this is some kind of no compositions, no sophistication, it's just healthy, guttural laughter that a person needs. i remind you that this is a podcast of renstein's witnesses, and today our guest is a real witness of lizenshtein, andrei sergeyevich konchalovsky, who met this director at the age of 5. and we are talking about andrei sergeyevich's favorite films and the directors who shot them. for me , surprisingly, the new year's film in my childhood in the nineties was runaway train, because it was shown on tv somewhere around new year, well plus there was snow there too, also like in general, well not christmas, but there was something close.

the runaway train came about because kopala called me, he knew that i had shot a film, i had no work, he said, listen, there is a script by kurasawa, here... here is takera asking

me to find a director for opal, he stayed in america, the script stayed in america, i almost fell off my chair, kurasawa, and then for me it was a god and still a god, in general i took the script, i said, ready, without reading, then i read the script, the script was absolutely brilliant, well, you see, i reworked it and it became not as perfect as... what that script was in my opinion, because it had a much sharper plot, a sharp plot, it was necessary to create an escape from prison and so on, that is, we thought about how to do it so that the americans would agree to finance such a picture, but it turned out interesting, if there is something better in this film, then i think it is the spirit...

"bergman came, kurosawa came, buñuel, everyone was there, but no one could work with hollywood cinema, no one, everyone fled, because it is the cinema of producers and box office receipts, and of course, neither fellini nor bergman could even imagine that, and even more so kurosawa too, in fact, he came to the soviet union after that." yes, but the soviet union gave him complete freedom, we edited at the same time, i edited for myself in a row, and he edited the back in the hall, we just, i didn’t know him then, i wasn’t familiar, and he sat, smoked, there in the smoking room, always smoked, i sit there like a fool, yes, that is, you didn’t try to approach, no, i was very rabel, i was afraid of him, well , god. god, that is, it turns out, all other

things being equal, in the soviet union it was easier to film at some points, because the state provided the director with all the resources of the budget. it was not a problem at all, well , they called me to the management, they said, look, you have an overspending of outrages, you still need to give you money, well, and no one in russian, in soviet cinema, no one thought about profits at all, this did not exist, now, unfortunately, this is becoming the rule, the producer is becoming a dictator in our cinema, that's why no one will work with me... applications that you prepared in the soviet years, in the soviet era, in the sixties, seventies, i came across a mention of the idea of ​​chelkunchik, a film adaptation, which then, apparently, according to the documents, could possibly have been released, but of course, you had

many applications there, one application by onikrasov and some others, i came across a variety of them, maybe you've already forgotten, dubrovsky, dubrovsky, for example, there was such a project, i'll tell you. all of this was there, all of these themes, it was a desire to film something with the italians or the french, to go abroad, i really wanted to go abroad, they only let you go abroad with a visiting commission of the district party committee and in general, suddenly a joint production, who got a joint one, people's, there chukhrai got it, i think, well bondarchuk, the famous one, you know, there were such productions, gerasimov's... that's when i wanted to do something together, that's why the italians also wanted to film dubrovsky, in general i wanted a soviet person to go abroad, that's where it all came from, eldar

rezanov also ended up filming with italians, yes, yes, in general, a joint production was the dream of any soviet director, because it was possible to go abroad. which turned exactly one year old since it went on air, all the episodes of our podcast for this year can be viewed on the website 1tv.ru,

hello, this is a psyche podcast and we continue. the most difficult situations to look for solutions where it would seem that they may no longer exist. each of us has probably experienced this unpleasant feeling of wasted wasted time on social networks. our heroine today came to us with exactly this request. marina suffers from addiction to social networks, practicing clinical psychologist olga savkin will try to understand marina's situation and i hope to give. such recommendations that will be useful to each of us. so, have you discovered that you are addicted? the thing is, i noticed that i wake up, immediately pick up my phone, fall asleep with my phone, and for a long time i didn't even think about the fact that this is somehow not

