hello everyone, this is a free program podcast, i’m maxim tronkov, our guest is maestro ilya overbukh, ilya, hello, hello, and first of all, thank you for inviting me, because i always enjoy watching, it’s such a calm time at night, when you really dig deep for sincere answers, everyone here on this chair opens up very much, and i was waiting for this invitation, honestly, when it came, i opened everything there, immediately jumped up, now... the federation pays a lot of attention to the development of the artistic side of skating among athletes, that is, in principle, now you are more open to activities, there are a lot of requests, they ask coaches a lot, they call and ask to put on programs? well , quite a lot, quite a lot, in general, i ’m so proud that there are a lot of programs in sports programs in general, with which the guys won, including when zhenya medvedeva and i were involved. we collaborated just for two

years, when she became a two-time world champion, we did all the programs, there was a program with yulia lepnitskaya, mishka leda, with pair skating, ice stations, with liza tuktamysheva, we did sports programs and many artistic programs, this is of course, well, the main thing is to find this character, in principle, well, almost everything i worked with dima aliyev, but of course i would like to maybe work with mark, who... is like that too , because the guy is very artistic, he directly feels the world, we are very similar to him, this is his charisma, but for now we have only left such demonstration dances, now the international figure skating federation is just thinking about moving still, from the complication of the technical towards the artistic, how do you feel about this initiative? well, of course i should advocate, i should s...

anyway, we talked first of all about this, when everything comes together, when it really is not just gymnastics, well, in terms of execution, when it also fits into a single image, for example, probably , from such programs that i did not stage there, but i think there absolutely, this is a strong-willed bolero, well, you can simply admire this program endlessly, when every jump is organic, this is, of course, the highest story, everyone dreams of this, but if you still compare, then probably still...

there are so many of these ins and outs in ice dancing that i’m not yet fully interested, probably, but honestly , on the other hand, no one, as i said, no one invites me, yes, if of course they invited me, and who would be happy, then a couple in general, look at them, just just do the running ones and you already get aesthetic pleasure, because well, they are both absolutely beautiful guys, and of course this such material, but here i am... directly in public,

so that sasha doesn’t think, zhulin, that i ’ll catch him there, i directly ask you, let me do a demonstration dance with him, and if zhulin offered you this option, what would you do next a year on the russian call you have given kotselap’s number, but you don’t give it to anyone else, or it’s already a question of money, but so far something with money is not very good, you are always not very good, everything is fine, this is a jewish yes. you know, i’m honestly not lying, you can pick me up at my word later, i’m even probably in in any case, of course, it’s hunger and thirst, well , really, honestly, not for money, but the thirst to be with everyone and show your versatility with those, of course it comes out of you, but this year i realized that i due to the fact that i had quite a lot of numbers, i missed some things

, i missed them, for example, work with your students, well, yours, your school of taras and morozov, there was no dissatisfaction left here, i didn’t finish it, but i didn’t i didn’t see it, i didn’t wait. after all, on the run, we could do everything so that if already this the idea, then it had to be conveyed, or vice versa, as i did in the previous season with lesha yagudin, when we did a dance, it seemed to me that no one had ever seen it like this, it was the blues, it was such a sophisticated story, we tried to make humor there using the sounds, so he makes this humor, i sit for 2 days, i say, lyokha, this is complete, it’s simple, it’s impossible to watch, this is not humor, this is a failure, and we start sitting all night, yes there’s a rush to mikitupa, at first no, well, how long has everyone already rolled over again, to mikitupa, but then i i understand that it’s all the same, that’s when that one, somewhere those elements that were already typed, as you understand, that were then, we changed here, it came in and by the morning the picture was formed, and i

realized that that’s it, there won’t be any questions here , he and lyosha, when he understands, everything works out, i didn’t have such time, that’s when there’s just no fuss, you’re chasing harder, when there’s nowhere to retreat, you go, you had to... you’ll get the golden ball, maybe that’s all - we will succeed, thank you for actually talking about how you can win without once, lyosha, a truly outstanding figure skater, and the fact that it’s not so easy to actually find those elements, because of course, well, the base, the ice vocabulary,

