selective, well, i won’t call it impudence, yes, cynicism, but in general it’s such a selective crime, they understand against whom they can proclaim this at the moment, you’re right that it’s quite false for them against judaism, we won’t hide it here, yes, the lobby, everything else that is present in the same america or in europe, for now, probably, does not allow them to do this, but we understand where the source is, therefore, and this is the most terrible thing, when a person is impudent, ill-mannered, but... when he

selectively shows his ill-manneredness, impudence, this is a doubly dangerous person, because he does it consciously, there are people born there, well, and there are people who understand perfectly well what they are doing, therefore our answer is one: we must not only punish those guilty of this, but do it demonstratively, do it as quickly as possible and return to our people the ability to believe, well , to perform all the rituals associated with this faith, i was here.

you are very often forced to admit that not all wars end with the complete, unconditional surrender of the enemy. sometimes you have to go, and you talked about the first world war, how many different agreements preceded that war, sometimes you have to agree to a truce and some kind of short-term peace, you know, even when you look at the war 5 centuries bc in greece. i counted there, they agreed on a peri-truce seven times and then resumed the war seven times, and before the first world war there were also many different negotiations, i agree with you one hundred percent, with these people there can be some specific truces, that's a serious real peace without that they would change qualitatively, i personally do not see such a possibility. and i will tell you

more, i personally do not want such a possibility with these people, because these people, but they have already crossed, not just all the boundaries of decency, but they have crossed the boundaries of what we can tolerate while maintaining our sense of self-worth. i want to say once again that the war has become sacred for us, and all the more so in this regard we must pray.

in this case, we must not cross the line between hatred for the regime with which we are fighting, the enemy, and between the understanding that there people who are suffering are the same as us, and in many ways they now profess faith, like the first martyrs of christianity, so we must and they have the right to our support, of course, you wanted to tell us something, in your dispute with google, i wanted to say that another front of this war... is the information front, on this front, as we know, in russia, the internet giants of the west reigned, who did not pay attention to our legislation, closed and blocked, accordingly, all those who spoke meanings not censored by them, tsargrad began, started first, we were closed in 2020, after that we sued google and youtube in all the courts in russia, up to the supreme court.

google preferred to go bankrupt in russia, but not to start observing our law on freedom of speech, just to not give a platform to those who are not pleasing to them, and now ... when we went abroad with our lawsuits all over the world, because google is all over the world, google yesterday filed a lawsuit against us, our colleagues from russia today, in london and california, thereby once again demonstrating that it will not what the rest of the world is counting on, and it is going to sue and adopt documents prohibiting other countries from suing google, this is the new front that has been opened, and i think that on this front we are still...

openly calling for the strategic defeat of our country, but before we talk about this, i will ask you, professor luzyanin, why is prime minister modi going to kiev? we are leaving for advertising: the russian flag is more than 300 years old, it was established by peter ii on january 20, 1705, the arrangement of the stripes on... flags then explained the device peace, it is a colored cloth of white, blue , red colors, if there is a coat of arms on it, then it is not a flag, it is the standard of the president, in the west there is a single-headed eagle, in the east it is double-headed, it expresses the symphony between

secular and spiritual power. the monk told an amazing story, he got his hands on a new russian ruble, on which he saw a double-headed eagle without crowns without crosses, and he was upset and ... rumors about this crime are already circulating in the city, wherever you go, they say everywhere, women are lured into taxis and shot in the back, i i wanted to ask you about your find, this knot seemed very massive, although it was easy enough to break, you are worthy of

great honor, moles, honor and trust of the reich, remember this, after the war i was looking for my son's comrades-in-arms, what happened there at the end of the war, and anything could have happened there , you don't have a photo of kolya? strange, where are they? were they here? lord, how similar he is to my son, you are the only real witness, the only person he came to openly. well, major, has the hunt begun? confrontation, premiere of legendary book by yulian semenov. there is a big game on the air, in the fight for world public opinion, india plays a very

big role, plays a big role due to its objective significance, because it carefully adheres to its line of neutrality. because president zelensky is very actively courting india, trying to attract them to his side as much as possible, now we have received a message that prime minister modi is literally visiting kiev in a few days, what does this mean? well, a formal picture, if you look at it like this, how without going into depth, and analysts, well , let's say, zelensky is disappointed in china. calls for fashion to conduct a dialogue with him, but this is an absolutely formal picture that does not reflect reality, in fact, it seems to me, there are two points here, well, on the one hand , we know that india's relations with the united states are very strong, strategic, deep, there is a certain, so to speak, mutual influence on

