions are ties. numbers, then

technical saturation, sometimes they hit the accent, well, they didn’t hit plus or minus, and the way out is probably what i did after all i’m trying, which i pay a lot of attention to, and why did you take her hand, why did you take it, why can’t you take it by the shoulders, it’s too rude, lower your hands, raise your hands, press, hold, let go, no, rude , again, again it’s bad, we stand for a long time, we look, it’s all very much, the process is important, after all, while everyone is chasing the literary idea itself, here we have an idea, well, we kind of told it in the first 20 seconds, then faster let's go, in general, of course, amateurs are in a hurry, why do professionals win over amateurs in the russian tournament challenge, basically it’s the professionals who win so far, if we take two seasons, they are no longer in a hurry, they already know how to work with a pause, they already know how to... stand,

wait, the amateur is in a hurry, they really want to do a thousand elements faster to invest one second, our guest today is a person, without whom figure skating would probably not exist in russia, ilya overbukh, i’ll go back a few steps, because i really wanted to ask you about one thing, usually, when the athlete finishes, gradually, that is this is already resting on your laurels, with rare exceptions. it seems to me that two couples, one dancing, russian, one sports, i’m talking, of course, about vika titmouse, nikita katsalapov and evgeniy tarasova vladimir morozov, who, as if after their olympic games, began to skate better than they skated even in sports, well , i’ll say this thing now, no, this happens to many people, well, i think that tatyana navko and roman kostomarov - after sports they skated better than they skated in sports. they have an outstanding free program

program, and carmen, well, and the eastern, eastern program, but still there was a lot of sports there, so when they left... they skated an order of magnitude higher than they skated in sports, few did, i, i i would probably sharpen the question here a little differently, if possible, we have a certain feeling, for some reason many skaters, i have a big complaint about them in this regard: as a person who spends a large number of ice show, as a producer, which is especially true for the modern generation, not for your generation, not generation before, there is a feeling that we have done everything we need in sports, and demonstrations, well, we can jump a couple of tough ones, in general,

take it, we are already going the way we are going, not really someone ourselves continues to develop, continues to search, dimka oleev is now crazy, like this... yes, basically the main position, we have already won everything and indeed, probably, this comes from the audience, because the audience has spoiled them, they accept everyone perfectly, everyone love, we are all loved, but where are these dances that are not i know, the bobrensky cowboy, but it’s been a long time since i looked, yes, which continued when the champions were still looking for images in demonstration performances, finding different forms, learning new elements, tricks, some unique elements, mostly at demonstration performances now people are filming dividends, but i believe that this is a huge part of continuing your career, where you are obliged to develop yourself, find new ones, especially since you have time, you don’t have to chase

quadruples at exhibitions, well, at least at least two or three triple jumps, well, show us, we have some right away, that is , we jump everything in the mood, and then fight for one triple at the exhibition. performances, i think this is wrong, well, it somehow becomes especially noticeable among girls, because we saw there some incredible number of titles, victories, multi-rotation jumps, i understand that the topics of our beautiful girls are the most dangerous topic of all and we walked a tightrope with you, but i’m ready to take this blow myself, yes, i’m absolutely talking about the girls first of all, everyone is trying, but... well, i just think that we need to somehow change it in our heads, that this is also a big part of continuing a career, that the career did not end only then in the field, the career continues, every time you go out on a flight you have to confirm to conquer everything new and a new viewer, how realistic is it in

russia to make contracts that would oblige athletes to show a high level at your, for example, shows on your tour? well... we have our own mentality, we are afraid of contracts, we seem to rely on trust, with us, yes, it is considered to be humiliating, something of a contractual story, but probably in general, it would be generally more honest in all respects, that is, there is a certain basis, it is clear that a person can feel differently, this doesn’t mean that it should be there, sometimes it goes, maybe at least the attempts count towards the count, or not into the count, but there’s some kind of story, because in general, if you take away all the lyrics. then you, now i’ll say a terrible word again, buy a service, the service of a person’s performance, and he is there, yes, he can try everything, this is a story, but on the other hand, how do you write down in the contract the number that will win the audience, you can write down,

i need three triple jumps there, well, yes, three triple jumps, there is a triple throw with a pair of skating or two high lifts, in in principle, i think that it would be possible to withdraw dividends with another person, well , this is understandable, everyone has their own destiny, but you should receive compensation for this, including financial, and compensation for your time, then you understand that by investing, one way or another, you work for yourself, for him,

