fall extremely unfortunate, but there are no quick wins and events or research hard hitting interviews. do you feel like america is the best thing to do since these days, or is it just a different full? i think the democracy in the process basically entities do you feel that the fraction is already starting the g 7 in the us on one side showing that and the brakes on the other? i think there is a huge piece of that to happen via the story on talk to how does era is really on a has been expanding its attacks in central and southern gaza any 2 months into this conflict. the us as use some of its strongest language to date, warning as well to protect civilians which is how long come this won't go on for? what would a victory look like? this is inside story, the

hello there and welcome to the program. i'm nora. kyle is wells minute tree has resumed its full scale attack on the gauze of strep, launching strikes on hospitals and crowded residential areas. nearly 16000 palestinians of now being killed since early october. not vega is rising by the hour. the limited number of a trunk ceiling into the strip and nowhere near enough to meet the needs of millions of desperate people. and often nearly 2 months of wool, israel's biggest ally appears to be change. it gets tone, i'm warning against civilian deaths and awesome us actually a defense lloyd austin says as well, risks, a strategic defense. if it doesn't do more to protect civilians, it's a sentiment being shared by all the senior us officials. so what's behind this? some warning from washington put that to our guest and just a moment 1st, this report from sent to them. want to have a clear with wanting to israel from

it's most important to highlight us defense x the lloyd austin made this concerns clear. it is real. doesn't do more to prevent civilian desks and gaza. it's more is doomed to fail in the long run. you see this kind of a fight. the center of gravity is the civilian population. and if you drive them into the arms of the enemy, you replace a technical victory with a strategic a fee. so i have repeatedly made clear to israel's leaders that protecting palestinian civilians and guys like is both or moral responsibility and a strategic impaired just days earlier, the us extra estate also ers israel to adjusted strategy more than 15000 palestinians have been killed by israeli forces and gaza and shortages of the central supplies are making life. they're nearly impossible. i made clear that after it was imperative that is real put in place. we are protections for civilians

understanding and measuring the systems going forward. while israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu, as admitted as force, has failed to minimize civilian deaths, he placed the blame on him off. israel accuses the arm group of placing its military assets and civilian buildings going without providing much evidence from us. wants to kill as many as well as, as possible and has no regard whatsoever to publish city and lives as every day they perpetrate. a double walk like targeting our civilians while hiding behind their civilians and bedding themselves in the civilian population and using them as human shields. israel's bombing campaign has reduced entire neighborhoods to rubble and displaced hundreds of thousands of palestinians . many in the international community, including the un secretary general of calls on israel to rethink it strategy and do

more to protect civilians. now with the u. s. is closest out like joining the chorus. it's not clear yet. israel will change its tactics. vince and mulligan for inside story the well let's bring it all guess now and, and romano bush or kelly the policy lead and the occupied palestinian territory. and israel at oaks firm in brussels, elijah might be a military and political analyst. and, and kyra who's saying, how are you a former assistant farm minister of egypt? welcome to all of you, elijah mcmahon. these are some of the strongest or be strongest mornings for israel protect civilians that we've heard publicly from the us. why are we hearing them now? i think it's very interesting to hear that the americans all taking some distance of what is right is committing as barden

a thing is the national laws and obvious crimes against humanity and will crimes into something they are so heavy is read to the american affections, saying that these are reduced cannot continue getting civilians and they have to be care for. how long does that so that is 1st of all and the knowledge meant that is right. it is indeed fitting civilians. and the result of the page we have 16000 people dealt with the 70 to 80 percent all civilians. secondly, is why the americans all sang it and if that a so some purposes now is not to any purpose because these are really continual efforts. this is going to put them there to the ministry operations. it is not obviously because yes, and they was the most intensive bombardments on guns and what is to find the

toughest and to my view, the find, the purpose is more also the presidential us campaigns because there is no strict position that the americas is taking to the is really that they have to stop there . oh, sure drug and womans because this is the only factor to victory that they have achieved . so ha, how are they? a former, i'm boss of the, i'm from no time in the egyptian foreign ministry. you've got experience of the diplomatic machinery between the us and israel. how far do you think israel is likely to hear these done a warnings from the us? and i'll check my them. uh, let me express my my, my so the, the t with the processing and the resistance and what the processing and keep are in the gaza strip. and my thoughts and the thoughts of many issues change,

