he is reprimanded for this by a girl he likes, this desire for some internal equality and dignity of all people, this history can be traced back to mikhail mikhalovich long before, maybe he did not formulate it like that in such, but that is why he accepted the revolution, as he himself writes, joyfully, as something bright, as something that tomorrow will be better than yesterday, well, great, vera mikhailovna, you formulated it, but in a revolution there are different sides, of course, this bright is symbolic. as blok says: listen the music of the revolution, in the revolution it is equality, it is democracy, it is respect for another person, but there is also something else, we understand perfectly well, tragic, violent and so on, here the question is more complicated, you mentioned, of course, the story before sunrise, and we will talk about it a lot, but now we will talk about zzoshchenko, let me ask you about what, in your family, what did they say about mikhail mikhailovich, what traditions? were, what

stories may there be that are unknown from his texts, but still you don’t find yourself every day opposite the great-granddaughter of mikhail mikhailovich zoshchenko? well, there may be a short answer, none, none, none, well - let's look at the photograph, this is my dad, an officer, a submariner, this is the son of mikhail mikhailovich, my grandfather, valery mikhailovich zoshchenko. i was named in honor of vera vladimirovna, the wife of mikhail mikhailovich, and you see, i was lucky, i should have been.

well, such a happy fate, yes, they koverin, for example, everyone knows him as the author of two captains, although he is much broader than just the author of this novel, but still mash, how is it it could have worked out, i still don't have a very clear picture of this, but something is growing in the country that will then lead to this terrible zhdanovsky decree of 1946 , a dictatorship over literature is growing in the country, a social order

, literature, and he looked after everyone in a positive sense, yes , gorky is a patent for babel's nobility, and i think that this is also connected with the fact that none of them were in the ranks of the white guard, they were young, they wrote, at least they had, it seems to me, an idea, like zoshchenko to create a new literature for new reader, for zoshchenko - revolution, yes , in general,

not banal, and not erased, but from repetitions, this is the tenth congress of the rcp, now, of course, probably, fortunately, and maybe even without probably, definitely fortunately. few of our interlocutors to the side of the screen or headphones, because our podcast works in different formats, few of you, dear interlocutors, know the history of the party, know what congresses were there when, well, i remember this , i remember what happened there, this, well, if in the language of banal formulas, then this is an introduction, new economic policy, and several utopias were cancelled, in the seventeenth year. it seemed that there would be a world revolution, we had to go, a march on paris on europe, there was a civil war, it seemed that there would be a new culture, proletkult, it is clear that little came of this either, and it seemed that there would be a new economy, little came of this, hyperinflation, devastation, but it still

seems to me that mikhail mikhailovich finds his hero at this time, what do you think, exactly...

everything is mixed up, here is an aristocrat, for example, why take her to the theatre? yes, it seems to me that just when nep came, it became very clear, firstly, this stratification, that there are nepmen, and there are these proletarian real people, on whose behalf zoshchenko spoke, they did not have their own

voice and their own representative in literature, in zoshchenko's stories there are proletarian real working people, mandelstam said that zoshchenko wrote the bible of labour, and we don't... the delights of culture the proletarian goes to the theatre, he has a ticket, but it turns out that he needs to pay 20 kopecks to the cloakroom attendant, and he doesn't have them

no, and they don't let him in, there are these nepmans around who easily take millions out of pockets, the secret of the times is that on the one hand you are a proletarian, that is, well, conventionally speaking, simple yes. but the dictatorship of the proletariat, yes, that is , the main class there, not a class, the estate of the nobility, here the proletarian, who is broken by this feeling, gerizoshchenko is a broken man, yes, problematic, inharmonious, and all this is a hero, a hero of the twenty-first year, yes, because the cossacks were disowned, the nobles left, the priests, the priests, were defrocked, the kulaks were exiled siberia.

he says that grief has come, yes, trouble, the abolition of serfdom, for him grief and trouble, because up to this point everything was clear, everything was laid out, put in its place, here suddenly everything got mixed up, these are also new rich people, yes, the old ones are gone, almost none among them, yes, in the army there are officers and generals who fought in the tsarist army, slashchev, for example, but they are a minority, new, new military leaders from the people, this is the slogan of the revolution, zoshchenko seizes this moment, i think that after all this moment is the most important, a small man is really what russian literature is based on.

