when this noise dies down, yes, it dies down, yeah, you can hear the word, you said it very correctly, not only moral authorities, but also the rhetoric of discussing this problem, yes, which are connected, for example, with the award, yes, more conversations, more opinions, more analysis, this is always a plus, well listen, whoever wants to, will participate, when such people participate, it gradually becomes a property. it can be an individual, an authoritative person, a scientific organization, and some foundation, and an initiative group, and even an educational institution institution, here under the curtain, as we think, it will be a surprise, of course, the first awarding is a notable event, it will be on tolstoy's birthday, september 9, but if we try to guess, here's who, i 'm not talking personally, of course.

will contribute to our cultural life and to world life in general, well, you know, if you remember who was the laurel of the first nobel prizes, it was dunant - for - the red cross, it was roentgen, uh, these were, by the way, surprisingly, almost no one remembers who was the laurel for literature first, although it is there was a frenchman, and it would seem that as a result , most of all, yes, most of all the french , by the way, to this day, in my opinion, laureates in...

in literature, but it doesn't matter, these are people who, after 120 years, remember everything, their work lives on, especially, of course, the red cross, this, it seems to me, is the answer to your question, we will not personify the obvious intrigue, but these must be such significant figures, organizations, movements, movements, this is important, of course, which - will exist in any case the life span of several generations. uh-huh. well, our esteemed interlocutors, today we talked about a new prize, this is the international peace prize named after leo nikolaevich tolstoy. my interlocutors were the special representative of the president of the russian federation for international cultural cooperation mikhailovich shvetkoy and the rector of the russian state social university, academician of the russian.

ask about your find, this knot seemed very massive, although it came off quite easily, you have been awarded a great honor, moles, honor and trust of the reich, remember this, after the war i was looking for my son's comrades-in-arms, i was interested in what happened there at the end of the war, and anything could have happened there , if you don't have a photo, strange, where are they? they were here, lord, how

similar he looks to my son, you are the only real witness, the only person he came to openly. well, major, the hunt has begun, confrontation, the premiere of the legendary book by yulian semyonov. we continue our conversation about the new award about the international peace prize named after lev nikolaevich tolstoy. i have in my studio a well-known public figure, director of the lev nikolaevich tolstoy international prize foundation, daku gapurovich zavgaev. hello, daku gapurovich. hello, dmitry petrovich. please tell me, what is the idea behind this prize? it is unlike any other. yes, it is conceived as something completely

modern, relevant to the moment, it will be awarded on lev nikolaevich tolstoy's birthday, it is a completely unique project. please tell us about it. thank you. for the opportunity provided, the leo nikolaevich tolstov peace prize, indeed in the format in which it was created, arose for the first time. the idea of ​​creating this prize was connected with the fact that contradictions and conflicts are intensifying in the world today. public support is needed for the traditional persecutions developed by humanity.

against activists, representatives of the church, science, culture, that is, everyone who understands the severity of the problems and can contribute to overcoming emerging threats. perhaps you can tell us in more detail who founded prize, what organizations, and what people, this is important for any prize, who came up with it, who thought it up, who brought it to life. who is behind it, the russian historical society, the russian foundation, the peace prize, the russian military historical society, june 22, 2022, the international

reception-peace foundation taught, the main task and goal of the new public award is to promote consolidation...

if we talk about the jury members, who today, they are citizens of nine countries, nine countries, moreover, countries that are part of brics, shos, the big twenty, including three states that are permanent members of the united nations security council, that is, the level. as you can see, the members of the jury, the relationship is very high, and evokes deep respect and trust. the jury is headed by valery gergiev, hero of labor of the people's artists of russia, a world-famous

conductor, laureate of many awards, who makes a personal contribution to the cause of peace and at the same time is the holder of the honorary title of unesco artist. in the name of peace, this is the composition of the jury speaks for itself, further candidates for nominations may be put forward by interparliamentary and other international organizations, parliaments, government structures, as well as public funds, organizations, associations, figures of science, culture, art, and the laureate of the international tolstoy prize and members of the jury of this prize also have this right, that is, they can also independently propose a candidate, who can be a lauratt, are these individual figures?

