was a military sailor, he went through defense and this was passed on because my father was from sevastopol, then he served in the northern fleet after the war, and my grandfather, pavel petrovich bacharov, was generally a partisan hero. in some years, i remember, i was in a museum, in my opinion, in kamenets-podolsk, and they showed me my grandfather’s documents, i even brought something from his documents in the museum, yes, yes, of course, and well i knew my grandfather, that is , well, it’s like there were three of us girls with mom and dad, we were raised, of course, with this memory, and this memory is still alive, it’s clear, well, there was no need to go far here if.

officer, he also participated in the civil war, so he died heroically, died in the crimea, and the entire regiment died, i have the 14th letter from him to my grandmother, some were written simply with a pencil and a trembling, jumping hand, because he writes letters during artillery shelling, so i just had a war in my house , yes, well, let’s now move on to literature carefully, there are many anniversaries this year, yes pavel, i am primarily addressing you as a literary historian, although certainly. also knows about this, anniversaries, let

's remember, yuri bondarev, vladimir bogomolov, yulia drunina, nikola starshinov nikola starshinov, boris vasiliev, boris vasilyev, bulat akudzhava, many of the famous writers who left us a work about the war were born in the twenty- fourth year, it turns out so, and this is the year when those who met the war at seventeen years old were born, and what do you think, pavel, this is how... works were created that were written and published either directly during the war, or after the war, this is such a special a group of texts, yes, when the impression has not yet cooled down, the war continues, there is a poem by margarita alegerzoya, then the bakopa of stalingrad by viktor nekrasov, the first edition of the young guard, fodeev, they fought for the homeland of sholokhov, the story of a real man boris polevoy, well...

with on the other hand, sholokhov had the experience of the civil war, the experience of the quiet don, and, probably, the greatest work of the civil war, it was no coincidence that later the lieutenants said that we all came out of the trenches of stalingrad, viktor nekrasov, because that this was the first personal thing written by a man who fought, that is, a man who shot, and what else is very interesting about this nickname, it immediately refers to the specific individuals who are found, because... if aleger had not found zoya, we

now, probably, they wouldn’t know anything about her, of course, of course, so she creates, well, this is not a good word, a definite apocrypha, but this girl, the heroine, fodeev finds the young guard, and also writes, we too , perhaps, well, maybe someone - i knew, but such a literary legend, historical of course, there would be no legend, but the field findings are absolutely amazing. which can be considered as a thing about war, or can be considered simply as an existential thing about how a person survives, and in incredible conditions, how he then achieves, of course, of course, pain to life, yes, so it is very different, this prose, but it certainly prepared for the appearance of a lieutenant later, who was still supposed to come a little later in her fifties with a different experience, yes, well, it’s important, pavel correctly said that there were cases of finding some real heroes, yes, and some, unfortunately, maybe not... received artistic

embodiment, there were viktor talalikhin, alexander matrosov, nikolai costello, well, also absolutely such exemplary examples of heroism, well... they said a lot later that maybe there was a touch of attraction or apocrypha or some kind of transformation of reality here, but at its core it was real, real heroism, absolutely, well, and i think that such an intermediate link between the prose of the first wave and lieutenant prose is, probably simonov, yes, living and dead, yes, of course, this trilogy is also wonderful, simonov is both a playwright, a poet, and a prose writer, of course, yes, and this and... not yet a lieutenant’s prose, but not those documentaries , reporting often things that went straight into the war, right? yes, but i know that the lieutenants were quite jealous of simon, he is of course a great writer, certainly a poet, and a prose writer, but

to some extent, they probably wrote their things, a little, so to speak, looking back at simonov, who there was also correspondent, although he was, i know, i just read about it, incredibly brave. then, because he knew what to talk to them about, he saw it all, he has subcutaneous experience, of course, yes, right at the junctions of europe and asia, the mountains of the steppes, there is a blooming garden of eden, we are in bashkiria, friends, bashkirs have a few arrows here so he took it into his mouth, you know, in combat,

three more four between his fingers, that’s how he shot, also a machine gun, these are the same relics. we are talking today with irina shevchuk, performer of the role of rita osyanina in the film "the azorean destiny", honored artist russian federation and" with pavel bosinsky,

writer, journalist, literary critic. you were correct in saying that the lieutenant's prose, without any offense to konstantin mikhailovich in any way, was created somehow. its main characters are specific people, but after all, there is a strategic scale, but you can see where the troops are going, we will also talk about tolstoy’s tradition, and the lieutenant’s prose, which in...

