most, i'm a member of state and people a year who's picking and choosing the victims that's dangerous, their whole future an image of the court seen as a last resort for victims. this is a message that no one protects them as a sheet. you have to protect yourself, you know, making a sense of justice to florida. despite hon, vowing to investigate violations on both sides of the conflict. palestinians don't see him as independent serving only his critics say to rubber stamp and illegal occupation. the same bus route, the old 0 roman law in the occupied west as being an intense exchange of 5 along the israel 11 on board. the lebanese um group has belong us going several attacks and this way, the military positions and facilities resumed on friday. following the end of the gauze and si, fi is right. let's use white foss with shells and camera that raids, targeting what it says are the sources of the attacks a several much is have taken place across the u. k. on saw the dire, so you would palace to use. so when you cut

a go has more from one to with the truth effectively over the have been for the poles for a permanent ceasefire across the u. k. that have been groups marching, the protestant in solidarity, and simone dig that must be done. order to cease facilities in the region. now of a has been use of a trucks entering the costs. a strict use of the casualties from is ready. bombardments has also push people to do much, much more than they already are doing now. is like 2 days because a lot, you know, i'm here to represent the voices of local residents and receiving from public opinion polls that the vast majority of people support a ceasefire immediately. and you know that i'm a labor party counselor, the vast majority of labor vote was that, you know, extended labor, 5 hours development a seat by now. so the current status of the government, the current status of the labor party leadership for barbara, taking overseas by it is just complete dallas stacked with public opinion so not

falls on people. i've always self who has been elected to represent people to access that volume. so these groups have said that they will continue the demonstrations until a permanent ceasefire is cold. and they've also been cooling on governments, especially the british government and the opposition labor policy to do much more to bring that into effect. so when you guys go out to sara london. okay, you're up to date, i've suited for meeting the fall. okay, i'll be back to the top of the hour though with much more coverage. i'm on god's in our mind though, you can say across all of our stories on our website out to 0, don't com site with the scope because the bottom line is coming up next, next to watching the on counting the costs as well as war on dollars as whites out of time neighborhoods,

so who pays for the damage of germany's borrowing limits? spock a bunch of crisis cost pro for its desperate to be reform plus saudi arabia and china looked as frank some financial ties. counting the cost on al jazeera. hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. how does israel's war in gaza fit into us national security interest? let's get to the bottom line. the, despite a fragile pause and the fighting all sides point, the long term conflict in the middle east, and not only between palestinians and israelis. there had been a tax all along the border between 11 on an israel for the past month and a half. and recently the who is in yemen, a 1000 miles away, hijacked the cargo ship owned by and is really businessman for the us, which has made huge commitments to israel militarily, financially and diplomatically since israel's warrant garza started last month. the region is stuck between domestic policy currents and foreign policy. interest

president, jo biden's, embrace of israel is dividing his own party and increasing number of americans from both parties say that israel has gone too far and it's response to the attacks by him us. so where is us policy heading and where do us national security interest really like those interests are up for debate in today's america. so we'll be getting to a very different takes. we'll start with a view from the right within bastard john bolton, who serves us national security advisor under former president donald trump. investor. thank you so much for joining us today. as we're speaking, israel and her boss have reached the deal. where is really hostages are going to be exchanged for palestinian prisoners. how do you feel about this deal and what are your expectations? well, i think everybody from a humanitarian point of view should welcome the people who were kidnapped on october, the 7th being released i, i have a general objection to making swap deals for hast does. i think this case is a good example of why it's a bad idea. number one, the ratio is 3 to one that's,

that's never a good side number to the people that israel is going to release or essentially criminals. they're not people who were kidnapped while they were enjoying themselves at rock festivals or something like that. so i think there's moral equivalence is a mistake, and i think it gives an incentive to hostage takers because if they can bargain like this, they know that taking hostages as well worth it. and i also don't like many of the terms associated with the deal. it may be that a pause of 4 days does give israel some time to regroup and re think it's next steps. but how about how boss is far and away the greater beneficiary terms of extricating some of its fighters, regrouping, hiding the other hostages, ex, field trading some of their people from guys. and i don't like the plan, the part that says if i'm us turns over another 10 people a day, the pause can continue. i would never give my enemy control over the extent of the cease fire. and i think although again,

