and it seems to me that here we need to very carefully distinguish between some criticism, some actions of individual government officials, be it civilian or military, and the unwillingness for your country to win. i 'll tell you, i look very carefully at the public opinion polls available to me, i try to talk to people, i look at telegram channels, but i don't see. i don't see any signs that in russia, of course, there is a serious readiness not only to suffer defeat, but even to retreat, general, you know, i, with karin georgievich, maybe be and i do not quite agree that russia fights best on its own territory, yes, it fights on its own territory, by the way, not always successfully, the initial periods of all...

ukrainian land, and if it turns out that they begin to suffer their own losses, if this somehow hits them, then i think that we will suddenly discover that our moral and political unity is much stronger than theirs, and this, and this can determine the outcome of the conflict. it was a big game, we will meet tomorrow on the air.

hello, i am dmitry bak, we have right here now another edition of the literary podcast, which, as you certainly remember, is called let them not talk, let them read. we talk a lot, we talk about prose, about poetry, about drama, about literary magazines, about books, but we talk only so that you read our esteemed interlocutors, today we will talk about poetry. this is our constant topic, because russian poetry is vast, abundant in talent. here in my hands is a book that you may recognize, poetry lovers will definitely recognize, this is a book by robert rozhdestvensky, which is called a peer, a book

sixty-second year, and indeed, i am the same age as this book, almost the same age, i could not read it then, but it turns out that the poetry of robert rozhdestvensky attracts us and... we are all the same age as the poet, today rozhdestvensky, ekaterina robertovna, we are talking with the daughter of robert rozhdestvenskaya. hello, ekaterina robertovna, i am very glad to see you, i introduced you as the poet's daughter, and this is true, that 's how it is, this is my most important achievement, my pride, let's say so, of course, it is pride, but i would like to start with you, you we did a lot of things and many professionally, for example, you... translated from english, and from french, yes, and how it all happened, we were friends with artem burovyak, and he worked in a publishing house, so he suggested that i do translations, so the first translation that i did was a book

by john steinbeck, not much, not little, yes, well, you know, very simple language, it was just such a pleasure, for steinbeck. remember this guy, comrade, i just decided to translate him myself, one of his novels, it was, in my opinion, if tomorrow comes, i translated it, brought it to the publisher, they told me that the soviet reader cannot be interested in such waste paper, they left

this manuscript at the publisher, it was like they threw it out, and after some time i saw that it came out in my translation, under a different name, it's a wonderful story, the nineties, what a horror, i didn't know that, well, it was a rehearsal for my next translations, apparently, a good life lesson, but then i was completely unhappy with the fact that my name, it was practically nowhere, it was just summersett moi or john steinbeck, so i got into photography, it was already digital photography from the very beginning - no, no, no, no, i was still around. or rather film photography was around me, so it was much more difficult, of course, then it became more beautiful, no, yes, yes, yes, but then digital, of course, it reduced the waiting time, and it all became much easier, and well, since 100 frames go

polymer, firstly, secondly, after all, it's a magazine, it's a stream, it's deadlines, and you had to hit the deadline, and there's a red light, developer, yes, lose a finger. no, i didn't rub anything, honestly, no, no, i didn't know how to do anything, i studied, i'm supposed to be a translator-referent with knowledge of foreign languages, that's just how fiction translation is by specialty, everything i did later was by intuition, as grandma says, you have to cook by intuition, that's how i live by intuition, actually, that is , everything that is put into the soup is simply tasted, added, subtracted, diluted. well, that's how it probably happens in life, tell me, portraits after all, were you attracted to it, or not only? portraits, no, i took pictures all the time, i took pictures everywhere, i took pictures while traveling, i was attracted to everything, this passion of mine, it later grew into another profession,

designer, i decided that this is exactly my next question, so i decided that - photography can live not only on paper, but on silk, on fabric, so i started printing - photos on silk and sewing some things from this fabric of my own, but i had another question about you, about journalism. "this is also your occupation, also an occupation, yes, and this is something that everyone knows, how it happened, somehow also by chance, like in soup, potatoes, carrots, well, in general, yes, i didn’t know how it was all done, but since i had a lot of acquaintances, starting with my work as a photographer and a private collection, i became interested in their lives and..." questions, answers, somehow it all, that is , your profession, it grew, yes, referent,