it was largely the thaw, why you need to understand, these people came from the front, here are many of them, well not many, some of them studied at the literary institute, you have to imagine, yes, the literary institute, where pavel pasinsky has been working for many, many years, i remind you, i graduated from it, but i can just vividly imagine it, guys who fought, yes, lieutenants, tunics, they have medals, orders, stripes for wounds.

who further had wonderful things, had a shore, had a choice, yes, many famous things, but there was also grigory baklanov, for the ages of his nineteenth birthday.

and sergei serebrennikov, front-line soldier, artist, well, 25 years ago, well, subtract 25 years from

twenty-four, it wasn’t entirely necessary, but this was the group with which rostudsky spent his whole life, just from beginning to end, so uncle sasha bukhvalov came up to us salt, after we dreamed of auditioning for something like this , shook our shoulders, kissed the cheeks and said, “you will play in this,” so he approved us. so i wanted to ask, maybe there were some artistic councils, not artistic councils, but the first word, that’s how it would be such a statement from a front-line soldier and a blessing we received from uncle sasha bukhvalov, our pyrotechnician, how great it is, uncle sasha bukhvalov, i saw him in absentia, well, unfortunately, i already understand him, it was a baptism, yes, yes, of course, of course, and this is some kind of scene, apparently this in the swamp, we walk along the bolo. there, but this is filming, well, filming, of course, would we really have climbed

into this swamp ourselves and walked, although they took care of us there, they laid us there, they laid them on the quagmire, i don’t remember what boards, plywood, well, so that we would still- didn’t really fall through there, well, this is rita osyanina, this is me, me, yes, red face, just on beautiful face, by the way, thanks to my eyes... “stasya, do you remember the girl, in the gikon they called her a geek, from a gik, she came to us with just like that.”

i’m writing prose, well, now i’ll read a poem by arseny aleksandrovich torkovsky, who fought, worked as a poet, it was written in his military service book that he was not a correspondent, but he worked in the front-line newspaper combat alert, he has many poems written during the period written during the war, and there is a poem published here in this book earth earthly, this is the second collection by arseny torkovsky in sixty- six. a book was published in 1964, and the poem was written in 1964, it’s amazing, i think everything will be clear without commentary, you know that he lost his leg in the war, yes, and this is a description of the operation of death, then the resurrection under the psalms of david, a field hospital , the table was turned towards the light, i was lying

upside down, like meat on a scale, my soul was beating on a thread, and i saw... myself from the outside, i was balanced without any extra weight market, fat giri, it was in the middle of the snow shield, shcherbatovo on the western edge, in a circle of ice-free swamps, trees with broken legs and railway stops, with split skulls, black with snow caps, sometimes double, sometimes triple, that day time stood still , the hours did not pass and the souls of the trains no longer flew along the embankments without lanterns on the gray wisps of steam and there were no crow weddings, no snowstorms, no thaws in that limbo where i lay in shame, in my nails, in my blood, outside the field of gravity

future, but moved on the axis and went. by there was a shield of blinding snow all around, and low above my head seven planes turned around, and gauze, like tree bark on the body, hardened and alien blood ran from the flask into my veins, and i breathed like a fish on the sand, swallowing hard, mica, earthly , cold and blessed air to me... my lips swept and i was also spoon-fed, and i still could not remember my name, but the dictionary of king david lived on my tongue, and then the snow melted, and early spring stood on tiptoe and wrapped the trees in her

green cloak, this is arseny’s poem torkovsky, which records for himself... and the unbearable military experience, the memory of the war, it is very much in tune with the lieutenant’s prose, because it was written in the same years when the lieutenant’s prose began to gain strength, and let’s pavel, let’s talk a little more about boris vasiliev, about his fate, about his books, maybe we’ll remember the drama, the play tank crew, on which the film officers was based, much later, well, boris vasiliev, what can we say about him, after all? in a strange way, i had a little personal history with boris vasiliev, because well, not with him, i didn’t meet, but i was in the house, his house, he lived in solnechnogorsk, he lived in solnechnogorsk, he lived in solnechnogorsk, there was a house, but he and his wife lived in solnechnogorsk, he died immediately after her death there, literally 2 months later