i understand fully the compassion that humanitarian argument here, i don't think we should look, we should miss the strategic implications, i think is rails right? of self defense includes eliminating the mosse threat. and to the extent we take our ios, that's strategic objective. i think it increases the chances they will fail. and we will be right back to where we were on october, the 6th in fairly short order. but the global south is screaming you've got a lot of our european allies that are really calling out israel for over reaction. and what they see is indiscriminate killing of many palestinians. i mean, i guess my question to you is, if you're in an office and advising any next president that came up, should there not be some effort to really diminish the, the footprint of horror or for innocence? yeah. well, you know, in terms of the international pressure, i can tell you when i've been in the government and i've heard about international pressure. if i had a switch inside my ear,

i just turn it off. if you don't pay any attention to it, it's not pressure. but here's where i think the most important point, the many commentators and, and, and national leaders are missing. i do not consider this a war of from us against israel. i consider this a war by some of america is worst enemies wed by the mullers and tyler rod, using their tears. sir, good groups like hamas, as bella liked the hudy's, and you haven't liked the militia groups and a rock in would cost them. so i'm on a the weight cost them, so i'm not, i called the ring of fire strategy against israel. and that's why i think in the arab world, in particular, if people understood this better. and i think many of the leaders do understand it . they would say this is not an attack on the arab world. this is israel, defending itself from the leadership and tear rod and, and doing to the palestinian people. what has happened to them in the past being used by outside or for their own purposes. and i think if you understand that in

that respect, it would be easier, not easy, but easier for many people in the region to understand what israel is doing and to see where the real perpetrator, the real moral cause of this is and, and it is the government of iran, what is your view of president biden's take on israel palestine and you know, what are your view? i know you've got some provocative thoughts on this. yeah, i think the 2 state solution is irretrievably wounded. i think it was dead before october. the 7th, i think it's dead buried now i don't think israel is ever going to consent to the creation of the state on its borders. it's wrong by terrorist. and i think my view has been for a long time, but i called the 3 states solution and nobody likes that either. but i would say congratulations to the egyptian. you now have sovereignty again over the guys. the strip is you did 31967,

and i think on the west bank i think this is actually more doable. i think israel and jordan have to figure out a relationship that return some sovereignty over the white sky for the egypt and give westbank part of the part of the west bank of jordan. now i happened to think this is actually the best measure for the, for the welfare of the palestinian people. i think the notion of a palestinian state that includes gaza and an archipelago of dots on the west bank cannot be economically viable. and i think for palestinians and their families, these people need to be part of a, of a strong economy. their children need to have schools. they need to be in a place where they can lead a normal life. and in the gaza strip, in many places of the west bank, it's simply not possible. let's not kid ourselves. let's put the welfare of the palestinians above ideological dreams. i mean i, i mean let me just wrestle with you a little bit on this. why a band and the notion that somehow was security and autonomy and creating

conditions where responsible palestinian patriots that believe in you know, a sort of fair future for their people on and a balanced future. recognizing israel, why is that dream gone? because you know, for 75 years palestinians have been trying to cling to that land. well, they've been trying to cling to a part of the land. they're never going to get back, which is called israel. their, their whole argument is they were forcibly displaced during the 1948 conflict and in subsequent conflicts. and they declared themselves to be refugees, 5000000 i think that's the right number. palestinians are registered as refugees with unreal. the, the, the problem is we have allowed those who had a aims to weaponized the palestinians against israel to use them and ways very unfair, the palestinians. and we have allowed the idea that refugee status for palestinians is hereditary, which it is not humanitarian doctrine on refugees. across the world since 1945 with