so, that this is something wrong. i'm not sure now that i can say clearly, i'm sure, i still can't diagnose myself, i can't call it an addiction, this should be done by a specially trained person. but i can clearly say that phones, social networks in particular, have started to interfere with my everyday life, so let's try to figure out how this happens, can you describe to us your typical day, i wake up, pick up my phone, go to social networks, scroll through the feed and videos just to get things done faster, faster somehow, i i don't know why, it happens that i'm like this, i need to wash my face, and now i go downstairs, sit down on the sofa and i'm like, well, now another 5 minutes, and again you take out your phone, that is, yes , i continue, i think, now just a little bit more, i washed my face, i sit down again like this, now i still want to sleep, and it seems to you that you're a little bit relaxed when

you scroll through your feed, and the moment is such that of course, when i go to the shower, i don't scroll through my feed, thank god, but it's imperative that i have music playing. or some podcast is on, in general, here in silence, it is very difficult for me to remain, that is, as if you envelop yourself in this informational cocoon. and from there gradually, the more, well , the projects became, the greater this dependence became. olga, well, what,

a familiar story, from the point of view of the requests with which people come to you. it seems to me that at the moment in our modern times, for every person, this is a very familiar story. yeah. yes, of course, i have a question. i heard, natalia, when you pronounced such a preamble, you said, that marina suffers. and i really want to ask, marina, do you suffer? this or is it a thrill after all, because when you get stuck in the morning, just a little bit, and your eyes are closed, and your body has demonstrated this pleasure, what is the suffering, actually? by the way, i was thinking about this, about whether i really suffer, and as if, well, in fact, no, it really is pleasure and joy and so on, but when i understand that it interferes, that is, i can be more productive, i can enjoy myself in a different way, get pleasure from life in some other ways, can you, in fact i can, but for some reason, uh, go to

some exhibition or somewhere, it ’s like, when i’m already there in the process, i get high, i return home, well, somehow i even remember, again all the time thinking about the fact that damn, i took some pictures and filmed there, that’s great, now i’d like to edit it like this, like this, and it will collect so much of everything, that is, it’s always like this red line in my... is present, but i understand that that high from some of these more deep things, than just these clickable things, it is longer, and it really is somehow, well, i don’t know, you can touch it, but it’s the easiest and fastest, for me , if i’m stressed or there, well, i don’t know, yes , always, if i feel good, if i’m sad, if i’m happy, that is, it’s always social networks, marin, tell me, please, and the problem that interferes, if you imagine... for a second, that it ’s no longer there, like, it’s really no longer there, and what will happen in life then? well, i don’t know,

the first thing that comes to my mind is this, i am outside the information field, i will not be able to find out anything about my, for example, the same acquaintances, i will somehow be outside the trends, i will not find out, i will not grab, and if we assume that everything remains as it is, we came to the program today. you had a great time, you got some kind of new - joyful hormonal reinforcement, posted a lot of stories from here, naturally, of course, well, that's it, all needs are closed in our modernity, and nothing happens further, and what will happen then if you do not solve this problem, what will happen to life further? most likely, it will just be very monotonous always, that is, i - in general, if you remember, well, there the past... week, the past 2-3 weeks, morning evening definitely always start and end

the same, in fact, it is precisely the monotony and precisely this moment that you are wasting your life, it is very scary, it turns out that it always seems to us that it is endless, we probably do not think about the fact that this can happen, well, that it is given to us as if for a limited period, and well, then besides... didn't do or couldn't remove some, well some, as it would seem, nonsense, but which is something that you just later regret that you something takes up a huge amount of your daily life, takes up a huge amount of time, well, you don't want to just sit and watch and think, oh my god, can i ask you, marina, now when you give your speech, could you appropriate to yourself what you are talking about, this means i position, that is, i...

