at a crossroads, that is, he could start opening his own business there, get involved in it and could, in essence, invest in me, and he made a choice to support me with business, well, yes, in essence, yes, it was a family business, indeed, his wife also participated, she was a co-producer, well, of course there were, there were everything, there were certain disagreements, but overall we still interacted very well, i think that this was the best option of all those... labels and production centers and producers who could work with me. wait, now dad participates in his musical life or not anymore? no, not now, i can always turn to him and i do turn to him periodically for advice, for some kind of support, but i had a very important stage in fact of such a certain separation, because i wanted to ask, what is it like to part with dad, yes, yes, it was a very difficult period, it lasted, yes, in fact somewhere, well, probably even a couple of years, because when i...

well, then i got pregnant and it was 100% necessary to take a break, well, sort of, although i worked until the fifth month pregnancy, let's maybe do it all at once, i'll leave the dots on the holes, i also read that your husband tried to produce you, is this true or definitely not true, really, when we just, well , you could say, moved in together, just moved in together and well, he just started to participate more actively in my life, because well, like, we were close and there were such attempts, that is, but he didn't even that... attempts, he

just at least didn't care, that is, he started to participate more in my life, was privy to some issues, then we organizedikan too or not connected at all, no, no, he is not connected at all, but he was connected with organizing events and concerts, in his city, and somehow it happened that of course he kind of became active, perhaps, i think, of course he had some hope, but i very quickly stopped this process, i am so sweet, don't even... think, if you don't want scandals, but i just understood what this was leading to, that is, like, that we would be here and there and there , then you just got rid of dad, that is, this not at all personal growth, and i'm like, this is some kind of well, change, substitution of concepts, well, i realized that of course this is not it at all, and just even purely, well, as i understand it, that we will start to get tired of each other morally, and this will simply lead to collapse, akmal, and tell me, do your parents take part in your creativity or? you know, i

don't let my parents get involved in this, because it seems to me that, uh, i'm afraid of this, i'm afraid that this may not lead to anything good, that's why i'm kind of at arm's length, and your parents are somehow connected with music, why are you so musical, who knows, my mother danced something in her childhood, as far as i know, but she graduated from a pedagogical school, she is a teacher of literature and russian language, but not in music, my father generally played football... he played all his life, my grandfather did too, in short, i don’t know where the music really lives in me, but in the legal part my dad understands these contracts, i’m a complete teapot in this, and i always send all the contracts to my father, but recently i hired a lawyer for the first time, who will always be with me now, and so that i would not be deceived, many artists, my friends advised me to do so, and i did so, after 13 years you re-released the song: choose

a miracle, right, yes, it hit the trend, because now, in fact, this is the trick in giving the song a new life, re-release it in a different way, it had the biggest hype, in fact, yeah. prepare for you the song - choose a miracle only jupsy jazz, so run away, take me, i want to go where you write, it's a wet winter, through rain you can't hear me,

sent me a screenshot, we all understood who this egor is, well let's do it for the viewer, yes, egor krigor krit, in general, yes, that is, how would i write like, why not, if you want to look at this story deeper, in fact, of course, egor and i had some kind of internal invisible conflict for several years, somewhere it was even external, but since over these several years i really dug a lot into what we experienced, i know, that's ideally of course.

agreed, like i wrote, why not, that's it, then we wrote to each other and agreed to meet, we are talking about the song mr. and mrs. smi, it turned out really cool, in fact i think, we were both super fired up by the story that no one had ever done this, that it was a unique topic, even when we realized that we could make this video, where we were like, like, here we went into one of the possibilities, like, here you were dating, then like, you became exes, then you were on the same set, there was no such type. it was strange, yes, it was strange even before it was on the set, it was strange even in the studio, when we saw each other at all there, we hadn't seen each other for a long time, well, really , we hadn't seen each other for several years, here we saw each other, at some point i even asked everyone to leave, we were left alone, i said, so come on, in short, what are you, what