translator, yes, but one followed from the other, and from my profession as a photographer a profession followed that i adore, and i believe that i was heading towards it my whole life as a writer, in fact, you are always talking about the same thing, about the desire and ability to understand another, and translation is understanding another, and photography, i understood other people, i... i just stopped recognizing them, well, i knew ryazanov, gurchenko and elena obraztsova, but those who began to come to me, well, approaching the twenties, i did not know at all, some boys, girls, and i simply became uninterested, and they usually entered the studio in a crowd, well, with assistants, with directors, who of them was a star, i and so somehow they didn't say it like that, here you are, here you are, i didn't know, no, no, no, so i decided that who would sit down, but my project was not conceived for this, so i decided that

it was enough, and i sat down to write it all down, these notes have already grown into 12 books, well , let's still turn to robert ivanovich, robert ivanovich's life began in siberia, first, yes, then in omsk, even before the war, all this was, and robert ivanovich's debut happened. already, when the family lived in karelia, then carillo-finnish ussr still, in today's karelia in petrozavodsk, the first books were published there, and i was preparing for the transfer, i realized that i don’t have the first three books, the first three collections, all the rest are from my lifetime, there are many of them, there are favorites, i already mentioned a book that is the same age, yes, the same age, here is a book, this is a same age, 62, the publishing house molodaya gvardiya, there is a special book about sports, which is called not just sports, well

, and many other books, they are so warm, beautiful, you can immediately recognize the design, it is not wonderfully designed, it was a profession, it was such a mastery of design, like post-constructivist design, and there is an unpublished one, by the way, there is, of course, there is, there is no complete collection of works, there are the most famous poems, but there is this. a book, but it is not a complete collection of works, it is almost a complete, you could say, collection, but here are all his main poems and songs, here is the very last one, one of the last books alyoshkino thoughts, absolutely amazing, with such drawings, compiled by dad, so if anyone has children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren and and so on, i highly recommend watching this, and alyoshka, is this a coincidence or is it just your love, my son, yes, this is your son, who knew grandfather. dedicated to the grandson, and

what kind of robert ivanovich was in the family, we have already looked at the touching little book, now we will talk about what you already remember, yes, this is so important, so important, i believe that if he had not been a great poet, he would have remained a great man, because he was amazing, unique, kindest, helping everyone, that is the wonderful robert. ivanovich and the little girl, who is this? ksenia, my sister, yes, this is christmas, well, probably the seventies or the beginning of seventy-one, this is already me, yes, you see, he is still very young katerina robertovna, yes-yes-yes, they lived for 40 years with their mother, and i think that this was one of the greatest love stories of the twentieth century, which no one really knows, and which was not for show, well, you know, a happy family, equally happy, yes, all this is clear.

looked at him, and it was possible, well , look, absolutely, well, everything is clear, no this is his eternal look, she also does not need to explain anything, well then you understand, and these constant notes, dad, apparently, words were not enough for him, he left notes everywhere, there, let's say, in relation

to everyone, and what was there, let's say, mother-in-law, he wrote, no, mother-in-law wrote to him, because we sometimes find out how he was called in the family, i lived, she is a robochka, if you wake up i wonder, robochka, robochka, how is it to touch robochka, here is my mother-in-law, here is my grandmother, with whom before me, wake me up, i will cook you porridge, these are such small everyday things some moments, soup, soup, porridge, yes, well, it was all so kind, tender, and we were all immersed in it, of course , i miss it - when they left, i live with these memories, because this is what i want to rely on, what harmony, how it all is, how wonderful it all is, yes, it is so rare in our time, but i think that children are like that, because i can admit in front of witnesses, i am simply enchanted by our conversation, it is so easy, so natural, it is simply evident that you have a happy golden

childhood, of course not, well listen, they invested so much love in me. he knew how to say the most important things in simple words, what did not repel, but what immediately went into the blood, baby, i shake my head, i fly into the top, i am such a sad little thing, cold as an ice cube, but there is no point in sadness, and there is

no point in sadness, you love, you do not love, it does not matter, you deceived. well, we continue the conversation about the poetry of robert ivanovich rozhdestvensky, today we are talking with his daughter ekaterina robertovna rozhdestvenskaya, a writer, designer, photographer, translator, but the main thing after all, as ekaterina robertovna herself said, the daughter of a remarkable poet.