and for the country in the end, but everything must be compensated, and for me it is compensated by the coach who took the ready student or by the club that took this coach. that is, everything here is quite clear, well, you buy a semi -finished product, and compensate who made it by returning. to your direct line of work, your favorite ice show, don’t you think that this level, what we talked about, is falling, yes, in the performance of elements, attitude towards programs, it is still suffers due to the fact that now there is a lot of competition among you, including because there are a lot of different tours, a lot of shows, a lot of people who do this, athletes skate absolutely everywhere, in principle there are no exclusive relationships there, well, one won’t take uh . another will take that to strain, in general i have nothing special to add, you

cannot resist this wave in any way, well, do you agree with this, or maybe i’m wrong, athletes should not have a name because they are invited or not invited, your name and you you go out, and the price of a name speaks of internal responsibility, responsibility for yourself, for your name, so here, probably, here i probably don’t agree with you, that this is discouraging, and another thing is that... you simultaneously touched on another topic of that , that everyone skates everywhere, and practically no show has any exclusivity of its own, and at one time, of course, i remember the golden age when we were alone, and for the first 12 years, in general, we were an absolute monopoly on this market, including i had one like this an agreement with the guys that they perform only in my projects, and i, in turn , up to...

i think that in any case, we are also facing a moment when the interest in such a large number of ice projects will, one way or another, drop little by little , two or three projects will remain there. rybensk, hello, rybensk originated from a fishing settlement, where fishing once took place. in one season , our merchants made a real economic breakthrough. in rybinsk you need to find fish, it’s really fresh, i swam yesterday, it’s very good rich, directly rich, delicious, almost like japanese smoked charcoal, it turns out, smoked sterlid, the best day in the world. vologda is different from others.

look at the consistency of the cheesecake, it looks like a cook on wheels. on the weekend on the first, this is a city whose coat of arms depicts the most powerful beast, we are in the glorious city of yaroslavl, and everyone’s beloved ivan vasilyevich was filming the background here, also filming in the yaroslavl region. so, boyars, to erase what you have prepared in yaroslavl style, you need thin, thin straws. we are trying. but if if you were 10 years old, you could join. a number of young cosmonauts, a child’s dream has come true,

technology is something that girls, women, are quite capable of, quite capable of, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, vari sergeevna, you touched it, let’s go, the premiere is on saturday on the first, well, we continue our conversation with ilya overbukh, it seems to me that there is some... your fault, because if we are talking about the creation of stars, now you have told about everything that is being carried out, this is the creation of new stars, we had 11 olympic champions in sochi 10 years ago, you? was at the only show and where are 11 olympic champions of sochi in your show, well , it’s impossible, but you always stuck to the champions of 2006 and for the most part it’s still your corpse, don’t you think that someone just needs it too they wanted to make money, they also wanted to be like navka kostamarov, like domnina shabalin, like egudin in

the end, of course, but they give you work, but... what a story, here you are faced with a dilemma, these are the ones who you said, these people with whom i walked there 10 years, yes, and you understand that we came to a certain story, we won over the audience, we took off as a family, we traveled together on the same buses, slept in sleeping bags, we grew up, then you understand that new champions appear, such as there you will already be there twice and so on, there is snowed vetch, well, there’s such a galaxy, and here too... the story turns out that you, of course, i want, and wanted, continue to want, to attract here, but then you have to say goodbye to everyone, because this is not a rubber story, you see, there is a certain market capacity,

but it still consists of a commercial component, a certain amount of money. which is paid there, you determine the payment of the artists, here it is conditionally, there are 2 million rubles for the show, you have to pay everyone, you can’t say, well , now i’ll pay three, they can’t be taken from anywhere, because they come from ticket sales spectators, spectators objectively, they already have a cohort of 10 champions there, but they came, but they don’t come anymore, so the market capacity is not increasing, it turns out. thank you for everything, but now i work for those who sell more, because it is natural that the audience always wants fresh champions, they want, they love with pleasure those, but they buy tickets for those who have won just

now, and this is the law, and you say, guys, this is how it is with me, or let’s all... some kind of endless story, so i’m squeezed, i’m partly between the truth of my own, somehow there in my sidelines, you can say with my old farts, he’s sitting and so called fresh blood, which brings in general commercial components, here everyone will always have their own truth, and of course the guys here too, but objectively. the number, you said correctly, there are eleven champions and in general how everything has grown, with the surge in popularity, which of course occurred largely thanks to women’s singles skating, when a huge army of fans came, completely different ones, i still would n’t have put on one show , two or three would have appeared anyway, here in general i think that now