the ukrainian track, on the other hand, we also know that relations between china and india , to put it mildly, are complicated, to put it mildly, despite the fact that they are in brics in sco, but... the bilateral format is quite contradictory, while modi sees that china has informally taken a leading position on peace initiatives, which are of course impossible today, understandably in the conditions of kursk. adventures, but there is a brazilian one, there is a chinese peace plan, and there is no indian one in principle, but given that today it is impossible not to position yourself somehow on the ukrainian track in one form or another, and india claims to be a great country, like a great power, it does not put forward a peace plan, but it says, it says to mod, we will intermediaries, they say, we will not be, or rather intermediaries, and we will be, in quotes , some kind of postman, that is, i don’t know what kind of letter, they will take it to moscow, there is nothing to write there. but in the conditions, especially the current crisis, but formally the fashion flies to china, does not say that he will be an intermediary

, but will transmit some signals, yes, some signals to kiev, excuse me, of course, flies to kiev, to transmit so that the letter, or more precisely some signals to putin, maybe to someone else, although the signals themselves are doomed to an absolute dead end, that is, what does this mean, this means that india at least this way, at least that way, he also positions himself. in this matter, in this form, as if, well, if not a mediator, then such a negotiator , such a transmission of signals, transmission, i understand correctly that in fashion, as far as we know him, and we have known him for several years as the head of india, he is not the kind of person who is easy to pressure and who can be easily charmed, absolutely, absolutely, he is an absolutely self-sufficient politician, behind him is a powerful economy, a great power, this is... but he is playing his game on the ukrainian track, this is absolutely right, here there is precisely a desire

to compete with china, which, well , in fact, as i said, has a peace plan, which has not been implemented yet, but it is a kind of standby in reserve, that is why there is a problem, but of course, this does not violate russian-indian relations, russian-indian strategic partnership - this is the right of deli, this is the right of fashion, how to say it, to have its own views with...

i would be glad to serve, to fawn too, excuse me, i will say this again, and i wanted to live by the principle, i would be glad to serve, to fawn exactly, but when i look at the actions of these otezhanty now, it seems to me that they have put themselves in a completely different category, in the category of not people who criticize the russian government, and certainly not just people who left.

in the ssu in the border zones, in the border

regions, are a continuation of that just war, and now let's listen to the former state duma deputy, gospodarev, maybe you even knew him, let's listen, if as a result of this operation long-term control will be established over territories, and for now it looks like this... maybe it will be done, then this is of course a direct path to creating an alternative government in russia, and then this will be a powerful blow. to the stability of putin's regime, what to do with such people, let them flounder, nothing, well, of course, i would like to say, destroy them, but they can catch them, you just started by mentioning your example, and these people, but it is simply unworthy to compare them, because our country experienced different waves,

people left at different times, but i i think that most of those who left, they had the right to their... principles, but still, if we look at history, it has put many things in their place, but the main thing is that these people managed to make it there in the west, despite the fact that they had political disagreements here, they were still individuals, what left, i apologize, well, this is not the place to discuss it, they, their only source of appearance in the information field at all is serving western masters, and of course, this is unworthy. neither of them, nor of those, who feeds them, so i wouldn't devote, maybe, a lot of time to them, but on the other hand, you're right that this can't be avoided, and the only thing that can be wished for all of us is that as soon as possible, punishment overtakes these people, whatever it will be, well, that's also the will of god, well, our efforts are small, that's why i think that in this case they are not

even worthy of being called former, well, former... citizens of russia, today they have broken away from their homeland, from its origins, from the cultural values ​​of everything else, and they bring evil, evil to themselves, evil to those who bring them surrounds us, i hope they won't be able to bring it to us, those of them who are simply angry, even if they are angry very loudly and disgustingly, i would kind of allow them to be angry, although of course it is very disgusting, and u...

dreams that something threatened them, who of them was threatened with what, we all know them, here we are, in general, those present here probably know them personally, and we know that they lived happily ever after, nothing threatened them here, unlike the white officers, members of their families, who were shot in connection with class terror, simply for belonging, therefore these are completely different people, when they left there, i will say again they left because they left from the physical.