this is some kind of disconnection from yourself, which naturally does not cause us emotional reaction that gives us that very decision that we need to make, or that very insight, yes, that is, it’s like... it’s not about me, i sympathize with someone from a distance, maybe even as an intelligent, well-mannered person, i empathize, i sympathize, but it’s not about me, that’s probably a short version of the answer to the question, what will happen to your life if everything remains the same, only from my position, i ’ll screw it up, firstly, talentlessly, yes, everything will pass by, and absolutely, well, in fact, i

will feel 100% unhappy, and 100% i will think about what... why, well, just sometimes, well, somehow, if i remember, there are literally events there, for 3 years in a row you spent on something, i spent, i spent on something, that now i’m sitting here, thinking, why and i don’t want, well, there are social networks, if i understand that i’m in about the same story as 3 years ago, why do i need this, if in the end i don’t know how long later, but i will look back and say: well, how was it possible, when the weather is so beautiful, until 2:00 in the afternoon day off scrolling through the feed, if it were possible to go for a walk, everything is fine with you, please go, have fun and all that, but still i'm like, well yeah, now, now just a little bit more, just this little bit more, just a little bit more, and i just don't want

the moment to come later when this little bit is already over, and i... so i'm left like this in this position, yeah, and what's the worst thing to miss? your own realization, really? oh, how so? and it's happening right now, from morning till night, realization, i wake up in the morning, take my phone and think, i need to something not to miss, but at the same time i am afraid of the same thing at the end of my life, i heard correctly, perhaps, but there is a nuance. when well, here is my profession, yes, that is , i communicate with people and promote something just through social networks for them, that is , either there are businesses or personal brands and so on, when i do this for them, i fully , well, invest with great pleasure, tracking for them just all those trends that i am so afraid to miss, but there is a moment that i have

such a desire to do this with myself, yes, my that's how they realized themselves through these very social networks and the manifestation of something through them, but every time i want something, i take it and say, that's it, from today i won't just scroll the feed, i'm working on creating content, that is, i give it, and don't consume it, as soon as i say this to myself, anything happens to me , i have oh, god, it hurts a little, now we'll scroll through it, it will pass, oh, i'm still there, that is, this... i don't know how to explain it in fact, but i, as soon as i need to accept this is exactly the solution that i want, really really badly, but some kind of stupor occurs, that i turn here, like, well now, time flies by very quickly, that is , i don’t even notice that an hour and a half or two hours can pass there, let’s ask olga about this, from the point of view of physiology or

neurophysiology, what’s happening with marina, yes with each of us, with those who are stuck on... a series on small videos, on some kind of tape, because there is a feeling that we are not quite in control of this situation, well, or something, consciously, as if some deep biochemical processes rule us at this moment, thank you for the question, it basically contains the answer, and of course, this is a very beautiful, tasty story with defamine, defamine is a neurotransmitter and a hormone that... actually, a helps us feel pleasure and a helps us reach the next neurotransmitter of the hormone serotonin, the hormone of joy. defamine was once evolutionarily given to us so that we could focus, collect our body, show some kind of reaction and get ourselves, well , at least food or water, yes, and received

pleasure. remember, when you're thirsty, when you drink, what are you, what are you doing at that moment, right? oh! how good, that's how good, that's exactly what dopamine addiction is, in fact, because, yeah, we very quickly, if we're talking about physiology, due to bright pictures, due to the rapid change of some information, very superficially, really, we need to mention this, because everything that you and i quickly flip through is stored only in short-term memory, in long-term...

an urgent injection of joy, you kind of consoled yourself, yes, you consoled yourself with this forbidden piece, the most interesting thing is that the more you think about the fact that i should lead a healthy lifestyle, i should not snack, i should not eat what i should not eat, the sweeter the pleasure that you get from the forbidden fruit, it turns out that it is the same here, no matter how much marina said to herself that her life is passing, that half a day flew by instead of a park or an exhibition, all the same this shameful pleasure not only remains, probably gives more and more of that very thing dopamine release, which

only tells us about, of course, this is in fact quite often such compulsive behavior, this is an obsessive idea to do something, for example, to eat something tasty, yes, or to get into social networks, but when it comes to eating behavior, i have ... some real fear, i will become, let's say, a certain size, i will not be able to wear some beautiful things and so on, i can have diabetes, for example, yes, there you can very well, logically spin from our examples with you, which we clearly see, well, that is, you mean that a person understands what it leads to , so he can, he can stop, because he understands what it leads to, yes, and well, that is, moreover, what can be felt , of course, naturally, well, that is, my neighbor petrovna. she ate a lot, that happened to her, here is a real example, and what will happen to us if we do not get out of social networks, or an alcoholic is afraid to drink himself to the point of hell, for example, he is afraid, yes,

