have the responsibility for the bombing of a gymnasium in morales city, security virtual say they're still looking into all possible angles with detailed coverage. the people here along the border receive virtually no assistance from the federal government of united states from around the world. this is aging childrens hospital. we're so they've been receiving more than 9000 pages every day for us to expand their capacity, a number of days. an impending humanitarian catastrophes of palestinians and gowns in the woods of un secretary general. antonia gutierrez, he's in both really use palace to direct the security council to take action. but we will move have any impact on as riled the us. so as other wisdom allies, this is inside story, the

hello and welcome to the program on top of the crime in the 2 months as well as war on goes off to him off as a tack on his territory. his cools the catastrophe for the 2300000 palestinians living their traps being massacred and maimed by relentless foaming. and the total blockade by one of the most powerful is in the world backed and by the us and western allies, as well as on slowed, has killed mostly children and women. it's fall ride government includes ministers who have advocated the genocide of palestinians in the habit educated defense minister who calls than human animals those and gaza, who survive as well as western bombs and missiles faced the risk of death from disease and style vacation. and as the world once is gone, so it is being transformed into a how long this? so what hope is there for a cease 5, the quoted amount of you in secretary general, antonio gutierrez, and does the card? will the order need to change to stop the slaughter of innocent palestinians?

we'll be discussing this and more without guest and just a few moments. but 1st, this report from katia looked as hold of young. y gutierrez has taken the action he has this week, and was it mike made? violence must be condemned. it's extremely rare for us the secretary general to apply article 99. but the u. n. chief antonio gutierrez has invoked it there by directing the un security council to address the war in gaza. inaction he warns, will deep in the crisis and lead to reversible consequences from possible epithets to the widespread displacement of palestinians in neighboring countries. 2 months into israel's world calls on nothing has been spared. at least 17000 palestinians have been killed, more than 7000 of them children. and without a ceasefire, many more deaths will follow some post city and say,

despite surviving airstrikes they already feel that the other out of nowhere like just to everything full and i heads. if you asked me this level of destruction and death of the one in the same life is not just about eating, drinking and sleeping, you must be able to feel secure and a piece. i mean, i have had the, i mean, lack of food medicine and fuel is making and already dial humanitarian crisis worse . leading hundreds of thousands more desperate. and that risk, the un says the delivery of 8 into guns that is nowhere near enough to rhetoric. it's on dependable, and frankly, it's not sustainable. is really leaders have called on the you one chief to step down by invoking article 99. they say the u. n is showing it's biased and helping come up. but in gaza, the short lived ceasefire is now a distant memory for more than 2000000 civilians. survival has become

a way of life. 7 katia look to so the young for insights story, the article $99.00. it hasn't been used for decades. so what does it do is it allows that you ins tom diplomat to speak when he believes the situation threatens international peace and security. it was last use back in 1989 when the vin, the secretary general, called for a c spot to stop living on civil war. was also invited to 1979 to cold, around to release $52.00 american hostages. with you in chief has the power to invoke the article, but doesn't have voting rights on the council that still falls on the 15 countries that make up the security council. 5 of the permanent members with a visa or a palace, the spring in august. now in denver, colorado is michael lee on gold. dick, who is the editor in chief of you in dispatch. a platform which provides coverage

on you end related issues in dublin is jennifer cassidy. electra and diplomacy and international law at the university of aux would, as well as a form of diplomat latasha to orleans permanent mission to the united nations and in london. is chris gotten us a full minute spokesman for over with the you ins release agency for palestinian refugees? he's also a founder of the me and my accountability project, which is the humanitarian organization. i will welcome to little 3 of you. thank you very much for joining us on inside stir story festival knock. if i can begin with you, can you just explain how significant this move is from gutierrez? does it actually mean anything or. ringback or is it largely symbolic? so it's institutionally significant because this is only the 6th time since 1945 that a secretary general has invoked article $99.00. and it has meaning to the extent that it compels the security council to hold

a meeting on the issue to which the secretary general wants to direct their attention. but beyond that, it's hard to measure the impact of this specific meeting because the kind of broader geo political dynamics that we're seeing at the security council towards the israel and palestine crisis really haven't moved all that much since the last time the security council met on this issue, which was november 15th jennifer festival. just how powerful is this move from gutierrez and, ah, there were any potential risks in doing this to him could potentially back 5. do you think ro, at, as noted previously, this is the most powerful tool dash the sexy general has in his diplomatic toolbox, if you will. it is the only thing that can, to allow him to make a stand, to speak up for the crisis. unfortunately, as, as was noted, he cannot have

