where he always told me that you can handle it yourself, you can do it, you can handle it yourself, no matter what request i came to him with, in general, he got the result, and i only heard one thing, that you can handle it yourself, you're doing great, dad, help here, you're a punchy girl, you can handle it, dad, you can help here, i can't, you can handle it yourself, well, it was always such a moment, and yes, i really managed it myself completely, so it’s natural that i would have resentment towards my dad, because somehow he helped my older sister. dad just loves her more than me, so over time i and why, why why did he , well, then the little girl i thought that he loved her more than you, because she was kind of quiet, modest, all like that, and i was like wow, bite my sister there, beat my sister there. well, maybe yes and yes no,

in general it’s very difficult to be the father of a girl, well , really, because no one teaches how to do it, and many men want boys there , yes, i don’t know, or they think that a girl needs to be raised there i don't know exactly or on the contrary, to pamper, it doesn’t matter, but they don’t know how to show their love, they don’t understand where this measure is.

well, simply, how to say, by the right of force, yes, well , yes, i agree, when you are looking for a strong man in order to feel protected, you automatically find a man capable of causing you, well, maximum pain , including committing some kind of violence and there , i don’t know, cause you any harm, if you believe in darwin’s theory, only women are to blame for such aggression by men, do you agree with this? and then why do you understand yes, because

that women select strong males for their offspring, wanting their children to be strong, they unfortunately selected aggressive males, that’s how i, probably, and there with me in this sense show the result of such evolutionary selection, because a strong one was needed, it’s like, well, when you’re strong, at some point you don’t know what to do with this strength, it breaks out into... all sorts of aggressive behavior, and unfortunately, there are quite a lot of animals in our behavior, well, let’s remove it now such an accusation of women, this it’s not me, it’s darwin, it’s just a question here, what kind of woman do you need to be in order for you to cope with this potential aggression? well, in my opinion, you need to be easy, let’s say, gentle with a man. don’t

contradict him, don’t be rude, don’t be rude, well, that is, everything like that, what did i do when i was 21, yes, what did i provoke all this, i understand that i provoked it, well, so did i again, yes, i repeat, i pumped myself up in this regard too, that well, if before i behaved differently there, now i behave with men differently, yes, i see there feedback from the same colleagues who began to treat me differently, yes i see there, i don’t know, there from the same neighbors yes, who there treated me differently. treats yes like a woman, that is, not like a man who is there, hello, hello, there, as it was before, yes, well, differently, that is, i am different, i have changed, that is, i understand that i will not use the methods that i used before, you know, when you watch this program, look at the fact that you have now your complexion and facial expressions changed a lot, at the moment when you experienced this, well, internal drama, yes, your facial expressions changed a lot, their facial expressions relaxed. i relaxed and

my complexion even changed, that’s why i say, look when you do, thank god, there is a recording, i can directly feel it in my body, and it ’s just relaxed, i’m even sitting straight , a little so relaxed. condition, i will invite you to ask yourself again what will change in your life when a man appears, i will be happy, and this is the only thing that would need to be answered in this moment, yeah, but here it’s also important to postulate that you will be happy, but you yourself are the cause of happiness, and not a man, yes, i understand that, that is, here, too , existence determines consciousness?

you feel this freedom to maneuver, that is, to pack your things to leave, in fact, yes, that ’s what you’re talking about, that you couldn’t expel the hare from the forest, you had to get ready to leave, you’re watching the podcast triggers with you, its host

tatyana krasnovskaya and sergey nasebyan, we are talking with svetlana about what fears a beautiful, successful woman might have before relationship with a man, what does yours do? happy today, today, well, communication with my daughter fills me up, i love sports very much, i have a lot of sports in my life, here i am, well, i have some of my own topics that i love there, you feel good with yourself, i feel good , yes, i feel good with myself, i’m comfortable with myself, i really like solitude, so i used to think that maybe... because i really need this solitude so much, maybe that’s why the man is there , i ’m afraid that he’ll be there, like, stealing this time from me, and i won’t be able to there either seclude yourself, that’s it, but it’s not like that, the man doesn’t approach because it’s dangerous, because he also feels that there is some kind of