we are now in the middle of our program, our release, and yana. i remind you, although you, i hope, remember that this is 5 minutes of the author's column, that is, the host's column, and i do one of three, i show an old book, i read a poem or a quote from a classic of a prose nature, well, today, of course, i do two things at once, as it often happens, i pick up - a very important, illustrative book, this book is called drifting avenue, it was published by soviet writer, our experienced interlocutors on the other side of the screen or headphones, of course, know what the design looked like, soviet writer in the sixties fifties, this book is quite early, it is, if i 'm not mistaken, the fourth in a row 59, and

there are photographs that were sent by robert ivanovich of the north pole, that is , it's not only those. i'm mistaken, here is a poem that is called the same as the entire collection, and several fragments, a hydrologist tells me: look, the depth is 93, oh, i'm tired of one not changing depth, i'm not a newbie in this business, but my excitement, understand, we need to move forward, and we're spinning in place like a top.

well, i won't read the whole poem, only fragments, and i told the hydrologist then on the drifting avenue you live, you knew that the drift would not be smooth, you knew that things would come to a fight here, because the arctic makes its own amendments to human plans, now humbled, now suddenly becoming devilish, so that you can't raise your head, you yourself taught me that you need to talk to her formally, in these scattered expanses, we have too much work invested in order to give back everything that was taken with a fight, it is impossible to change the laws, to return to the past, even for a month, but the fact that we are spinning in place, this is ... maybe for acceleration, this is a very christmas poem, a very young christmas, young, but it is important that the emotions here seem to change,

pass into another, yes, first there is the enthusiasm of the sixties, the arctic with the north behind the fog, the taiga and so on, and then a purely philosophical reasoning, everything is very different, yes, that spinning in place is a race before the future and you can’t return the past, it would seem that i felt, of course, what does the arctic have to do with it, this is the miracle of robert rozhdestvensky's poems, which consists in the fact that inside the poem there is some kind of turning point, sometimes philologists call it a puand, this word is a point, this is also what a heel or a shoe is called, a toe - a ballerina's shoe, yes, here all this is a book. robert ivanovich rozhdestvensky's drifting avenue 59, a natural question about the sixties,

how did it all happen, well, how did this clip come together, well, the narrowest clip is rozhdestvensky, voznesensky, yakushenko, well, in in different versions, without extolling anyone, a little more broadly, sometimes akhmadulina is added, sometimes kudzhava is added, yes, but this is the canonical set, and poets.

these young guys, i think that they can be quite calmly called geniuses, they could not afford to put on the same level such a deserving person who went through the war, who is older, just yes, therefore he became decades later than the sixties, but he was somehow written in there - slutsky no, for example, yes, yes, no, well, that's still of course, akhmadulnaya is missing for the complete set, it will be a complete set. yes, a complete set of the

sixties, yeah, and your idea of ​​this era is somehow evolving, now you think a little differently or the same as then, because well, there are different opinions, yes, they should be different, of course, but i think that all the same, this is the christomathic concept of the sixties, no one else fits in there, because these guys were united, as it seems to me, by the fact that they were all very young and that they were brilliant, now already... you can say, they in life they were geniuses, now after so many years have passed they remain, and many may disagree with me, but i think they are geniuses, and i absolutely agree with you here, it is curious that in the 19th century there were the sixties, as a philologist i study this period, that is, in the 19th century there were completely different sixties, the poets of the sixties there were different, they were more for some kind of liberating social values, although... here social values, well yes, yes, we just saw in this poem, yes, and this is some kind of special the conjugation of the very personal and the general, and the general

is no longer. violent, like in the thirties, ostentatious, well, somehow oppressive, this is freedom, well, it seems to me, in general, well, our country is very rich in great poets, i don’t know why this is happening, or maybe the climate here is such that you can’t talk otherwise than in poetry, well, the north, well, yes, apparently you have to hold on somehow, so poetry is just born, and it seems to me that since the time of, say, pushkin, each era... has given birth to some great poet, but no one well, in my opinion, in all this history he didn't leave such a mark and didn't have such an influence as the sixties generation had on their contemporaries, maybe because there was television, maybe stadiums, stadiums, yes, naturally, but in any case the influence was enormous, well , this is really very important, because neither before nor after did anyone go to stadiums, you can't imagine on the wide.