the majority of restrictions. go out for the heat more than 16000, but i seen yet as who died to have died under the is what i hear the bombard. having said so i guess in the not far distant future, these are the you will come in a would have to listen, would have to hear the messages for late, this message is coming out. the 1st one there on the parts of you uh, united states presidential biden or the secretary of state. uh tony, blinking or late the gentleman fluids. austin the uh, percentage of defense. i guess the message is coming out of washington loud and clear. we are the one step, one step away from the american administration, quoting for the sci fi,

when we now the, the, the, they, the, the question is not to whether it was good for the sci fi. but the question is, uh, probably what it would do. so my person to speak on the, on the positions of the senior american officials, is that eh, we could in the next few weeks hear the words east fire coming out of washington. okay. the, the eliza back hold on that one point to the do you agree that with one step away from the us cooling for a cease 5 because that certainly not on the table in a moment. yes. we all based pharmacies, 5 because these really haven't achieved any of the objectives. this is why i called sol, solved these reeves facing a dr. good fee because they claim they have to buy 40 percent. also got

a wage off of it is an open at agriculture to re secondly, we've seen how the senior resistance are inflicting heavy thought. indeed, on these retail complexion full to and said, we've seen every single day. they put a senior resistant, capable of bombing the forensic days and the years including diabetes. and that happened this morning. and also we have seen how the release of the cost is happens in the hall of the law. so the guy where the police, seeing that resistance is not yet in direct contact on daily basis with these readings because these are, it is all too afraid to be in combat in this area. i guess the, for the senior resistance. so a cheap, according for sci fi, i know we are so far away because that me adult or the feed for being,

i mean that the now for his life when the government will trust and to also and a resignation. and if he does an inmate all those guys out into a 15 years, and then he will go directly to j, as in the advantage of that, then you out to continue. this will be x for the all differences with the americans, because the americans understand the best way to expose the weakness of what used to be called the strongest all me in the city. and it turns out that the bus opened, as daniel resistance confronting this, a tremendous army that is capable bombarding, has a tremendous fight a pilot, but is afraid to confront it, but a senior resistance on the wrong. busy okay, i'd like to get back to the stage of the battlefield and just a moment before we get to the so booked down in that i want to bring in bushera because we need to get some of a clear picture of what we actually pull king about when the us is wanting to

protect civilians, how much civilians need these kind of warnings for israel to do more bushera succesful, i broke down on friday. we've seen some of the most intense fighting in goals and strikes on the south. can you bring this up to speed but what the people, the a software i was having to put up with i 1st want to talk about the sense of safety that has been completely eroded, mainly in children. because children form part of how hope gauze as population and, and, and this sense of safety 0 did. because of course, it's already eroded from, you know, 6 previous military escalations living under brutal c is really, you know, illegal seeds collectively punishing, you know, an entire population for over 16 years. but it's even more eroded because now

they have been displaced once twice. we know of colleagues who a bit to, to this place up to 6 times in the last 8 weeks and, and uh, i have my own in laws that are involved. and right now, the worry is not just spending hours to find water spending hours to find food and trying to, you know, adapt to this new way of life with no electricity and no washing machines and no ovens and no gas stoves. i know, you know, eh, garza is, you know, is not, is not, was not the middle ages. uh, before the 7th of october, it was yes, very poor and people are definitely dependent on aid. but people who are not, you know, making bread and over would fires and heating water over what fires. so, you know, on top of adapting to this new way of life, people are having to worry about when is my turn to leave again and,

and even my nephews are talking about mom. can you make us a backpack with our stuff on our own? because we never know what happened, something might happen to you and i don't want you to have my things with you, you know, and he's 7 years old. so that is the, the, the, the maturity that we're forcing children into and gaza. and with these multiple evacuation orders within where safe to go, and with the completely collapsed um wash system, no electricity and no comm lines. uh, i think that's the mental health aspect. beyond being hungry and thirsty is also something that now is beginning to show with people just really losing health and bush where people are being told by these right ability to move further and further south. there's 1800000 people in the south already. so many of them displaced from the north. they've moved to 3 full times already. moving further south towards rafa