, he survived her for a short time, it was so yes, because it was that this is a marriage in heaven, of course , unconditionally, and i went there... the civil war before the patriotic war and after the patriotic war, that is, there is a huge historical, historical panorama, and it’s very interesting, because that the officers

are red white, well, here are the officers who served in the imperial army before the revolution, but they were divided approximately in half, some went to the reds to fight, some to the whites, in this tragedy, in this tragedy, they were career officers, i understand, this was their profession, generally speaking, so when this... there is such a profession of defending the homeland, on the one hand it is very patriotic, on the other hand they are professional military men, for whom service is life, it’s simple and it’s very cool, it’s shown in the film, of course, they played it very well, of course, yumatov and lonova, therefore - a very good film, a great film, the dog, well, it didn’t have such a resonance, it was staged, but as far as i know it didn’t last long, it didn’t last very long.

and in the first part there was supposed to be a story of the thirties, these two future generals, they actually end up in camps there, then they removed it, well, of course, after all, this film came out in the seventies, and vasiliev was very angry about it , there is such a moment when they meet. after the war, two generals, and they meet as if by chance, that’s how each other recognizes friend, well, well, two generals are serving, they didn’t know each other, that is, well, it’s clear that they are there, this moment of course is there, but the film , yes, an amazing, amazing film for the sake of this phrase, you really need to remember it all time more often, but, you know, after your phrase it occurred to me that this is such a terrible formula, a formula for a tragedy that is affecting our country.

in all, an appeal to a person, a person, this is prose about people, it is of course about war, but first of all about people, well, just like now it’s also socialism with a human face, yes yes that’s why

there are petya rostov and nikolai rostov, petya rostov, who dies in his enthusiasm, nikolai rostov, who relies on friendship above all, and with denisov, irin, around the film... or before the film, other events somehow concerned you, i mean the publication of a story by boris vasilyev in the magazine youth, and this is also the legendary magazine youth, but in those decades, then my beloved had a performance at taganka, somehow it was known, no, i didn’t read or watch the performance , yeah, i heard, because well, i studied, i studied we have excerpts there, a performance.

i auditioned for rita, because, in principle, all the girls were approved, except for me and olya, that is, rita and zhenya, everyone else, as if they already understood who would be filmed elena drapeka, ekaterina ma yes, well, that is, if to be honest, the rostotsky film crew had licenses on the table, all five of them, and such an age , so much older. on

our camping trip, we’re learning how to wrap party clothes so that they’d wrap them right now, easily, i was the one with them, well, after all, i’m a sailor’s daughter granddaughter of partisans, by the way, look carefully at everyone, they learned from me, tell me, this is such a banal question, but it’s still important, i’ve been teaching for many years, almost 20 already, at the mkhat studios school at the theater institute, so...

this is very a shy young lady, despite the fact that she studied to be an artist, by the way, rostovsky felt this, apparently, because at the auditions, when we played, well, in order for them to look at us there, approve us, we starred in some scenes , then he said, let's film the scene where rita and zhenya, that means zhenya is saying there, now... let’s go, i’ll go and shoot all that, irita should be commanded by fighter kamelkov, so it was important for him to see me - so decisive, because i was, well, i gave the impression of such a calf and such an angel who is not able to shout there and insist, although you were a lie, i was a very

bad girl inside. i think it was, but where would it have come from then if it hadn’t existed at all, wonderful formulation, corita raised me, she really raised me, that’s it, i i i hope that she raised the girls too, well, that is, we still communicate and still love each other, well, how can you not love those who, well, it happens in different ways, you know, but we love each other, i i consider them my sisters, yeah. i find out everything that can be learned about them, i think that every actor who plays such a role, well, such a human one, very significant, very loved by the audience, yes, there is still something left in him, this cannot be that i’m a hero today, i’m such and such there, i’m even in life is sometimes called rita, i’m not surprised, i want it too, and your profile and gesture.