would be another zoshchenko, but still a person who made very significant

discoveries for himself. well, now, as you, of course, remember, our esteemed interlocutors, in the middle of the program we have an author's rubric, that is, mine, and i do one of three things: either i show an old book taken from its shelves, in no case from the museum where i work and maryana works, or i quote a poem, analyze it, or ... blok, it is written right here, collected and annotated, supplied by alexander blok and alexander blok in large font, because well , for readers it is not yet known what is more important, apalon grigoriev or blog. this book is also the heyday of the time we are talking about, the sixteenth year, a year before the revolution.

when i now try to explain in class about an important act the scale of popularity of that

period, i have to select for them, that is , add up, add up several, because none of their popular figures now give this scale, which was then right up to this famous pythological stories that when the tram passed by his house, the stop zotcheva rossi was often announced with a reservation, the stop zoschenka rossi. and indeed he was known without the internet, the whole country knew him, photographs were sold everywhere, well, that is , it was simply a truly wild popularity, which yes, and brought problems.

already in the tenth years, but later the magenists, yesenin and maringov, but mikhail mikhailovich also went flu with tours practically, yes, the experience was unsuccessful, obviously, it is worth admitting, yes, well, but nevertheless, nevertheless, imagine on tour, i don't know, turgenev or tyuchev, who goes from poetry somewhere to tambov, but it's strange to imagine, ko was really phenomenally popular, he had high circulation. several reprints and at the same time there were still lines at the store before opening, as now for tv i must say that for zushchenko this was very important back in the early twenties, when he began to publish these collections, one of his friends said that zoshchenko writes some kind of nonsense, but at the same time it's terribly proud of the demand and huge

print runs, that is, it was important for him that he had this new reader, and the reader approves of him... to the writer, to show critics that look, people read me and love me, critics began to oppress him from the twenty-seventh year, oppress him, because mikhail mikhailovich was mature in this, that he was succeeding in communication, which he had just planned, he was heard, that they laughed out loud for two hours at the concert, 2 hours, then how sad it all is, therefore mikhail mikhailov... that having bought the book, having read it, having such an audience, reach, people, having laughed at first, will take steps to change, because remember all these phrases, i feel sorry for the person who you are laughing at, that it still works, in soviet times they talked about satire, soviet satire, it castigates those who live

incorrectly, if someone somewhere among us sometimes, as they sang much later in one tv series, honestly. does not want to live and so on, isn't it strange, isn't there a paradox here, because conventionally speaking, fat, thin or chamileon, i mean chekhov's characters, yes, they do not they will buy those stories where they are above them, where they are exposed, where they are nailed to the pillar of satire and so on, that is, in satire there is always some kind of distance between the one who utters some moral truths and the one who is ridiculed. as a primitive person, as an insufficient person, this is the 16th century, so here we get a paradox, no, the heroes who are ridiculed buy those books in which they are ridiculed, or they are not ridiculed, then the nerd who revels in this, well, primitiveness, no, not at all, they not ridiculed, this is absolute sympathy, why

many stories go i, this is again to the beginning of the conversation, this is the respect that, it feels.

it is very different from what was done in the thirties, and this caused, this is the very edge, the twenties and thirties, yes, the beginning of the thirties, the blue book - this is, in my opinion, thirty-fourth, thirty-fifth year, returned youth thirty-fourth. and it seems to me that it was precisely he who caused doubts in his sovietness, legitimacy, because he did something completely different, what he considered necessary

to do, he had his own idea of ​​what soviet literature should be like, and he consistently tried to do it, this is a very important idea, new, but mine, but not as you dictate, well, let me remind you that there is a demonstrative preface by gorky, yes, that is, there is such a cover that maxim gorky told me, write such and such a book, yes. to go into a position, if it is necessary to explain, then he did not consider it very important to explain, no, there is no need to explain, but to explain what he is doing, why he is doing it and what is important for him, exactly, so that they understand, so that there is an understanding, it is clear, let's tell what is explained there, there, as it were, world history is projected onto russian history, or vice versa, probably, russian history, onto world history, but a different engine, not class struggle, not revolutions, there several principles are put at the forefront, this is money. what has changed over these centuries, little has changed,

that is why there first come historical facts, then modern facts are considered, and now we are entering another the ground, because then the most important reasoning, reflections of mikhail mikhailovich begin, who even earlier begins to comprehend this... distance in himself, yes, we are talking, of course, about his famous ideology, which completely, well, you could say, saw the light of day much later, only in 1972 was in 1972, and together with perestroika, yes, we are talking about this ideology, which is fundamentally different from these insipid, minute, such well-coordinated, laconic stories about different people, and this what in general, self-observation, before sunrise - it's a metaphor, yes before sunrise - it's a paraphrase on gaopmotskaya before

sunset, there before the end of life, and for him before sunrise, before the beginning of life, that is, this is what is laid down in the prenatal period our imprints, which we either a story or a story about reason, or the first name was the keys to happiness, to give people a clue.

