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it’s possible, because where did he look at who he got it from, and he has absolutely blank eyes, it means he’s looking at them like that, and kaksakov said that he didn’t even notice us and didn’t explain his outfit in any way, nothing, just absence closed the doors, that is, he wrote in such altered states of consciousness absolutely there, probably at that time he wrote a tragedy from the life of the zaporozhye cossacks , he dressed up, well, in 1945 , something happened to gogol that actually happened, which then led to his death the second volume of dead souls to the tragedy, he wrote in the maid of honor of the court alexander iosipov smerlova and terrible words that no writer would even admit to himself if this happened to him, he literally wrote the following: god took away from me the ability to create. you are watching precious stories, my name is ekaterina varkan, my guest today is vladislav otroshenko, a wonderful russian writer, we are talking with him. said that there is
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an image that confirms this idea, yes, by the way, a caricature, yes, yes, yes, there was something from him, all of russia is waiting for him, the dead spirit is waiting for the second volume, yes, this is a very famous caricature from 846, just after this confession of gogol, god took away from me the ability to create, you see, there is a picture of gogol up there, he is sleeping on the second volume of dead souls, the second volume is written right there, and he is sleeping on it, this is it... the caricature actually proves this idea that russia demanded, waited from gogol, the second volume of dead souls, and gugol, he promised to in 842, when he was leaving russia, he said that in 2 years he would return with the second volume, he published the first in may 842, now he will return with the second volume, now it comes, 2 years pass, 3 years, 4 years, and until the year forty-eight, when he returned. to
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russia, in fact, he, he, no second volume was published, but all of russia saw this caricature and google saw it, and what’s more, he even wrote to my mother that there are rumors that i’m ashamed to return to russia , because the second one doesn’t have dead souls on his hands, well, here you go these are all the stories that show us these, you know, like all these strange things, this is some kind of fog that gogol himself let loose over the whole world in fact, he...
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we imagine a portrait of him, we saw something like this here is gogol with a combed crest, shaved temples, in general, not a canonical gogol is very significant, well, and many other interesting descriptions of the same oksakov in gogl we saw something khakhlad and poltovian, and nikitenko supports him, his face had a share of slyness that excites to him mistrust, famous fashionista.
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this is gogol’s pincushion, guns were left over from someone, yes, a pincushion, so we also have the so-called irmolka, but if you were talking about kakoshnik, then i have the feeling that in this cap he could well have composed old-world landowners , so it seems, russian landowners loved to dress all sorts of unusual fancy clothes, but in general everyone celebrated when he appeared, which means everyone in st. petersburg...
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nikitenko has such an observation that he becomes pompous and pedantic, right away, when he begins to say something seriously, the mind and feelings of language lose all originality, he does not notice this, but marks him straight as a genius, so, but we said that gogol actually thought of himself as a writer and brought with him such a programmatic work then for him, written not yet in st. petersburg in 1827, this is a poem by hans kuchelgarten, yes. yes, it’s such a romantic poem with such a general outlook on the future, here we have a cover, and such distant dreams about a beautiful life, beautiful countries about fame, well, such are gogol’s dreams there were always, but somehow it didn’t work,
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things didn’t work out, in general no one paid attention to it and in any way, let alone success, but simply didn’t pay attention, yes, yes, yes, somehow gogol’s penchant for pyromania, like me.