tension, there is some kind of danger, i would even say now, there was danger and there was tension , right now i’m insisting on this formulation, you know, i’m... conducting social experiments with people, one of my favorites is like this, you know, i’m on the subway, and i see a girl, for example, standing there, well, she’s 30 years old, it doesn’t matter, 26 , well, depending on age, i ’ve been conducting this experiment for 20 years, here it is standing there looking into this darkness of the subway window , you can see right in your eyes that he wants to get married, there’s no mistaking this. i come up and say: hello, can i meet you? reaction in 100% of cases: no, i’m with a man there, like i don’t meet on the subway, well, something like that, i understand that she stood and dreamed not of a bald little fat armenian, i understand, she dreamed of a handsome viking, who will sail

on a boat, take her to the varangian paradise, and there they will be in white, she, he and the children will all be in white, of course, and their dogs will be white and... as if she were protecting her, understandably, well, and making even some next step untenable, well, on my part, yes, because she refused right away, in this sense, firstly, i think, with regard to dating sites, this is more than the norm, now i even thought about a certain, not just this week, i thought about a certain idea to describe how women behave on dating sites, because women are different.

no different from life, what difference does it make, for example, some women say, yes, there are only perverts there, but i know a woman, who got married there, thanks to this, and more than one, that’s what i’m saying, look at your photos, maybe on a dating site, because i understand that you can have good photos, but you just look at the photographs that you want to look at, and in order for you to start a slightly different message, this new, let’s say, message to make peace, well, it seems to me that here we need to remember that a certain degree of anxiety in relationships is very important, because relationships are always about vulnerability, never about... another, after the last conflict with tatyana, i came up with this version

of the relationship for myself, and we are people, we even have scripts written about a husband and wife of psychologists who argue all the time, this is a comedy, i came up with it for myself such a theory that relationships in general are like being in a laughing room with distorting mirrors, just some kind of mirror... paints you, well, makes a structure, yes, some kind makes you, on the contrary , small, fat, ugly, what something bends you somehow, something adds ears, and so on, essentially, being in a relationship with one person, you are in this room, because, as if depending on the mood of your partner, he reflects to you very different components of you, yes, that is, your inner basis, and not every one of them makes you want to look, well, something is exaggerated. or how i once complained to my psychologist about tatyana, saying

that she was bringing me to such a state that i was ready to kill her, well, suppose, yes, i say, this is impossible, to which she said a phenomenal phrase, after which i finished session, said thank you, i went, she said this, do i understand correctly that your wife will be a beast that you do not want to recognize. vulnerability as a skill that is necessary in relationships, i agree, well wait, there’s

a balance, there’s also highlighting those sides that, on the contrary, we would like to see in ourselves, our partners highlight this to us, i think you’re just a romantic, no , you’re just so artificial, apparently you highlight my good sides, and i highlight yours for myself, beauty is in the eyes look at everything, no, it’s clear that... we would all like something good for there, you know, for me, too, just yesterday it happened that i was talking with a friend there and were sitting, talking, i suddenly remembered, so interesting, but if you look back briefly, then for some reason you always remember such flashpoints of events, for example, when the family was there, well , i now have a parental family, but the family was in not the easiest conditions, for example. .. there the eight of us lived there, i don’t know , 30 km away, yes, you remember these events

good, because this is childhood, because you are having fun, there are a lot of people, but you don’t think about how much bed linen is needed there, something else, but it’s like there aren’t any you know the place and there in some we - in a beautiful hotel or house or apartment, all this is also pleasant, but it’s like it’s in another box in such a big one, and such important elements are connected with some, well, not very simple circumstances. but the fact that you went through them makes you very whole, that’s why i say that it’s kind of cool here when there is positivity in a relationship when romance and all that candy bouquet. yes, but it passes, and for some reason only the negative remains, so the negative also passes, but it’s just that our experience of living these negative things is usually associated with another person, like that’s who he is, there’s something wrong with him, or it’s even worse to blame myself for the fact that there’s something wrong with me, because that’s why he’s like this, and i suggest a sober, absolutely mature, just look into this crooked mirror, well,