a real contribution to solving current problems, solving global tasks of preserving strengthening peace, i think that this will be a real result, yes, actually, before i answer your question, i would like to emphasize one more component that characterizes our award, that the financial support for the activities of the fund for filling the award itself is carried out without the participation of the state, these issues are resolved exclusively through

voluntary donations from citizens at the expense of commercial structures, that is, the state does not participate in the financing, well, this emphasizes the independence of the award, this absolutely independently in all respects of prizes, yeah, well, the preparation of the ceremony and presentation of the first international prize is now at the final stage on september 9 of this year, the birthday of the writer, humanist alvanik toltov , a ceremony will be held in the bolshoi theater, the presentation of the first peace prize, and a festive concert will also take place, members of the jury, public figures, foreign diplomats, parliamentarians, representatives of creative business circles, veterans, all, as they say, means are invited to the event. our society will be represented there, including delegations from foreign countries.

today, a long journey has begun, the award society is designed for the long term. therefore, we have no doubt that the peace prize will justify and we place our hopes on it. let's wish it success. yes, this is the answer to my question, that is , this awarding. of course, will be a direct contribution to the cause of establishing peace, and i sincerely thank you, i thank the famous statesman and public figure daka gapurovich zavgaev for this wonderful a meaningful story about the new and completely unique prize of the international peace prize named after leo nikolaevich tolstoy. i am sure that our conversation was interesting. important, it gave rise to some intrigue around the new prize, to you, our esteemed interlocutors, to whom i

usually say, read with pleasure, i am now saying the same thing, but i add, think about peace, dear friends, thank you very much, dakurovich, thank you too, all the best, thank you. i welcome you to the air of the podcast of the chronicle of the end of times, and today i will tell you about how yulian semenov was eliminated. yulian semenovich semenov is a completely legendary figure, he is more than a writer , more than a publicist. of course, he is mainly known as the author of such a character as stirlitz, the seventeenth moment of spring. this is his creation, this is his novel, which was filmed, this, by the way, was the first series

on soviet television, and many reproached yulian semenovich semenov, i remember that he took advantage of the fact that it was the first series, that is, there were more than 10 episodes, each episode was paid for as a separate film, that is, after this experience guests. radio of the soviet union reviewed the system of payment for multi-part, so -called films. vladimir semenovich vysotsky sang: i hate. gossip in the form of a version, but here you can't do without versions, i also hate them gossip in the form of a version, but versions, interestingly, that was the name of the publication in the holding top secret, which appeared after the elimination of yuliana semenov, who actually created this holding. generally speaking, the appearance

the first private newspaper, and top secret, was the first private publication in the soviet. created an international association of detective political novels, whose members were, well, the most prominent writers of the detective genre in the world. yulian semenovich semenov is not just a master of the detective genre, not just a completely unusual extravagant figure in the soviet literary community, he is also

a person who differed fundamentally... his colleagues not in his writing style, not in his approach to writing, but in his views, in general, on the universe and on the prospects of his beloved country. i say without any irony, his beloved country, because he loved the country, despite the fact that his father was repressed, he himself, of course, also had, as it were, serious enough claims to the device, e.g. in the soviet union, the device not only in the writers' workshop, but in general there were questions about freedom of speech, well, this is a commonplace about the fact that everyone grumbled about this, but he is a man who broke through this wall, i will repeat once again, he created the first private publication in the soviet union, top secret, in

september 2023, 30 years have passed since yuliana semenova passed away, but then in... the newspaper top secretly emerged as such an experiment. yegor legachev, who then oversaw the entire press and the entire ideology in the soviet union, categorically objected to the idea of ​​a private newspaper. and then ilian semenovich semenov said: "and this will be a bulletin, he said, no one asked any

questions about what a bulletin is." well, it was just a monthly newspaper. i... using, well, relatively speaking, my official position, arranged a franchise for this newspaper, it was published in moscow, and the publisher was yuliyan semenovich semenov, who had a salary of 1 ruble a year, so, the owners of the newspaper were us, the employees, the first employees of this publication, we were called shareholders, no one understood what it was, no one was particularly proud of this title. and did not understand the essence of it, personally i was interested in what my salary would be, what share i had there, how many percent of this newspaper belonged to me, i was the first full-time employee, that is, i the first to risk leaving the officialdom, i was working at that time in the magazine smena, the organ of the central committee of the supreme soviet of the russian federation, he

offered me to move to him, our editorial office was located in... his friends from the ministry of internal affairs assured me that all the listening equipment had been removed from the apartment and that we could be located there and talk freely about anything, make our plans, i didn’t turn out to be any natural editor-in-chief, i was just a dumb reporter, quite quickly realized that i didn’t have any organizational talent, well, i calm myself down with the thought that at that moment i didn’t it was, then i did call them that, and he invited me to the position of editor-in-chief.