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well, google in general is just funny, this is literature, gogol thinks, laughs, you understand, but how about it from the outside, it means looking at it all, well, in general , google still clearly knew, so to speak , its company, which it was drawn to, this is natural and zhukovsky and pushkin, that is, it was necessary to enter into some kind of literary society, because it means to move there, so to speak, all the more so, it means there is such success here, it means this book was a wonderful... story, which means that in the thirty- first year we know that izhukovsky guns lived in tsarskoe selo, but gogol lived in pavlovsk, well, he’s probably not far there after all, we know, yes, and he probably once visited the tsar’s village, probably saw pushkin, as we understand, but he writes beautiful things, which means his own ,
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that is, to our relatives, we, zhukovsky, pushkin and i, gathered almost every evening, but this a purely auditor, an english ambassador, a german ambassador, a french one, and i, you understand, but this is already, this is... this is from above zhukovsky, which means zhukovsky cannot be recognized, it seems that a new broad poet has appeared and a purely russian one, gogol notes, but further even more interesting, he asks his mother to write him letters to pushkin’s address in tsarskoe selo with a request that alexander sergeevich give these letters to nikolai vasilyevich, and he not only wrote once, but he insistently, have you forgotten something there? write, now you need to write the royal thing to alexander sergeevich, here, but this...
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and gogol lured this watch, which means from zhikovsky, well, according to our ponies , they hung on the wall of zhikovsky, imagining how he took it to look at it and twisted it, twisted it, well, take it for yourself, in general, well, because there is no other way, because it was on the zhukovsky shore, that means, yes, here is gogol, then it means,
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well, gogol had no descendants, and that means the watch ended up first with sister olga, and then with elizaveta, so that’s the plot -that means that gogol passed it on to one sister, then... that means to another sister elizabeth, and elizabeth had a son, nikolai vladimirovich bykov, this nikolai vladimirovich, which means he successfully married maria alexandrovna, the last name was pushkin, it was the granddaughter. and pushkin is published by a contemporary, we know, and invites gogol to collaborate, well
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, to engage in criticism, gogol was destined to be a journalist, but he is already a writer, yes, so he has his own separate opinion, he composes an article, the movement of magazine literature, this is placed an article in the first volume, which means a contemporary, here in the third, also without indicating the author, in the third already pushkin. in general, so to speak, he responds to gogol, which means that he is quite defiant in his article, he writes first of all that i saw a big contradiction, a big prejudice against senkovsky, which means that senkovsky is my favorite person, i just adore him, and i i think that his contemporaries and descendants all trampled on him, so they destroyed him, he is wonderful, he is, first of all, he is a brilliant high-born, he is the founder, one might say, of the russian school of orientalism, a magnificent... writer, known to us under the name baron brondeus, amazing, there not only fantastic things, there are scientific
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things that have elements of science fiction, which later subsequent scientists said, how did he know this, because such laws were not known then, he then there were a lot of very secular secular observations, interesting characteristic features of the individual, but just an absolutely brilliant person, he was the editor of a library for reading such a fashion magazine, so to speak. which was published then, and this is the first glossy magazine, here is a library for reading, and even belinsky himself said that this is an ideal magazine for the mass reader, well, you won’t get such a belinsky, for some reason gogol, that means, the analyzes are critical, he didn’t like much, gogol liked that he was trampling the public, well, naturally, he caters to low taste , as we understand, gogol didn’t like it later, which means that these are very frivolous, funny analyses. that 500 subscribers, which means that this is also, so to speak, no good, but this magazine, it means,
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was still very, so to speak, it had a lot of innovations, for example, this first, they introduced the ptor fee, by the way, they brought senkovsky brought all the texts to a single denominator, a single style, the so-called rewriting, that ’s all, actually, our fashion magazines of the late nineties, early 2000, they believe that they invented glossy fashion magazines . senkovsky’s analysis of all sorts of literary works, and even about 500 subscribers, everyone can envy if we have
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the same number, but gogol, in general, as a journalist-critic ended after that, in in general, in my opinion, as far as i remember, he somehow didn’t take it up anymore, and even, so to speak, in my opinion, he went abroad in despair, maybe he didn’t leave in despair, he actually refused at some point, when dead souls became his main creation, he became irritated when they asked him to do something for the magazine. said, no, no, no, so we said that he borrowed the plots, yes, so to speak, there is a legend that the auditor pushkin gave him dead souls, and gogol very blissfully talks about how he received dead souls, that yes, in the author’s story he wrote in plain text that he had dead souls, and that pushkin persuaded him there, that means this and that, but pushkin in general doesn’t quite agree here, so let’s say, he even has such the phrase that the small-haired man needs to be careful, he rips me off. so that you can’t shout, that is, who gave what to whom and how, then we
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know smirny again, and aleksan osipovna, and he from her too, which means that she is our beauty, he demanded a large number of all kinds of observations from her, so in general he is heroes didn’t feel, didn’t see, that is, he somehow gave birth to them himself, that is, he needed some external signs, then he did something like this, there were a lot of moments, he needed - how to say this - here this whole paperwork, all of it, they directly caught him on the fact that the deeds of sale, as described by dead souls, were not carried out like that, and so many of the bureaucratic affairs there. it was as if he didn’t know them completely, but she was like the wife of governor kalubsky, she of course knew some things, well, she wasn’t just talking about those who bought him wrote, in general, well, in my opinion, the auditor, it means the play is imprinted, in my opinion this is an appaphios swindle, well, for gogol, because this is an absolute self-portrait, well , i think so, but this is just an autograph for
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a self-portrait, you see, i have it, well , senkovsky doesn’t leave it here either, because i have ease of thinking.