of course, he no longer has the one that was and is what the guys have who are skating now, and at the same time, but he has fantastic magnetism, he’s just like a boa constrictor with... you know, and every time i’m alyosha, well, like lesha, and of course he didn’t let me run through everyone else - to find this is a solution, find a topic so that he can talk and tell and take away, i think that lyosha

should beautifully give others the opportunity to win next year, he showed himself perfectly, he is above the fray, or maybe he was just distracting you, what? other people wouldn’t have created masterpieces, well, he didn’t distract me, i don’t think that’s what he’s like, he just wanted it, he really really really wanted it, and this story, in principle, it so happened that when liza tutamysheva called and also sent music, i realized that we, in principle, are practically the same as lyosha’s, only they’re written down, yes, and i say, fox, you you know, well, it’ll just be generally the same thing, i’ll just do both here and there, we have poems there, there’s an instrumental here, she says, i’m sure lisa too.

here lyosha took those points when it was already clear that everything was over, and that’s exactly it, but in general i want to say, here’s how i, after all, a person who puts well, i... just bow deeply for that jury, which has already been sitting on the russian cart for 2 years in a row, is fantastic; in all 16 years , boris eifman has never managed to get the ice age jury, although we constantly do this we did it, because this is of course such a peak, it’s just enough, of course alla segalova is outstanding and the actors are everything, well, for me, of course, i try my best. look through the eyes of boris eifman, but for me this is such a supreme comrade. tragic and

lyrical numbers, they are much better appreciated, more in demand by judges and spectators than numbers that are cheerful, positive, cheerful, maybe, what topic would you suggest for the next russian challenge, to satisfy everyone, so that this scales though it would sway, okay, it wouldn’t stand straight, but it wouldn’t tip to one side, this is an eternal problem. to make the whole episode look alive, you can just roll dance, you can just, i don’t know,

do some kind of funny cossack dance, a lot of life-affirming music, but it doesn’t connect you from the point of view of the hero’s empathy, you applaud in the audience, bam-bam, like that , so that it happens here, it happens only in dramatic numbers, but of course it’s impossible all the time, here we even agreed with the judges in letnikovo period, that you will support... we support funny numbers, we support something, after all , i brought him to light, whose program you liked from those that you did not have a hand in in this russian challenge of this year, well, this is of course masha with lesha, with the hedgehog in the fog. because again, well, again , a dramatic number, but these words,

this message, of course, seemed to work, by the way, i’m surprised, in principle, pyotr gumennik had a very interesting idea, in my opinion, i ’m surprised that this is the jury, it’s somehow i didn’t notice at all, are there any other directors, what do they lack in order to win, to win against overbukh? i think that very often many, well , it’s like the first mistake of those who look at they write that we are now going to stage, i don’t know, i don’t want to offend anyone, but some kind of prop, this will save us, this will be all , so we, as it were, made an application, then we went again - to work, it is very important to continue the story throughout the entire issue, it is much more difficult to start, well, the story is clear, we first outlined, further, plus or minus, movement into the accents, but they shouldn’t... there is a little bit of history

, after all, the separation of the beginning of the number, then the technical richness, sometimes they hit the accent well, they didn’t hit it, plus or minus, and the way out is probably this, that i’m still trying, to which i pay a lot of attention, and why did you take her hand, why did you take her, why can’t you take her by the shoulders, it’s too rude. put your hands down, but raise your hands, press, hold, let go, no, rude, again, bad again, we stand for a long time, we look, this everything is a very important process, after all, while everyone is chasing this very literary idea, here we have an idea, well, we kind of told it in the first 20 seconds, then we moved faster, in general, of course, amateurs are in a hurry, why do professionals win ? .. in the russian challenge tournament, it’s mostly the professionals who win so far, if we take two seasons, they

are no longer in a hurry, they already know how to work with a pause, they already know how to stand, wait, the amateur is in a hurry, they really want to go faster at 1.00 elements in one second to invest that you know about uruguay, it is one of the most prosperous and developed countries in latin america, and i also know that cows live here. more than people. the national meat of the uruguayans is beef; it is almost a religion for us. what a model of a beautiful woman in montevida. for our women. comfort comes first, some people feel comfortable without makeup, some won’t go to the supermarket without full makeup, and what are you drinking , this mate, yes, these are special leaves from a tree, various other herbs, mote in coffee shops and it’s not sold in restaurants, everyone makes it for themselves only at home, come often to dance, i come here not only

