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oh, grandson, why are we standing, come into the house, oh, well, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on in quickly, wow, come on, thank you very much. well, okay? our places are beautiful, and of course, the bridge too, and the bridge.
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that summer i never managed to find the gem when i arrived on... during the winter holidays, my grandfather was seriously ill, i found that place and returned the necklace to the lord of life. hold on, grandfather, since then the misfortunes in our family have truly stopped. i fell in love with this harsh land, every year i went to rebinovka with...
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first with my mother, then with my wife and children, and i recently decided to settle here permanently. on air, a special analytical edition of the big game, we will now talk with konstantin kosachev, deputy chairman of the federation council and a person who knows international relations very well. konstantin in the past headed the commissions of both the duma and the federation council on international affairs.
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and i didn’t hear any interest there in a serious agreement with moscow, i didn’t even hear a hint of it, maybe there was one, maybe i listened to it, you’re saying something we saw there that should arouse our real interest in terms of new opportunities, i think that hints were heard from the outside.
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75 years have confirmed that the alliance has stood the test of time, but it has not passed the test of... becoming truly a leader in world politics, political, economic, military, whatever else, from my point of view, its very existence and activity north atlantic alliance, this is actually the main problem of international relations now, it is a structure that does not solve any problems, but which generates these problems additionally, but if you dream and imagine that there would be a north atlantic alliance
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and that if it didn’t work out here, well , it’s okay, so to speak, they threw up their hands, ran on, it will definitely work out next time, this is impunity, a feeling of one’s own immunity and infallibility, from my point of view, is the main component in the activities of the alliance,
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reflected in those debates in washington that you just remembered. biden constantly boasts that he managed to unite collective west against russia. it should be obvious to the analyst that in recent years, especially during the biden administration, this alliance has created a serious, real threat to the collective west, created, it seems to me, with their own hands and
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without any need, because russia has no desire, according to - in my opinion, go into confrontation with...
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and then they were afraid that the americans might leave europe? of course, yes, second, don’t let russia into europe, and third, restrain germany, which has just begun to be reborn against the war. in english, this formula sounds somewhat shorter and more elegant, but that’s the point, the point. that is, it was such a european idea, now everything is exactly the opposite, we understand that there is little left of europe in nato, of course. solid american interests, american leadership, american dominance, but the second feature of the alliance was that it was really conceived as defensive, at that time europe, and to some extent the united states, america, although to a lesser extent they were really afraid
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the soviet union, the red one, the threat of exporting revolution, so to speak, which the soviet union has been doing since ancient times. revolution of the great october socialist, then the warsaw pact appeared, which seemed to become a real military counterbalance to the alliance, and even more so the topic arose: protection from this external threat, after 75 years we can clearly state that the north atlantic alliance has never been against anyone defended itself, there was not a single situation where someone would attack a nato country and nato would have to use the fifth article of the washington treaty or some other mechanisms in order to protect itself, and it would be good if the alliance stopped there, if it remained defensive, if it... proudly continued to say: look, we are united, that’s why no one is attacking us, that’s great, god bless you. another
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question is that it’s unlikely that anyone was going to attack the alliance, the north atlantic, definitely not the soviet union at all, and definitely not modern russia, the problem is different: the problem is that in the conditions lack of real threats, the alliance began to look for some other use for itself, and a global theme arose.
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states to go beyond the limits of their competence, beyond their geographical boundaries, beyond the limits of their responsibility. we understand that now nato and the european union are really very serious factors in international politics, but all international law is about the responsibility of national states, it is about the responsibility of individuals, well, let’s say, state leaders, other politicians, we know all this , and about there is not a word about the responsibility of alliances in international law, and relatively speaking, to file in...
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the same offensive already on the front of the european union, which took place through nato, these two structures, taking advantage of the fact that they are exactly the same as me before that i was talking about the americans, they are not subject to jurisdiction, they are not subject to any regulation from the point of view of international law, and they are obviously stronger than the surrounding world, simply because they are better organized, they are a minority, but they are better organized, and the rest of the world, unfortunately, the same thing world majority. i am very glad that this phenomenon is gradually taking shape, but this story is still very
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fragmented, the alliance has been assembled - it is a fist, really, or many fists, in this sense, it, of course, poses a colossal threat to the entire surrounding world, i will repeat this again once, but it seems to me that , among other things, these are people who have lost the habit of thinking logically, a simple example, they say: that they definitely want ukraine in nato, on the other hand, they want peace in ukraine, but how can they expect, that russia will agree to some kind of territorial solution to the ukrainian problem if the next step is the immediate inclusion of ukraine in nato, well, you know, they must understand who they are?