dad used to say what a person with a foreign name of a priest's family could say, that is , that's all that's bad about both, period, i haven't read poetry yet, a priest's family name, wonderful, listen, but who would talk, anna andreyevna is

the most wonderful, respected, but she just grew up as a poet in a very difficult era, because balmont, severyanin, yesenin were already in soviet times, that is, well, that was all in the past of my youth, so in the sixties i decided so, but maybe the point was still that there was poetry, as they call it now, uncensored, which did not break through to print, eternal reproaches of those who were famous from those who were not known, but there was another series of poets, not younger, of course, but nevertheless, there were in petersburg lina shvartse krivulin, for example, there was brodsky, not in general it was a very rich decade, but they were not known, they still did not know brodsky, they did not know brodsky, well they knew, well they did not know as those sixties that we are talking about, it is impossible to imagine performances at the stadium of these poets, who, well they think that they themselves did not go to publish, yes, that this is well, as if the beginning of the quote in the asshole end of the quote.

an artificial attempt to rush to communism, which will be built under the current, yes in the sixty-first year, when i was born, khruchov proclaimed it, the current generation of soviet people. will live under communism, that is, this is some kind of false wave of enthusiasm, which is dangerous because it is sincere, which means invented from above, well, i know that dad was not at all kindly treated, that meeting with khrushchev, he suffered the only one of all the others, this is where khrushchev shouts at voznesensky, the famous scene, but they sent, you could say, father into exile, few people know about this, but in any case

in case during... from 24 hours he was banned from publishing on television, all opportunities to speak in public were closed, and he had to go to bishkek, where he became a translator, that is, he had to retrain a little, he didn't know how to do anything except work with words, but here too everything was fair, and i mean bishkek, well it wasn't beshkek, but fronze, of course, yes, it was the capital of the kirghiz ssr. that's why he suffered here and i don't remember him being gone for 3 years, it was all because he probably came sometimes and i was little but in any case, my mother told me the word link, she just used this term, yes, we continue our conversation about

robert rozhdestvensky. we are talking today with ekaterina robertovna, rozhdestvenskaya, the poet's daughter, we are talking about the poet's youth, about his such a beautiful, voluminous, bright debut in the sixties. this is some kind of craft, it seems to me that he is a poet and he writes not texts, but poems, yeah, now, by the way, my sister, she is doing - a big collection dedicated to my father's songs, so if you come across the book

such, this sister wrote about her father, amazing, this altai edition, absolutely amazing, i would be happy of course, let me just give you all of it, well, why not, wonderful, this is a know-how, for the first time. but you will be surprised how amazingly it is possible, you will be surprised that it is amazing to write, but it doesn’t matter, okay, the book is very fresh, so i haven’t seen it, yes, the book came out just in time for these readings in june , the book is from the twenty-fourth year, very fresh, so i am not ashamed not to know it, because that little girl, who sat in dad's arms, wow , i understand, i know, i probably know how to answer the question about songs , he had a... a very difficult childhood, his parents went to the front, his father was killed, yes, and he lived in an orphanage, but there was simply nowhere to go, no, but she was rushing around moscow , there was no one, she gave, i think the danilov monastery, there was a reception center,

the second part of it was a prison, but the most important thing is that there was a music school nearby, she had the opportunity to go there to study, and i think that this is exactly what... became the basis his perception of music, because he could speak the same language as composers, what did he play, he played the tuba, you know, a huge trumpet, yes, he played, i once found an accordion, already as an adult, and my dad started playing it so that it felt like he was rehearsing to show me on the accordion and the piano, that is, he didn’t know about...

probably his success with songs. so that was the basis, yeah , that’s why it’s important that with the composer one language, it is important that the basis and musical literacy, he absorbed all this in childhood, so apparently this explains his , well, still, there are not so many of them, well, in percentage, yes, well, how many songs have been written, no, a lot, a lot, well, under 200, i think, 200 songs, well, probably, there are just the most we can. there are songs simply, well, there are a lot of things like that, let's look at a fragment that you will recognize right there, they beat down, beat

down, tiredness is forgotten, trembles conceived from ... again hooves, like a heart beat, and we have no peace, pavino live, chase, chase, chase, chase in hot blood, chase, chase, chase, chase in hot blood, without a bullet in the leg and we must have time to kill. with slugs to finish the song, and we have no peace, koino live, chase, chase, chase, chase in hot blood, chase, chase, chase, chase in hot blood, that