or to freeze there in the snow, in a snowdrift, well, at least some horror stories, but here it turns out there are no scares, well yes, it even turns out that this moment of life is being wasted, you still can’t, well well somewhere viktor frankl is crying, yes, who would be very useful now in this search for the meaning of life, yes, but in general... this worries you very speculatively, yeah, but here, i’ve already noticed, in this conversation absolutely precisely, and there is a certain point that i would like to talk about, i want to present not clients, myself, that’s right, i heard, yeah, that is, it’s about self-presentation, yeah, why do we need it present myself in a modern way, so that i am recognized, so that i can see love, this is what they are looking for... all alcoholics, people who suffer from chemical addiction, these are actually all behavioral addictions, we go where it was once lacking, and

now i am trying to compensate for it in some very fast, convenient way, and this will be the illusion of recognition, as for my own manifestation in society, yes, i have some of my own goals, ambitions, and this has been since childhood, when likes, comments, everything else, well, in mind... there weren't any, now, when i understand why i need to do certain actions specifically for myself, and not for the client, i specifically lack regularity, consistency, constancy, in general, the point is how to distinguish the moment, i'm confused about where this lack of love is, and where we only look at likes, and where exactly is the moment of this realization of how you see it and how you want to see yourself there , conditionally, in some years. and-e connected is it also with some kind of dislike or maybe there is some kind of practicality and you want this ambition, but there is

still something that likes.

the answer is you can ask yourself the question, am i wasting my life right now or not, yeah, yes, that is, but she should want to ask herself this question already at this moment, when she is absorbed, for example, in short videos, of course, naturally, how to do this, write to yourself i don’t know, a piece of paper that i woke up in the morning, and you saw it, of course, in fact, if we knew the final now the target picture, where i want to go, in fact, well, or i... it would be easier to build a route, naturally, like a gps point, which we set as the final one, or we get into a taxi, we say, please take me to such and such an address, if we don’t tell the taxi driver the address, he will drive us in circles, making money off of us, yeah, in the end we will just lose a lot of time, we will never arrive at the final point, because we didn’t name it, so if we know

our gps point exactly, we can... build it there route, how far should this point be, this point should be, here is today, today i, for example, look at social networks not for work, there is no more than an hour, or this is some point there in 10 years, yes, in 10 years i am so successful there and so on, i overcame my addiction a long time ago, this is the scale, this is the approximation, i suggest going back, that is , putting a global point, yes, the most, most important one, everything that i want to get here is in that. not directly take and for yourself ideally you mean here is my ideal yes my ideal day, which i want to get there, let's say in 50 years, go back, go back, and what do i want to get 10 years ago, and another 10 years ago, and another 10, so five times, yes, what do i want, where do i want to be, at what route intermediate point do i want to stand, then , for example, you and i took 50 years. yes,

we built several decades ago, then for every 10 years we build even smaller steps, yes, that is, for each year, what do i want to come to here, what do i want to come to here, and then we get to the day, and what do i want to come to this point to do today, and what do i want, i want to wake up in the morning and be without a phone for exactly 60 minutes, yeah. yeah, and if without a phone, then how is that, with what do i want to be or with whom? i now, in fact, have an answer, because once i practiced these morning rituals of mine, it brought me great pleasure and resources, and i really left the house with the idea that i would now simply move mountains, the world and well, again

for rituals, tell me? these have always been fifteen-minute meditations, but when i set myself the goal of practicing these morning rituals, devoting morning hours specifically to myself, i made a screen recording, woke up, i have it in sleep mode, i did not remove it until this happens, that is, in fact, i turned on the screen recording video, meditations play, that is, these 15 minutes are just me, this voice and my well-space, then beauty rituals - these are some very basic exercises, very basic some kind of care, well, it would seem, even now i i'm talking about this, i want to ask myself , why aren't we doing this now, what happened? and who are we? oh, that was great just now, who are we, who are we? and who are we, i don't know, i always say that, yes-yes-yes, and how many of you are there, there are many of us, as we see, well , great, maybe it 's just that some role, it's the leading one, who are we?