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when they enter this structure, they lose not just their sovereignty, but their ability to think, as you just outlined, they lose the ability to reason.
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any real analysis of what is happening, say, in ukraine, of what happened before, well, around the crimean spring, let’s assume that it took place before that coup d'etat in ukraine, they really did not do the right, correct in-depth analysis, they convinced themselves from the very beginning that the maidan was
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a victory of democracy over authoritarianism, although in fact it was a victory of one individual. crimea into russia, understand that changing the status of crimea's entry is not occupation on the part of russia, this is not what it is until now, they could not actually vote at gunpoint, so to speak, and not trample this blessed land under the boot of a russian soldier, this is real change of status territory at the expense of will.
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and so on, here we are now, we, i don’t mean russia, absolutely, but let’s say this, the international community is held hostage by this inertia of thinking, the colossal inertia of thinking that has accumulated in the west, which has accumulated in nato , which has accumulated in the european union, and which does not allow them, this is how a horse has blinkers, they set the horse to move only in one direction, and approximately the same blinkers are now exactly hanging.
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sense of self-preservation, no matter how terrible it is sounded, they are absolutely not going to work on their mistakes and are going to admit that something was wrong in their own decisions, in their own actions 5, 10 or 20 years ago, so the current generation of western politicians, from my point of view , is hopeless in the context prospects for reaching some kind of agreement with them, which is why we have to demonstrate our strength in full force, we have to remind the west that it is not alone in this world, that there are other countries, other peoples, other cultures, other civilization, and that sooner or later the west will have to realize this, but this will have to be realized by the future generation of politicians in the west, who will not bear direct responsibility for what was created and destroyed, literally destroyed over the last couple
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of decades, the west will elect trump and if he is allowed to come to power. with this basic question: what is the main difference between russia and the united states, or , let’s say, the foreign policy of russia and the united states, if you don’t take the geographical location, there is territory, geography.
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if this doesn’t work out, and the americans, unfortunately now or fortunately, no matter how you look at it, it absolutely doesn’t work out, so if it doesn’t work out, you just need to agree one day that no matter how painful it may be
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for the americans, that they are no more than one of 10094 peoples, i take 193, excuse me, peoples, i take the number of countries members of the united nations organization that live in this world and who have to negotiate with everyone else. you know, i see a big difference between biden and trump. i also see i i also see serious similarities. the similarity is in the sense that, as you rightly said, a belief in american specialness. both biden and trump talk about this, to a great extent. and they, they, no matter who wins, will strive for it. i see great faith in the effectiveness of forceful solutions.
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trump, he is a former businessman, and he thinks like a businessman, here, you are standing in the way of his company, he is not very interested in how it is from the point of view of international law, abstract justice, you are standing in the way of his company and he wants, first, you move, and secondly, when he moved you. somehow agree that if he cannot destroy you, and he understands that it is impossible to destroy a nuclear power, then you need to somehow develop a new mode in
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vivendi, so as not to get too hung up on this problem and do other things. biden is different, biden is insulted by the very fact, the presence of other independent forces. especially when they do not want to follow the american model, and especially when they have some political systems that are different from the american model. trump actually doesn't i’m interested in what kind of political system is in any other country, especially if their system is not messianic, and does not prevent america from doing what it wants. biden is a different person.
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differs from all, i think, established american politicians, from the american establishment, although he has more and more followers, uh, the newly minted candidate for vice president, jady vance, i’ll cover him some more, probably , if when he grows up to be a real president, i have no doubts about that, and of course, trump is much less ideological than biden, there is no doubt about that.
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they say, he is a businessman, you are absolutely right, and there will be signals, there will be some completely new initiatives, but it is not a fact that they will be acceptable for our country, so to speak, especially in terms of tearing russia away from china, of course, of course , for trump, china is a much bigger problem, and he will try to solve this problem by separating russia from china, i have not the slightest doubt that this awaits him failure, so if...
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“i don’t need a habzon, but she broke me, she simply broke me, she is a great woman, a wonderful, fantastic director, and i am grateful to fate that i had the honor.”
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to mark the centenary of tatyana lioznova, the premiere is on saturday on the first. and now we continue our conversation with konstantin...