a vote on the security guys or i, he cannot remove the visual and that is the crime we blockage to the if no diesel brockridge at the moment to do an calling for a current in tea fire that has the visual all the us now regarding could be fax right around him. no, i'm not, not to the extent of the critique he'd already received. he's already being told that by israel after this they, they said that the general had reached gross and new moral. uh no, i think that he was citing with them. i know they've been saying this since the 1st moment that he spoke up against this humanitarian crisis. so in the jar, he acknowledged to be overwhelming. a number of un states are in support of a permanency spar are in support of this, a charger being a invoke. so no, the only critical criticism and critique you have is oper, station rigor,

israel after my when. so i don't think you can backfire regarding the position he's in them. yeah. and, and as we mentioned in the introduction, he's basically said that there was an impinging humanitarian catastrophe. but uh, chris people in gauze, i have been saying that especially with an under what had been saying that set for weeks if not for more than a month now. so why do you think gutierrez's triggered article, $99.00? most of the reasons, i think, 1st of all, he realizes that the situation on the grounds has reached an unimaginable stage of mister every hour. that this conflict goes on. the wind, the chunks of a wide, a piece of being brought to them at least receives a st with every of the cost is or the goal. so let's not forget for a 130 staff members have been run, have been killed. i'd like to say that mr. gutierrez withdrew the counselors attention to that effect and highlight the fact that news news,

single conflict of the you. it looks so many of the workers, but i think will. so he's just concerned that this guy's ignited a wider conflagration. and he's pretty much said, so you have a situation which as you said, your instruction is really minutes as the prime minister himself is cool. so i'm a physical genocide against the positive. you just go, it's really ministers cooling for a new component to be dropped on god's, which at least i guess confirms of israel does have a need play a ball which exposes by the way, some of the hypocrisy that apparently is that case. the one of the most far right, so it's a racist religious organizations, governments in the middle east to have a nuclear bomb. and you have this great concern about to run even developing robins . so i think, you know, at a time when a 150000 is about a little heads up pointing stuff to the cities of high and tennessee, but of time when the unwelcome is where the bullet is booming off at a time when you go to the increased american military presence, of course,

the number one to come out of the world is extremely concerned. the tinderbox is very dry and released the mirror sparks flying around the boulders. uh yeah. and a mike. i know that you've got you. what is of the ground uh, the united nations? can you just give us a sense of what's been the reaction since the invoked article 99? so the really only player that matters at this moment at the security council is what's gonna happen with the united states. and the, the last time that the security council net on this issue was not until november 15th, and then the united states of stained rather than vito a resolution that at the time called for more limited humanitarian pauses. now the united states is still reluctant to endorse a full throated ceasefire. they say that they want to work directly with israel behind the scenes to get them to ease up on the targeting of civilian areas.

and also let more humanitarian aid in. and you know, this far the united states still seems committed to that approach. the security council will only go so far on this issue as the united states, less it. and right now, it does not seem that the united states is willing to endorse a ceasefire. jennifer, the draft resolution that's been put forward by the u. y a that's cooling for a ceasefire. that's really the only crucial thing that that actually has to happen to anything to change, right? yes, exactly. so the only thing that makes a resolution delete the binding within the international spirit is for the un security canceled the powers. now that's not for to be passed by the 5 members and then to 10 non permanent members, it has to be and not be shared by any one of the 5. so for the 1st thing may be

binding, it has to pass. so we're at this moment i, unfortunately, i'm extremely peasant mistake dash, the last is going to, as you sit back on a live this path, i think the, the us is going to use the show. i was fishing into you and security council meetings during the time when the syrian war started. and there was, i was member vividly that there was in the 9th and that there was 4000 deaths in the syrian more when it started. and there was an article, gosh, i know, and of course we keep keep kept seemed to be showing now look at the numbers on was where we are still up with syria and we're, so i am extreme because a mistake are unfortunately, and regarding what the numbers we have now and what will continue on the future because of his power division, chris would as well even accept and abide by any resolution that was passed. do you think? well, it's not. i think what rodney said, the key we actually has to come for the us because that is the government,

which is bank rolling israel, who are, frankly, unless israel is a, that's the americans as a saw tilting meaningfully about cooling israel, to counts literally to account. i think carry on me, so let me see people like vitamin lincoln and other important you is, if you're not talking about these impulses of as well a binding, but it's commitments to international obligations on the international. none of that has worked out on the ground. if anything, do you see an increase, we sold the attack on the south way as well, toll civilians, it could go through. so you don't want to say that this is not gonna make any difference. and i mean, it's gonna make a bad difference. i should say, i think the council of law, it's fine, so increasingly irrelevant as it has done in previous complex. i mean, as much says, the important actually is the americans. what about the reactions of the billions of people in the global south, who? mr. gutierrez?