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uh, well, well, but here there is a high style, a high style, this is what he started with, you know, yes, with this first youthful work of his, then he was forced hypocritically, so to speak, to rebuild into some other works, into dekanki, into auditors, everything else, degenerate and turn over, again we remember nikitenko, who speaks, as soon as he is in high spirits,
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becomes puffed up and pedantic, again we remember, but in parallel he walked still the second volume of dead souls, here... in general, of course, it was a complete breakdown, because, so to speak, he still wasn’t going, wasn’t going, well, he was going somewhere, this work is meant, then suddenly he saw , when this arose, well, let’s put it this way, rejection of correspondence with friends, gogul apparently looked deeper in the second volume, he saw that, in fact, well, this book, as if he was writing an instructive virtuous book, and even chichikov turned out to be a highly moral person, and chichikov without his properties is not chichikov. and well, we’re just trying to briefly formulate this now, yes, but i can imagine to what extent it was a discovery and a shock for gogol himself, when he discovered all this on a scale, on the scale of these two works, and even that all the spiritual meanings, which he generally cherished all his life, they turned out to be false and lost, so i have the feeling that out of the horror of this whole understanding, he came and
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burned the second volume out of horror and died from horror, well - you know we... we’re here with you, as it were we’re just approaching this subject, maybe from different angles, but we have the same subject, i feel it, that indeed, firstly, the connection, of course, is undeniable between the selected passages from correspondence with friends , the second volume, the connection between the death of gogol and the publication of this book, selected passages from correspondence with friends, why? because on the one hand, he himself later admitted in the author’s confession that he gave away this book.
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chichikov, from such a rogue-swindler, a half-demonic character, he turns into such a decent christian in the second volume, he says there that he will leave everything there... he will work, he will help his neighbors, he will not he will overeat, he is a respectable christian, he will work for the good of the fatherland, for the good of everything in general, so he is
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there kissing the boots of the governor general, which means he’s being released from prison, he ’s struggling in prison, but in general he’s burned out of horror and died, well, his horror, i think, so i look at it, you know, purely artistic... such, well, through the prism , gogol’s artistic sense, yes, gogol, as an artist, a great artist, he could not help but understand that that chichikov who appears there in the second volume of dead souls, that this chichikov, he is just a dead doll, which is in the mouth, which some respectable truths are invested, yes, some and which they are simply pronounced, this is essentially implantation , i’m telling you. of horror he died, yes , of course, of course, he was seized by horror, of course, he was seized by horror, he was seized by horror primarily because he saw that this is what they wanted from him, by the way, on
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the one hand he himself had a message, you ’re right, yes, because he had this one, he even wanted to leave, to accept, so to speak, to go to a monastery, yes, he had this desire to become a monk, yes, he has it he was, and... but russia also wanted from him, you know, as if they expected from him, they expected from him positive images, they even demanded from him positive images, you know, we now all understand that gogol, gogol is like, well, this is a great classic genius, yes, but during gogol’s lifetime everything was wrong, and there were some people who had a sharply negative attitude towards gogal, this is a great artist who created great works, and this is the greatest drama. because, in my opinion , this very story of the creation of the second volume of dead souls is the most enormous catastrophe not only in russian history
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literature, but world literature, because indeed gogal was still thinking about the third volume, he had a plan to write a second third volume, and this is a disaster - but it has a very important positive aspect, the positive aspect is...