distancing, but remember, if you approach the mirror at different distances, it shows different reflections, i mean a distorted mirror. you play with this too, this is very cool, now i want to build relationships, this was the most important thing that i sought, this was the most important thing that i sought, i generally believe that healthy people do not need relationships, but in fact i of course i’m joking now, look what happened, we have removed the tension from the neurotic desire to build relationships, this does not mean that you do not want to build relationships, it means that you are now more interesting to yourself than the other, from this condition. are built completely differently, i really hope that this will be the case, sergei’s favorite idea is that you need to be together when there is no reason to be together, yes, i believe that only this determines the health of the relationship, when there is no reason to be together, and you stay, super, super, straight away, i wish you good luck, thank you very much for touching on this topic that is important

for us, you and our viewers, thank you, oh. i’ll leave with some ease, it’s just so easy for me, i feel good, i’m really glad that i was here, i’m just sitting here and i don’t even want to leave anywhere anymore, don’t leave, let’s talk again, if i came here there’s a little tension, i think, but just like you understand that i don’t even want to leave, i feel so good with you, i feel so good to be there in a male field, i just feel - some kind of, well , my state is so good, and just like that, it’s like it’s pulling me, and it’s masculine. field, and this makes me very happy, and i am very grateful to you, it’s great, what will you do, what will i do, well, i will continue to meet men on a dating site, i will meet them, i will look at them, i will interact somehow, remember the distance, remember the distance, exactly, great, yes, how to make sure that this distance does not become uh, such

a zone that is dangerous, like... how to remove it from this distance, only i said, you just need to play with the reflection, well, come closer, move away, healthy boundaries, they consist in the fact that they can always be moved, you just can always move them in both sides, this is the health of the mental border, yeah, that is, how it works, you come to the border and check me now, now i feel good, i can take a step forward, you take it forward, it’s alarming, but it’s still good, you can never stop like this, yes, don’t betray yourself... in everything, that’s what’s most important, well, i really hope that now my relationship will be built, that’s what and what can happen, i’ll invite you to a wedding, i’d really like that, to see you myself at the wedding of such guests, and i’m really very pleased it was very comfortable to communicate with you, and i

’m happy, incredibly happy that i was here and was able to reveal that here i am... i’m real, i’m in therapy, i have many hours of personal therapy, well, about 50 hours, that is, i picked myself as much as i could, and somehow nothing helped me, but for now, well, i understand that this fear was sitting there, yes, that this is a danger, and that now, well, i believe that it will be... everything to others, well, it’s about trusting yourself, that you can handle any situation, yes, yes, i can handle any situation. what condition is this about? you ’ve changed a lot now, isn’t it true, sergey, he’s not just saying that, you’ve really changed a lot, what kind of state is this? well, a state of lightness, joy, yes, i just feel that it’s as if, conventionally, i am joy, but this is some kind of state, it has now come to me, and it would be great

to remember to return to it when it is clear that everything will not only be in white and rainbow colors. but in moments of some anxiety, in moments of difficulty, you will remember that you you can always go back to this, here, here, here is your way out, now you always have the handle of this door, which you can always go out through, it will be with you all the time, i understand, it’s great, but i have now there is also a recording, there will be a recording, i will be able to review it, it’s very interesting, i just never watch what i record, where i am recorded, i don’t like to do it, i don’t like myself, probably, well, that ’s not the question i’m not a viking, i don’t have a problem with this, yes, and you should definitely take a look, it’s interesting with your experience there trainings, therapies, i really want you to see it, sometimes directly, but rarely. when this happened on the recording, since it was like that, i was lucky, yes we were lucky, everyone was lucky, and the audience too, well, it was the triggers podcast, and with

you were its hosts, tatyana krasnovskaya, psychologist psychotherapist, psychologist psychotherapist sergei nasebyan, we talked with svetlana and somehow very deeply, it seems to me, we talked, and it turned out to be very useful for me, too, because it summed up some of my internal results, thank you very much, i really... you thank you for such a frank conversation, and i thank you very much, if you want to become a guest of our podcast, you can fill out an application on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru, you can watch all episodes of the triggers podcast on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru. hello, my name is still dmitry bak, we, as always, have the next episode of a literary podcast right now,