this one exception has been that life and refugee circumstances is the worst outcome of all that for the refugee population, they either need to return to their country of origin, or they need to be resettled. given the politics, they're not going to go back to what they consider their country of origin. it's not going to happen. israel's not going to disappear. so that's why i think resettlement for the palestinians themselves is the fairest most just way to resolve their status. so how does that not fall into the definition of ethnic cleansing, which triggers all these accusations of work crimes that ethnic cleansing you hear, it constantly is what the criticism of israel has been for palestinians who feel wrongly displaced from their land. and right now we see even these really government trying to withhold is really the, the settle or movement in the west bank and prompting violence with the west bank

to further encroach on this. right. well that's, that's not my argument. my argument is that after conflicts, they're often large flows of populations. if you look at the world after world war 2 is filled with raf, what we see that with your screen right shortly. we see refugees all over the world and the, the worst place for these people is in refugee camps. it's especially the worst place when they lived their generation after generation. the fact is that resettlement in viable economies in the region would make a lot of sense. but for the fact arab governments don't want to take the palestinians, and this is another consequences, a terrible decision to weaponized, the palestinian refugees in egypt. they are concerned that boss, which is a subsidiary. the muslim brotherhood would simply be a greater threat. the age of majority and government feels the same way. so there's, there's a lot of work that needs to be done here. i don't deny it, but i tell you re settling people in guys after this conflict is just going to be in the conflict is going to happen again. the palestinian authority is not an

alternative. back in the 2007 elections, i think it was in guys. people were surprised that on the last one and, and, and many said, well, you know, it's actually not because they favored terrorism. they simply will not tolerate the dysfunctional corrupt palestinian authority. taking control and from us looked like an alternative. let's face it, not much of an alternative. i think i think that guys is different from the west bank. i think the westbank is amenable to different solutions. but for guys, which is a large refugee camp, that is not a solution that is the best future for the palestinian people. let me ask you about what's going on inside america. are you surprised by, you know, the, the, you know, this growing groundswell of criticism of israel's actions after there are mazda attacks and us complicity and support in, in that response? yes, i am very surprised added i, i think it's a potentially

a more willing to politically for joe. but, you know, in the last 50 years the 2 parties completely reversed themselves. it used to be the democrats, very pro israel republicans, not often because of anti semitism. let's be honest about it within the republican party. now because of the shifting views of the evangelical christians, who are more strongly supportive of israel and some of the jewish community, republican party is close to unanimous and supporting israel. the democrats, i think, look, split the anti semite dental. yeah. and the public. yeah, that is amazing. like, but the democrats are split down the middle, and i think this is a really serious problem for joe biden. in 2024. there are a lot of people who don't see this conflict way you do, and they, they don't see. the kind of pro is real stance in the same way. they may support palestinians see decades of injustice. see it differently. some of these people are being canceled or fired, etc. i know you've always been a proponent of fair and open discourse in debate. how do you feel about the criticism of those who do stand up for the palestinian side and this and then not?

i'm off but but palestinian citizens, who even from whether it's david betray us for cards and stuff molten rather saying hey, there has to be a political horizon for these people. yeah. well look i, i think you can take that position and not the anti semitic. and i think perhaps it's because many people in america are so surprised that the extent of the support for palestinians. but i do, i do think there's a deal of an eye semitism in the united states and i think we're, we're seeing it now a former us national security advisor, john bolton, i really appreciate you coming on their show and sharing your candid views. thank you so much. thanks for having. and now we turn to thoroughly width and the former executive director of human rights watch in the middle east and north africa and currently the executive director of democracy for the arab world. now, sir, it's very nice of you to join us today. this is a very sobering, disturbing subject on many levels. let me just start out. if you are advising the bite in ministration today, what would be

a few of the key steps you would put in place in response to this crisis? so very basically, we think it's important that the united states starts to enforce its own laws and rules with respect to weapons transfers to israel. and i think even a minimal application would require a suspension of weapons. if we are to be in compliance with us laws, 2nd, the us needs to support a ceasefire. we have seen in the over 40 days that the united states has slowly permitted this war to continue by blocking the basic, even pause resolutions until very, very late in the game. right. uh, that, uh, no military advantage has come a bit. really. all we have is an unbelievable level of death and destruction, but by some calculations over 75 percent of the casualties or civilians right over the vast majority of those are women and children. if we had pushed for