tools, the crossing tools, the for the with egypt was exists in that area. full the what infrastructure, what shelter, what food, what morsa as well we're talking about 60 percent of the entire gaza strip. um uh, being bombarded what we've seen over the last 4 days. we're talking about carpet bombing of the entire neighborhoods. we already have reports back a wash and restructure being completely damaged, a shelters having been struck over the weekend as well, both in the north and in the south and a non operational health sector. i mean, we cannot say that the current hospitals that are in the south that are partially operating our operating health system. it's not a squeezing people into a place that's a be basically as big as london heathrow airport. we're talking about 1800000 people in an airport just so that i can kind of pete the picture to people who don't really understand how small the size it's already over populated. it's

actually in humane and actually not only makes it impossible to, to deliver aid to 1800000 people in one place. it's much actually easier when you have salters all around and different distribution points because you relieve the pressure off one. but if you increase the, the, the risk of disease that which we're already saying was already report to call her, i guess for him to write us is spread like wildfire and dogs are right now people are, have been sick for the last month. my family has been sick and are not getting better because the additions are not allowing for them to get better and squeezing people into into that. basically, it does not absolve israel of its duties and obligation under international actually. in fact, it is, it could amount to serious violation of serious re breach. i'm going to monitor and law forcing people into a small affairs. and also historically,

just want to add one point in historically, these kind of safer spaces or safe zones or, you know, humanitarian areas as they've been done in the last couple of weeks, actually have brought more harm onto a civilian population, but actually meeting that needs. so it's, it is extremely concerning on her side and as you see people being pushed closer and closer to rougher to this stuff and positive goals. so which folders, egypt, what is the conversation in cairo? as you see this movement of people? of course, here in egypt that is new have certainty. then one of the objectives of the use of a even minutes. it can be in or aggression again, is that is to push the palestinians to door to sign i, me, and on the other 10 the same is taking place in the west bank in light

of the uh, harassment by the secular. this again is the biggest thing is every way to endorse back to the extent that they have been a issuing block, that's let's warning the palestinians that the 2nd mega is on the way. and so he to asian feet in egypt. the majority believe that this is the next move on the part of days i use that all thermal effect of, of this war again is the palestinians in gaza. and the west bank is supposed to the palestinians towards sinai eh, from gaza. and the, what the interest in government with apple thoughts are all se, se, ever except that, you know, uh, of course, uh for the last to 8 weeks. a ship that has, has, has, it, has been endorsed, was the american administration and warning against the force

displacement of the seniors and the american administration has adopted and has supported the is accept position and, and, and we keep privy egypt and government to keep saying keep repeating, it's warning that it was upset. the force, especially the displacement of the 1st thing is uh towards sign that reports to slides. or let me just bring you in the because it does seem that we're getting warnings from all sides as well. not to act in some ways, but as well doesn't seem to paying any attention what leverage can be brought to as well either from egypt or the us. busy or any of the other countries that are currently giving it a green light us this is a very excellent questions. actually. all the countries are doing virtually nothing to support the state in

a box from talking and rejecting what's happening and is right. it understands that there is no weight from the countries who have a lot of strains for and leverage cost to play against is right and against the americans to full to cease fire. to open a boulder, all the countries were not able to great true egypt. the ra grossi was saying, the try, without the approval of these really well, tom, 2 shots and counting how many truck was in the trucks and where these trucks can go and to hold. so we have seen the positions of the countries extremely, we to the point and that there is no cut off to the relationship with age when we already have seen the report and some boxes that these really understand that the, the name and the whole,

all these backs of those were down to that functions. we actually need to stream the shot. and yet let's let her saying i have a chance to respond to that. so what's your response to elijah's comments that our country is a doing nothing. in particular, why cons? egypt opened and control the rough across thing itself. what do we do except sides under crossing eh. busy and pete, it's a, it's a, it's a b, we are flying our sovereignty on the outside crossing the ships outside of the crossing because they're not crossing has 2 sides opinion and the issue on why. so why, why this raise as so much in charge of them? you know, when the, the, the, the is a, is the do 6 in order to prevent, of course, this is an excuse to prevent the smuggling of weapons inside. gotcha. but the