are your grievances against me, yes, like, what are you, what do you think, come on, tell me, everything, in short, now we have 10 minutes there, come on, so he started telling me, in short, how he... how he sees, where i'm wrong, in short, what happened, because i had been different excerpts, interviews and so on, and as i understand it, he had his own processes, i had mine and i wanted to clarify and so that there would be no offense between us, no omissions and so on, and my husband was not jealous of this moment in your life, of course, at first yes, but then we also had several very deep conversations on this topic, and when i explained the main message, the concept in general for... what we do this for, and of course he completely reconsidered all of this, we, uh, you know, deeply immersed ourselves in your desires regarding musical experiments, so - heard that you respect jazz, i respect, we offer you to perform a song do not interrupt, illegal

right to opportunity. you are not an untangled thread around the warmth, you are carried by the flow of wind along the broken. barely breathing stacks of other people's windows, and i have repeated this to myself more than once, i endured, i was looking for silence, to the sky louder than then prompted me, and i stayed to listen to the fairy tale on his. do not interrupt me, musician, do not

offend me, you are too close, do not interrupt me, my law is happiness, do not offend me, you too close, you're too close. the next level of difficulty, you love bjork, yes you love bjork, we decided to help you. now try to sing a song to the warrior moon in my ear

so she's not belunnaya she's wrong, it wasn't me, she's in the sky words, someone will say yes-yes, it was fate, my dream is in the sky, i'm not dreaming, he was it yes...

what well where should i go i'm a boy - i was from st. petersburg then, i played football every day and for

me to get on television, on the main channel of the country, what is this anyway, my brother somehow he took a computer, applied, then applications were accepted on the website, yeah, he told me about it, i took it all as a joke, a month later i come back from the football field, he says: we got an answer from channel one, we went to moscow for a casting, and we started learning songs, i went to the teacher, and that 's where this first step of mine began... here's the first step, the musical world, cool, akmal, right now you stand here by this button, with your back to us, with your back to us, facing the people, facing the people and don't peek, your task will be to press the button at the moment when nyusha starts singing, but you won't so easy, because our voices will be changed, oh yeah, i'm not saying. what did we show? do you feel the light between us? we wanted it so

much, we searched for it. happiness covered us like a tsunami. don't say we're late. do you feel the light between us. he finished yelling. can i turn around? so. and who was it? okay, you guessed, turn around. now the button magically disappears, and we move on, so the next info, i read here that it turns out you want to... get yourself a rhinoplasty, tell me, is this jaundice, is this jaundice or is it real, i have something i blurted it out somewhere, but i'll be honest, i really want to, we've been imagining here what your nose might look like after plastic surgery, let's see, well, it's just some kind of pilgrimage work, i thought the point was that i don't want to change this at all,

you don't want to, i don't like my hump, i don't like it because it starts very high. the second one doesn't have a hump in the photo, but it's shorter, and you can imagine, yeah, what they'll do to your nose, while i'm imagining, and this is also resonator, that is, i am most afraid of this, i have already put aside money, i have already found a doctor, that's all, i just need to go and do it, but i am afraid, akmal, with your mentor vasily, basta, that's right, that's right, that's right. and you have the same song titles, right, you have a slow dance, he has a slow dance, he has a slow dance, yes, yes, yes, we have combined a little here, but tell me, were you inspired by this song, and so it happened, it worked out, how in general, to tell you honestly, of course, yes, yes, what, something i i see that these artists are making so much money on these graduations,

at least someone, i'm sitting in the studio, i'm sitting in the studio and opening notes on my phone and i see that i have some poems, i wrote them in some hotel while i was at a concert, they're something about school , i tell my sound producer, listen, let's try to throw something together, we started gluing something there, drawing something, that's how this song was born, a musical applique, you could say, we thought about why we shouldn't now take and not combine these songs one into another, so that it turns out, well, let's call it fashionably bootleg, oh my god, you know, so to speak, let's go further, in the end we have here. and that's why here it is as if we somehow need to match it, so let's please, i'm not dancing slowly with you, and you're so beautiful and in heels, and you won't know what i wanted to tell you about, today

the last bell rings, to see you, i switch off on... and how can i make you remember our love? i dance slowly, you are so beautiful and in heels, and you will not know what i wanted to tell you so, now look, slow dance, so that you cry and they all sound the same, and banal and not talented. took the guitar played sang and you are paid in white and you are about to turn 17 i just wanted to please you and i took the guitar played sang along the roads i walk desperately our dialogue was accidental for