to dance, but also to find a gentleman, you know, i’m already at such an age that i want to meet my love. the lives of others, the premiere, tomorrow is on the first day, something bitter is our fate, mish, how we didn’t live our own lives, varvara, so that i don’t see him here, i won’t let you live, they’re calling you, airborne, just wait for me, do you hear, i love you, there is no life without you, have you gone crazy, have you lost your mind, he beats you often, leave him, i love him, and you what, you put on a cop uniform, you think i ’m afraid to touch you, you’ll explode one day, little wolf, you don’t know the shores, your son is alive, what son, whom you walked with the bear, will we really find out where he is, two shores, premiere from monday to first,

our guest today is a person, without whom figure skating would probably not exist in russia. ilya verbukh, i’ll go back a few steps, because i really wanted to ask you about one point. usually, when an athlete finishes, gradually, then there is already this resting on their laurels, with rare exceptions, it seems to me that two couples, one dancing, russian, one sports, i’m talking, of course, about vika, sinitsa, nikita katsalapov and evgeniy tarasov and vladimir morozov, who seem to after the olympic games, our people began to skate better than them. skated even in sports, well , i’ll say this thing now, no, this happens to many people, well, i think that mm tatyana navka and roman kostomarov - after sports they skated better than they skated in sports, and they have an outstanding free skate program and carmen, well, and the eastern eastern program, but still there was a lot of

sports there, so when they came out you couldn’t take your eyes off it, it felt like it. in terms of fullness, when they don’t renounce lovingly, these are these demonstration numbers that we all remember very well, which before my eyes, for me, navkostamarov skated an order of magnitude higher than they skated in sports, few do so, for me, i would probably aggravate here i wish the question was a little different, if possible, we have a certain feeling, for some reason many figure skaters, i have a big complaint about them in this regard, as a person who spends a lot of time. the number of ice shows as a producer, especially among the modern generation, not your generation, not the generation before, there is a feeling that we have done everything we need in sports, and exhibitions, well, we can jump a couple of triples in general, here accept, we are already going the way we are going, not really someone who continues to develop himself, continues to search, now dimka oleev

is just doing a somersault, that’s how bravo, yes, but basically the main... position, we are all done they won and indeed, probably, this comes from the audience, because the audience spoiled them, they accept everyone, it’s great, they love everyone, we are all loved, but where are these dances, which i don’t know, the bobrensky cowboy, well, it’s been a long time since i looked, yes , who continued, when the champions were still in demonstration performances, looking for images, finding different forms, learning new elements, tricks, some unique elements, basically to show.

well, this somehow becomes especially noticeable among girls, because we saw some incredible numbers of titles, victories, multi-turn jumps, i understand that the topics of our beautiful girls are the most dangerous topic of all topics and we walked a tightrope with you, but i’m ready to take this blow myself, yes, i’m absolutely talking primarily about girls, that’s all they are trying, but i just think that it is necessary to somehow get into my head. that this is also a big part of continuing a career, that the career did not end only then on the ground, the career continues, you have to go on the ice every time.

there is a certain basis, it is clear that a person may feel differently, this does not mean that it should be there, it happens, it goes, maybe at least the attempts count towards the score, not towards the score, but some kind of story, because in general, if you take away all the lyrics, then you, now i’ll say a terrible word again, you buy a service, the service of a person’s performance, and he is, yes, he can try anything, this is history, but on the other hand, as you write, pair skating or two high supports, in

principle, but i think , that this would be correct and maybe even the rules of the game would be clearer to everyone, i’m generally always for contracts, i for contracts in case of transitions from one coach to another, then this topic was often discussed and now everything has calmed down a little, because there is no loud transition. but this is also a very important story and yours, because i am not a coach, your insecurity in terms of the fact that at some second the person in whom you have invested most of your life, your knowledge, your skill, goes to withdraw dividends with another person , well, this is understandable, everyone has their own destiny, but you must receive compensation for this, including financial and compensation for your time, then you understand that investing in this way or on...