and they considered that the fight against the reds should be continued regardless of what these reds say, at the moment when the reds had already become russia, some, like count ignatiev , recognized them and gave all the gold that they had, and which they could not give to this new state, considering that this is russia, someone, accordingly, like otaman krasnov, considered that no, we will fight them, this is a tragedy of the russian people, then what was happening now then, now it is unfortunately a farce, because no one... investigated them, they did not leave from physical destruction, they did not fight in some kind of patriotic war, the first world war, they did not risk their lives for their homeland, but...

that, although it is disgusting, very disgusting, but serious real harm, this crowd does not cause yet, but if it does,

we'll see, it was a big game, we'll meet tomorrow on the air. hello, this is the lenshtein witnesses podcast and we are its host, film historians natalia ryabchikova and stanislav dizinsky. we talk about who and how filmed cult, classic, forgotten, unknown soviet films. this is a school for moviegoers, where we reveal the secrets of film archives and talk about why we need to watch soviet cinema now, how to better understand it and how to get even more pleasure from it. our podcast is already a year old, and all this year we have been waiting, we hoped

that a very special guest would come to us, a real witness of isenstein, and today he is finally with us in our studio, and this andrei sergeyevich konchalovsky. hello, we really wanted to talk to you, using our official position and the opportunity about you.

we must be afraid to take, to quote, here are the shnitki, please, endless quotes, wonderful music, and of course, eh, ours is this happiness that we had the opportunity then to go with starkovskiy together to the state cinema to watch kurosawa, fillini, these, these great, perhaps the last geniuses of cinema, in my opinion, you understand, the language of cinema, as the whole world develops, reaches its

culmination and then begins to die, these great directors of that time, the sixties, it was, firstly, a time when... cinema stopped looking for itself, that's what it means to look for yourself, because as

the great director said... it's very important not to make a mistake in what you show, but it's even more important not to make a mistake in what you don't show. cinema is interesting because, firstly, it's a captured moment, stop the moment, you are wonderful, on the one hand, on the other hand, the hero who comes out of... continues to exist, and you can not show some things, but understand perfectly, you know, you can be in the next room and perceive the scene that is happening behind the wall, in all its power, this is the magic of editing, life between the frames too, life is important in any frame, even when nothing is happening there, you know,

this is a very interesting phenomenon. i am kind of puzzled, intrigued, and i wanted to ask about, excuse me, please, but simply taking advantage of the opportunity, i wanted to show the audience one of your unrealized plans, this is what it looks like, this is torkovsky's handwriting, this is the handwriting of andreyevich torkovsky, but this is your joint work with him, the script antarctica is a distant country, which was published in the sixty-third year as a short excerpt in the newspaper moskovsky komsama.

to be inspired to create, to steal, yes, where did you steal from, andrey sergeyevich, tell us, from which directors, no, here, here there are, two different hypostases, the first hypostasis is a literary concept, and literary work in cinematography is extremely complex.

calculating episodes is incredible to watch the feeling of absolute truth, that's why here these recipes are how to get to the city center quickly and economically, here is a gps, without recipes you go through vegetable gardens until you stumble upon the city center, you understand, when we

wrote... "we also studied drama, practically studied, together with andrey we kind of sniffed every corner, like young dogs, and tried, like dogs run, like that, it's not like running, therefore, the search for drama, what's interesting, i wouldn't write it like that now , like, like antarctica is a country, i would write in..." something completely different and this, this is our first script, the first before you took it on for ivan's childhood, the whole press wrote about antarctica, and andrey kopitsa was in antarctica, petr leonidovich's son, the youngest, and antarctica was generally there all the time then, there were tractor hikes, we were just so carried away

by the idea of... that let's write, so when we were writing, we actually, frankly speaking, tortured everything, we didn't really know the laws of drama yet, what's going on? first you have to do something, here's the story of ivan's childhood, we knocked together a script in 2 weeks, i don't even know, it was such ease, ease of thought, incredible, and in itself

to myself in general this is what i think, there was some degree of discovery of ivan's childhood for both of us. with these dreams with everyone and so on, therefore andrei of course blew up cinematography with his vision, he of course was under the great influence of buñuel already then. deeply, of course, if the well is very deep, then even on the sunniest day you can see a star in it, what kind of star, yes

any, i see, mom, i see, yes, yes, there it is, and why it, because for it now is night. so it came out as night, but is it now night, now is day, for you day, for me day, and for her it's night, and are you rewatching ivan's childhood now or have you been rewatching it since the sixties, well i can't say that i'm rewatching it, so i'm rewatching it.