which, as you, of course, remember, is called, let them not talk, let them read, today we will talk about the author who was extremely popular in the early years after the revolution, or one might say, in the first two decades. then it was semi-banned or completely banned in soviet times, also for several decades, then again it was very popular, this is isaac immanuilovich babel, as you of course already guessed, and we are talking about babel with a senior researcher at the department of modern russian literature and literature of russian abroad , institute of world literature of the russian academy of sciences elena iosifovna pogorelskaya. hello, elena iosifovna, hello! dmitry petrovich, i’m very glad to see you, you can’t talk about babel in a detached way, well , in my opinion, you can’t just talk about literary things, as you think, yes, because babel, well, seems to require its

entire reader. let's think, let's start with this: in the ninety-fourth year there was babel's centenary, yes, well, in the eighty-ninth year, we celebrated the anniversary at andrevna akhmatova, and in the ninetieth year of pasternak, in the ninety- first... mandelstam, well, that is, friend for centuries of writers who had such a difficult fate as it was it’s customary to say, if we compare two anniversaries, now it’s 130 years, well, it’s also an anniversary, we’ll count it this way, if we compare these two dates, then what has changed in popularity, in reputation, i’m talking about literary reputation, of course, in the degree of study, but this one...

not just as it was celebrated, but celebrated for 120 years, but i will say that during this time, during these 10 years, it managed to come out, yes, now,

in general, now, of course, babel is published quite often, often in these days in good circulations, and even in 2006 a four-ton collected work was published, but i now i’m talking about mass publications, several three-volume collections already. we are with you, we continue to introduce you to authoritative series, these are memorials, a book prepared by elena pogorelskaya, we also published the first, scientific one...

they published decades before that, there were like two editions, yes, the end of the fifties, the mid- sixties that's all, now none or, well , not such a decline, well, routinization, or something, well, another great writer is everything, and not someone who needs to be immediately read, obtained, bought, i think that here’s to babel, this one, as it were ratinization, as you said, does not apply, just as it does not apply to, say, andrei plato. naturally, i don’t know, but they told me that when the first posthumous collection was published in 1957, that it was generally a colossal event, indeed, then only in sixty, but they came out, well , these were the collections that came out during that time, well , the first one is possible

it seems to me that such a collection of works is small in two volumes in the year ninety. that babel is such a great writer, like andrei platonov, that you understand, so, how to say, here this charm, the charm of their skill, their style, it seems to hold the reader captive, another matter, another thing, can i finish that i am now talking only about the reading audience, yes, you can love babel and not love babel, you can loving platonov and not loving platonov is a different matter, but...

to what extent did his extra-literary biography correlate with the literary one, because he studied at commercial educational institutions three times, yes, first at the nikolaev commercial institute. school school, school, of course, yes, named after sergei vittaya, and then in odessa, yes, nicholas i then in the kiev commercial institute, where he finds himself in the midst of all sorts of events, the murder of stalypin, akhmatov there at that time in kiev, i mean, yes, well, like the belis case , the affairs of belis, of course, at the same time, well, a little later, and...

first from childhood, by the way, he studied at the law faculty of the psychoneurological institute in petrograd, but did not graduate, and... babel he, well, i don’t know, maybe his family prepared him for this, yes, no, family, family, of course, didn’t prepare him, the family did not prepare for this, but you see, he really read a lot, as for the odessa commercial school, it gave a very good general education, it was at the odessa commercial school that babel taught, he spoke excellent french, and he translated mapasan. he spoke several times at rallies in french in paris, and it was there that he became familiar with the french classics, which had a considerable influence on his prose,

that is, this is not a contradiction, but this is simply a different kind of higher education, yes, which is still higher and secondary, yes, if we say, secondary higher, well, pushkin also studied, because the lyceum is a civil service academy, in person.