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his servant holding his hand there, his eyes bulging out there, nothing like that, gogol did all this very calmly, he had already made this decision, and when he put this
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bunch of notebooks in the fireplace, these were bound sheets, and set them on fire with a candle, there was no fire there, he lit it himself with a candle, it was a stove, dutch girl, the fire began to go out, because the sheets were tightly tied, then he took gogol like that and calmly untied it all, and the boy at the same time - when he says: what are you doing, master, don’t, stop, and he says: it’s none of your business, pray, and uh, he untied these strings, unfolded these sheets, set them on fire again, and he sat like this calmly, watched as this second volume burned, only then, when everything burned, did he start leaking like this a tear down his cheek and he kissed the boy, who was also crying, and on january 1, 1952, he told lev arnold that it was all ready for publication, that is... thank you very much vlad for the interesting conversation, you looked at precious stories, we talked today about nikolai vasilyevich gogol, my name is zina.
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hello, i’m cosmonaut anton shkaplerov, this is a podcast about space stories, today we have an unusual episode, i wo n’t be hanging on it alone, stanislav dyudinsky, hello, film historian and my co-host. thank you, hello, today our guest is the director of an animated film, the author of the animated film “we can’t live without space,” and more one animated film, well, not only these, of course, many others, which is also largely dedicated to space, he cannot live without space, he is already confused, yes, yes, that’s it, now we will explain everything, konstantin bronzit, hello konstantin, why the space theme, why did you make a cartoon
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about space? now here’s anton, it’s not a straight-forward question, i’m always forced to make a slight correction, the theme is not space, these two films have completely two different themes, and they are not directly related to space, space in my films, just like the background is behind us now, we are talking here, and there is space, and so it is also in the film. the theme of the first film is loneliness, the loss of a loved one, the most important person for you, and the character’s experience of...
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about this, tragic experiences, the theme of the second film is destiny, but space dramatizes this whole situation, so i, as a director, not that i even chose space, as a space in which everything would happen, but it just came, i didn’t even choose, because to be cosmonaut, anton, well, i don’t need to tell you, it’s probably the most dangerous profession in the world, well, really, it’s not a trolleybus driver, let alone an engineer, so, probably, for a film... it’s always important to play on the positive side, so space it worked out for me, it came out on its own, then the story is about something else. well, yes, indeed, at first it seems that the films are about space, then we understand that the topic is completely different, i just thought, maybe because you were born on april 19, and it’s sixty-five , after all, astronautics is on the rise , and maybe they wanted to become an astronaut, and i also, konstantin eduardovich, this is in
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honor of tsalkovsky, absolutely true. my parents didn’t bother here for a long time, and you ’re right, april 12, my birthday in 1965, but these are just amazing life coincidences, there’s no need to look for some direct connection here with what happened to me with the films why i was born like this, it seems to me, i’m not ready to be responsible for the choice of the almighty, perhaps i was told from above to act this way, here’s a bronzer. born on april 12, you will still do two films about astronauts, but i have a feeling that these are all random connections, when you shot the first film - from this idiology, you can call it a dilogy, i don’t know, yes, yes, these are necessarily idiologies, this is an animated diptych, thank you stanislav , this is the moment that i’m really a little proud of, because well, in general i know this, a historical retrospective of animation, but correct me if i’m wrong, i
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have a feeling that no one... in the animation of such a diptych , connected by some specific important, powerful arch, no one never did, it would seem, in 100 years a lot of things have been done, after all, i made some small discovery, and an animated diptych, yes indeed, but still , when you were filming, and you studied the life of astronauts, here are some i don’t know if they carried out research, or if this is all a set of impressions that a person spends his entire life when he watches how the space industry is developing, because of course we know everything simply from documents. a film based on programs, a lot about gagarin, in general , such a script could probably be written by anyone a person who has been observing the development of the industry from the land of space, the last decades, well, in the first film, at the beginning there is specific preparation for the astronaut, and such as it is, that is, at the beginning, i lied a lot, probably there, so i had the question is who advised, because everything down to the smallest detail includes the centrifuge, everyday life, everything is exactly as it is during the preparation of space, i