our love i will not lose myself i will never return to you for anything along the roads and i to you, never for anything will return, you understand, that's how it is it happens, that's how it is, anton, i think, on this beautiful note we need to cook a hit, i don't mind, since you are artists who transmit love through themselves, i suggest that this song also be about love, yes, well, i have a line, it's me and you where there is light there is no place well, like darkness for darkness for darkness for emptiness for emptiness for emptiness love is you and me love - just

look into my eyes so love you and me just look into my eyes love is me and you where there is light no. with all dreams, love, it's me and me, just look into my eyes, love - it's me and you, let them be with everyone alive, love is you and me, just look into my eyes. love is me and you, let them be completely eternal, my friends, today in the studio we had amazing.

you tell the whole world about us, how i brought you flowers and i brought bouquets, how i waited until the morning, waiting for you at the entrance, how i shed tears on the ground, how i screamed at you, i won't come and broke my hands, i will stand because of you, you tell the whole world about us. how i brought you flowers and bouquets, how i waited until the morning, waiting for you at the entrance, how i shed tears on the ground, how i

you shouted, i won't come and broke your hands, i 'll stand because of you, there's no light in my eyes, what are you talking about, you say that you've changed, maybe you've just... grown up, your words and lectures, bring you to tears, stop dividing my hole into yours, tear me apart, come on , come on, get lost, you're out of my soul, you're like me, you're very strong for the umpteenth time, i look into your eyes and with my body, as if you were crucified, one, two, three, i finished what we started in my affairs, you don't see love anymore, no matter how much you try to change me, i'll... repeat to you, you tell about us, to the whole world, i brought you flowers, i brought bouquets, how i waited until the morning, at

the entrance of the jew i you, how tears shed on the ground, how i screamed at you, i will not come, and broke my hands, i shared for you. i am waiting for you, i am waiting for you, i am waiting for you.

hello, dear friends, this is the podcast life of the remarkable, with you i am, its host, writer, alexey varlamov, this year marks 125 years. from the birthday of the most, in my opinion, captivating, most amazing, profound, beautiful russian prose writer, poet, playwright, literary critic, and finally, russian engineer, andrei platonovich platonov, it is about him that we will talk with you today, i am pleased to introduce my interlocutor, elena shubina, a philologist, publisher, whom many of you probably know. thanks to the editorial office of elena shubina, where many modern authors are published, and i have the honor of being one of these authors, but in addition to modern literature, shubina also publishes

documentary literature, historical literature, and one of your heroes is andrei platonov. let's get started the conversation starts with how it happened that you started studying platonov, and what does he mean to you in your life, your platonov? a... my platonov, but this is a very good question, alexey nikolaevich, because this is still a very personal question, i fell in love with this writer through my personal love, because lev shubin, lev alekseevich shubin, to whom i have a direct relationship, he was, in fact, the founder of the study of platonov, his first article came out in 1968, imagine, he himself was then still very young, and this, by in fact, it was the beginning of our platonov studies, before that, of course, i knew a little about this writer, but very little, because by that time, he was, well, i’m not even

afraid to say, little known, only after stalin’s death, in general, it became possible to write about him, to publish about him, that’s how it was, that was some kind of beginning, i fell in love with him, let’s call it that, here is the author of this book, the search for the meaning of individual and general existence, this is a quote from platonov himself, which is repeated in different versions in his different works, this is my first love is a writer, yes, well, you have very well noticed this thing, that indeed platonov, with all his enormous gift, with all his enormous significance, which, by the way, was very well understood by the most insightful of his contemporaries, namely tvordovsky, and simonov, and fodeyev, and sholokhov, and leonov, they all platonovized very much, pasternak, of course, and akhmatovo, you can call many different names,