that is, returning to how i used my official position. so, the newspaper was printed in moscow, but since it was printed on such a special paper, which could be like a matrix. there were no computers, then newspapers were printed, here from a matrix, it is important to understand. i was then invited to host the most popular program at that time, the program of the youth editorial staff of the central television. and it had a huge audience, came out once a week, several issues at the invitation of their co-hosts, i conducted together with them, in each

of these issues i in the final trias newspaper there was no advertising at all on television, this is in soviet television there was no advertising at all, that is, the idea that it was possible to somehow monetize airtime did not occur to anyone, i remember there was such an episode there, it is not a little bit top secret. and about advertising, that quite clever guys from the ocean, who were located on brighton beach, they became to make such sweatshirts with the inscriptions perestroika, there glasnost, so they gave us these sweatshirts, and we were so happy to broadcast in them, not realizing that there was a whole cooperative selling these sweatshirts, well , conventionally speaking, for us, that we simply promoted merch. as it is now called merch, since there was no control over the possible hypothetical monetization of the broadcast, then in every issue of vzglyad, where i

was invited, i shook, by the way, the latest issue of this top secret newspaper and said that anyone who wanted to could contact such and such a phone, i think there was even a running line, well, or in general, go to yulian semenov's office in complete secrecy, and we will provide them with, like, a license, that is , it was a franchise, and the newspaper was published in millions of copies in a variety of republics, it was printed in the baltics and in the caucasus in central asia, we quickly gained a lot in terms of reputation and financially things were going well, i as a shareholder did not understand this, because i still did not care about what shares were, but there were people who understood the situation, but more about them later. we are back, this is the podcast of the chronicle of the end of times, and we are talking about yulian semenovich semenov and his brainchild top secret. at some point, yulian semenovich thought

that he... is quite well versed in the media, in the western media, this person was artem borovik, he was a friend, comrade and colleague of dima likhanov, who actually introduced me to yulian semenovich semenov, but artem worked at that time in the very mega-popular magazine ogonyok with vitaly korotich, headed the international department there, published books, one of them was called how i served in the american

army, that is, he... went on an internship really to the pentagon, an american journalist came here, and i remember this meeting in the central house of writers, the four of us , me, dima likhanov, veronika khelchevskaya, artem boroyak's wife artem sat and for 3 hours we rubbed all this, we really persuaded him to our own detriment, not suspecting this with dima, so that he would come as a deputy to yulia. in the end, artem agreed to start working on issues of creation, in particular the newspaper versions and magazine faces that later appeared in the holding, top secret, but already without pleshkov without semenov, because sasha pleshkov was killed in paris in april of 1989, sasha went there to do

the so-called. parties, now no one remembers this phrase, then in the late eighties it was quite such a noisy story in the media, they discussed it in kitchens. the talk was about the fact that people who understood that the soviet union would inevitably collapse, they withdrew resources, the so -called gold and foreign exchange, to the west in order to, to then come with money and do what they did. that is, buy up factories, entire industries, there was a very curious selection system, which pleshkov talked about, in the same group, let's say, some resident, an intelligence officer, was given a budget to, let's say, create some pharmaceutical company, which would be a cover for our work, for residents, well, or it doesn't matter, for some business and...