consequences and as we know from before sunrise he was impressed by precisely the clear reason for the sun freud his triggers hand would interpret well, completely trunk-like. naturally, naturally, it was important for me to hear this, because you and i have, well, half-exchanged another half-myth, well, that is, there is a basis, but of course, this cannot be reduced to freud absolutely, because here everything is much deeper, more interesting, more important, although the idea is the same, yes, that we are ruled by some sensations or yes, we are ruled by the fact that before sunrise, sunrise -

that's what they wanted, he was on the list of twenty people who should be taken prisoner immediately, first of all taken prisoner, so that he would work to the propaganda of that side, and supposedly that is why mikhail mikhailovich is urgently expelled from leningrad in 24 hours and out of the 12 kilograms allowed he takes 8 kg without roots of his own defense, it is rather some kind of semi-legend, it seems to me , no documentary, well, mikhail mikhailovich himself wrote about it, in general, like many things, yes, in a biographical myth, this is such.

he was like that and in 1943, all this is important, well, that is, writers reacted very differently, yes, someone, like simonov, writes, wait for me, i will return, yes, i do not compare one with another, yes, but all these are living and honest reactions to what was happening with the country, with the world and inside with a person, yes, someone creates some other works, zoshchenko offers this lesson, the pressure of criticism is growing, inappropriate, absolutely.

to the well-known complex of different party decisions, which this complex led to the infamous decree on the magazines of the star of aleningrad, and there are two formulas, yes, that is, zoshchenko is the one who depicts the soviet person as a monkey, and akhmatova is a half-nun half-harlot, and he is a vulgarian, yes, vulgar bastard, and this is a complete misunderstanding of what is happening to people, because ana andreyevna akhmatova in forty-fifth year, well

, another person. of course, not the same, not better, not worse, just different, absolutely, she has the northern legions behind her and it is clear that much indicates that they are fighting with akhmatova with some other, referents slip a quote from ehimbaum, we know, yes, that the half-nun, half-harlot is nezhdanov, and boris mikhailovich ehimbaum, a brilliant russian philologist, and he, well, correctly and succinctly described this image of the early...

he is ordered, and we continue to talk about zoshchenko in the year of his 130th anniversary, and of course, we will always talk, today we talked with wonderful guests, this is veromi. all the best, goodbye, to you our dear interlocutors, as always i say with emphasis and conviction, read with pleasure, dear friends,

hello, with you the popular science podcast schrödinger's cat. i am its host grigory tarasevich, editor-in-chief of the magazine, which is also called schrödinger's cat, and we talk about the most important, the most significant for things from a scientific point of view, and today's topic is the role of the father. in order to talk about this role, we invited a sociologist, professor of the higher school of economics, elena rozhdestvenskaya, we have a special guest, the host of the easy money podcast, that is, my colleague. and financial analyst mikhail khanov. just in case, i will explain that mikhail is the father of four children, elena is the mother of two children, well, i am also the father of two children, which i am extremely proud of. and one more important clarification:

we are talking specifically about science. i understand that every citizen of the globe knows how to raise children correctly and is ready to share advice with anyone. today we are not so much about advice, so much about...

show us that there are societies where fathers were previously included in the life of their wives and children, and there is a society where the pantheon of gods was quite severe, mostly represented by male figures, and they themselves were warlike and dominant, well, and accordingly distanced themselves from ginickey, yes, that is, women with children and all the everyday life around them, this is not a man's business, therefore, generally speaking, anthropologically considering this situation.

men began to spend less and less time at home, work, production and family, the family structure began to move further and further away from each other, the deprivatization of fatherhood is coming, that is, fatherhood, in fact, is separated from this family

home, and part of the care function is transferred mostly to women, here we understand that something happened to the household and society began to value completely different things, not in what...