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people from his advisers want to write his memoranda, then he will not look at anything that would be more than two pages, better than one, to meet. he recruited people, on the one hand he made a statement that if someone was in the previous administrations, all these are not conservatives, for me this is not an advantage when selecting my employees, on the contrary, these
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are aggravating circumstances, but he gave instructions, in the end, to select a team to the very establishment that he exposed, and he got what ... what could be imagined, he got either complete opportunists who, for good positions for the opportunity to then become great consultants for tens of millions, write books, they were ready to serve even the devil, well, he’s still like that got people like feona and hill, remember, of course, who became his main assistant in europe, in russia. who , even when she was just being hired, and her friends told her, as they told me, but what a terrible person you are going to from such a wonderful liberal foundation,
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the brokerage foundation, where she worked then, she explained to them, and this does not contradict her memoirs that, in general, she hoped to change trump, and if she couldn’t change, then some things that he wanted...
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he will be let down very badly, because in such a position, especially for the second time, demonstrating the same unpreparedness for a serious understanding of what is happening and the lack of a team would simply not be allowed for the us president, but he will lose quite easily on this, he will lose supporters, you know , what disappoints me now in this presidential campaign, maybe i’m not too deeply immersed in it, but... it’s quite sparse in content, that is, there’s no competition of ideas, so whenever there’s only one, and in my opinion that’s you one hundred percent right, when one candidate would say here we are coming here, the second would say no, we are coming here, here we are in russia, so to speak, catching some nuances on ukraine, we
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catch some nuances on the relationship of the united states with its nato allies , some nuances about taiwan, something else, but by and large this company has no content, so what is it? the american political system, as it was taught to us in school, is a chain of stages at which the elimination of already excellent candidates occurs, then ultimately two of the best of the best meet each other, and who were chosen by the parties, the nation already chooses from the two best the best, who is meaningfully ready, who is politically , willfully, charismatically, whatever, is the leader of the nation. what we are seeing now from my point of view, america is doing, with all due respect to the candidates, choosing the best of the two worst, that’s how it chooses the best of the two worst, and it’s not a fact that the one who is ultimately chosen will turn out to be the best, maybe he it will stay that way
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the worst of the two worst, and the fact that they are now so antagonized, that now america is split in half, that in fact... no one talks about how good or bad president biden is anymore, everyone is only watching his state of health, ultimately the vote will be for trump and against trump, it will not be for. the most powerful country in the world, and this deeply disappoints me from the
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point of view of understanding the degradation that the american political system has experienced. i came to america in '73, and the first presidential election that i witnessed was the election in 1976, almost universally. i've heard from people what a terrible choice it is between two outright mediocrities.
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when they made the decision, their policy
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to ensure the victory of ukraine failed, but the conclusion that they drew from this is not that we need to try to come to an agreement, but that we need to try to put pressure on russia, yes, strengthen, deepen, and so on, here we have such a situation that russian troops are successfully advancing in ukraine with very large numbers.
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is not insanely worried that we are killing ukrainians until the strikes are made on them
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themselves, it is difficult for them to understand that this has a direct bearing on them, and we tried to explain to them about the danger of a world war, trump talks about this, but they convinced themselves that they there is no need to be afraid of this, because russia cannot, will not dare, that’s what we should do now with this situation, contact, but there is a second factor no less important, this is competition between economies. let's remember how it all began 2 and a half years ago, with the absolute confidence of nato members that they they will tear our economy apart as soon as they introduce even the first, maybe the second package of sanctions, now there are 14 or 15 of them, i
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don’t remember how many, and we see what is happening to the russian economy, in parallel we see how simply destroyed ...