in the new world a story was supposed to come out in

the basement, he wrote to his mother that, after a long break, i published it again, in the next one in the same series, right? there will be a story, which i will later unite under the general title of the story of my dovecote, they are all about childhood, but of course a lot of it was made up, as he himself said yes, in my opinion in the basement, yes, that he strengthened the beginning, there the ends, well, it was not for nothing that he made accents, some kind of composition, i also have the impression, i don’t know how it really was, well, we we continue to talk about isaac immanuilovich babel, and we are having this conversation with elena iosifovna pogorelskaya, who is now working on preparing the collected works of babel in five volumes at the institute of world literature. i'll ask you

this - a classic question for the old days. well, there is a well-known phrase in babbel about that gorky sent me to the people, well, this is like an allusion to the ending of the story. kurkov’s childhood, when grandfather koshirin says to his grandson: you ’re not a medal around my neck, go join the people, yes, then gorky’s other two stories begin, and... and babel changes a lot of occupations, in this time, i’ll ask you, this is what, but how he accepts revolutions, he doesn’t accept them, well, this is how he treats the soviet era, but of course we don’t live in a time when, on this basis, people were assigned to the right or left, ours or not ours , well it i’m curious how he feels about this time, which mixed everything up, all classes, led astray, yes, created it completely, remember, mandelstam says that... people knocked out of their biography, like balls from billiard pockets,

this phrase just really resonates with me i once remembered how babel did with the revolution and with everything that happened in russia, then in the soviet union, you know, a huge distance later in the soviet union, i would probably have sinned against the truth if i had said that yes, babel accepted the revolution, completely, like maikovsky, yes, mine revolution, and i would be sinning against the truth if i said that babel did not accept the revolution, but i want to illustrate this, if possible, with an example of the early beginning, babel has essays in the newspaper novaya zhizn, gorky’s newspaper novaya zhizn, that is, the very famous, where there are untimely thoughts, where untimely thoughts, that means essays from the eighteenth year, there is such an evacuated character who... it begins that there was a plant, there

was a lie in the plant, but in unjust times there was steel, there and so on and so on, came true, it was arranged poorly, the steel died, people began to be counted on, so four families were evacuated from the baltic plant, the carriage was put on hold, it was poorly strengthened or not strengthened at all and... the author of the essay comes, well, that is, babel to mertvetskaya, where these four families, 25 people, 15 of whom are children, but there is another focus, about the revolution, there is another focus, which means the palace of motherhood, by the way, it is the only one, that’s where such, well, let’s say, bright from these paintings of the petrogradskys everyday life that he describes in sixteen others, that is, essays, and there he writes that shooting each other may not be stupid, but this is not the whole

revolution, maybe that’s all, who knows, this is not a revolution at all, okay, you have to give birth to children well , and this i know, a real revolution, this is dialectics, but this well understanding or something like the babel of revolution, he expressed in the dialogues between the jewish sage gidali with... gedali from the story of the same name by kanoarmeisky, who dreams of a sweet revolution and the hero-narrator lyutov, who says that the revolution cannot but shoot, because it’s a revolution, this is where we’ll do our traditional beat, we just have telepathy with you, lina, because usually... as, of course, our interlocutors remember, i’m in the middle of the release or showing

some old a book, or analyzing a poem, or reading something from the classics, but today, of course, i decided in advance that i would read a piece from babel, a fragment of the story of the same one, gedali, let us read this with you, revolution, let’s say yes to it, but shall we say no on the sabbath, so begins hydalius. and wraps me in the silken belts of her smoky eyes, yes, i shout to the revolution, yes, i shout to her, but she is hiding from the guide , sending forward only shooting, the sun does not enter the closed eyes, i answer the old man, well, i mean lyutov, just the one ilino osina named, but we will open our closed eyes. the pole closed my eyes,” the old man whispers, barely audible. the pole is an evil dog, he takes a jew and pulls out his

beard, oh the dog, they beat him with an evil dog, this is wonderful, this is a revolution, then the one who beat the pole tells me, give it to me account your gramophone, gidali, i love music, lady, i answer, i am the revolution, you don’t know what you love, gidali, i will shoot you, then you will know it, i can’t help but shoot, because i am the revolution, it is not maybe... but revolution is a pleasure and pleasure is not liked in the house of orphans, good deeds are done by a good person, revolution is a good deed of good people, but good people do not kill, which means revolutions are made by evil people, but the poles are also evil people, who can say, they wondered where the revolution is and where