an ice show, don’t you think that this level, what we talked about, is falling, yes, in the execution of elements, the attitude towards programs, it is still suffers due to the fact that now there is a lot of competition among you , including because there are a lot of different tours, a lot of shows, a lot of people who do this, athletes skate absolutely everywhere, in principle there are no exclusive relationships there, well, one won’t take it, another will take it to strain. nothing special to add, you you can’t resist this wave in any way, well , do you agree with this or maybe i’m mistaken, and athletes should not depend on the fact that they are invited or not invited, there is a name, your

name, and you go out, and the price of the name speaks of internal responsibility , responsibility for yourself, for your name, so here, probably, here i probably don’t agree with you that this is dampening, but another thing is that you simultaneously touched on another topic, the fact that everyone rides everywhere, and practically no one show doesn’t have any exclusivity of its own, in my time, of course, i remember the golden age when we were alone, and the first 12 years, in general, we were absolute monopolists in this market, including i had such an agreement with the guys that they would perform only in my projects, and i in turn, i give them a lot of work, in general, we are...

its main headliners, well, when you go to linkom and you understand that there you will see this galaxy of artists, you go to the satire theater, that there will be your own, and more there is such competition between, everyone thinks about how to make your project better, this raises everything, when there is an absolute migration of everyone everywhere, this is probably not good, but this is now a given, there are really a lot of shows, we, in general, are going through all the stages that.. . we were born some 20 years ago in the united states of america, we all know that this was followed by quite a lot of stagnation, and it was almost completely closed, i think, in any case, on

us. there is also a moment when the interest in such a large number of ice projects will, one way or another, drop little by little two or three projects will remain there. well, we continue our conversation with ilya overbukh, it seems to me that there is some kind of your fault here, because if we are talking about the creation... of stars, now you told about everything that this is being done, this is the creation of new stars, with us there were 11 olympic champions in sochi 10 years ago, you had a single show, and where are 11 olympic champions from sochi in your show, well, it’s impossible, always, but you always stuck to the champions of 2006 and still for the most part this your troupe, no do you think that it’s just that someone also needed to earn money, they also wanted to be the same as navka kostamarov, like...

of course, of course, well, but you gave me work, you’re absolutely right, eh, but what a story here , here you are faced with a dilemma, these are the names that you said, these are the people with whom i went there for 10 years, yes, and you understand that we came to a certain story, we won over the audience, we took off as a family, we are together we traveled on the same buses, slept in sleeping bags, we grew up, then you you understand that new champions appear like this:

but it still consists of it has a commercial component, there is a certain amount of money that is paid there, you determine the payment to the artists, here it is conditionally, there is 2 million rubles per show, you i have to pay everyone, you can’t say, well , now i’ll pay three, i can’t get them from anywhere, because they come from the sale of spectator tickets, the spectators objectively, they already have a cohort of 10 champions there. they came, now they don’t come anymore, now the market capacity doesn’t increase, it turns out not where to get the money, that is, you, you want, you want to gather everyone, you want you to have everything, but everyone needs to pay for this performance, so you are faced with a dilemma, or should you say guys, thank you for everything, but now i work for those who sell more, because naturally the audience always wants fresh champions, they want, they love those with pleasure, but

they buy tickets. on those who won just now, and this is the law, and you say, guys, this is how it is with me, or let’s give all the fees there thirdly, we reduce it to you and then, in general, it’s some kind of endless story, so i’m sandwiched, i’m partly between the truth of mine, and somehow, in my backroom, you can say with my old farts, there’s so -called fresh blood, and which brings in general commercial. here everyone will always have their own truth, of course, the guys here too, but objectively, with the number, you said correctly, eleven champions there and in general how everything has grown, with the surge in popularity, which of course occurred largely thanks to the female single skating, when a huge army of fans came - completely different ones, i still wouldn’t have put on one show, two or three would have appeared anyway, here it’s already... in general