's known to everyone, yes, but this is a trilogy, yes, to the elusive avenger, new adventures are elusive. poet anna arkatova, who has such a line, yes the word is not for long, we learned from them, this poem is dedicated to the meeting of stirlis with his wife, yeah, well famous scene, yes, in elefant with his wife, i remember it as if it were yesterday, i even remember this quatrain, there is such a word, a little colloquial, but it is appropriate here, nothing has ever hit me so hard, oh my god, oh my god, as always. they don’t hit me hard in elefant with his wife, that’s how it is,

that’s how amazing it is, so a person who hasn’t seen his wife there for years and years can look at her for a few minutes, well, and the word for a short time, we learned, of course, from robert rozhdestvensky, it’s a pity, by the way, that lioznova first ordered 12 songs for each episode, and there are left only five, that's where they went, these songs disappeared, i wrote 12 for all there was music by tereverdiev but my god those that survived have disappeared, they are of course forever five songs survived, they are forever and a moment songs about a distant homeland, there was also a song to a son, a song of a spy wife, that is, there was this whole confusion of compositions, well, the contact is essentially such, it's absolutely, we don't know a lot, there's a lot that is irreplaceable, well, i think that i think it's time to make a complete collection. you and ksenia robertovna need it address, because

rozhdestvensky's multi-volume edition should appear, well , there are not multi-volume editions, but they are academically commented on, i mean yes there are multi-volume editions, of course, by the way, about multi-volume editions, how do you - evaluate modern book publishing, in particular, is there a publication by robert ivanovich, by the way, we publish, but we do not publish the paipina books ourselves as a family. we put so much love into it, and i will simply show, show, of course, this book was, mom, when my father left, she began to draw naive pictures on the computer, alla kireeva and robert rozhde, here we published a little book, where her drawings and dad's poems, that is, she illustrated years later, probably 15 years after his death, here you are... such a book, it was a gift to my mother from

us, but the most important thing, i think, is that the book is called the last poems right after my father's death, this is a book that my father collected himself, these are really the most powerful poems of his that i have ever read, and we remember what my father's print runs were, there were millions, of course millions, yes, yes. we published it in 1994, 25,000, we sold the last book, we gave away a lot of it left and right, just - somewhere in the tenth year, in 2010, because it was not the time for poetry, but the book is really completely unique, very powerful, the same thing, so after all, when we put our soul into this business, it turns out much better than people... who just go to work, well, yes, use the name,

use some famous fragments, well, i think that we successfully, without collusion, complemented each other with books, i mean, because i had a whole library with us, yes we have a whole library on air today, uninhabited islands to a peer, these are the lifetime collections of robert rozhdestvensky, and this is a modern edition, which we saw today in the hands of the poet's daughter... it was also wonderfully told about what kind of love feeds them, it is not always like today, well, there are different conversations with descendants, heirs of famous people, geniuses, and today's conversation, of course, it is harmonious, it is organic, it is natural.

read with pleasure, dear friends. hello, this is the popular science podcast schlödinger's cat, and i am its host, the editor-in-chief of the magazine is also schlödinger's cat, grigory tarasevich, and today we will talk about a unique expedition from arkhangelsk to

siberia, about why wooden ships are built, our guest is evgeny shkoruba, captain. head of the pomor shipbuilding partnership shipyard, traveler, and in general a very colorful and interesting person. hello. evgeny, where is arkhangelsk, where is mongazey, why all this? arkhangelsk is somewhere north of moscow, about a thousand and something kilometers, well, and mangazeya was the first siberian polar city, which was located on the tas river, it is a tributary of the abi, and it was such a forward post of pioneers, industrial. bypassing the urals, bypassing yamal and coming to the western