also represents a $190.00 plus member states of united nations. he's also the secretary general and i think it's going to be up to him to try and make the counsel more relevant. because if all the people of his panel fear is not going to see to the, to meaningful actions. i think there's a real credibility problem for the united nations that of deepest secuity. because make no mistake when we start to talk about the reconstruction of gaza. when we talk about the mind they've got the in the, to all the 2014 conference. i remember very well between 10 and 15 percent of all the folders that went in thousands of pieces. these varies with far into god's everyday tennis of 50 percent of that was exploded. but it's going to be the u. n. who's cooled above to do the movie called a book, the somebody said it would be time to speed security council to let the organization to kind of relevant because it best cynicism about the un and skepticism about new and on the ground that tossed the reconstruction and read

about it as a rule. this is good to be. oh, that's with to man. yeah. just picking up a one point that chris was saying to mark as we mentioned, julia gutierrez has the right to speak at this security council without having to be invited by them in the state, which is normally the case. it doesn't have the right to vote. obviously, but how important is it that his voice is actually heard? she isn't just very, very consistent on this issue. he said 3 things. he's condemned the most terrorist attacks. he's called for the release of hostages, and he's called for an immediate and enduring ceasefire. and he's joined in those calls by the vast majority of the united nations member states. his message will be directed mostly at the united states, which is the key fold out around the idea that we need a immediate ceasefire in israel and gaza. and you know, the chances of him persuading the americans on this issue are slight, but it is,

i think none the less important, institutionally. as chris noted, he is the secretary general of the entire un membership. and he is seeking to represent global interests here. and the chance of this conflict spreading regionally is, is high. we're one mistake miscalculation away from this, spreading to the israel's northern front. we're already seeing regular volleys of attacks between a ronnie and proxies in the united states, in, in syria, in iraq. and the gutierrez has this global view, and my sense is that he'll bring that level of you to the security council. and urge in the strongest terms that he possibly can for an immediate cease fire, if nothing else to lower the temperature in the region. and to save lives on the ground immediately. and obviously this, the reputation of the united nations to consider as well. i mean,

in the system the last year, 2 years will. so they've been many conflicts, notably the war and ukraine with, with russia. the the conflict and so done. they're going to cut back. jennifer, do you think the people are starting to lose faith in the union's ability to actually deal with these major major complex i. e. yes sir, um do you know i, it pains me every or a different color and former different march uh to to say that but um, regarding the, the major institutional body, the un general assembly, more speaking of the loss of credibility there and yes. so the branches like from now or do you need stuff and i do think around the world, students, students, academics, lawmakers, are, are looking at the u. n. a. and looking at will what kind of naturally do. but i think once you were hearing we're screen back around again to the issue, office security cancel. once you begin on painting why it actually is so stuck in

why i can't move at a much faster pace than we, we seen in order regional blocks in order multinational institutions. we find once again, we're back to the security kinds that we're back to the issue of the show. now having sat in the whole actually art in 6 directly beside israel. so i sat beside them for, for years. and every year, the heads of state speak and even the permanent members along the side, the other 190. all the countries will call in or has the state week and their speech and say that they need a change, a good security, cancel needs, altering year after year after year received no change and the security council continued to remain handled. so the credibility comes back at once again and a close work against the to the issue or security guys on. ready issue of the help can particular me, chris, i know you touch on this a little bit before, so i want to come to you again on this. do you think that the un at the security council as it stands now is as fit for purpose?

well no, i don't see the school john, so as jennifer will tell you, as a scholar reflects the states as well in 1940 but except goals, china is now public member became a public member, a 1971. but the fax is of the secretary general is a pretty good to be speaking to a bully, which doesn't reflect the states the world which gives pilots, but the u. k. a which is blindly supporting the us and you know, that lead part, the role that i would like to say that i think that the sex general has an opportunity or the have an opportunity to speak. but that's a cause which the well known. and so it's not that hard to say, 1st of all, we all know that it is a lie, but how much can be defeated at beth israel and the full time it must be a ceasefire. and us as my friends in golf or tell me the time for every single sports of the school that indeed the oldest civilians are killed. 102030 new

radicalized and brewed flies, members of the younger generation in gauze, all their, it's like, you know, off to the race you're going to rely. all right, and my concern is you're going to get the real how much most of the. so that's one life that needs to be, you know, dispensed with. i don't think some of the policies in the council needs to be shown into the hey, we have government. ready the u. k. and the us to, to about to monetary and conceptually you taste of contributions to upgrade 2021. how they are totally about support to the humanitarian cruise concerning the palestinian. yeah. you guys okay. cool. budget is coming down. so what we need to see is some truth testing and then is it just some very small? it's almost all the philosophy children in the bus. they used to call immeasurable it called christie. and what we need to see is some of these measurable report because these big display items, the general, if he speaks the truth, if he has the moral coverage to do that,