, i think that now somehow the market, it regulates itself , we all have a biological age at which you sooner or later stop skating in ice shows, and aren’t you afraid that when your cast, which you love so much, who you, with whom you slept in these common sleeping bags in buses, it’s just that at some point everyone else is new blood, which is also what you’re talking about you say it will remain dismantled. you speak golden words, of course, superstars will all ride with those who once took them with them, ride with them in these sleeping bags, sooner or later everything somehow ends, passes, here the question is already there of honesty, and throwing and so on further, of course, as a business person, i attract, i honestly don’t suffer from the fact that now if we take a recent show in st. petersburg, lyoshka

yagodin and tanya tatmyanin performed there. but misha nagalyamov and mark kondratyuk also performed there, there is no such stories that uh, the same thing is happening in the tour now and, that is, you still found this golden mean from... it was found and moreover, the guys even somehow want to ride another one show there with lyoshka yagodin, in any case, when i burst into the show there, and at that time there were theaters tatyana tarasova, he had already kind of left, then the igor bobrin theater had such programs, well, they seemed like that to us already everything was already kind of moss we 'll go in to all this now, we'll be fresh now, i'll show you what a show it should be. will already be dynamic, bright, there with all his ideas, now i understand that i am already somewhere this flies, probably one of the guys will appear now, with some other approach, who will come up with a different solution, so far nothing who hasn’t

thought of it, while we all work according to the standard, well, plus or minus, the presenter announces the numbers, the numbers are slightly different in one topic to another, everything has already been invented by averbukh according to his tablets, well, yes, well, not averbukh, averbukh too.. . followers of others, of course, that's all. my theatrical movement, these are followers from tatyana tarasova, exactly, and i always say that this is exactly when i saw their performance in luzhniki, when i was very little, including even then they were together with igor bobrin, and this is for me , right then, it was put off for me that i had to come to these performances, so we just all, we all continue everything, we all go after each other to the same, basically russian cities, to the same big skating rinks, places of prayer. they still come there competitions, and how to sell the number of tickets and what do you think, how many people in yaroslavl, vladivostok, perm can withstand this, no, how many times a year

can he come to an ordinary show, i think that basically no more than two, i think that there is a constant rotation, we’re probably a little lucky in terms of handicap, but we’ve been... about ten years or so, starting as you correctly said, somewhere around the fourteenth, from 2006 to the fourteenth year, it even turns out to be eight years, we were monopolists we i this this show we they came once a year, i really rationed it no more than once a year, we come to the same city so as not to overfeed so as not to have the feeling, but during this time we formed a pool of people who, i can’t say that they are fans there, but they are like that it’s already some kind of reflex to come and a tradition.

she loves it so much, she loves your project, here we are taking pictures for mom, you have realized yourself not only as a director of leading shows and programs in figure skating, but also as a director of large public events, and isn’t it petty is figure skating already for you? thank you very much for saying this, because for me this is just a huge part of life, which still passes a little unnoticed, because there is a cliche that you are a figure skater, even now ilya averbuk is a figure skater, what kind of skater is there already? well... this is for me now even more than ice, and ice has become a little bit of a hobby, aside, yes, i love it, i’m grateful, but my main ambitions are connected precisely with these projects that you mentioned , things that are very, very, very emotional, and uh, for

they are very important to me, uh, and even, probably, this is one of the options, so when a huge number of different ice projects appeared, i searched, began to look for my exclusivity... in such stories, because this is also such a drug, when you have more than a thousand people, well, they are not subordinate to you, well, in general, they depend, you decide on yours, you are a karabas-barabas, he also likes to manage, i like the volume, i really like the volume, volumetric large events, this the experience you get off the ice with huge crowd productions events helps you win year after year in the russian challenge, because for example...

maybe this was the first time for me, of course, i would have agreed, but when i was already a friend of roma kostomarov, lesha tikhonov, many other guys, i already understood that with the eyes they were looking at me during this viewing, i realized that i couldn’t do that. so, returning to lenikov, this is a huge school, you get your skills in, you guys go through, plus you take so much from the actors who come, they don’t know how to skate, but they they know how to think, they offer. there are a lot of ideas, you pick them up, add something,

see, analyze where you missed, where you overdrew, where you left, of course, it’s always hard there that you repeat yourself, but in any case, a colossal school that you can dream about any director that i got in the ice age project, then, breaking out for it, i felt honest, in these numbers - miniatures, there was a performance called city lights, there were performances where everything began to take shape in such a big story, well, i... you only i wish you some new big performance, because your performances are always special and maybe you have some plans to stage something new and interesting, thank you very much, here i have plans, we are now doing such a really big job, i’m afraid to stare or now we have it everywhere, and of course i want to do a big program, a long stationary one in moscow, but well... this is such a small hall