somehow the market regulates itself in our country... there is a biological age at which sooner or later you stop skating in ice shows, and aren’t you afraid that when your cast, who you love so much, who you, with whom you slept in these common sleeping bags on buses, just at some point everyone else is new the blood, which you are also talking about, will remain sorted out, you speak golden words, superstars will all skate with those who had them in their time. travels with them in these sleeping bags, sooner or later - everything somehow ends, passes, then the question is already there of honesty, yes, throwing and so on, of course, as a business person, i attract, i honestly don’t suffer from the fact that now if we take a recent show there - in st. petersburg, lyoshka yagodin and tanya tatmyanina performed there, but

misha nagalyamov and markratyuk, there is no such story that this is also on the tour. now the same thing is happening, and that is, you still found this golden one, it seems to me that it was found, and moreover, the guys even somehow want to ride in another show there with leshka yagodin, in any case - when i burst into the show there, yes at that time there were theaters there, tatyana antolena tarasova, he had already kind of left, there was igor bobrin’s theater then, such programs, well, they seemed like that to us, everything was already some kind of moss in all this. we will enter now, we will now be fresh, i will show what kind of show should be, it will be dynamic, bright there with all its performances, now i understand that i am already somewhere this flies, probably will appear - someone from now guys with some other approach, who will come up with a different solution, while no one has come up with it yet head, while we all work according to the standard, well

, plus or minus, the presenter announces the numbers, the numbers are slightly different in one topic to another, overbukh has already come up with everything according to his tablets, well , we, yes, well, not overbukh, overbukh too, we are all followers of others, of course, my whole theatrical movement is to follow from tatyana tarasova, and i always say that this is... it was when i saw their performance in luzhniki, when i was very little, including even then they were together with igor bobrin, and this is for me right then he put it off me that i should come to these performances, so we just all, we all continue everything, we all go one after another to the same, in principle, russian cities, to the same large skating rinks, places of worship, they also come there for competitions, and how to sell the number of tickets and how many do you think? a person in yaroslavl, vladivostok, perm can withstand this, no, how many times a year can he come to an ordinary show? i think that

basically there are no more than two, i think that there is a constant rotation, probably here we were a little lucky, from a handicap point of view, but we’re talking about those notorious 10 years, starting somewhere like you rightly said, the fourteenth from 2006 to the fourteenth year we even get eight. as they say, that is, the audience grows old along with you, you know, like now almost

everyone who tries, well, tries, tries, wants to get an autograph, they apologize a little, they say, we ’re taking it for our mother, that is, we don’t seem to be very need to be with you, but mom loves you so much, she loves your project, so we’re taking pictures for mom, you was realized not only as productions. ice shows and figure skating programs, but also as a director of large public events, and isn’t figure skating already small for you? thank you very much for saying this, because for me this is just a huge part of life, which still passes a little unnoticed, because there is a stamp, something like a figure skater, even now ilya averbuk is a figure skater, what kind of figure skater is there already, well , this for me now it’s even more than ice, and ice has become a little bit of a hobby, aside, yes, i love it, i’m grateful. basic ambitions are connected precisely with these projects that you mentioned, such things that are very, very emotional, and for me

they are very important, and even, probably, this is one of the options, that’s when a huge number of different ice projects appeared, i i was looking, i started looking for my exclusivity in stories like this, because this is also such a drug, when you have more than a thousand people , well... not subordinate to you, but in general, they depend, you are on your decisions, you are a karabas-barabas, you also like to drive, i like the volume, i really like the volume, voluminous big events, this experience that you get off the ice with staging huge public events helps you win year after year in the russian challenge, because for example, well, not only at the russian challenge, you stage brilliant productions there, yes, that is, you maybe you pick up something there and bring it into your... poor work, thanks to lednikovy, i, roughly speaking, got my hands on this production, because every week you do 10 numbers there, but you

yourself don’t rode around like a pale guy, and what are we there makes me in common with you, what i really like about you, when i invited maxim to ride in the summer period with his partner, you came, looked and said, well, we’ll definitely win, i’m not so interested, but that’s what happened, and that ’s cool. in the end, this partner won with a less stellar partner, and if perhaps this was the first time for me, of course, i would have agreed, but when i was already a friend of roma kostamarov, lyosha tikhanov, and many other guys, i already understood , what with what eyes they look at me during this watching, i realized that i couldn’t do that, so, returning to linikom, this is a huge school, you get your skills in, you guys go through, plus you take so much from the actors who come, they... but they don’t know how to skate, but they know how to think, they offer a lot of ideas, you pick them up, add something, see, analyze where you missed, where