ernstkhamentoy. yes, who admired his story the third son. well, it seems, yes, well, this may be a bit of a myth, but around each there must be myths about the writer, let them be, we will not destroy them. so, there is really some paradox in this, that this writer really lived such a, well , a little unnoticeable, as if off the central highway, such a literary highway life, despite the fact that his life was not very long, he was born in 1899 in voronezh, died in 1951 in moscow. that is, exactly the first half of the 20th century, it was very diverse, his life, but as if the starting positions were platonic from the point of from the point of view of the soviet conjuncture were extremely favorable: the son of a worker and a peasant woman, an absolutely convinced revolutionary who took part in the civil war on the side of the reds, endlessly believing in communism, in socialism, in the soviet idea, he nevertheless at some point finds himself out of luck, so... when

the soviet government oppressed bulgakov, there was some justice in this: you don’t love us, we don’t love you, but platonov actually loved, he loved the soviet project, he loved socialism, why do you think that is it turned out, about any great writer they say that he was there completely for the revolution, why well, in my youth it seems to me, still yes, well in my youth, but then it became generally clear that everything there is very much what is called ambivalent, and...

still he is not ours, that he is still an alien, that the way he interprets that same revolution that you are talking about, that it is still something else, they generally had such a nose for such things, yes, well and then, when the doubting makar was written, the city gradov, in prok, in prok, in the margins, which , by the way, has still not been found, this original, on which stalin allegedly wrote, either a bastard, or a scoundrel, or something like that. vulgar, there is a whole list of success, yes, well, actually, with prok, such a thing has already begun, when this writer began to be simply oppressed, when simply, in general, this is not ours, it was almost pronounced by the main person of the state and fadeyev, who was in some kind of more or less friendly circle, he also wrote this devastating review, here's how it seems to me, platonov's divergence from the soviet project begins

in... in 1921, when a terrible famine happened in the volga region, and the misfortune first happened in the summer of '21 in his family, when his brother and sister died, and for him the death of a child is some kind of horror, a nightmare, and then this is such a harbinger, misfortune falls on a huge country, and he sees that nothing is happening, and also the soviet machine is moving bureaucratically, also some kind of formalism, also deadness, heartlessness, and this causes him... terrible anger, and he does something that probably no other writer, neither russian nor soviet, has ever done, he turns 180°, goes into melioration, and for several years he works as a voronezh meliorator, he builds dams, he builds hydroelectric power stations, he builds ponds, because he understands that the cause of hunger is drought, the cause of hunger is poor land management, this must be fought, and his conflict with the soviet government is the conflict of a person who makes claims

against this government. why don't you do what you promised, you promised people to build a new, just world, in fact, as he writes somewhere, yes, that a craftsman fought, and an official won, that's the revolution for him... that platonov that we know, with his philosophy, with his absolutely amazing attitude to the world, to everything that happens, that is, to philosophy here is a very important concept, because the voronezh province and

where he was there, it's such, well, even a separate country, where these chevingur were written not by chance, because very interesting yes fyodorovsky these whole... that here too there are incredible paradoxes in the platonic spirit, when he got married, many of his friends threw up their hands, because they did not understand what had happened, he was such a monk, that is, no relationship, nothing, suddenly this woman arrives, yes, she was beautiful, talented, the most important thing

is that she was not just beautiful and talented, she was from a completely different circle, from a different family, she was from a professorial family, they ended up in voronezh, well, just like then, fleeing from hunger. this beauty strikes his heart and kind of overturns all his theories, this is a dry theory my friend, but the tree of life turns green, and he changes, he kind of forgets all his vows, chastity, he falls in love with this woman, actually beats her off, there was a crowd of young people walking around her, his friends, he put them all aside, he conquered her, he walked to her on foot, i was there she studied at the university then she was sent to a village school, the story of the sandy teacher has something to do with it, and he walks. in winter, the devil knows where 20 km there and back they eventually conceived then their only son platon was born, well then there would be a daughter marya andreevna, well this was later during the war, but why i started talking about

platon's wife, i said this phrase, that's how lucky bulgakov was with his third wife elena sergeevna, who immediately understood that she was living with a genius, and although bulgakov's name in the thirties did not sound so special in general... she believed that all his glory would come, she lived to see his glory, then that's how bulgakov would have had a life, here at home there is the rear, all around there is the front, but at least at home there was the rear, and at platonov's there was no rear, because well, the wife in general did not consider that her husband was such a brilliant writer, plus there are some peculiarities of his character, so when he was gone, if you remember the quote from pasternak, when pasternak, objecting to shchogole...