eh, kabiri's nights, these are films that you watch like music.

we argued to the point of fighting, but that was later, at first we went in tandem, and then we began to diverge in a certain sense, but that's natural, because he started before me, his style was developing by the time i was just sniffing around the corners, you know, that's why, but i'm very i am grateful to fate that... he and i, that he and i got along for a few years and lived, lived as if by the same ideas, and then we began to drift apart, that's normal, he had other uh guidelines, i started

arguing with him, and he threw me out of the editing room, i said, this needs to be cut, this is unthinkable, and he said, i said, cut to ivanov 's childhood. already already to ivanov's childhood, we almost got into a fight, he said, i don't anymore, he said: go away, i don't want to see you, don't come back at all, there were only such quarrels, but... it's normal, because everyone had their own vision. and what is your favorite tarkovsky film? you know, i think andrei was going in a certain direction, which was alien to me. yeah, he was sure that... time can be captured, and i

never believed in it, at first i paid tribute to the teacher in the first long shot, and then i realized that it was not for me, everything began to change, after all, i am a musician, time for me must flow, and there is what is called in english fluidity, suicidal mercilessness to himself to the viewer, this is his strength, but by the way, you both worked with artemyev and worked with dvigubsky, when you talk about the passage of time, for example, in the mirror torkovsky wrote: that dvigubsky made him some incredible decorations for the apartment, where

, as it were, the main character, yes, that everyone came to look at the pavilion, how the wallpaper peels off, the texture, yes, this is also time, yes, and your dvigubsky worked just at siberiade and created time in the frame too, it turns out that space is like time, well, textures, textures in cinematography in general only began... great cinema, where you take the texture, what is there,

but the aestheticization of the texture also happened, his, andriy arsenevich's texture was very strong in stalker, very strong in his in his middle films in the last picture he already became interested in some kind of eternity. here are his short films and red balls.

then i remember how we were at the festival watching kubrick 2001, and didn't have, andrei said, yes, we need to do something like that and solaris arose, it's... he clearly wanted to answer kubrick, well, kubrick was in that sense

very strange, great innovator, all his films were always going in an unknown direction, starting with lalita, an unknown direction, no one knew what would happen next, i remind you that this is a podcast witnessing liesenstein, and today we are communicating:

a very subtle, deep film, even then american cinema was saturated with europe, pialdér is generally a european,

fran, where are you, fran?.

cinema, i talked with billy walder and with huston and with fillini and with antonioni and with kurasama, all of them were for me some kind of - well, unattainable giants, like you are now for us, i don't know, hardly, i don't think anything, that i discovered something, those people discovered.

we have wonderful films, the cranes are flying, communist, a grandiose film, raizman, grandiose with urbansky with zhenya, blalada o soldier, these are great films, great films, i think that of course, here is chukhrai amazing, amazing cinema.

early lesha german, wonderful, operation happy new year, that was the working title, if we speak, of course, my friend.

a very sad person to be able to write so cheerfully, i would say so. you have favorite comedy of gaidai? ivan vasilyevich my profession, just grandiose, i think, grandiose, absolutely. talk, at least you with me, girlfriend, seven-string, all soul, fell on you, but, but, and night, like ...

clownady in its purest form, and of course, i think, and this genre, this is the genre of the circus, this is the genre that i think that this picture does not die and will not die, because it is not fashionable. it is not very beautiful at all, it is not filmed very well, this is some kind of no compositions, no refinements, it is just healthy, guttural laughter,

which is necessary for a person. i remind you that this is a podcast witness of lizenshtein, and today our guest is a real witness of lizenshtein, andrei sergeyevich konchalovsky, who met this director at the age of 5. and we are talking about favorite films. on tv somewhere around the new year, well, plus there was the runaway train, because it was shown there, too, snow, also, as if in general, well, not christmas, but there is something close.