you overextended, where you left. of course, it’s always hard there that you repeat yourself, but in any case, a colossal school, which any director can dream of, which i received precisely in the ice age project. then, struggling for it, i felt sick, in these numbers, miniatures, there was a performance of the lights of the big city, there were performances where everything began to emerge into such a big story, well, i just wish you some new big performance, because your performances always special and maybe you have some plans to stage something new interesting, thank you very much, i have plans, we are currently doing such a big job, i’m afraid to stare, or now we are everywhere and i want, of course, to make a big program a long hospital in moscow, and well, here ’s a small hall where people come and

it seems to me that there is now such a big one. we are leading them in the direction, however, i think that there will not be a program there, but we can do work in this, absolutely, this is what you were talking about, and rotation, and some people play for a week, others play for a week, there will be enough room for everyone, little by little, so what? well, let's go for a ride, i think that on this note we will end our conversation, it was really very interesting, thank you very much for finding your dense schedule, it’s time to come visit us, i’m very glad, thank you very much, thank you, it was a free program podcast, my guest was a real figure skating guru and not only ilya overbukh. hello, dear friends, this is the podcast life of the remarkable. and i’m with you, its host,

writer, alexey varlamov. july 10 marks the 150th anniversary of the birth of the wonderful sculptor sergei timofeevich konenkov. we will talk about him today. and my guests in the studio will be the heads of the museum of sergei konenkov’s workshop. museum this one belongs to the russian academy of arts. svetlana leonidovna bobrova and director of the moscow museum yesenino, oleg. robinov, hello, hello, and svetlana leonidovna, we’ll probably start with oleg yuryevich, because it’s clear why you are present in this studio, and as for oleg yuryevich, there is some intrigue, why are you why yesenin, please tell us about about your relationship to our main character, well, yesenin was a good friend of sergei timofeevich, konyunkov,

and sergei timofeevich comes to me. great-grandfather great-grandfather, that is, you are konenkov’s great-grandson, yes, along which line can you restore your genealogy? yes, my mother, alla kirillovna konenkova, she was born in the very house where the sergei timofeevich creative workshop museum is now located on tverskaya street, gorky street, then my grandfather kirill sergeevich konenkov, he is the son of sergei timofeevich, and there was also an eldest son mark , but he died in infancy, and soon after mark’s death my grandfather was born. sergeevich, that’s great, please tell me, konenkov lived a great life, with this life there are many different myths, very different legends associated with it. now, if we separate facts from myths, what we know about him for sure. well, in fact, in general, in my opinion, if we talk about any life, there are always myths and legends, they are intertwined, naturally, with the lives of the artist and the artist of the silver age,

then this all turns out doubly. but sergei timofeevich, his biography is really amazing, probably most often, when we hear about konenkava, we turn to the book my century, he lived a century and this is the book of his memories, one of his books, yes, his autobiography, but you can give away a secret, he wrote it himself or someone helped him, yes he wrote it himself, there was a journalist, literary record, mishkova, the record is probably kept in a museum, no, well, actually the publication has already been published in the literary record of alexander bachkov, that is , the publishing house politizdat published these books, well, in principle, during kanenkov’s life, but it’s strange why polit publishing house, it’s interesting, by the way, perhaps not all of his memoirs were published there in connection with with this, maybe you can shed some light on us, the point is that unfortunately we do not know from...

okay, let's get back to his biography. so, he was born into a rich peasant family, so to speak, well, at least into a non-poor peasant family. he is still not exactly rich, an ordinary peasant family. the only thing is that it was a large community, the village of karakovich, smolensk province, there were several families, when several households were connected by family ties, they received their freedom back in the 15th century, it turns out, no, no, they received their freedom after the patriotic war 1812, there is a wonderful legend, freeing the landowner from.

his last name, and then the peasant son sets off to conquer the capital, is that how it happened? not quite, he studied in broslavl, barin’s son was just going to study, and sergei timofeevich was taken as his companion, a boy of the same age, he successfully passed the exam, they prepared for the exam together, passed it successfully, then headed to moscow to the academy of painting, military from the patronymic, but this was not enough, the most important thing was that it was necessary...