a ceasefire from the very beginning, if we had stop blocking a ceasefire, we might not see the carnage that we're seeing today. we're medium term and long term, just to conclude, the thought. we need to support international peacekeeping forces in gaza and we need to commit internationally to the reconstruction of gaza so that we do not permit is we'll to achieve its goal of the populating asa to ensure that the people of garza can return to their homes. and what is now being called north garza and a to not allow the work from the force displacement to be fulfilled. what, how do you get to some place where people feel they can live with dignity? they can live without autonomy, they can have rights and justice on. how do we get there as well? i mean, those are 2 very different questions. i think the 1st is about the force displacement

of palestinians, including some is really plans to relocate to people of gaza to egypt, for example. um and some of the talking points that i'm seeing floated around there is that this is for their own protection. this is for their own security. no, it's not for their protection and it's not for their security. it is to fulfill israel's long held a desire to be popularly garza and the united states in the international community should not facilitate that it should not facilitate creating a permanent buffer zone of, of gauze territory. nor should it agree to cramming palestinians, and so called self concept of permanently, and certainly should not agree to a forcing palestinians to go to egypt and to try to re settled them there. if the people of gods or need urgent medical care. israel is responsible for providing them that military care why doesn't is, will open up its own borders and boundaries if it wants to people of gaza. a to

flee from is really bombs and bombard with egypt should not have to show that burden and find itself complicit. in these work crimes asked for a lower term solution. i think that for the last 30 years via the oslo accords, the international community has been stuck in a still an expired framework that demands some kind of a negotiated solution between 2 blocks. one block being the palestinian people and one block being these really people. and only after that negotiated solution can palestinians hope to enjoy basic human rights equality and freedom. that's a failed approach. and the right approach is to say that in fact, the 1st thing that needs to happen is that is we'll needs to respect the basic human rights of all of the people under its sovereignty. and all the people under its sovereignty do indeed extend from the river to the sea to it needs to ensure the end of occupation on the end of

a part tied up from where from bridge position the people under is really sarvard. she can vote democratically, maybe some palestinians choose one answer. maybe some israelis choose a different answer. however, it is that should that answer of how that territory should be configured must be a democratic process. and nobody can impose that on the people against their will. but that's a basic tenet of democracy. so let me ask you about the human beings in this, in this equation right now in the hostage swap for prisoners. we're seeing a lot of the pictures, at least i am of the hostages that have been released and come back and is real. in many cases, very moving families, the people, the stories behind them. i'm interested to also know about the prisoners who've been held in to the degree that you know, and that you can share your perspective because some americans have said, those are criminals in is really prisons. i'd like to kind of have

a deeper understanding of the palestinians that are being released in this swap, as well as you know, aside from their names, there's very little information that is coming out about these prisoners. i guess so far, only women and children who have been released and it is for been in israel for palestinians to celebrate the release of their loved ones for these prisoners to talk about their imprisonment. uh, and to describe uh what, what they've endured in detention. i think it's very important for, for viewers to understand that though these people are cold prisoners, many of them are not lawfully imprisoned. they've never had a trial. they've never had evidence presented against them. they've never been able to challenge their detention in their imprisonment because they are subject to military rules that allow for what is real calls it administrative detention. that means that i as

a state can imprison you on the basis of secret evidence that i don't tell you what that secret evidence is without bringing you before a judge and renew that detention and that imprisonment indefinitely in perpetuity. so many of the people who are now released from is really captivity, have never been lawfully imprisoned. they have never been found guilty of any crime . so to call them criminals is really, really jumping ahead of the evidence. and we know that there are thousands of palestinians, including women, including children who are imprisoned in this cost. a ask, unbelievable system of imprisoning people on secret evidence indefinitely. but a lot of people look at the as rarely gaza crisis as a function of proxy battles of other players. and i guess the question they have is how much of this is that's a mistake and blind spot. this is really about palestinian. just as nati ron, not