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suspect you tell me now. can we watch this piece for a bit? yes, you know, i practically came up with all this, i understood, but i had the feeling that i was lying, godlessly lying, but... but it’s clear that i’m not an idiot, i tried to be a little bit literate, so that i wouldn’t be caught in some kind of falsehood by simply uninitiated viewers, naturally i i looked at something, and what i looked at, there are a few materials on the internet, but these centrifuges, there are some separate small fragments, and they are not of very good quality, but it doesn’t matter, i somehow summarized all the material received and something i drew such general ones for general reasons, i suspect that i lied a lot, but my...
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frontier viewers, and how did he get on the list of oscar nominees, maybe how this mechanism happened before, this is the second question, now then on to the first, briefly, i think i practically said it, because it’s catchy because that this is a universal human story, a feeling of loss, inevitable loss, and even losses that are still possible, children begin to feel that grandmother may leave, grandfather may leave, about this, yes, all of us, people, inevitably experience this one day, and even not once, but several times in my life, on the one hand, everyone experiences this in their own way, on the other hand, it is a homogeneous experience, one, familiar to everyone, and i think that this is where i get to, everyone
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finds their own echoes in it, and now about that, how they get there, they get there, there are two ways, technical qualification and festival qualification are not enough to get to the oscars. just make a film, a colossal amount of films are being made in the world, and not every film made is sent here, the academy will simply be overwhelmed, it will not sort it out, thousands of films are produced, but so the academy makes the first important filter to send to the oscars in this race to get on the longlist, you must win at least one main prize at some significant festival, then you get the right to send your film to the oscars, is there a list of the festival? yes, yes, on the academy’s website there is a list of festivals, which are called wax academy qualifying festivals. you have the badge of a member of the ovskord committee. academy award in 2009, it was awarded long before
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your film was actually nominated. no he was issued after the first nomination in 2009. i would like every filmmaker to one day attend such, let’s say, the olympics. language, because in the end, no matter how disgusting it is, these are certain competitions in art, thank god, it wasn’t us directors who came up with this, yes, you know, this is a real holiday, and it’s not fake, it’s honest, it’s a professional holiday , you are honored no matter what, here you go, we are on the same leg, everyone respects each other, no matter what you did little cartoon, and this is an outstanding actor, this is such an absolutely democratic professional get-together in the literal sense, where you feel... you, that you have done something so significant and they saw you, yes, this is such a small professional feedback, it’s great, it’s nice , lady gaga, this is lady gaga, yes, she was also nominated for some song, i think, that year, yes, that’s why she’s there, and
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this is a whole range of events, it’s not just the ceremony itself, and there’s a whole range of different events, shows, meeting with the press, with the public, and so on and so forth, this is not one day lasts, this is approximately an event, a festive event lasts. about 2 weeks, it’s amazing, it’s so permanent, this is john lasater, this is a great man in the pix studio, that is, with us, with us , people who are not initiated into all this are close, they have the feeling that this is just a ceremony, everything, a ceremony - this is the apotheosis of this whole professional holiday, so it’s great, it’s true, it makes sense to visit, you’re lucky, yes, it’s true, i’m lucky, well, in principle, it’s like in the best examples of the soviet there is very often no animation, including no words, there is not a single dialogue except. here i also wanted to say to my colleagues...

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