european part of russia, the ship goes to siberia, siberia, almost to yenessey, yes, well , for the sake of... scale, you can look at us at the beginning there is a section that we passed last year in the fall from veliky useg to arkhangelsk along the northern dvina - this is 700 km, and 3.00 km from arkhangelsk along the white sea, you see, through the throat of the white sea, then through kanin peninsula, there is a portage, then past the cherskaya bay, the pomor strait, the yugorsky shar, this is very iconic. between the island of vaigach, then we go out into the kara sea, this is the byradskaya bay, and cross the yamal peninsula, there will also be a portage, but it does not take up all this length where there are three crosses, but there will be about 700 m, we will be portaged from one

lake to another, here we go out into the op, into the obskaya bay, further into the tazovskaya bay, here on the taz river we will find mangazeya where it was. it arose in 1601, it ended its existence in 1672, that is, it existed for 71 years, but it was so legendary that they still remember the evil-boiling mangazeya, such a well, in fact, almost mythical city, yes, this is a really very interesting story, because they came there by sea and in general there is a lot of unknown around, this arctic circle, when industrialists went there, why did they organize it there, well, it was convenient, probably, to come from the op river basin to the yenisei basin, that is, through the plateau, through volok they also passed there, well, there two huge territories were connected, in which there was, where there was a lot of sable, arctic fox, all these things that

are expensive, were valued at that time in europe and were valued in asia, eh, then they went there, well, and in general... well, if you look now at the udats, from the urals our pioneers reached all of eastern eurasia, in just one human century, in 50-60 years, imagine what kind of history could have affected some specific a man who crossed the urals as a child and reached the pacific ocean, passing all these huge siberian rivers, building boats, hunting for this...

yes, this is a similar boat, this is a karbas, in general , karbas in pomor language means a boat, it is built from boards, from kokor, this is a trunk , a large root, which bends like this, with them the wood fibers pass, when you make such an l-shaped element, it turns out that you do not cut, well, the strongest part of the tree, in fact, absolutely right, kokor, where these fibers are, they turn, they are generally mixed there. so this is the strongest part of the wood in the tree and we tried to process it somehow really very hard - well, here is such a simple boat - that has reached our time, that is, as we now know that - karbos began to be built at least 500 years

ago, at the very beginning of the development of the white sea, the arctic by russian pioneers, and of the many, of the dozens of ships that were created in the pomorie, the karbos is the only sea vessel that has reached us, therefore actually, we chose it on our trip to mangazeya. because it is an uninterrupted tradition, not really described, uh, not documented, uh, we built the first karbys in 1917, it was built for us by the keeper of this living tradition. what is interesting about karbas is the talent of the people in shipbuilding, who invented such a vessel, this is, in my opinion, a very russian phenomenon. karbo is built. only 2 weeks, the master goes to the forest, cuts down trees, kokury he does, he splits the boards, takes the branches, spruce,

he sews it all together, all these boards, that is, not a single nail, without nails, with one axe, then he drives out the resin from the remains of these roots, covers it like paint, that's it, the boat is ready, here you go, the preparation of the cocora, this is how we prepared the cocora for our carbos matera, it is big, you see, to find an even root that comes out in one axis of the tree trunk, well, you probably have to dig around like this, maybe 30 trunks, to find an even, good cocora, it's not that big it's complicated, here you can see a dutch castle, here 's one big kokora lying there, there will be a knife stem, and this is the stern, we call it a chock, here they are joined , it turns out like this... a u-shaped part, we call it a keel, this is the keel, the most important thing on a ship, the stem and the stern, this is the most

important part, this is how it is already joined here, you see, artem byvaltsev is our main specialist in shipbuilding, because now he is choosing a tongue and groove here, a tongue is the place where the boards are stuck so that they - they are fastened there, then... the bookmark is placed on the slipway, here it is already standing on the slipway, next to our shipyard in arkhangelsk, ready to start sheathing it, yes, but in order for us not to make a mistake with the size, with the width, with the shapes of the carbos, we made such a 3d model, a template is inserted, this is the template, temporary, uh, similar to frame-like such details. around which the boards will bend, and a bunch of battens come, batten boards -

this is the batten - this is what is battened, what makes, in fact, the sheathing, if the ship is built first, the whole island, all the frames, beams, the whole skeleton, which must hold everything that gives strength to the ship, when all this is ready, all these longitudinal transverse ties are installed, secured, practically goes, you see, lies horizontally, stem.