i don't know, it's a difficult time, i was discouraged, well, that is, i understand that there is marina, who is helplessly stuck in this endless stream of videos, yes, and there is a successful, collected, conscious marina, who woke up, so. and this answer, by the way, today, well, for now, excuse the backstory, but it's important, in general, while i was walking to the train in st. petersburg, i was talking to my dad, and i explained the situation to him, that i 'm going to a shoot now, i'm very interested in it and i want to, but i need to skip work for 2 days, so to speak, and i was so worried, how is this possible, how can i afford it, although , well, in general, everyone has an adequate attitude to this. and i explain to him, i say, and i scolded myself for this and was so anxious, and then it was as if some other part of me took me by the hand, said: calm down, and i calmed down, and he says to me, well, how much is this possible, we've already talked about this 100 times, you can allow yourself to do whatever you want,

well, something like that, what a great dad you have, yes, but we really had a situation there again connected with this super-dependent person, where we really united and started to discuss all this, that is, they support me very much. if we are talking about we, then most likely this is the answer, yes, olga, do i understand correctly that this is usually what they teach clients, yes, yes, and marina herself is like, well, this technique, yes, when there is me as an adult, i am a child, and there are some

special relationships built to solve different problems, and it turns out that you yourself have recovered before this, yes, and this morning, this is the first time i have such a thing, great, in fact, the psyche, when it prepares for a meeting with a psychologist, already begins to come. this is a psyche podcast, please watch all the episodes of our podcast on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru. i really liked what you offered marina, i would like us to you, marin, tried to bring it to some kind of maximum. olga suggested that you imagine yourself at some kind of peak point, that's when you reached some kind of yours.

in general, you didn't open your mouth, behind you there are huge screens with your photos, with your presentation, now i'm going to fall into a stupor, this is what i want, but not a producer, yes, and you say, you know, friends, 30 years ago, about the same morning i made a decision for myself that i would not look at the phone screen more than 10 minutes an hour. that's how my success story began, i feel freedom, i don’t know how to explain it, and what, that’s just what comes to mind, i feel freedom, i feel some kind of moment, phew , yeah, hurray, i did it, i got there, i did

it, yeah, what, well, finally, wow, and it’s not in the sense of finally, i’ve been listening for so long, just like that, and by the way, it ’s as if you even helped me find the answer to the question: why do i need what we started with, where did we start, and why do i need to get rid of social networks, it’s as if i have an answer right now, i really like it, and can you describe it exactly, here you are standing on this stage, i... i practically even saw the color of the clothes, i really want to check, do you know what fashion will be like in 30 years, or what? no, i can imagine, just based on the expectations that are broadcast on social networks, yeah, yeah, what kind of stage are you on, so, well, first of all, i have a healthy weight, and super, yeah, yeah, i have a different hair color, it's light and kind of closer to mine, but not exactly mine, but there, closer there, yeah. so oh well, my hair is still long,

about clothes, by the way, i can't imagine exactly the style and so on, it's definitely not red, yeah, that's for sure, well, what are you like? i look expensive, tasteful, without any kind of conventional blackness, and i feel, i feel very confident, very free, i want, i want, well, in fact, i want to enter into a dialogue with people who... now there and i want to share something useful, but i can't say what, well, i want to enter into a dialogue with them and for it to be useful to them, i'm proud of myself, i i am grateful to myself for the fact that 30 years ago, yes, i am grateful to myself for the fact that 30 years ago i pulled myself together and was able to, well, how can i say it? that i now control my life, i control

my presence in the social field, in social networks, and even here next to me, now today we somehow got to the bottom of it, that now next to me there is precisely food, how to say food, eating disorder and social networks, they are not even parallel, they are just like that together, and because well, yes, if we are now discussing and i am dreaming, it turns out that i am the first...