where people come, and it seems to me that there is such a great demand for this now, i won’t make a program for them, but we're working on this we are heading in the right direction, however, i think that there may be absolutely something that he said about, and rotation, and some play for a week, others play for a week, there will be enough room for everyone little by little, well, we’ll ride, i think, that on this note we will end our conversation, it was really very... interesting, thank you very much for finding time in your busy schedule to come visit us, i am very glad, thank you very much, thank you, this was a free program podcast , my guest was a real figure skating guru and not only, ilya overbukh, here... i was a little lucky, i worked in

latin america as a correspondent, there i communicated quite closely with the freemasons there, i have in my hands here the constitution, the charter, this liturgy, it looks almost like a mandate of the congress , yes, as a mandate of the masonic masonic congress, so then we’ll talk not only about history, but about some specifics, unlike you, i have personal experience of such communication with... with the freemasons , but as a historian and as a teacher i had to face huge the number of myths about the omnipotence of the freemasons, from all power, that they organize wars and revolutions, this conspiracy theory, of course , also needs to be dealt with, of course, hello, this is a historical podcast russia-west on the swing of history, with you pyotr romanov and sergey solovyov , today we will deal with the freemasons, we probably need to start first of all with the fact that, of course, freemasonry has left... a huge mark on world history, because well, judge for yourself, the founding fathers

of the usa, almost all are freemasons. churchill - freemason italy there, garibaldi was a freemason. in latin america, there are generally all the great people there, practically freemasons, all the fighters for the independence of latin america, starting with balivar, they are all freemasons. so, of course, their role is certainly very large. but we, of course, will talk first of all about russia, about what they did in russia, how they were treated, including talk about modern freemasonry. the situation with the freemasons is very interesting, this society is somewhat secret, how much semi-secret, a lot has been written on the topic of freemasonry, it is quite important that it’s just that this writing is rather poorly known to the general public. masonic orders were created as a kind of alternative to the catholic religion, monastic orders, they set themselves the goal of charity, moral self-improvement on the basis of faith, by the way, obligatory faith in

a higher being, they traced their backstory directly to the creator, who was called the first freemason, and from adam, it was important for them to maintain fraternal unity and friendship in their midst, although this did not at all interfere with the freemasons in different political situations send each other to prison or to hell, freemasonry is rather, during most of its history, it is rather such clubs, mainly for representatives of the nobility, although there were some.

sweden, from england, that’s why there were differences between these lodges already in that period, there was some kind of common basis, but in general, of course, there were differences and sometimes differences. very significant, and an interesting point, in principle, the freemasons, you mentioned tamam, some western masuns like to remember that they were almost not there from adam, or at least from solomon, the builders of solomon, the first free mason, the first free mason, the temple of solomon,

it’s interesting that the russians could also, i don’t know, choose for themselves a point of reference, i don’t know how... the owners these hallways, that is, they were, in general, quite modest people, or at least tried to be these modest people, while it must be said that mostly russian freemasons, when they were already russians proper, these were people of far from simple rank , these were nobles, these were nobles,

of course, who could have absorbed this foreign fashion, if we talk about history, then the first lodge reliably existing in russia was 1731. created by the englishman john philips, in fact, as per the instructions of his masters from england, and as you absolutely correctly said, in the beginning it first of all , foreigners, only then russians begin to be added there and a certain fashion for freemasonry appears, which of course already increased during the time of catherine, well, you understand what the matter is, during the time of catherine or at the first stage of the reign of alexander i we can say that this was the heyday and decline of freemasonry. but freemasonry, having already arrived from abroad in russia, began to develop very rapidly, and in 1787 the german press contained information that there were 145 lies in russia at that time, of course,

since russian freemasons had close ties abroad , our scientists, they confirm at that time the existence of thirty lodges, but... “he doesn’t know well, the freemasons did not advertise themselves, so anything can happen, here it must be said that during the period of this certain fashion for freemasonry, on the one hand, they, of course, did not advertise themselves, but on the other hand, so to speak, being a freemason meant being involved in the circle of senior officials of the state, yes, where you can address an official in a brotherly way, even in private, yes, to a nobleman much higher in rank than you, such a feeling of brotherhood with'.