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it’s really true, on our side, we protect people, they protect territories, we protect people, and do everything in our power so that our economy, despite this colossal pressure, becomes stronger and stronger, and theirs more and more problems arose, including de-dollarization of global financial transactions. if trump wins, he will very quickly see the real dangers that emanate from... the american economic system, precisely in this part, what happens on the front line, where it now passes, is not so important for any american leader , because they don’t really care about ukraine from my point of view, in any case, what ’s happening to them is very important to them, so from my point of view, now on
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august 1, ukraine will actually default, they have already passed a law stating that they free themselves, so to speak, from... the need to pay the first 20 billion that they acquired in the form of loans over the last 2 and a half years, these 20 billion dollars that the american and european countries will not receive creditors, very strongly from my point of view, will begin to spread pessimistic sentiments there, so to speak, reduce this victorious euphoria in the west and influence the minds of politicians, so i have no other answer to your question, except for the only one from my point of view there is no doubt about the view of the possible. that we are right, do not doubt our strength to continue what we started in february of twenty-two. i am with you, konstantin, in everything you said, but i would still add a little bit to this, more of a demonstration to the collective west that the
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game they are playing can cost their loved ones very dearly. and that’s what we do, in fact, that’s what we do. i hope that we won’t have to prove in practice, so to speak, especially with the use of nuclear weapons, the seriousness of our intentions, but from my point of view, the fact that we are ready at a certain moment, under certain circumstances, to use the capabilities we have in relation to those who support ukraine in the war against russia, i think that our westerners are beginning to doubt this there are fewer and fewer opponents. tried to make them have even fewer of them, i agree with you, there was such a person here who i already mentioned, richard nixon, in general, inside america, as you know, he lost, he was due to resign, but in the field of foreign policy, he was a maestro, and
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his favorite expression was: you have to do something really big, never do it halfway, we didn’t get any results, and it seems to me that this wise advice should also be remembered, and already as his put into practice, this , of course, needs to be decided in moscow. according to russian ideas, russian priorities and russian capabilities. a wonderful quote from nixon, i am sure that
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we understand this without rummaging through quote reference books, although i repeat once again, great, great said, and what we will neither i, nor i am sure, no one in russia doubts to act without stopping halfway, which means, sooner or later, no one in the world will doubt it either. and i have no doubt either, but in order for our lack of doubt to be realized, sometimes it is useful to remind about this, i agree, but let’s go to advertising, let me introduce myself, so, so, look at me, you are shirvent, shirvent is such a profession. you will learn all the behind-the-scenes secrets of one of the most popular and beloved theaters in our country, everything! vera, walk
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game is on air. an important event in international life was the session of the un security council, where foreign minister sergei lavrov spoke. with us now on skype is mikhail akinchenko, a correspondent for channel one of the united states, who was present at the council session. safety, mikhail, thank you very much for taking the time, i wanted, thank you for inviting me, i wanted to ask you, first of all, what was the atmosphere like during this visit, uh, the last time i came minister, there were attempts to isolate him, and to somehow make all this unpleasant, that’s what happened on... this since, you know, this time there were no attempts to isolate, if we talk about attempts to isolate, sergei lavrov,
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but, however, as his previous trips showed, this is generally useless, so sergei lavrov communicated quite a lot, held meetings, held two meetings of the security council, a press conference, several bilateral meetings, and he quite highly assessed the results of his trip to new york, saying that yes he... yesterday at a press conference he said that yes, of course, we will agree on many questions, of course, failed, but noted as a positive fact that many participants in the meetings heard russian formulations, at least agreed with some of them and even repeated and broadcast them, and this , according to sergei lavrov, is actually quite a big step forward, his after all , the main speech was at a meeting of the security council dedicated to... reforming peace, yes, reforming global institutions of power, multilateral cooperation in the modern world, and he
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talked about the need to strengthen the role of countries of africa, latin america, asia in management in modern global governance, of course, the us representatives did not like this very much, many, the us representative, linda thomas griffin , stated that she hears the same insinuations from russia. in new york, and that, unlike the previous trip, they deliberately decided not to escalate the situation, because it would only
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irritate other countries. we are ready for negotiations, but given the sad experience of conversations and consultations with the west with the ukrainians, the agreement that i i hope that at some stage european security will be achieved, in this context the ukrainian crisis will be resolved, we will of course
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look very carefully at the wording and will put it into this document. guards against repeated, unscrupulous, incompatible interpretations, which this story is full of, which i tried to briefly tell. well, actually, mikhail, this is such a very cool statement, what was the reaction to it? if you mean the reaction of american society, then of course it’s too difficult to talk about it, because...
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then to continue to behave in this way, refusing dialogue, refusing conversation, refusing to simply even listen to the opinion of the opposite side, well, this is a dead end that will lead nowhere, and yes, we can probably say that america is not she is ready, but understands the need to restore normal relations with russia. mikhail, i would be very careful here and not try to overestimate this.