people watched carefully how he would use this money, some spent, invested all this money in business, there, well, taking into account of course some salaries and so on, and some stole, well, that is, they created a business, but there a million or two went somewhere offshore, a person put it for himself, these people were taken into account as promising in the center, that is, they were invited and told, well, we all know how many there are, you work very well, that is , you are a promising person, just keep in mind that we all know, they were counting on these people, as on those who would then build, in fact, a new society, as on people enterprising, not blinkered and ideologically single-vector, who did not think about themselves, but thought only about work, not

without bitterness. and pleshkov told this sarcastically, so there was an idea to generally take up this gold of the party, that is, to generally expose this system, in paris we had acquaintances, when i say, we, i mean the editorial board of top secret, in particular froncois moreau, this is a french journalist who admired yulian semenovich semenov, wrote essays about him, considered him... a man of the future new russia, he worked for the vsd magazine, it was friday , saturday and sunday, it was a very popular publication in france in those years, about the same as ogonyok in our country in those years, and he said that his management, the management of this magazine, could offer sensational material for top secret, well, sasha pleshkov went there, he had breakfast that day with

eduard... to publish it, he was such a banned writer, after all, but the end of times was already approaching, everything was changing, banned names appeared in the press on television, banned topics, by the way, there is a photograph, i have preserved in the archive, where yulian semenovich talks with eduard in our office, of course, eduard limonov has nothing to do with the elimination.

bad, he tried to call a doctor from

the soviet union embassy, ​​the doctor did not come, returned to the hotel felt very he went down to the lobby, when the party saw that he had blood oozing from all the holes, from the nose, ears, mouth. he called the doctors, but it was too late, completely, he was brought to moscow in a zinc coffin, the conclusion of the french doctors was more than strange, that is, it was said there that he was poisoned, it was not clear with what, yulik, as everyone in our editorial office called him behind his back, naturally yuliana semenovich, because to his face they called him either yuliana or yuliyan semenovich, but they lovingly called him yulik, yulik was completely crushed by this story, because he... understood that to a certain extent he himself, so to speak, having given this order and having opened this pandora's box, sentenced his deputy to such a rather tragic fate, and he decided to quickly

get rid of the publication completely, or rather not to get rid of it as such, but to bring it to the international arena, he entered into an alliance with merdeka, with rupert merdeka, the american media magnate, and decided to start what is called: a meeting, which he wants to bring top secretly to the international level, and outlined some prospects, how this is basically good for glasnost, which gorbachev promoted, well, and how in general all this

is very, very good, a representative of merdeka arrived, and we went to negotiations, in addition to the driver semenovich semenov, we had, by the way, she didn't have any security guards, no one at all... didn't bother there about any security, that was the mood in the car, in addition to the driver, i repeat, i, artem borovik himself yulian semenovich semenov, a meeting with a representative was planned there on a ship on the moscow river, and during this trip yulik had a stroke, that is, he had a stroke, and so... naturally, the meeting did not take place, we went to the hospital, and at that time i was filming a film about ivian semenov, my friend olivia lichtenstein, with whom i i met her when she was working on a film called prostitutes, and about whores, we

met then, i went to london there for dubbing and so on, so she started this cycle about the new people of the soviet union, so she was filming a film based on my script about my employer, yulian semenovich semenovna, and since they were traveling in the second car, they wanted to film this meeting with murdoch, which was supposed to become, well, the key one in the film, that is, they naturally came with us to the hospital, filmed how we we take yulik out of the car, and dima lekhanov arrived there and also.

well, that is, they didn't film yulian semenovich, the english filmed us, they filmed me, dima likhanov, artem baroiki disappeared immediately, he went somewhere, somehow they pumped out tovich, he began to at least moo, say something not very separate members and well, in any case , something appeared in his gaze and at least it was clear that he recognizes people. so we left him in the hospital, the

next day we arrived and the nurse, i arrived with the english from olivia lichtenstein's group arrived, and the nurse said that two people came at night - they didn't even bother to put on white coats, they just showed their id and talked to syulyan semenovichunov, after that no one talked to him anymore , in the sense that he became in such a state that he could... cry and well, in general, olivia filmed all of this, she filmed this nurse for a fee, because she had gone crazy the first time, but for a soviet nurse 100 pounds sterling, that was almost half a year's salary, back then in 1989, so she told all of this, when i was seeing olivia sheremetyeva off, they tried to take these tapes away from her. she didn't fly on these flights, she called