preparation, whatever it was, it was school, which competed with the st. petersburg academy of art, and today it is what it is, the glazuny academy, at that time the moscow school positioned itself, so to speak, as the school that creates the russian national style, so young artists were needed who, firstly, should give birth to that very style, who can give birth to a genuine style if not a peasant son, who is free from all western influences, and therefore presented himself as...

the imperial academy of arts, viklemi, a famous sculptor who was famous the fact that he collected talented, brilliant students, when he met kanenok in the italian quarries, the st. petersburg academy of arts, that is , to receive a second education, yes, anticipating the joy of finding a genius, he studies at the academy of arts, naturally becomes a magnificent, brilliant student who does everything classical assignments associated with neoclassicalism at that time was the style of education in the academy. it was a program naturally related to classical neoclassical sculpture, when it came time for the diploma, the horse closes his workshop, even beklemisheva is not allowed to create that sculpture, which, as he believes, should

amaze everyone and overcome all the established norms of classicism of academic requirements, he creates his famous samson, here he is in front of you, shackled in samson, naturally the models were for him the inner ones he saw. of course, but with his mood and his vision, 1902, three years before the revolution, a few more years, 3 years, well, actually a wonderful scene, i see biklemishev anticipating a magnificent the work of konenkov, so the pre-commission was presented with what material it was made of, it was made of clay, and the commission was outraged by this, firstly, all the classical proportions are violated here, that is, it overcomes, look, there are exaggerated brushes here. and michelangelo’s proportions were also violated, well, not as much

as kanenkov’s, that is, konyunkov went further than michelangelo, no, it cannot be said that michelangelo’s academic education went further - this is the framework from which konenkov came out and naturally he i did what i shouldn’t do, it will be a little later, politics will certainly be a little full-thinking, also the first proposal to expel konyonkova from the academy for such freedom and denial of all academic norms, for nihilism for... wonderfully, samson

konyunkova will be standing in the center of the cafe. konyunkov turns to the academy, where he is told that the sculpture was destroyed by taking the owner’s address, of course, this was deceit, so it was possible to find the owner, konyonkov’s sculpture was destroyed. we would love to stayed on this story, if kanenkov would have lived 30 or 40 years, but he lived 100, we need to fit these 100 years into our format, but it’s not that long, so let’s move forward. so, konenkov and the revolution, briefly 905 and... why didn’t he like the tsarist regime, which benefited him, gave him an education, gave him calculations, what he wanted? well, i can’t say that i benefited, but nevertheless it was wonderful, but they always tell me that the christening could not achieve anything in any way, then i cite as an example the story of my great-grandfather, what he wanted then, what did you you want him to have freedom for the people, okay, good, move on. i once said that the worker

does not need, does not need a good life, he needs, needs to be the master of his life, there was a barricade, creative people, this barricade, which, as i understand it, was never broken, just as it was not conquered artillery attack of semyonov’s regiments, as konenkov said, only no one did anything to konenkov, no one imprisoned him there, no one repressed him for this, he was hidden by the merchants of yakunchik’s old believer, he had a workshop in a technical one. definitely sat yes, that’s why in general he became the patron of the old believer for konenkov and acquired his works, this is already a very interesting page separately, konyunkov is the eighteenth year, konyunkov becomes the most popular after the seventeenth year, probably a sculptor or naku accepts the revolution as the moyaks, he becomes the first sculptor of the young republic, this is a very interesting perception, i’m currently studying yesenin, because this is a very biblical perception of the events that took place, the birth of a new state, birth. bibles in general

cited, but it was precisely then that they communicated, they were friends, they were called another sergei, they were called two sergei, in fact, they were 20 years apart after all, it turns out that konenkov was such an older friend, for example, konenkov power, konenkov and lenin, yes, it’s true that he met, but of course, the fact is that konenkov was one of the founders. the famous leninist plan is monumental propaganda, in fact, according to this plan , the first revolutionary work was created, the first revolutionary sculpture, this is the famous plaque to those who fell for the brotherhood of peoples in the struggle for peace, which was installed on the wall of the senate tower, after some time the work, this is konyunkov’s work, for it was very important for him, in fact konyunkov depicts the angel of revolution, the angel of victory in the hands... of the angel victory laurel branch,