the counter-revolution is, i once taught the talmud, i i love the comments, there are other understanding people in zhytomyr, not only... maimonite, rashe, whom he calls, here we are all learned people, we fall on our faces, a biblical expression, we shout out loud, woe to us, where is the sweet revolution, the old man fell silent , and we saw the first star making its way along the milky way, indeed, it is wrong to ask the question like that, yes, good or bad, there is a logical chain here that... indicates that the best can turn into evil, yes, and babel is does it masterfully. well, we continue to talk about isaac immanuilovich babel, and we are having this conversation with elena iosifovna pogorelskaya, who

is now working on preparing the collected works of babel in five volumes at the institute of world literature. tell me, please, is babbel still? inventor, ernik, well, here is a person who strives to make the ordinary unusual, i remember the story in the basement, the scene of the death of the dutch, dutch-jewish, if you like, philosopher benedict spenoza, well, spinoza came up with a lot, yes, pantheism, i was once very he knew this well, nature naturans, nature naturata, creative nature, nature-created, this man...

you know, babel in the second half of the thirties said: “literature consists of three phenomena: firstly, real life, you need to know very well real life, secondly, to forget this real life, thirdly, to blind with such a dazzling light so that this is real life, as it is so well said, but i didn’t know this, where did this come from?” "

it begins with two geographical substitutions, not even displacements, but substitutions, yes, the crossing through the harness, firstly, is not a harness at all, novograd lies on the sluch river, this is once, then, allegedly,

it means that the obos is moving along the highway running from brest to warsaw, which could not be, because this... the highway far to the west is located from the scene of events and in the story replaces the already cleared highway between zhitomir and novograd. well, look, this is not just a lie, but what is it for? what is this for? well, first of all, it means the harness, well, here, as if i have my own opinion, yes, i have one too, first i’ll listen to yours, so first i’ll talk about the opinions of others. so to speak, researchers, but along the sbruch river there, about a month later , real events took place, and in the vlach region, but during the soviet-polish war, but they...

right away, yes, as if right away from casaraga, so like this brest warsaw highway, it is, well, like the ultimate goal, yes, let’s say yes, this is the west, but that ’s why i have a harness, i think that for the babel there is this sound, there is this passage through harness, yes, here is the transition through the case, if we said it would not be the same, but this is one of the reasons.

with all the topographical accuracy, yes they changed this, they changed this, he is building a war of the worlds, yes, that is, there is a catholic world, there is a jewish world, there is a soviet world, this is such a very generalized picture, yes, that’s why the fact that this is abstracted from reporting, that they took this and that city, that they took that city, this is very important, artistic, although i agree with you that this sound... shell of the name of the river is also very is important, well, after all, let’s ask you a question about the most important thing for me, again, i’m

a reader, i study the history of literature, but from a different time, earlier, later, but here i’m just a reader, and i always repeat the famous phrase viktor shklovsky, about the fact that babel does not change his voice, he speaks in the same tone about the stars about bad diseases, there’s even... more like what to call it, it’s some strange guy who directly calls these bad diseases, this is expressionism, remember, the terrible ending of this same story, the crossing of the bruch, where you you will find a father better than my father, first crossing the river, where someone is drowning and loudly defaming the mother of god, and here the sun rolls like a severed head, and then suddenly it turns out that the mistress of the house puts him next to... with the corpse of her hacked one father in the pogrom, but all this is said, well, somehow - with

an intonation that is not very easy to catch, such a wangok or something, but it’s like an expression that turns nature into such twisted lines of force, like that, no, that ’s it a paradox, this is, well, well, i don’t know what a paradox is, can i then... give a quote from shklovsky, who spoke the meaning, well, as it is, the meaning of babel’s technique is that he speaks in one voice about the stars about the tripeli, that’s right, the fact is that shklovsky, on the one hand, is right, on the other hand, he has a lot, well, in any case, about abel like that, well, i would say, what do you call it extravagant or something, the word reception is purely shklovian, but we understand.

odessa canary army, you know, well, how they relate, well, excuse me, you can’t do without knowledge literature, firstly, i wouldn’t call them, well, like corps, that means babel.