so, well, i can only say thank you to fate, boris lvovich vasiliev, stanislavuch rostotsky, my sisters in the film the elements of mischief here and sergeant major vaskov for the fact that we were born and live on this earth. okay, let's now remember the story of the story, not the film, but the story, because a lot has been written, a lot has been discussed in criticism, and boris himself. i remembered about this, about how the story was created, and the real events there, in general are depicted, and this is such an amazing story about the fact that local battles took place , which for specific people were the only and last, yes, but this is how the work went, what was the main thing that clicked there, because not everything worked out, yes, as far as we know, well , as far as i know, this was a real story

when the germans actually landed troops. yes - and they were caught there for a long time, everyone was caught, well , someone was killed there, someone was caught, yes, but, but these were not girls, these were not girls, and yes, and vasiliev began to sort of like her already write this story, but it didn’t work out, when he came up with the girls, then he came up with this great thing, that is, it’s like a fiction, yes, they weren’t girls, yes, it’s interesting, it’s about the truth about the war, after all , the truth is not necessary...

in the sense of some real emotion, this is probably the point, and i generally think, irin, what do you think, after all, these five, not even female, destinies are nine and female at the same time. this is such an encyclopedia of russian life, look, this is deddom’s galya quarter, this is an intelligent jewish girl sonya gurvich, this is the powerful peasant liza brichkina, this is rita osyanina, who has already experienced a tragedy, and this, and this is the charming zhenya komelkova, already with her female destiny, but, perhaps, it is difficult to add something to these.

about how the girls are dying and about how, oh, i’m dying, you know, because sonya was the first one to die, yes, the whole group was crying, although we all understood that this, well, this is a stage, this is

a movie, but when we, there was already a stab in the heart, when we saw her, lying in these stones with a white face, it was impossible, impossible, well now it’s impossible, of course. naturally, irina shevchuk, and i think that in some sense this film is one of the most iconic, i think that this is the golden fund of soviet, russian cinema, and we can

say that this era, this time, these people, this great the war has found its life in art forever, it is next to us, and today we had a conversation with wonderful interlocutors, this is irina shevchuk, honored artist of the russian federation, performer of the role of rita asyanina. thank you very much, irina. i'm sure we 'll see you again on our podcast, and my other interlocutor, writer, journalist, critic, pavel basinsky. thank you pavel for this conversation. i think that we will have the opportunity to talk about the war, about literature, about life, to you, our dear friends. as i always say, read with pleasure.

hello, this is the easy money podcast and i am its host, mikhail khanov. today our guest is the president of the association of russian banks , gorigin tasunyan. hello gorigin ashotovich. thank you very much for agreeing to take part in the conversation. our conversation will be quite capacious, rich, first of all, for our audience i will say that griginarovich is an academician of the russian academy of sciences, so his words have special weight. and first of all, since almost all of our audience, our readers and listeners, one way or another work with banks, either they have accounts or have deposits, now a burning topic is fraud, this is how... to protect your savings is not from market losses, but from losses from fraud attacks, that’s how effectively banks are able to deal with this kind of the hesitations that arise from year to year, everything new? yes, this is a very serious

problem for banks, and for clients, and for regulators, because this is the very topic around which we are all united, we are allies, because we are usually participants with regulators.

and here the psychological factor comes into play first of all, of course, when people are frightened that something happened to relatives, that it’s the law enforcement agencies supposedly calling, that it’s the regulator calling, that it’s the bank calling, that if you urgently don’t give it necessary information, then you will lose money, but you know, the psychological effect becomes so amazing when people for a long time...

what can again do is explain to him that there is now you will lose this money, please don’t do it, but the more you convince the client, the more the client gets the feeling that what the scammers told him, that he needs to be removed urgently, is the opposite syndrome, yes, that is, you trust more, blinkered and acting according to a certain false algorithm, you are these...

reality needs to be answered in the following way: leave the coordinates, i will call you back, leave your phone number, name, position, i will call you back, if they are law enforcement officers, send the paper.

the figure is alarming, because the lost personal data is already in the hundreds , almost 57 times, which is a few million for me, there are 170 million records. you

mentioned artificial intelligence that it can be used to make so-called deep fakes of a deep level of elaboration. ah copies, yes, voices, copies of behavioral models, something else, how to deal with this, when just recently there was a case in one of the asian countries - a representative of an english, but well, not some kind of large financial company, according to fakes, according to conversations, according to several conversations, remotely via video link, transferred about 70 million dollars in several payments, thinking that this was his boss from london, yes, and here... his boss, some phrases, orders were sent, and the man corrected the money to several payments, how to deal with this? well this, by the way, has begun to be used very often lately, because over the past

few months there have been calls on behalf of various kinds of leaders that need to be made urgently.