things are going with the checks at this point in time given how much they slow up the amounts of 8. that is which and goals are they've had from bushera. people desperately need more a to gets in. but it is. these is writing the checks, then stopping, not the best, that's fine. that's right. not a man. and that's why it be in an hour, uh, diplomatic conversation with the american administration. we keep insisting, we keep assisting on the absolute need to increase any money, any assistance to, to that, to, to gas up. and in fact, that the americans and the americans have a positivity, responded to our request. and they have promised before the, of course, the exemption also send it is in guys that uh they promised, uh, or they talked about no, not less than $100.00 would. uh, and their,

uh, their f i had crossing good on a daily basis. so our, our diplomatic concept, so with the american administration, is continuing. and of course, as we, as we have witnessed in the last few days, the american position visa either or one situation and it does the same, is imposing. and we have noticed that it's, it's evolving of, by very slowly evolving. if i may use the stir in the direction that we would like to see to do, okay. so let's just bring the bush or back into this conversation. so again, bring as discussion to events on the ground and you can have from who's saying and the reality is that the tune towards the war towards israel is evolving, but it's involving slowly in the homes of old, slightly kind of there is no time full and the evaluation and the type of promises of trucks. what needs to happen now?

i mean, the child said that we are at the brink of academics that might kill more people than mom's house. so, you know, and it's not just about the trucks and the trucks, you know, is a small, me, it's a need, but it's about the crossings in israel being open, it's about restoring water. it's about restoring electricity from israel into the strip and bringing in tax of aid and some power and some water and some blankets is not enough and does not meet the current needs. and the we're talking about i, i said, is 60 percent of guys a being a part interval with you about almost $10000.00 bodies under the rubble. who are, you know, what about, you know, bringing those relatives and family members. and fathers and mothers, roads are completely damaged even in terms of delivering the new truck is, is, is

a challenge inside. we're also having checks inside the, by the arm troops. so, you know, they were in, in there's a principle of unfettered humanitarian access and international law. all of these are feathered, to our access as humanitarians, but not even allow it in to carry out assessments. it to carry out repairs. there's a lot of materials that are not allowed in very simple materials like the seats of a wash latrines we're trying to get in. that's not that's been restricted. so it we have the optical and it's much as low. it's not enough. and really it's, it's, it's like i said eroding that sense of health and safety and nonsense and the long term impact of that is also something that we should be considering. you know. so bring back allies at this point because i want to get back to what the us action state load. austin said. he said that the left is where

a risks strategic to feed if it doesn't protect civilians more. what does strategic defeat look like in my mind? it is already a strategic receipts above all for the seeing of resistance being got that manage to stop the old. my thing is really occupation full service at the gates of guys and then sort of a tiny geographic area. and at the end of the day, it's not bad that they are on north interfering because it seems that the for the seniors can manage on their own to change needs variety. all me. this is already something that the americans off for the oh well because they think they include had they understand that these really in 50 days the no ma'am. as to all to buy and control because they need to control it. 20 percent of the reservation area of northern guys that that is

a strategic dc. that's visual and has lost a image and the whole world. and it shows how when you have determined people to stand against the occupation pool says no matter how old are they, all became has magic image in there as well. i guess the children and the women, but not against the man of the senior resist. okay, i'm also the holiday. i read a do you believe that as well have already suffered a strategic that the faithful is the time for a turnaround? well, i guess after almost almost 8 weeks of the cost and to bombardment. uh, it was the exception of the 7 day pause. the end of the last $58.00. they haven't the, is that a ottoman army has for you to achieve the objectives. that

is really nice or these are the prime minister. had announced on october 7th. and he keeps repeating them, namely the destruction of thomas the release of the hostages. and to make sure that the gods as they would would impose today to evaluate is security nothing, nothing. a piece of directives has been the allies so far. and so the site is in a dilemma, and uh they can not speak off of achieving ministry, the $3.00 to $8.00 weeks of a non stop bombardment and a be that thanks entering and get some major assistance in the guys as that. so of course is the customer needed assistance, but the thing is, this, this is showing determination. i'm sure we have to leave our discussion today

who say and how does the apologies for interrupting your final on so the, but we definitely understood your point. many things to overall guess. bush right. kelly, the elijah mike now and who's a high rating and thank you to for watching it and see the program again. any time by visiting our website this i'll just share adult calm file discussion to visual a facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a inside story. you want to join the conversation on x on handle is a j inside story from me, laura kyle and the whole team here is by for that the on counting the costs as well as warrant garza has wiped out of time neighborhoods

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