the british embassy on sofiyskaya embankment, some people arrived there, then she flew off the next day, but she managed to get the originals, only in 2021 in the summer i met her in spain, she kindly handed over these originals to me, they were used in the creation of a documentary on channel one, and yuliyan semenovichna. so yuliyan semenovich semenov was in this state for some time until september ninety-three, that is , for another 4 years, and here is a very cool, relatively speaking, moment, a moment that i thought needed to be discussed in the work that we did together with... this

is just in spain during the work on the film about yu, where all these things were discussed, two stars, fathers and sons, tomorrow on the first , blossomed, apple trees of toys, floated. fogs over the river, let them run, clumsily, pedestrians, through puddles, and water, on the asphalt like a river, i'm my horses. i whip, i lash, i drive, lyolyushki, lyoli, for the raft davtano, for my

old i give, that at night takmu. from september 6 on the first, we returned, this is a podcast of the chronicle of the end of times, and we are talking about yulian semenovich semenov and his brainchild top secret. all issues of the project podcastlab you can find on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru. so, the thing is that i repeat, it was.

de facto he is a corpse, de facto he can not do anything, he can not say a word, these forms were used, these forms were used, first all shareholders deprived their shares, and dmitry likhanov, and i, and many

others, including zoya ivanovna, secretary of yelian semenovich semenov. such a very famous lady, who sat in stalin's camps and such a glorious perfect misanthrope, everyone was afraid of her, but loved her, in general, everyone lost their shares, all the shares were accumulated by artem genrikhovich borovik, artem genrikhovich borovik settled in the apartment of yulian semenovich semenov, here the nuance was that yulian had two daughters, but one of them.

this advertising service appeared, that is, the holding flourished, but already practically without semenov, i remember how they kept him in september of ninety-three, yulian semenovich, it was a very rainy day, and weiner, his

competitor and comrade-in-arms, a writer, a detective, very famous, said that we were discussing a completely different story, so they remembered something, then a few years later, when they shot vladislav listiv, the first head of ort channel one, weiner , recalling this story, said that you have to, how often murderers stand close to the coffin, i don’t know what he meant, because somehow there was no time... actually i wasn't interested in it then, all these things are actually not a secret for anyone in a narrow professional circle. there was even another date at the central house of writers , a meeting was arranged, olga came from paris with

her grandson, yulian semenov with his son, this is dima likhanov, sitting to the right of the semenovs, dima and i were just the hosts of this evening, all these things were heard in the hall, and a relative, a close relative yulian semenovich semenov was there. i, since i am not a professional journalist, i am always surprised, i always can't get rid of this unnecessary, so

to speak, this, i don't know whether to say, quality or shortcoming of being surprised, that is, i can't learn to impartially - to perceive information, to transmit it, which of course greatly interferes with work, but allows me to think that i... do not condemn my soul to death, that the soul is immortal, yuliyan semenovich semenov, it is also immortal, and not because he created these works, not because stirlitz is still known, even by those people who do not know, who is ilion semenovich semenov, we saw the 17th moment of spring, and i think what would have happened if pleshkov had not gone to paris then, which would have been top secret, but so that it would not have been top secret, it was obvious that the vector along which the country was going could no longer be changed, so that the country would have already

decided without yulian semenovich semenov and without journalists, the main drawback of yulian semenovich semenov, with all his merits, that he was also a man, when i say, also i mean myself, this is perhaps the only thing we have in common, that we were naive, because of course i would never risk comparing the scale of talent. charisma, but he, he was also naive and also assumed that through some agreements, through publication, through publishing books, it is possible to influence the powers that be, but he did not belong to them, although undoubtedly, having created the first private publication, he contributed to the end of times, although i remember arguments with him he objected in every way to some i was always high on the bull there i wanted some kind of investigative journalism

to expose something to write i had some kind of there is my material about hazing and he told me you can't criticize the army you can't criticize the special services you just can't eat bureaucrats there is a party leadership but for god's sake you can't touch it. this foundation, it seemed to me, some kind of yulik, i thought, backward, some kind of yulik ritrograd, i still love you, i thought, but here you are wrong, and he was right, he, making his contribution to the end of times, understood about the end of times much better than i, it was a podcast about elimination. my name is evgeny dodalev, these are the chronicles of the end of times.