somehow we were able to turn some switch of your life, well, we will be pleased in 30 years, very much, i would like to share several recommendations that seemed universal to me, here , olga, i am interested in your opinion, what our colleagues advise us, how we can help ourselves reduce our dependence. from social networks the first thing is to try to turn off notifications, well, when you know, such announcements come that a new message has arrived, some channel has been updated, then you need to set a time limit for yourself, to strive for it, maybe it won't work right away, but nevertheless, a cruel measure, marin, to delete the application? advice that i don't

know how to follow, it sounds like this: keep yourself busy, well, that is, keep yourself busy with something else, grow flowers, chat on the phone, i don't know, vacuum, probably, something like that, come up with your own reward system, well, for example, an exhibition or a ticket to some... concert or a new dress, well, something like that, i think that each person can have their own reward system, you just need to think about it. a few more pieces of advice, never carry a mobile phone, do not take a bathtub with you into the toilet room. psychologists advise this, they draw conclusions, apparently, based on some - in general, researched situations. find someone who will support you , a partner, a friend, a sister, a brother,

a husband, a mother, who suffers from the same addiction, because it will be easier to do it together, three of you, every week conduct such self-reflection, how did you manage to do it for in order to understand, even if just a little, but i have advanced, how do you like such advice, well , excellent advice, you need to start with this, yes, this is all that is absolutely necessary. i hope to say, but i have a feeling that i am sure that yes, oh, but can i do without i have a feeling, just shorten the route, i am sure that it will change, because i have now come to the realization that yes, it turns out that this is not difficult, and the most important thing and finally we, well

, first of all, i felt out, why do i need this, yes , that with which we actually began our with you dialogue from what and why, is it necessary at all . i think it is necessary. i have one question, it seems to me that it will be very appropriate. marin, how could you answer, and what will i do right today to confirm my intentions? i answered this question to myself literally a few minutes ago, and i already thought about the fact that today i will go home, to the hotel, usually when i go, i do this, and today i realized that i have my big. bag with which i arrived, i will put my phone in there, sit in taxi and i'll go like this, great plan, friends, and i wish for all of us, let's at least start with this, that today, when or tomorrow morning, when we'll be getting ready for work or maybe during the day, well, in general, on the next trip we'll hide the phone at the very bottom of our

bags or in the most secret pocket of a jacket or coat, we'll try to live. a few minutes of withdrawal at first, and then i'm sure the pleasure of the fact that life is not passing by, definitely not in the phone. this was a psyche podcast. hello, with you is film historian stanislav dezdinsky, and today we have a special edition of cameron. 70 we are talking about the birthday of director james cameron, or rather about his work, and about his films, today we have two special guests, this is anatoly tsagolevich, an oceanographer, doctor of technical sciences, and a person who in many ways guided and inspired james cameron during the filming

of the movie titanic, and maria shteiman, candidate of philological sciences, professor of the higher school of economics, auto articles on topics that always worried james cameron: this is a doll, terminators, androids and so on and so forth and so on. and today we will, of course, talk in many ways about what this amazing, and amazing world of james cameron is based on, which is a huge universe, seemingly so different, because his films touch on a variety of topics, both the future and the past, if we talk about the film titanic. but our main question is for anatoly mikhailovich about how you met james cameron, because any such large-scale project as titanic is sometimes developed by more than one a year, and not two, and not five, but even 10, how did you first meet this director, well, the question is quite complicated,

since the path to our meeting was quite long, in 1987. we built the mir deep-sea manned vehicles, well, at that time, there were only two deep-sea manned vehicles in the world that could dive to a depth of 6,000 m, it was the nautilus, that is, in france and, that is, the americans re-equipped the seclif, and then suddenly in 1987 we introduce... build two mir vehicles, install them on one vessel, academician kstislav keldysh, and thus, we have in our hands the most original and perfect deep-sea research complex with two deep-sea habitable...