a pro you. if i want to know how you look at it. um, i think it's an insult to palestinians to say that they are merely proxy agents. that'd be wrong. the wrong maybe choosing to support some of our groups in the middle east, just as other parties in the region. very unfortunately, very sadly, support other arm groups in the region. just the way the united states was supporting arm groups in syria, just the way that other countries have, unfortunately, been supporting arm groups and terrorist attacks inside the wrong. unfortunately, i don't think anyone is innocent of that. but let's not confuse that with the grievances that opened up people to receiving weapons. for example, uh that that give them something to fight for. let's just recognize from that palestinians and guys in particular have been living under an unbelievable siege.

but since 2006, the near complete closure of the territory that has stifled and strangled the 2000000 people, they're cutting them off from the rest of the world, limiting even their caloric intake, subjecting them to regular patterns of bombardment. i think the fact of the matter is that if it was in the wrong, somebody else would find a way to support these grievances. the palestinians have an exploit them. of course, maybe for nefarious ends or not. but that doesn't take away from the fundamental grievance. ask for the larger geopolitical consequences of what's happening since october 7. i think it has exposed really the complete failure of the bible ministration strategy and approach to the middle east. one that was predicated on pursuing so called stability up by a lining an apartheid state. apartheid as well with various petro dollar dictatorships in the region,

and thinking that they could bypass the palestinian entirely the post indian problem entirely. so by building these little duct tutorial alliances in the region, i think that has been exploded as a strategy for stability. you will not have stability so long as you have this sort of extreme oppression and subjugation. the natural human instinct is to resist and the flight back um and you will not be able to ignore the occupation of palestinians and bypass resolving that conflict as a pass to middle east stability and security. i hope that the by and ministration has woken up to that reality. and i hope that the arab states signed the abraham courts of thinking that they too could profit and benefit from bypassing palestinians by getting little payoffs from the united states. i hope they to rethink that and rethink the dangers to their own stability for being seen so closely aligned to israel in the face of this mass of slaughter of civilians there

. but that remains to be c fairly with the executive director of dawn and former executive director of human rights watch in the middle east and north africa. thanks so much for your kendra and joining us today. thank you for having me. so what's the bottom line? i feel ambassador bolton is wrong, and ideas like resettling palestinians elsewhere which amounts to a continuation of the ethnic removal of palestinians from the occupied territories . someone call this ethnic cleansing a war crime, but he is correct when he says that any resolution of the palestinian question is really hard to achieve. whether it's a one state system that's blind to religion, and that's necessary or to separate states or any plan that really offers dignity and on top of me for palestinians. that's why there's a war under way. and the dereliction of responsibility of world powers on this problem has led to this global, horrible conflict in which so many are dying. it's hard to listen to views that we

disagree with. but we do have to hear the spectrum of debate as it really is in washington today, not what we would wish it to be. and that's the bottom line, the the latest news as it breaks many of the people here celebrating, but they say that their celebrations are sorry. we don't say the number of go too often kill god with detailed coverage by a release of those. the health comes to the little side of his riley's, i've been following every sense of this thing and fearless gen and isn't. most children will survive, talk to deal with the pain and trauma of losing their parents or loved one or from the shackles of present to us here as well. and tearfully,

dora infested his brother is among those who were release of this 3rd day of the ceasefire. all that i've shown was 15. the sisters say sentence to 5 years on full screen. but part of a cease fire deep brokered by world powers many believe that if it weren't for from us, they wouldn't have seen freedom. so some bags of prisoners should have free to monday out their release directly to the buyer in gaza. but there are indications that maybe the ceasefire could be extended and that could be more policing in teenagers and women finding the freedom again. it's the world slow down. we stand for as homes with fits of global nichols reserves. indonesia is points to leave the global battery industry. we definitely

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