palm branch, excuse me, as golovalkov, a symbol of immortality, this is vrubel’s image, angels of victory, angels of revolution, there are certainly iconoplean connotations red, white, so we move on to the next period in the horse’s life in 1923 he goes to america and stays. there for more than 20 years, and he left not alone, but left with a young wife, this is his second wife, margarita ivanovna, her last name was vorontsova, in my opinion, she had, yes, she was from sarapola, a wonderful city on the banks of the kama. so this is the most mysterious external plot, sergei timofeevich was invited by the committee for organizing art exhibitions and tours at the all-russian central institute in order to join the exhibition committee, the exhibition was supposed to be shown in the united states of america, as it were, the best

a work of modern russian art, young soviet art is not at all young, works by recognized artists were presented. but nevertheless, one of the organizers of the exhibition, igor imanilovich grobar , returns, but sergei timofeevich remains. he immediately received a sufficient number of orders and did not have time to correct, as he said, the documents in time, and later, after lenin’s death, it was difficult to do this. the orders were very interesting. the fact is

that already during the exhibition, konyunkov received his first order from dr. levin, who was working at rockfiller at the time. institute, one of the most important educational scientific organizations, he soon received an order from the institute for advanced studies in princeton, but this is already a story connected with albert einstein, he was indeed in immediate demand, that is , the americans really liked him, a year later he had already organized a personal exhibition at grant central palace, this is also very prestigious, very important, they dissuaded him from going, they were also in america, they would have been there, unlike him from yesenin he really liked it there, no, well , as i understand it, he also missed his homeland, and margarita ivanovna recalled this very interestingly, just that when konenkov worked, naturally, commissioned

portraits, for money, were needed for something to live, otherwise if he didn’t like a person, he didn’t like making his portrait, he cursed, and she was a translator. she, he spoke a lot, and she translated little, they asked her why mr. kanenkov speaks a lot, and you translate so little, she said that these are the peculiarities of russian speech, this is a wonderful memory, wonderful, but let’s go back, yes, let’s go back to this woman, to albert einstein, einstein probably took this photograph, most likely it’s the two of them, in new york, this is how it is with him once in the house, at the home of princeton, their first visit was sergei timofeevich, margarita ivanovna, again. according to legend, we will now treat the memory as a legend, they were photographed by albert einstein, and how did einstein appear on the horizon of a russian emigrant sculptor, it’s very simple, it was official an order from the institute of advanced studies in princeton, where she worked at that time, in fact, he created portraits of the employees of this institute, for some period of time,

in fact, it was 1935 einstein, but in the center we see a portrait, an image of albert einstein, yes, this is that famous portrait. during the work on which this story was born, connected with friendship with albert einstein, with his family, the fact is that kanenkov had a principle, when he was working on the sculpture, he asked margarita ivanovna to talk to the models, it was very important for him to read emotions, he himself didn’t know english, he knew english perfectly, i confirm everywhere they write that he never learned english, in our library konyunkovsky has books translated by konyunkov in the original, he read and... by the way, i have shakespeare at home, his, yeah, which he read in the original, in 1946 there are entries in konenkov’s notebook, tomorrow, as he writes, i’m making a program on america in english, this is already from moscow , yes from moscow, that is, he spoke in english, well

, there was some kind of program, apparently, well , actually returning to einstein, and margarita ivanovna, well, still served as a translator, but the fact is that she knew very well. the question is, what are you working on now, and albert einstein began to tell him what he is working on and what he is famous for, but looking into his eyes, but some kind of reason for conversation was needed, that is, you think that this is...

danger the emergence of superweapons, and

the beginning of the war in 1943, when naturally, the fate of russian emigrants, although komenkov was not an emigrant as such, that’s another story, there was a soviet passport, sadaplatov’s department apparently determined that the konyunkos were quite close to the circle of einstein and naturally robert oppenheimer, and as you know, oppenheimer. was at one time a member of the communist party, oppenheimer's circle, scientists, firstly, supported russia as allies, and the victory over fascism was very important for them, so the help was absolutely disinterested, but nevertheless less specifically , the famous, well-known intelligence officer elizaveta zarubina, who supervised margarita ivanovnakanka, came to the united states, starting in 1943, they all fought against fascism. allies, so superweapons were the most terrible, actually determining the outcome of the war, so margarita’s role was quite important,

well, again turning to the court payment, what was, what was margarita’s role, she asked robert oppenheimer, she definitely worked with those physicists of leftist persuasions who could help in the project, that is she was involved in the personnel policy of the american nuclear personnel, i am just referring. she actually could connect emigration, red, white, completely different views of people who help.