i think he can begin to redress as this whole question of showing the credibility of the security council moving forward mugs and pretty and honest criticism of the un uh and, and how it, how it's been overwriting recently is that message actually being heard within the rules of the united nations. so i think the world sees the security council's failure to act in israel and gaza, just as they saw the security council's failure to act in ukraine. and they assume that this is the total of the, of what the security council does, that it is paralyzed when a conflict directly involves a veto wielding member. and that's true, there's also it worth keeping in mind that there's a lot more that the security council does. and there are a number of issues on which there is indeed consensus at the security council. there are something like that doesn't un peacekeeping missions around the world that require annual renewal. and the security council inevitably comes together to

renew those peacekeeping missions, just like the one that is helping to keep the lid on conflict in southern lebanon and northern israel. the universal peacekeeping mission. similarly, just before the october 7th attacks the security council got together in a resolution to support a kenyan lead peacekeeping mission in haiti. and there are these kind of routine actions, routine work of the security council that really does contribute to peace and security. that i think often overlooked in conversations about crises in which a veto, wielding member of the security council has a direct stake. and when it comes to that, the security council is indeed paralyzed and we're seeing unfortunately, the consequences of that paralysis right now in palestine and also in the ukraine. and for many years in syria as well. jennifer,

what is actually going to put the brakes on israel and is it really up to the us, which we haven't seen actually put, you know, enough pressure on this route to stop killing civilians? what, what will, what will it take? do you think of? well, looking at side b, u n, which i fear, we're going to have to do that in order to not get to see fire, but a t t 0 that crack words put the brakes on a real proactive d at. to get the breakdown, we're going to have to stop the, the us sending our orange sending arms and sending sending firms and keeping up with the other. i know more diplomatic solution. i think we need to look at this from regional blocks folder multilateral institutions. 3, you need to speak all the way they did it with the invasion of ukraine. they need to start putting sanctions on israel. so putting sanctions in the us, i know we are in a cost of living prices old as mostly coals by the politics of job and speech and

or, and wished with india, european confident. however, you know what we are witnessing and what we're seeing on our screen, it cannot continue to the bricks. region approx, d, e a s, and the as the on the we need to perhaps work in more diplomatic regional block and start putting sanctions. and then using their own different model boy, chris, we could gutierrez sided this in and pending humanitarian catastrophe as he's described. i mean, if, if the bombing campaign, if this more by israel on the, on the people have gaza, if it doesn't stop what is going to happen? you know, the, somebody you learn to get a situation where 85 percent of the gods experience has been displaced. at least one, if not multiple times, you go to about 50 percent, no more. we simply don't know because we don't have access to the newest of the housing store in gone, so completely flat and also with the purchase. i mean,

depending on the beach, the goal is to be able to tell you it's getting pretty cold and it's close to rate . and i remember watching the story with all of a sudden we spoke about the child, but literally froze to death. died of hypothermia. you go to the outbreak of communicable diseases, both treat diarrhea, which is a mass killer. it's less of a truck. so expressible it. we're already in order to see this as a penalty to mount a terrible catastrophe. disease amount of terrace capacity. but i suppose a lot of the say the big picture is all of the above. the genesis said i fully enjoy everything she said. but i think the big picture that has to be read that say shes within as well. so let's be clear, but change will also predominantly how to come with it is when itself, when you go far right from the tissues, talk about dropping your bones and dosing biblical genocide. so clearly for a long way away from that same savings with an extra but i do think having said that, it's not me to say the mythology that was in it is well,

but since your patients sort of 67 is able to manage this complex build rules and pose the prostate system in the west bank and arrest the children in the middle of the not located garza, all of the mrs clinics. but it is will kind of manage the conflict as well. it would be the total it to the lease of $67.00 is all now has to be less. it has to resolve the conflict as well. depends on the palestinians full the secuity as we saw so tragically on the table and a public citizen so that we get the state from the as well. it's a terrible who can choose to have to realize it because we just, but it's those internal dynamics on the palestinian only is way to decide which are ultimately going to make the difference. like i think we're gonna have to leave it there. but we've really do appreciate your time and your insight, markley on goldberg, jennifer cassidy and chris. candice. thank you so much and uh, thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, l, just air dot com and prefer the discussion go through on facebook page. that's facebook dot com,

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