here is a state resident, and a garbage wind, which was categorically rejected, yes, which was categorically rejected by all publishing houses, i admit, in my home archive there is a letter, a very... unknown writer with an excellent reputation, i will not to name him, because he is no longer with us, the so-called editorial conclusion, when marialno once again proposed a soviet writer, then there was such a publishing house, that is, all these things, and there was harshly written, like this, this, this and that, these things, no, this is a wound, this is something like that, that is, she led this fight of hers. in the new season on the first,

rumors are already circulating in the city about this crime, wherever you go, they say everywhere, women are lured into a taxi and shot in the back, i wanted you to ask about your find, this knot seemed very massive, although it was easy enough to break, you are worthy of great honor moles, honor and trust of the reich, remember this. "after the war i was looking for my son's comrades, i was interested in what happened there at the end of the war, and anything could have happened there , if you don't have a photo, it's strange where they are, they were here, lord, how similar he is to my son, you are the only real witness, the only person he came to openly, well, major, the hunt has begun, confrontation"?

well, i would say that there is more of it, it is simply evident that he speaks out against the kulaks in his notebooks, he believes that collectivization is necessary, my dear, well, you speak like this, as if we are talking about publicity, the foundation pit is a work of art.

some voronezh one, too, here is a somewhat unusual context, connected with sectarianism, with fyodor and so on. another thing is that this was then expressed in his main, so to speak, works, so this conversation, which, after all, he has in in his notebooks he, as if for collective farms, but there

not for collective farms, because when he wrote to the self-confessed makar, who was also this same, he seemed to be sincerely surprised. why, that he actually wrote everything for collective farms, well yes, and the chronicle in advance, it was also written for the collective farms, well no, it certainly was not written for the collective farms, without a doubt, i am slightly oversimplifying the situation now, the most insightful reader iosifrinovich stalin agreed with you, exactly yes, because after reading it, he wrote that it was an anti-collective farm counterrevolutionary thing, but for for platonov it was a blow, for him, of course, it was a blow, because he still understood what this threatened. but i still would n’t speak so energetically for platonov, well, he wrote this in letters, in letters to gorky, in letters to stalin, i don’t believe that he was being disingenuous, it seems to me that he was such a sincere person, he was being disingenuous, he wasn’t being disingenuous when he wrote to gorky, when he wrote to stalin, that the collective farm movement is like a child, that you have to be very careful with it, careful, that he kind of admits his guilt, i think that he

it's true he experienced this feeling when he wrote this letter, but i don't believe that he was playing any games with... the authorities, it's not in his character, anyone could have done it, but not him, well, maybe i'm wrong, but by the way, there is something else very interesting about katlovan, that in fact that pit, which you and i, my dears, read in novy mir in 1987, before that we read in samizdat, then we read in numerous publications there in the nineties and even the 2000s published in our country abroad, it is not a real pit, a real pit was first published in st. petersburg in the pushkin house in... year, and then in the collected works of platonov in the vremya publishing house. and this story struck me, i even made a special comparison, because what happened? apparently, the pit was being prepared for publication in the new world in the sixties, maybe not in the new world, well, in general, it was being prepared somewhere. and it was edited, but how was it edited? they removed

stalin from there, of whom there is a lot in the pit, they removed some rather rough places from there, platonov along with his incredible tenderness, he has quite a lot of rudeness. in general , this person has a huge range, physiology, spirituality in platonov - that's all, yes, in short, they combed it, they cut this manuscript, they made it so digestible from the point of view of soviet editors of the sixties, but it did not come out, then this edited version went to ardis, ardis published it, since then everything went like this, only in 2000 they published a complete pit, this is important to me it seems. in relation to chevingur, to juvenile sea, to jan, jan in general, jan in general definitely has completely different, just endings, just fundamentally different, but here really, if we talk about such textual scientific things, then with

platonov's archive in general, of course , a very difficult thing happened for further researchers. because andrei platonovich also had such an amazing feature, if almost, as you say, almost, so to speak, was ready for opera publishing, instead of to enter into some kind of wild struggle, sometimes it was easier for him to write his own version, this is what the amazing

platonov group at the institute of world literature is doing now.