involvement, i believe that fatherhood is, well, generally absence - this is first of all responsibility and in general having children is a very responsible step, when you are not just, so to speak, a product of happy love, yes, but you understand that this is time, this is strength, this is effort, and you are building, changing your life in such a way that - there is a place for communication in it, and here, as

elena noticed, noted, i emphasized this, namely involvement in communication, and not formal for the sake of appearance, and here it is very important that you yourself want this, because children are such a tidbit of paper, they they instantly read the falsehood, and if you, eh , don’t leave, communicate with the child, and well, how do you and your wife come home, don’t touch me, let me be alone in the den, then it means you’re simply not ready for this fatherhood, otherwise it’s impossible, otherwise there won’t be that contact, no upbringing, no example, nothing will work out if you’re not involved, i had a rather stormy youth in all respects, and i really wanted , i really wanted - a child, therefore - my daughter was so much expected that we were it doesn't matter at all whether it's a boy or a girl, and i did everything there, including drops of beetroot juice so that i... excuse me, the intestinal tract would work better, and so, uh, when we talk about

leaving, i have two marriages, in the first marriage i left when the child was 7 years old, my daughter, this beloved one of mine, i was most worried that i would become a sunday dad, but i managed to maintain contact, well, for example, i was at all the meetings for 10 years at school, that is , her mother has never been to a single meeting, i was involved in education, not so directly in detail pedantically, but... i followed this, why were these meetings not simple, when you sit in a common room and they tell you something, when you go to all the teachers, when you are engaged in the prospects for the development of your child, you sometimes encounter some kind of kicks, that is, well, because i had a precedent, when a girl - studied with a fairly well-known writer, he was her literature teacher at school, she wrote in his magazine and everything went to the journalism department of moscow state university, suddenly she with all the tutors, suddenly in the tenth grade she announced that she would go... to the higher school of economics, because everyone was going there, i thought, oops, well, i had to somehow

live with this too, raising, but answering your question, yes, i was very involved, i remain a very involved father, i do not lose touch even with the older children, very close, because i have another, in addition to two children in my second marriage, there is also a girl from my wife's first marriage, whom i have been raising since she was 10 years old and to this day we are with her vkontakte in full, as they say. i give her advice on her career, on development, i am involved, including her additional education, how else? elena, so that the father could fully return to the family, the financial issue must be resolved somehow, i understand that in the nineties, when well, it was necessary to feed, fathers really left there for a shift in siberia or somewhere else, do i understand correctly that now in a big city like moscow, for example, you can afford to set aside time for communication. with a child and at while maintaining a normal standard of living, well

, let's look at the context, yes, that is, we must fit this trend into a certain space of social opportunities that today opens up, and families have become small in children, and accordingly the understanding that i can have one or at most two, that is, according to public opinion polls, russians consider the ideal number two. plus a very high divorce rate, yes, this forces, firstly, a woman to a certain balance of life and work, the understanding that without their professional employment, which gives economic benefits...

one or two children, this means that the upbringing of each of them is a whole business project, yes, that is, there are increased demands on that, even internal and from the social environment, to the fact that, firstly, it is necessary to engage in the development of the child, a child who does not go along with school or late kindergarten some developmental clubs or other, but this is somehow no longer camelfo, yes, this is additional effort, this is additional money, it's... additional management in general of this time, therefore understanding that fewer children, but higher quality, this is childhood, plus to everything, understanding that if i now miss this early period of childhood, where the idea of ​​involvement starts, then i will not get these fantastic, unique emotions anywhere, yes, and

no one will compensate me for their absence and i will be to some extent infringed by this absence, and he now...

with you the podcast kot shchedena and we are talking about the role of the father in the modern family, about what sociology thinks about this, our guest today, professor of the higher school of economics, elena rozhdestvenskaya, and as a living example of fatherhood, the father of four children, mikhail

khanov, and maybe it's not just about money, but about roles in general, because the traditional role. a brutal man with a sword, who worked, lay down on the couch, thought about the fate of russia, fell asleep, and the wife, therefore, washes the dishes, communicates with the children, in my opinion, this is already going away, no, you know, at least now we realize - this most interesting paradox or even can be to say, a contradiction, on the one hand, most men share this unspoken love for the dominant type of masculinity, strong, courageous, emotionally self -limiting, which takes on the role of the main financial, so to speak, breadwinner of the family, on the other hand, involvement as an activity itself, involved fatherhood, it generally speaking, drags along a very interesting trail, which scientists have paid attention to, and such a father needs for himself...