only three, yes, there are others about odessa, three texts with which, well, you can supplement the odessa stories, this is a text from the twenty-first year in a one-day newspaper to the rescue, justice in parentheses, which for some reason, it is paired with the story lyubka kazak, but for some reason he didn’t include it in this series; he didn’t publish it again, the only time in his life, that’s right, that’s exactly lyubkaza cossack, that’s right.

talk about the collected works that are now being prepared, yes, it will be, well, maybe the most complete, five volumes, five volumes, but for due to the fact that all the known and identified epistolary heritage of babel will be published, and that texts will be included that have never, well

, been included in books, especially the collected works there, so, but... it’s not there, it’s possible it was supposed to be published separately, but it’s not in the babel, the only letter that has survived, and that’s because in the copy of gorky, uh-huh, babel, and this correspondence is not there, but that means, most importantly, the preparation of these texts, yes, scientific preparation, finallyology, commentary and yes, and a completely new comment.

army, and, naturally, this will be a commentary that will take into account the experience of predecessors, modern ones, of course. well, our dear interlocutors, you can be sure that the new five-volume collected works of isaac babel will be interesting and important; many wonderful discoveries await you. today we talked with the leader, however, we were working on the meeting. babel's essay at the institute of world literature, senior researcher at the institute of world literature, academy of sciences elena iosifovna pogorelskaya. i thank you, dear elena iosifovna, for this wonderful conversation. thank you, thank you very much. i am sure that we will see you again in our podcast, to you, our dear friends, i, as always, say: read with pleasure.

hello! this is the baden badon podcast and i am its host konstantin severinov. today our guest is denis lagunov, academician of the russian academy of sciences, deputy director of the gomaleya institute and one of the main developers of the sputnik vaccine. and today we will talk about vaccines. hello, denis. hello, konstantin. share your thoughts on why, it would seem , after more than 100 years of widespread use of vaccines in medical practice, there are so many doubts about the appropriateness. is there any answer to this question? in fact, the question is complex, the first is, well, this is some kind of medical fact, which definitely needs to be mentioned, let’s look at the overall impact of the vaccine

on the human population, how many lives per year, for example, are saved there from infectious diseases diseases, as a result of the introduction of national vaccination calendars there and the vaccination calendar for epidemic indications, that is , about 4 million, keep in mind in our country? no, in the world, in the world this is an impact on the world, that is, 4 million deaths per year are prevented as a result of vaccination, and somewhere, but how is this possible, if the person did not die, then no, there is, of course, there is absolutely clear methods of calculation and statistics, there are countries with greater coverage, less coverage, based on these differences in quantity and the number of deaths can be easily calculated, plus statistics from previous years, but the most important thing i also want to note is that in countries where there is no vaccination, even though there is a vaccine, approximately another million lives are lost according to such rough natural estimates, then there are those that could be prevented as a result of vaccination, but are not prevented, what diseases are we talking about in this case, oh, these are primarily included in the ncp, measles, rubella, paratitis, that’s all that is included

in the national vaccination calendar, this the main diseases, which, accordingly , are the leaders in the number of deaths after infection, now there is also a purely psychological problem with vaccines, we always... modern vaccines, severe adverse reactions, that is, really very low levels, even in this case it actually occurs there is a public outcry regarding the issue of vaccination, so we treat the sick, vaccinate the healthy, and this is actually

a guarantee of constant awareness about vaccines, well, plus there is still no culture of vaccination adult society, what does this mean? well, we always vaccinate quite as if with good readiness we vaccinate our own children, not pitiful yes. at the same time, as soon as the speech concerns oneself, it immediately becomes scary, there, it’s scary to remove a tooth, it’s scary to get vaccinated, but why, well, if we don’t talk about the case of covid, these are still emergency cases, why should we adults get vaccinated if we are in in childhood we already experienced all this, since we were in a law-abiding soviet society, the national vaccination calendar was on us acted and avoiding it, as far as i understand, was very difficult, well, an adult does not need to be vaccinated, you are right, because we receive basic vaccination is not a problem, there is vaccination.