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for this permission to be given, for some reason i think that they managed to persuade bylensky, but at the same time, but at the same time, the tone has changed a little, and one possibility that immediately comes to mind is, of course , donald trump, and more precisely, that both donald trump and his candidate vice-presidents,
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when you were at the un, did you have the feeling, now i’m not talking about new york, but i’m talking about the security council about the delegates on the sidelines, in the popular press. did you have a sense that - there was concern that trump might seriously change american foreign policy? dmitry is probably like this i didn’t have a feeling, because - at the un site they are now acting more in the paradigm that the white house administration is promoting after all, there is certainly little time left, 3 months before the elections, a little more than 3 months before the elections, and - “of course, that’s all understand, they expect some changes with the advent of the trump administration, but you know, i would like to recall sergei lavrov’s press conference yesterday, at which he said: “yes, there is an expectation,”
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he answered this question, there is an expectation that the relationship may improve, but so will he time reminded that in fact, the largest number of sanctions against russia were introduced precisely under trump, and in fact, the supply of weapons from the same notorious javelins here... will put an end to the war, no one understands how he will do this, but it will change whether it’s politics, it’s difficult to say today from the white house, because this is such a locomotive, you know, that has gained momentum, stopping it, of course, will not be very easy, especially considering the decision made at the nato summit last week on joint financing of ukraine, about annual minimum allocation of 40 billion euros to ukraine,
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we worked with president trump, we had contacts, he met with president putin, he received me at the white house a couple of times, regardless of what his mood was, it was during the trump presidency that the the sanctions war, obama really started it, in fairness, let’s say, but under trump there were more sanctions.
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it is not surprising that the putin regime supports trump and vance. trump has given russia permission to do whatever it wants to our nato allies. will come to mind. he gave the go-ahead to putin's expansion into europe and sent a signal to all other dictators that under the trump-vance administration, the united states is not going to protect its allies and uphold american values ​​in the world. i thought this was a very interesting statement from my point of view, because it lists.
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the white house administration does not provide any evidence, but they present evidence, use as evidence the statements of donald trump himself, who more than once... called putin, sidzenpin, and smart people, and people who work at the highest level of professionalism, now the white house administration, not only now,
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it has been trying for quite a long time, the last few months, to point out trump’s connections with russia, to show that trump is ready to work with universal evil, well this is exactly how our country, the usa, is represented here, but this is not news. we remember that in the previous elections in 2020, trump was also accused of having ties with russia, all these accusations turned out to be not only unsubstantiated, but turned out to be...
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or is it from the category of dream dreams? dmitry, you know, these rather militant statements from the republican side, you need to pay attention, are made more by media, rather than political figures, and as a rule, these are people speaking on the fox tv channel, the fox tv channel takes a rather tough pro-israeli position, he says about the need to protect israel, that's what concerns trump, his future is possible.
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administration, then they, of course, take a more balanced position, refrain from making any final decisions, statements, therefore, what will happen next is, of course, difficult to say now, because well, all the criticism, to hell, you know, the republicans seem to be opposing the democrats in their attempts to flirt with the protest movement in support of palestine. oppose the democrats in their desire to get the votes of voters who are in favor of protecting the palestinians, this is more likely a political game than political insinuations, rather than some kind of hypocrisy, perhaps even, than some real steps, real actions, real intentions, i would say so said. mikhail, thank you very much, thank you for your time thank you for your expertise, we hope to see you on our air again soon. thank you, thank you very much, it
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was a great game, see you next week, good husband. no evil will befall us, our soul is immortal, after death there will be a reward for the good, and punishment for the evil. these words are inscribed on the scroll that the hero of our today’s conversation is holding in the hands of the fresco. the fresco is located in the annunciation cathedral of the kremlin, and the hero's name is socrates. hello, dear friends, alexey pavlovich kozyrev, dean of the faculty of philosophy of moscow university, igorevich. surikov, chief
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researcher at the institute of general history of the russian academy of sciences, dear friends, i’m vladimir legoidov, let’s talk about socrates. igor evgenievich, let’s start with how, in fact, this fresco, you wrote a lot about it, how it appeared in the annunciation cathedral, that’s what i know, that in general all these sayings are like socrates, there and other sages are represented by the so-called external sages, in general, the sayings on him were written quite arbitrarily, and then, that what is called the complex of sayings of socrates, we will find these phrases no more than in any other thinker, well, especially since, as you know, socrates did not write philosophical texts, and they usually say that he did not write anything exactly like that, yes still, some texts have been preserved, but not of a philosophical nature, well , at least it’s very interesting in any case, maybe we’ll come back to this, i know what the first question is, for you personally, even if we ignore purely professional pursuits, to what extent? this
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perhaps socrates, first of all, who is this? alexey pavlovich? a meme, generally speaking, because there is not only socrates, the ancient greek, but there is also the moscow socrates, nikolai fedorov, and the georgian socrates, mirab madashvili, that is, socrates was usually called a person who prefers oral culture to written culture, who remained in culture as a storyteller, as an interlocutor. and not as the author of a multi-volume collection of works, and here, again, if we turn to one ancient russian text, gelyan mikhailovich prokhorov published, yes, about plato and pythagoras.
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